Big Pharma Panic As Vaccinated Children Keep Dying From Flu Across U.S.

Big Pharma in panic mode as vaccinated children across U.S. die from flu

Unprecedented numbers of children across America are dying from influenza after getting the flu shot, and Big Pharma are scrambling to cover-up the enormity of the scandal.

According to the CDC, this year’s flu has already killed 44,116 people, with the flu vaccine proving completely ineffective against this year’s particularly nasty H3N2 strain.

Via The Organic Prepper:

Not only does this influenza strain produce a more intense and deadly flu, the flu vaccine is less effective against it. This Centers for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) article discusses a study published in The Lancet spanning 11 years that demonstrates H3N2 is more resistant to the flu vaccine. … the flu vaccine demonstrates only a 33% vaccine effective (VE) rate with the average H3N2 strain… To make matters worse, this year’s flu vaccine isn’t even close to the average 33% VE rate of prior years. This year’s vaccine is performing at approximately a 10% VE rate.

Naturalnews.com reports: You mean to tell me the CDC already knows that this year’s vaccine is only 10% effective at protecting children from the influenza strains circulating in the wild? According to CBS News:

This year’s flu vaccine may only be 10% effective, experts warn… It is the same formulation that was used during Australia’s most recent flu season — which typically sets a pattern for what the U.S. will face — and it was only 10 percent effective there.

How many children who died from this year’s flu were vaccinated with the “10% effective” flu shot?

Note that the vaccine-pushing media isn’t reporting headlines such as, “Child who died from the flu was vaccinated with the flu shot.” No, that would be heresy to the vaccine dogmatists and propagandists who desperately push the false science that claims flu shots always work.

Even when flu shots don’t work, these propagandists still claim they sorta, kinda, almost work. CBS News dutifully demonstrates this pseudoscience delusion by restating the fictitious mantra of the flu propagandists: “Experts say that if you do get the flu, it will likely be less severe if you have gotten a flu shot.”

There is no evidence whatsoever to support such a claim, of course, but that doesn’t stop the media from repeating it — almost verbatim — in every news story that covers the repeated failures of the flu vaccine itself.

There is evidence, however, that mercury-laced flu shots are killing infants. A 4,250% increase in fetal deaths was documented following the mercury-laced flu vaccination sweep of 2009 – 2010. Furthermore, Natural News has irrefutably proven that flu shots still contain mercury, even though the vaccine industry deliberately lies and claims mercury has been removed from all vaccines given to children. That’s a deliberate lie.

Not only is it unbelievably sad that American children keep dying from a preventableinfection, but it’s downright criminal that the medical establishment and legacy media both refuse to tell parents how to save the lives of their children through low-cost nutrition.

  • nullifyNWO

    The NWO is real. Vaccines are deadly. Apache!

    • Djago

      The Jew World Order is definitely real.

      • Truth

        I love that hell is real and that everyone will be judged no matter they think.

        • Agnosticator

          Sounds like you’ve been there….

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      • Janet Faber

        You are a bigot and an anti-semite. I’m reporting you.

        • Alice

          Hi Janet. My comment will most likely be censored. I’m assuming your comment only made it because it was issued in anger. I feel your frustration with the accusation, but you have to understand the sheer volume of propaganda being put out there alleging, basically, that since Jewish people are very wealthy, and because there are some Jewish people in these and other industries, that the whole thing is a Machiavellian plot by Jewish people to undermine society. Honestly, I almost got swept up and convinced by it myself. I’ve been starting to realize that there definitely IS a “divide and conquer” agenda, and no doubt some Jewish people are part of it, but I’m sure there are also a lot of “gentile” people part of it too – but the crux of it is, in both mainstream and alternative news articles – all we’re seeing is fodder with which to hate another group. For one person, that group may wind up being Zionist groups. For another, it may wind up being immigrants. For another, Trump supporters. For another anti-vaccine advocates. Everyone is encouraged to hate another group. That’s the only common denominator here. Maybe it was always like this? but to me it seems like it’s fast devolving into chaos, and, I suspect, in an orchestrated fashion – by whom, I honestly don’t know, but I feel increasingly certain it’s not the “average” member of any group. I saw an article ran on here previously stating that Isreal is banning mandatory vaccinations. Clearly the wording was trying to imply that “oh, look at those Jews, banning it for themselves, but forcing it on us”; they didn’t state that – but it was all there. The irony is that, I read elsewhere that 95% of Israeli people vaccinate their kids. I no longer really follow Natural News after being censored on there TWICE. As much as they claim to be anti censorship for themselves *merely holding a moderate perspective, and encouraging people to be cooperative rather than divisive* or to look at the funding behind various political candidates, was ground for wholesale removing any comment. That website used to be one I actually partially considered as respectable. Part of me wonders if it has been “co-opted”, because lately it has gone on this crazy, vehement political tangent. I understand there is a place for passion, but something weird is going on here in that both sides seem to be pushing a “hate” agenda. And it seems like whoever is pulling the strings behind the scenes doesn’t care at all who that hate hits – just as long as the majority of the world is hating and NOT working together in a spirit of mutual respect. If you argue aggressively with people, on here or elsewhere, you’re just going to be promoting it more. And I think that goes for just about everyone commenting here and elsewhere.

          • Marie

            It is my theory that the NWO or the ptb -the powers that be – are orchestrating this whole thing. They are dividing everyone up. First it’s the Left and Right hating each other, then it’s the Black and White race who are divided, and recently now they are working on dividing the male and female genders. The women are not liking the men, and the men are afraid of the women and afraid to talk or touch them now. It’s done on purpose by a PLAN. They have removed God from the U.S. So now people have NO one to trust, no one to lean on, no God to lean on, and so guess what? The masses will only have the Government to lean on!!! It is all a plan. All done on purpose! Soon they will work on the children, to make them hate the parents or report the parents for something……..

          • Alice

            Yes Marie, I agree these attempts are being made, but also with them an attempt to instill hopelessness, pessimism, and fear. It is very true, they will attempt to divide people, and perhaps succeed with some. I personally feel the brighter parts of the gospel are intentionally downplayed in the churches, and there’s an unhealthy dogmatism over faith going on too, which leads many to believe they’ve fully examined and found the faith to be lacking, when in fact it’s simply been corrupted. My personal belief is one of a loving God; this God is good, and much more forgiving and empowering than portrayed in any texts, and one which empowers and cares for us greatly. Quite simply, there is nothing to fear, as insane of a perspective as this may be with all the chaos going around. This God is not going to abandon us, and, in my personal opinion, will redeem even the lost. All these machinations are just desperate efforts to quash what’s best in us, the cooperative, creative, small fragment of joy-spreading Godliness that we’ve been imbued with as children of this powerful force. These temporary efforts, even if they come to their full maleficent conclusion, in my opinion, are going to be ultimately irrelevant. There is nothing here that can’t be unbroken; of course, how much simpler and painless if we simply did not buy into what we know is false to begin with! Just a little bit of self discipline will go such a long way. Hate is easy, improvement is hard.

          • Marie

            Yes it is true. To instill hopelessness, pessimism and fear. You said it exactly like it is. With doing away with God people have NO one to turn to. Their faith is destroyed and they feel hopeless. They are then ready to be easily controlled. I can’t say it as well as you did, but i agree totally with what you said.

          • Alice

            Amen Marie. I think the worst of it is the return of dualism/gnosticism. This is a vile ideology, which ultimately leads to pantheism or belief in an “evil” Creator God from which we must escape. I find that attack to be worse than the other divisive attacks, because it aspires to attack the sole source of hope – salvation through our Loving Father. It is basically a return to the original sin. You wouldn’t believe what people believe out there – there are actually groups that believe a poisonous mushroom is the “way” to God and that Jesus was simply an allegory for a mushroom. Of course when people actually do these things – their fruit follows them. Without exception, they become arrogant, condescending, and convinced that we are on a “prison planet” and that when they die they must escape the “light”. There are also entire new websites out there promoting Satanism, with some permutations promoting gnostic rebellion of “Spirit” from the Creator (who of course is said to be evil, look at all the evil in the world – as though Satan himself could not be authoring the deception). Tellingly most of these theologies are entirely devoid of love, openness, cooperation – they bring ONLY fear, divisiveness, “hidden” knowledge, egotism, pride – the fruit of the Devil. One does not have to believe in a literal interpretation or even be a fundamentalist to clearly see it for what it is. And it’s everywhere. Some have added “alien” theories to this, with “good aliens” and “bad aliens.” I think it is the responsibility of every Christian person to speak out in the name of love, because the deception is deep. I personally feel it attacking me every day, each time from different aspects, each time whispering the lie “your Father does not Love you”, “you need to run from a lifestyle of goodness and love”, “it is foolish to obey” etc. etc. There is NOTHING foolish about being obedient to a p

          • Marie

            People are also drinking “raw” water….straight from a dirty stream cuz they believe it’s more natural. I think that all the vaccines, poison in the air, gmo foods, and frequencies affecting our mind is making people crazy like this. The worst thing is that people are now conditioned to believe that there is no God and no Jesus. The conditioning has been going on for at least the last 50 yrs and longer.

          • Alice

            Sorry, got cut off. To a perfectly loving Father. There IS a huge foolishness in being obedient to a corrupt worldly authority. I do not conflate the two. I deeply believe in the Holy Spirit. To embrace divisiveness and hate is simply to turn away from the Holy Spirit, when we in fact are to “turn away” from sin – the greatest being not loving one another, and not loving our Father, who will be found to be blameless and who will wipe every tear from our eye. People always refer to the Old Testament as though Yeshua somehow never spoke the gospel, never clearly rebuked murder and averice, never overturned tables in the church and called us to a greater manner of being. It is all coming down to the line. A person must choose rightly, and invite others to do so. I never spoke about my beliefs previously, but I find more more and more, in the spirit of Love it’s important to do so now. Possibly there will not be another chance.

          • Agnosticator

            It’s more likely Russian trolls stirring up hatreds in the US. We know that they did this during the last election, possible throwing it to Trump. There is no reason to believe that they are not engaged in a wider project to sow dissension and doubt about American strength and resolve. Don’t fall for it.

        • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

          Read your Bible, then the Babylonian Talmud, it’s always the tribe, always…..they are the serpent seed, and admit it in their writings…..Genesis 3:15 (God TO Satan: “I will put enmity between THY seed and the WOMAN’S seed.” get it now? In John 8 Jesus told them, you are of your father the devil, Jesus didn’t call people names he was speaking of their lineage.
          What is the CAUSE of “antisemitism”? were you aware they have been kicked out of countries, empires, and kingdoms over 100+ ? Think a kid if different people’s and you tries could always be at fault tan the tribe always right? you aware that over 90% of the Bolshevick leadership who slaughtered 10 million Ukrainians and over 60 million Russians in the Holodomor & Red Terror, were tribal? It wasn’t a Russian Revolution at all. IF you can slaughter 100 million in a century and come out of at the end of it looking like the victims you must have some serious control of the publishing houses and newspapers,media, and govts. Esau has cast off his yoke, the tribe shall commence white genocide to cover up the fact that white Christians are true chosen seed of Jacob Israel, of the scriptures that fulfill all the curses, promises, blessings, and scriptural prophecy. They have lied, changed names, and identities so often, they wrote a column in the 1980 Jewish Encyclopedia called “Identity Crisis” it said “Strictly speaking it is Incorrect to call a Jew an Israelite or an ancient Hebrew a Jew!” this was not written by the KKK. ….anyone reading this needs to wake up

          • Agnosticator

            Go comment for the Daily Stormer. They’ll love you there.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            No thanks~I don’t post to Joo-puppet false opposition fronts who make their critics look ridiculous.Hate+crass comments aren’t needed when dealing w/disgusting bloody baby penis sucking Rabbi perverts aka Joos–just the truth which they hate &a attempt to censor. My holy book doesn’t say sex w/girls over 3 is approved or boys over 9 is ol either. Babylonian Talmud -Babylonian Learnjng = Mystery Babylon.=anti Christ followers. Nor does it say to kill rob steal lie to all non Joos. and its cool. Just the facts and yes no bother to call me anti Semitic because Semites are not all bad,mostly just joos.

          • Agnosticator

            It is correct yes, that calling a modern Jew an “Israelite” or an ancient Hebrew a Jew is incorrect. That is because Israelite is a specific term referring to people from the ancient kingdom of Israel, something has not existed for more than 2500 years. Similarly an ancient Hebrew should not be called a Jew since “Jew” comes from Judea, a nation the was formed primarily out of the territory of the ancient tribe of Judah, since most of the other tribes were “lost” after the Assyrian conquest of the northern kingdom in the 8th century BC. Thus “Jew” refers only to those deriving from Judah (and Benjamin) and does not include all of the people who would be referred to as “Hebrews” before the conquest.
            None of this means that modern Jews are not the direct spiritual, cultural and, for the vast majority, physical descendants of those ancient people. They most certainly are.

        • Jan Franskmann

          Go read some history! You don`t even know what a semite is

          • Alber Arunee

            Arabs are Semites – most Jews are not.

            Erwin Alber

          • Agnosticator

            According to Dictionary.com:
            Semite: a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.

            “Semite” has been used for centuries as a racial designation, something inherited. It is nothing of the sort. It is linguistic. Jews, culturally both speak and spoke Hebrew, a semetic language. That defines them as semites, whether their mother was blond and blue-eyed and a convert or whether their father had curly hair and big nose or if their skin is dark or light. Those are irrelevant. Jews are an ethnic and religious community.

        • Sherman Michael Platt

          suck hind tit faber

        • Djago

          Love you tooooo!

      • AutismDadd

        Get help

  • mary

    When are these killers going to be closed down ,put out all you energy ,that these scum be removed from this earth very soon ,and for Gods sake stop taking ANY vaccine people

    • john vieira

      Appears to me that all of Dr. Mengele’s students joined big pharma to improve their “kill ratio”…and the mainstream media morphed into students of Goebbels on their behalf…

      • Agnosticator

        This is just an example of this:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

        • john vieira

          He might have been a good Doctor…only maligned by history…however what the ‘historians(?)’ attributed to him is what this is all about. There is a growing and deepening call for accountability from legitimate sources regarding the aluminium and mercury (a substance that appears to be making a comeback in other areas despite the fact that ‘haz-mat’ teams are required to handle relatively small spills) and other ‘unsavoury’ ingredients.

          • Agnosticator

            Maligned by history? What about the people he experimented on when they were children? Here are some first hand, personal accounts: http://auschwitz.dk/Mengele/id24.htm
            He was not a “good doctor”. He was a monster.
            But in what “other areas” are aluminum and mercury “making a comeback” and for what?

          • john vieira

            They’re in your vaccines…since you asked….and you know better than me the “for what”…do you not???

        • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

          Wikipedia is not a credible source for much of anything.

          • Agnosticator

            Godwin’s law is well known. It basically states that anyone who brings up Hitler or Nazis in any argument unrelated to Hitler and Nazis automatically loses the argument.

          • Marie

            I never go on Wikipedia cuz i read that anyone can go in there and change things around!

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Neither are you OR this publication.

    • joe

      Yes stop taking vaccines so that we can have HUNDREDS die from measles each year, and have thousands crippled from measles each year. You do know that 370 died of Flu in Australia last season? I would hate to think how many more would have died if there was no vaccination.Yes why don’t we bring Polio back so we can laugh at the kids with a caliper on their legs. WOW you are a MAROON.

      • Nim

        Joe, ….Many of those that died FROM the flu,….HAD RECEIVED the vaccine. A child in northern New Jersey, DID receive the flu shot, and then died….from the flu! Many people also received the shot,….and CONTRACTED the flu,….did not die, but got the flu, AFTER getting the shot…….You must look at the WHOLE story.

        • joe

          I know all about Flu, we had 370 deaths last Flu season, God knows how many more would have died if we had no vaccination. Yes they got the Flu but did not die because they got the shot, EXACTLY. You and others have been told and shown by graphs that the Miniscule risk of vaccination is worth it to protect your self from deadly diseases. I will end this post by asking a simple question and all I need is a simple yes or no for an answer. Would you like to live on this earth before vaccination was available?

        • Demaris Forsythe

          Nope. Among the children who died of flu this year, ~85% did not get the flu vaccine. And the vaccine doesn’t cause the flu. Not one death has been conclusively shown to have been caused by the vaccine. You don’t know the whole story. You don’t know any of it.

  • Agnosticator

    “There is no evidence whatsoever to support such a claim, of course, but
    that doesn’t stop the media from repeating it — almost verbatim — in
    every news story that covers the repeated failures of the flu vaccine
    itself.”

    This is absolutely untrue.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm

    It’s been widely discussed that the vaccine is relatively less effective against the version of the flu that’s currently circulating. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a net benefit to individuals getting it and to the people around them. Will some people, including children, get the flu and perhaps die, despite having gotten the vaccine? Of course, that’s always been true – no vaccine is 100% and this one is much lower. Yes, that will be more likely this year than in previous years.

    This isn’t a scandal – it’s just the limit of what is known and of our ability to predict the future. Guessing which strain will be dominant in a particular flu season is very difficult to do. The decision as to which vaccine to manufacture must be made close to a year earlier and it will always be imperfect given how much the virus changes from year to year. To discourage people from getting the vaccine with idiotic scare stories like this is disgraceful and harmful.

    The authors and publishers of this article should be ashamed of themselves. If you’re reading it, don’t be taken in.

    As for thiomersal being harmful, please read this review that summarizes what we really know about that:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25862449

    The take away:

    “Many case-control and cohort studies have been conducted on a number of
    populations, and none of them have confirmed the hypothetical relation
    between thiomersal and increased risk of autism spectrum disorders
    (ASDs) development”

    Also, as it goes on to say, the number of cases of autism has been increasing even though the use of thiomersal has decreased substantially. If the thiomersal were causing the autism, we should certainly see a decrease. We don’t – instead we see the opposite happening.

    Again, don’t be fooled by bogus science.

    • bouncedancer

      Troll who can’t spell and who doesn’t know the issues. Ouch.

      • Agnosticator

        I hate the idea that anyone disagreeing with a popular opinion on a given site is automatically a troll. It relieves you of any obligation to reply, which would require you to make a cogent argument. Call me a troll and *poof* no need for any argument – you can just go on believing you’re right and you don’t have to explain yourself.

        Fine – if that’s the state of discussion, then don’t come to me when your child gets some hideous preventable disease like diphtheria or measles or rubella. You guys seem to think it’s nothing to worry about because nobody gets those diseases anymore so you don’t need vaccines. Well surprise – the only reason so few people get those diseases is *because* of the vaccines. I am so sick and tired of this nonsense, especially when it has the potential to kill children who would otherwise have led a normal life.

        Finally, what did I misspell?

        • bouncedancer

          What about all the children who would have led normal lives if not for being maimed or killed by vaccines? It’s a LOT, and not just children. Why is there NO talk about them? You do know, don’t you, about the secretive federal Vaccine Court? It has so far paid out over $4 BILLION in damages since it was instituted in the late 1980s by the Supreme Court, which removed liability from the vaccine manufacturers because “vaccines are inherently unsafe.”

          Take a close look at the statistics; the images tend to be very compressed, making it hard to see that all the big, communicable diseases took a huge drop BEFORE vaccine campaigns, but the vaccine manufacturers took credit. The actual credit goes to sanitation, plumbing and refrigeration. It’s actually poverty that kills. Why isn’t the Gates Foundation spearheading water and sanitation projects in the 3rd World?

          If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck ….. If you are not a troll, I suggest you study more materials on the subject than what you get from the CDC/WHO.

          • Agnosticator

            I’m afraid I have to disagree with you on what you say in your second paragraph. I’ll give you two examples: polio and smallpox.
            Here is a link to historical data on polio incidence and deaths in the US:
            https://ourworldindata.org/polio
            The important data, for this purpose, is the graph about 1/3 of the way down. Note the extremely rapid decrease in polio cases and deaths after about 1960. The amount of suffering and death that this vaccine prevented is enormous. You may not remember, but before the vaccine, polio used to be every mother’s fear every summer. Since 1960, no one even thinks about it. I am 67 and I don’t know anyone my age or younger who has had it.
            Now, smallpox: https://ourworldindata.org/eradication-of-diseases#smallpox
            About 1/4 of the way down is the data just for Sweden from 1722 to 1743 showing, again, an enormous decrease in the number of cases after the introduction of the vaccine in about 1800. Again, a huge reduction in suffering and death.
            Of course sanitation, etc. played an enormous role role in disease reduction, just not all diseases. Many cannot be prevented or mitigated by vaccination. Typhus, cholera, dysentery, etc. are much much more effectively prevented by improved sanitation and food handling. But throwing out vaccines as a tool because of that fact doesn’t make sense.
            Please provide me with data on children maimed and killed by vaccines. I have no doubt that there are some – there will always be allergic and anaphylactic reactions that are unexpected. But focusing only on those instances, which are far, far smaller than the number who would be maimed or die due these diseases also doesn’t make sense. It’s just that now you can point to those hurt by the vaccine, but you can’t point to those saved. They just got to live their lives as though nothing would have happened. But the data says that that is misleading.
            If you have data showing that vaccines harm more people than they help, please point me to it.
            Also, again, what about the spelling error?

          • Mollie Norris

            The BS about the efficacy of polio vaccine has been exposed as the CDC’s elimination of cases of acute flaccid paralysis as cases of polio – a cure by manipulation of statistics.

          • Agnosticator

            As below – send me a paper, or link to one describing exactly what what was done and how that affected the apparent efficacy of the polio vaccine. Just saying it’s so isn’t enough. I’ve said below that I’m a scientist and I know that the devil is very much in the details. Without those details and a thorough analysis of them, it is nearly impossible to verify whether a conclusion represents anything like the truth. There are a lot of hucksters out there, astoundingly, who seek to benefit in terms of notoriety and/or book sales on the basis of outright lies.

          • Alber Arunee

            A scientist? I think you mean a brainwashed university graduate of one kind or another.

            https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2014/12/01/53000-paralysis-cases-in-india-from-polio-vaccine-in-a-year-npafp-identical-to-polio-but-twice-as-deadly/

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • Agnosticator

            So acute flaccid paralysis is just a symptom, not a disease in an of itself. Individuals with polio may exhibit acute flaccid paralysis, but acute flaccid paralysis is a symptom of other diseases as well. I assume you mean to say that other causes of afp besides polio were conflated with polio in the statistics.
            Again, show me proof that this actually happened to a degree that is significant enough to alter the very dramatic change seen in what was deemed polio after about 1960. How did this happen?

          • Marie

            Oh, i have also read that polio is still here! But now they call it “Meningitis”!! This is a mild form of polio that mutated from the vaccine. So they don’t get in a lung machine anymore – they just get a mild form of…….POLIO and now call it Meningitis!

          • Alber Arunee

            Vaccines cause far more harm including deaths than the diseases they are falsely claimed to prevent. This was/is also true for the smallpox and polio vaccine, and every other vaccine for that matter.

            As an example, there have been zero deaths from measles in the USA but 108 deaths caused by the measles vaccine over the past ten years, not to mention the fact that 1 in every 50 American children is now autistic mainly because of the MMR vaccine they were injected with.

            Erwin Alber
            http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com

          • Marie

            Oh YES! 50 yrs ago Autism was one in ten thousand!!! Now i hear it’s one in 50 or one in 75, and i heard a news report recently that the estimates are by the year 2030 autism will be one in TWO!! Tell me it’s not from the vaccines! It’s the vaccines!

          • AutismDadd

            So where did you train to be this efficient at defending vaccines?

          • WoolyBug

            Let me guess… you’re a flat earther?

          • Marie

            I agree with you Bouncedancer. I have read too that due to sanitation the diseases stopped. And the Gardasel/herpe vaccine they are giving 12yr olds…a good number have died from it and others are maimed for life with auto immune diseases, bed ridden, can’t walk, sick all over. That vaccine is deadly. Do a search and read and see some videos the ones who think vaccines are “safe & effective” and the
            “benefits outweigh the risks”. Bullsh*t !! Peanut allergies in children are due to the peanut OIL they put in the babies vaccines and the body rejects all peanut derived food.

          • AutismDadd

            And that’s one country. What about the hundreds of countries with no reporting system or compensation? Imagine a World Compensation Program and how much $$$ it would pay out.

        • Mollie Norris

          Give it up – there are just too many millions of people around who had minor viral illnesses like measles as children to justify debasing yourself by posting garbage.

          • Agnosticator

            Of course lots of people had measles as children and survived just fine. I did.
            That’s not the point. Measles is a serious disease, with a significant complication rate:

            From the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html):

            – As many as one out of every 20 children with measles gets
            pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young
            children.
            – About one child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop
            encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and
            can leave the child deaf or with intellectual disability.
            – For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die from it.

            Read that last one again: the death rate from measles is 1-2 per thousand.

            According the WHO (http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/MMR_vaccine_rates_information_sheet.pdf), the rate of serious complications from the measles vaccine alone is between 1 in 2000-3000 (fever with seizures) to 1 in a million (for anaphylaxis). All of those can be managed and mitigated. Death can’t be mitigated, and the death rate from measles in unvaccinated populations is at least 2 to 3 times higher than even the most common serious side effect of the vaccine.

            No one ever said that vaccines don’t have side effects. It’s just that they help substantially more children than they hurt. That’s not much comfort for someone whose child was hurt by a vaccine, but anyone who has children knows that life forces you to play the odds. None of us has any choice in that. Why not improve them as much as you can?

          • Mollie Norris

            Are you really pretending the CDC is credible?

          • Agnosticator

            Send me something that is credible and shows something else and I’ll believe it.

          • bouncedancer

            Let’s see how much of a scientist you are: Do you know the only way polio is spread?

          • Agnosticator

            So you’re putting me to the test without offering any argument of your own? Ok, if that’s what you want.
            Anyone can look this up. You don’t need to be a scientist to do it.

            from: http://polio.emedtv.com/polio/how-is-polio-spread.html

            “How Is Polio Spread? — Fecal-Oral Polio Transmission

            Polio transmission most often occurs through contact with stool
            from an infected person. This spread of poliovirus can happen in one of
            several ways, which include:

            Eating food or drinking liquids that are contaminated with poliovirus. Poliovirus is commonly found in sewage water.

            Touching surfaces or objects contaminated with poliovirus (for
            instance, by changing diapers), and then placing the contaminated hand
            in the mouth.

            Sharing foods or eating utensils with someone infected with poliovirus.”

            Now I suspect you’re going to try to tell me that, because polio is most often (I think you believe it’s the only route) transmitted by the oral-fecal route, it was really sanitation that largely eliminated it. But, first, the drop in cases and deaths happened in the late 1950’s and early 1960’s. Major improvements in sanitation in the US happened decades before. I am 67 and I remember the late 1950’s – I did not use an outhouse and I don’t know anybody who did. We had sewers or underground cesspools and indoor plumbing with real flush toilets. Everyone knew about hygiene – indeed our parents were fanatical about it. What improvements in sanitation were there in the late 1950’s that could have changed the polio incidence rate?

            and then, from the same web site, there’s this:

            “Less commonly, polio transmission occurs through contact with
            respiratory droplets or saliva. When an infected person sneezes or
            coughs, droplets spray into the air. The infected mucus or saliva can
            land in other people’s noses or throats when they breathe or put their
            fingers in their mouth, nose, or eyes after touching an infected
            surface.”

            So that’s less common than the oral-fecal route, but when people live together in higher densities, as they do in cities or even suburbs where they are constantly near each other in stores, malls, public transportation, etc. etc., the less common routes of transmission become important.

            Remember that 95% of polio cases were asymptomatic. No one, least of all those affected, actually knew they had the disease and so they could go about their normal business, infecting people around them. For others, it just felt like a cold. This was probably how most of it was spread.

            Anything else?

          • bouncedancer

            OK, you passed that. But a scientist who claims to know about vaccines without knowing about he Vaccine Court and its $4 billion payout doesn’t get my respect. Do you know how many people have died from the measles in the US in recent times? One, who had autoimmune issues, probably derived from vaccines. How many people died from the vaccine in the same time span? Twelve.

            Not only are you dismissing vaccine injuries, I see no concern about the extreme rise of vaccine doses. You probably got, say, 6, or 8. Today’s children will have gotten over 70 if they follow the recommended schedule. And each dose has a high level of aluminum.
            Extremely high levels of aluminum have been found in ALL the brains of recently deceased autistic people. And also there is the recent Italian study that showed major contaminants in ALL the vaccines for humans that they looked at — contaminants like lead, blood, stainless steel and more. Prior to this, glass was found in the HPV vaccines, but no recall!

            So, what is your reason for the epidemics we are currently suffering from: Autism, Alzheimers and allergies? The trajectories of these epidemics are in lockstep with the vaccines.

            And what about those inconvenient studies that show unvaccinated children to be far healthier than the vaccinated?

          • Agnosticator

            I’m aware of the Vaccine Court. But you’ve made the same mistake in numbers as before. If it’s true, as you say, that only one person died from measles in recent times, that is a huge victory. Yes that victory was paid for with, assuming you’re correct (and I have no reason to doubt it), the lives of those twelve.
            But how many cases were prevented, and how many deaths? I said before that the death rate from measles was 1 to 2 in 1000. In a population of, say, 250 million (as it was before the vaccine), that means there were between 25,000 and 50,000 deaths per year from measles in the US. That’s a lot bigger than 12, isn’t it?
            In the end, with the vaccine, you reduce the death rate enormously. It’s just that a different group of people (perhaps) die. That seems like a good bargain since none of us knows which group we’re in beforehand anyway.

            The Court exists not to cover anything up – it’s there to make sure the vaccine makers keep making vaccines because of their enormous benefit to society. It wouldn’t take many heart-wrenching high profile lawsuits against vaccine makers to cost them so much money that making theoe vaccines is no longer worth it. Sure, they would lose each time, because it’s true – in that small number of cases, the vaccine really did cause that death or injury. The court exists to make sure those families are compensated, at least in terms of money (even though money itself could never compensate for a child’s death or injury), but society as a whole, which is deriving the huge benefit from vaccines is paying to compensate the small number of people injured by them (rather than the vaccine maker). There is nothing fishy about it – we all benefit, but a small number of people are hurt. We should help them out as much as we can, but that benefit, those tens of thousands of lives saved, are much too important to lose the tool by which they are saved.

          • Alber Arunee

            Measles mortality graphs based on official statistics clearly show that vaccination did NOT contribute to the remarkable decline of measles mortality over the past century. Why are you unaware of this? I thought you said that you are a scientist? Obviously not.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c34c554219b823d98af8e1387762505151ecc87176e087fff49415b67f0f4e7f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb51446125061475df4486f734c8c7e209aa8c924383b26d655b0ceb24cfa150.jpg

            The first graph shows the measles mortality decline in the US, the second the measles mortality decline in the UK.

            It was graphs like these which converted my from a brainwashed pro-vax moron to an outspoken anti-vaccination activist.

            More graphs here:

            https://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/do-infectious-disease-mortality-graphs-show-vaccines-save-lives/

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • AutismDadd

            You have it backwards. VAERS and NVICP exist because vaccine makers were being litigated out of business by being found at fault. Or were the courts antivaxxers and in league with the Wakefield Cult?

          • Agnosticator

            If there are studies showing unvaccinated children to be healthier than those who are vaccinated, please point me to them. Also, in what way are they healthier? What does that actually mean? That health had better be worth the lives (note, not the health, but the actual lives) of tens, maybe hundreds of other children. It had better be that good, because that would be its cost, even if it’s true.
            Same with the “epidemics” of autism ALZ and allergies. What evidence is there that connects any of this with vaccines?
            And what does aluminum have to do with any this? Again, evidence, please.
            Vaccines, like any other drug, are manufactured under what is called “good manufacturing process” that strictly governs purity, testing, handling, etc. etc. Many companies have been cited, fined and even closed down by the FDA for violations. If what you describe with vaccines has happened, please provide evidence of it and whether the magnitude of the contaminants was actually a significant health hazard, because the amount of these things actually matters. A lot.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            zzzzzzz……

          • Alber Arunee

            There are no official studies comparing the health of vaccinated with that of unvaccinated children because the corrupt government agencies such as the CDC refuse to do them – for good reason.

            Watch that evil bitch from the CDC squirm and become elusive when asked whether any such study had been done.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE9ZrybFDBw

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • Marie

            Ah, but the Amish children are much healthier than the vaccinated ones the rest of the world gets.

          • joe

            Amish vaccinate their children, thanks for agreeing that vaccination is good.

          • Mollie Norris

            No they don’t as a group; many Amish and Mennonites have emigrated to Mexico to avoid mandatory vaccination laws.

          • joe
          • Demaris Forsythe

            Bullshit, you liar.

          • Marie

            No, i don’t believe in vaccination at all. First hand experience when my son was a yr old in 1972 he got his first DPT shot and the next day he was sick for 4 days with a high fever of 103. I never gave him another vaccine after that. I saw with my own eyes. I was young, but i still had some common sense. I didn’t know that Amish vaccinate their children. I read they didn’t. Maybe some do? I’m curious now. I did read that there is very little autism in the Amish kids.

          • joe

            There is overwhelming evidence that vaccines do not cause Autism, and yes the Amish do vaccinate, just google it, there is plenty info out there regarding Amish and vaccination

          • suzannerose

            In addition, I remember reading this woman now works for Merck….

          • AutismDadd

            Buh wah ha ha… so with your “good Manufacturing process” many companies have been cited, fined, and closed down for FDA violations? Yep that all sounds about right.

          • Marie

            Yes! Children ARE healthier without the vaccines. My son who is now in his late 40’s got ONE vaccine as a one yr old….well, the DPT so i guess that’s 3. Back in 1972. The next day he was very sick with a high fever of 103 for four days. I laid with him on the floor and took care of him. He had convulsions. I was lucky he was ok. After that i never ever had him get another vaccine! It was easy in those days. All you did was write a note to the school and fill out a form. I copied from a book what vaccines he “got”. Now since everything is controlled you can’t do that. Kids these days are very sickly. I was ten in 1958. They only had polio and small pox shots. I got 2 polio and no small pox cuz i was so scared of needles that i vomited and they passed me by. So i don’t have that god awful mark on my arm now. I do have lipoma’s all over my body i believe from the polio shots. They are little fat tumors. I have a few on each leg and a few on my arms, small but there. I read it’s from the polio vaccines. My son also never got his tonsils out. When he was in the hosp. for an eye operation – which they screwed up and he had bad eye aches for the next 20 yrs – a kid in the next bed had his tonsils out and he started to hemmorrhage and they had to rush him back into surgery. So after i saw that i never had his tonsils out, and to this day i never see him with a cold, not in the last 30 yrs.

          • AutismDadd

            19 countries have compensation programs. The rest don’t. What happens to vaccine victims in hundreds of countries with little to no reporting systems?

          • Kathy Fuller

            As a scientist your bar should be very high. Apparently, according to these top experts, that is not the case for many scientists:

            From Dr. Richard Horton, the
            current editor-in-chief of the Lancet:

            The case against science is straightforward: much of
            the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by
            studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses,
            and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing
            fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards
            darkness.

            This link provides the comment section written by
            Dr. Horton that contains his quote: http://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736%2815%2960696-1.pdf

            The next quote is from Dr. Marcia Angell who served
            as editor-in-chief of the New England Medical Journal:

            It is simply no longer possible to believe much of
            the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted
            physicians or authoritative medical guidelines (like vaccine recommendations).
            I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly
            over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.

            Dr. Angell’s quote is from her book The Truth About
            Drug Companies. Dr. Angell has a
            lecture on pharmaceutical corruption here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDbQNBla6aU

            Quote from Arnold Seymour Relman (Harvard Professor
            of Medicine and Former Editor-in-Chief of the New England Medical Journal:

            The medical profession is being bought by the
            pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but
            also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this
            country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical
            industry. I think it’s disgraceful.

            Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1126053/#ref15

            According to the WHO approximately 69% of current
            peer reviewed research is funded by the pharmaceutical industry which means
            that over 2/3s of the science doctors are relying on to make vaccine
            recommendations has the potential to be heavily flawed. Since the pharmaceutical industry
            is engaging in this unethical behavior to protect their bottom line, it is safe
            to assume that the vast majority of flawed science favors the pro-vax stance.

            How the funding bias works straight from a former Pfizer
            executive: http://vaxxter.com/former-pfizer-executive-says-the-vaccine-is-deadly/

          • Agnosticator

            This was long and took me a while to go through, so I apologize for the delay.
            I will address Dr. Horton’s concerns primarily. As for Dr. Angell – she is absolutely right. The amount of money spent on promotion and administration is hard to justify. Profits are also out of line and prices should be negotiated in the US just like they are everywhere else. Also I think the system for collecting and reporting adverse events is inadequate and should be more independent, though funded by Pharma.
            As for Dr. Horton’s comments – these primarily refer to academic science, which is, sadly, rife with errors. Science done in Pharma companies has issues, but, especially for the clinical studies used to determine if a drug can be approved, not those issues. Such studies must be prospective so that their design and methods for analysis are worked out through negotiation with the FDA prior to the start of the study. These cannot be changed. Pharma’s science issues are often the studies not done because the result is anticipated to show something that would be negative for the drug. Still, what is needed for registration, i.e. to get it on the market, is very rigid and tightly controlled. Sometimes the FDA will require a specific study, particularly if a signal is seen suggesting a problem. Merck stands out for its treatment of Vioxx. The signal was seen there, although primarily after the drug was on the market, and they chose not to do the study, relying instead on monitoring of ongoing studies and patients using the drug for other purposes. Also, it was a relatively rare side effect – perhaps 1 in 50,000. That level of rarity requires a study with many, many people. Such a study would have been extremely difficult and fantastically expensive. That’s not a reason not to do it, and they made the wrong choice for sure, but that story is the outlier.

          • Alber Arunee

            Please stop before I kill myself laughing.

            Erwin Alber

          • Tweety

            What everyone seems to forget is the fact that medications and vaccines used to be all plant based, now they are a plethora of deadly poisonous chemicals! I have a release form for any Dr. Or nurse to sign stating that the vaccines are safe, any takers?

          • Alber Arunee

            Vaccines were never plant based. The first vaccine was pus and lymph taken from a cowpox blister on the hand of an English dairy maid called Sarah Nelmes. As demand for the vaccine increased, orphan children were inoculated with this filth and the pus and lymph from their vaccine blisters used to vaccinate other people. This however transferred diseases such as tuberculosis, gonorrhea and syphilis to people who got the vaccine, so vaccine production was shifted to the use of calves kept for the purpose. Their bellies were shaven and shallow parallel cuts were made into their skin which were infected with cowpox lymph. After a few days, when the cuts were festering, the pus, lymph and blisters were harvested by scraping them off with a sharp spoon. This mess was then filtered and diluted with glycerine. This was the vaccine which was 184 years later (in 1980) falsely claimed to have eradicated smallpox. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18eb7683c0cef87539943f5d6a8a0893d0262224461ea6d7a62b1cef5a799c77.jpg

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • AutismDadd

            Ew bring me a bucket…

          • Marie

            Any of you taking the blood pressure drug called Lisinopril? It is made from Viper Pit snake venom .It kills it’s prey by lowering it’s blood pressure! The pill works very good to lower peoples blood pressure and you can take it for 20 yrs with no problem, until ONE day you suddenly have an allergic reaction called Angiodema where your throat and tongue swell up and if not getting to the hospital you will surely die!

          • Alber Arunee

            Vaccines don’t have “side”-effects because the harm they cause is their ONLY – and in my estimation INTENDED – effect.

            CDC = Centers for Disease Creation and Proliferation.

            The CDC is a front for the medical-pharmaceutical mafia.

            A scientist is someone who knows. You don’t know, so you are not a scientist. You are at best a junk scientist.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • Marie

            I believe that the majority of the vaccines given to chidren are to “CONTAMINATE THE HUMAN GENE POOL!” That is their basic purpose – to make humans now and in the future sickly and weak. Weak mentally and weak physically and having all kinds of health problems that cannot even be pinpointed to the “vaccines” they were given as children. So in the future they will need all kinds of drugs to stay alive!

        • Michelle Perruzzi

          I like the way you think 🙂

          • Alber Arunee

            It hardly qualifies as thinking. It’s more like programming installed by his handlers.

            Erwin Alber

        • Alber Arunee

          Vaccines have never protected anyone or saved anyone’s life. The so-called “vaccine-preventable” diseases have declined as living conditions improved. Vaccines had NOTHING to do with it. Vaccination has been a failure and a fraud right from its beginning in 1796 and an ongoing disaster ever since. Vaccination programmes are an integral part of the psychopathic elites’ global depopulation agenda. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c81ddaba53468b267d4083eb840f204166b7e8541358e8c1f132829029d72f8a.jpg

          Erwin Alber
          Vaccination Information Network

          • Marie

            Yes! It is to contaminate the human gene pool !!!!!

    • Anne Marie Healy

      A shill for big pharma. I hope the money is worth it.

      • Agnosticator

        Yes of course you would think that, rather than looking closely at the numbers. I am talking about thousands of lives saved. Vaccines are not particularly profitable so the court exists to keep the companies from exiting the market entirely. Do some real research on this before automatically assuming a position.

        • Alber Arunee

          Where is the proof that vaccines have saved millions of lives? There is none. Vaccines have never protected anyone, or saved a single life,

          Vaccines are highly profitable not only because vaccination programmes are government-promoted and taxpayer-funded all over the world, but even more do because the financial benefits from the sale of drugs used to manage the disasters caused by vaccines for profit are a major if not THE major source of income for the medical-pharmaceutical mafia. A sick population is profitable, while a healthy population is not; hence the need to make and to keep us sick with vaccines (and other means).

          Erwin Alber https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c81ddaba53468b267d4083eb840f204166b7e8541358e8c1f132829029d72f8a.jpg

          • Marie

            Yes vaccines are to make and keep us sick and make more money for the drug companies!

          • Agnosticator

            I am still waiting for substantiation. You yourself said this site is known for fake news. Find me same real news on this.

        • AutismDadd

          You are parroting the usual nonsense. Vaccines are profitable.

          • Agnosticator

            I didn’t say they weren’t. But compared to pills like Lipitor that people take every day for the rest of their lives they aren’t nearly as profitable. Vaccines, some given once in a person’s life, others (the flu vaccine is the only one I can think of in this category), given yearly just aren’t big sellers since people don’t need them so often. Sometimes the costs overwhelm the profit, especially if there are a lot of lawsuits for the relatively small number of people hurt (compared to the much larger number who benefit). In this case, the Vaccine court pays those extra costs so the benefit we all get is retained. Simple, but you have to educate yourself and be open to understanding it.

          • AutismDadd

            Yea Blah blah…they are profitable…PERIOD

          • Agnosticator

            These companies are not charities. Is that your problem? If so, why? If you can think of a better model (and there may be one), then do something about it instead of ranting on here. Go found a non-profit that will develop a drug to help someone. Now, how many of them already exist? Not too many, I think. That might tell you something.

          • AutismDadd

            non-profits exist but buy vaccines to send to third world, not realizing some will not do well when injected.

          • Agnosticator

            Not really an answer to my question. Why are you opposed to profit-making companies? How could you do it better?

          • AutismDadd

            I wouldn’t. If I had a cure for say cancer, I’d give it away, not become filthy wealthy. Big Pharma owns cures and prevention and holds it for ransom.

          • Agnosticator

            What does it mean to “have” a cure for cancer? First you have to identify something that might be one. Then, you have to prove, step by step, from bench to animals to humans, that it actually does cure cancer. Do you have any understanding of how expensive that is? Most of the ideas don’t work and fail somewhere in this process. The generally accepted cost of bringing just one drug to market, including all of the failures (those have to be paid for, too), is about $1 billion. Most of us don’t have a billion dollars to figure out if something really is a cure for cancer and many that do (effectively including anyone owning pharmaceutical stocks directly, most mutual funds and broad ETF’s etc, including pension funds – that amounts to about half the US) aren’t really willing to give it away. Welcome the the US.
            That’s not to say Pharma hasn’t been evil too often. From pricing drugs, even old off-patent ones, in ways to gouge the reimbursement system, to pursuing very narrow drugs to be priced extremely high, to ignoring safety warnings, to outright fraud, kickbacks, misrepresentation and false promotions, Pharma has a lot to answer for. Unfortunately, we are stuck with this system for developing new drugs. I wish there were a better way, but as bad as it is, it has been productive.

          • AutismDadd

            OH MY blah blah blah take your meds

          • Agnosticator

            Once again you’ve shown how closed minded you are. Do you think all of the drugs that actually prolong the lives of cancer patients and, in some cases even cure them, happened by themselves? They were each the result of the hard work of hundreds, perhaps thousands of people over as long as 15 years. Should they have all worked for free? How would they have fed their families?

          • AutismDadd

            How does a single mom who’s child is vaccine injured feed her and her child when the child needs constant care? Where does she get extra $$$ for therapy for the child?

          • Agnosticator

            From this: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/covered-vaccines/index.html
            How do you think the many many more moms, single or otherwise, whose children would have died without the vaccine might feel?

          • AutismDadd

            Nice swerve.

          • Agnosticator

            It’s not a swerve – it’s reality. That’s what vaccines are for. Do some get hurt? Yes, of course. Many, many more are spared. Can anyone predict who is who beforehand? No. Isn’t a net reduction in death and harm worth it?

          • AutismDadd

            Oh the OLD vaccines save lives so those maimed and killed don’t matter. Check yourself for a pulse, you may be heartless.

          • Agnosticator

            “Blah blah”. Did you even read what I wrote? What would your 6th grade teacher have said if you responded to him or her with “blah blah blah”? You are displaying your closed-mindedness.

          • AutismDadd

            You write tripe AKA blah blah

      • Agnosticator

        Yes, I am a scientist at a very small specialty pharmaceutical company that has no involvement in vaccines whatsoever. I am on here because I am offended by the ridiculous charges, made with no substantiation, of vast harm due to vaccines. I am a scientist and I am very aware of how difficult it is figure out what is actually true. We don’t rely on what some guy on the internet told us, we go to the lab or the clinic and find out for ourselves. Even then, data can be difficult to interpret and we make mistakes. All one can do is ones best. This article is so far from that best that it makes me angry.

    • Alber Arunee

      I have news for you: apart from all the make-believe, vaccination has NOTHING to do with disease prevention. Vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise dressed up as disease prevention by means of junk science. The sooner this medical fraud, child abuse and crime against humankind is abolished, the better.

      Erwin Alber https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c81ddaba53468b267d4083eb840f204166b7e8541358e8c1f132829029d72f8a.jpg

      • Agnosticator

        Please supply some substantiation of this charge other than a cartoon.

      • Agnosticator

        Also, your dumb cartoon misspelled “thiomersal”. You should know that “squalene” oil is naturally occurring in the human body. Your skin is covered with it, for instance.

  • Stephanie Christian

    why for Gods name in 2018 are we not putting people on immediately Vitamin C IV when they have upper respiratory infections….

    • Mollie Norris

      Because of Big Pharma’s character assassination of Linus Pauling and its use of pseudoscience to discredit his science. Pauling advocated large doses of Vitamin C, which is a catalyst; it’s not consumed; it influences biochemical reactions and is excreted. Big Pharma exploited the public’s ignorance by showing that Vitamin C was excreted and claiming that it had no effect based on that fact.

      • Alber Arunee

        The medical-pharmaceutical mafia would rather let people die from the flu or other infections than to give them vitamin C. https://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/vitamin-c-saves-new-zealand-farmers-life/

        Erwin Alber

      • Deplorablette

        Of course it is excreted. That’s it’s purpose. To carry junk out of the body.

        • Mollie Norris

          No, read the research if you want toknow what its purpose is.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Post a link to your “research,” toots.

          • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

            Demaris: Post a link to your expertise. You’re a fake that is questioning the validity of others. What a joke.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Post a link to yours, you stupid cunt-lapping whore.

          • AutismDadd

            MODERATOR please ban this person.

          • Nim

            MODERATOR,…..Please Ban Demaris,…..All he does is call people curse words and names,…..ACTUALLY, he is PROJECTING WHAT HE FEELS ABOUT HIMSELF ONTO OTHERS…….IN REALITY, HE IS CALLING HIMSELF NAMES, but, obviously, we all know that! Very sad,…..he has issues……….Just IGNORE DEMARIS,…..IT WILL DRIVE HIM ABSOLUTELY CRAZY…….Not that we want to do that,…..but, maybe he will just GO AWAY if we do…..complete and total ignoring of ANYTHING HE SAYS…….NO POINT IN TRYING TO REASON WITH A PERSON THAT HAS ISSUES.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            WAAAAAHHHH. Try some butt-hurt cream, you little weenie.

          • joe

            Fact is, you do not have to respond, If you do not like the comments because they show you up for what you are, you are free to block that person

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Numbutt is too dumb to understand that.

          • joe

            You should be banned

          • AutismDadd

            I should be celebrated.

          • joe

            for what? oh yes for being the king of liars.

          • AutismDadd

            So Joe was there ever peanut oil in vaccines? Now DON’T lie

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I’m not “questioning the validity of others,” you ass. I’m requesting that they post links to their sources. Are you such a pansy that you can’t tolerate THAT?

          • Ron Roy

            joe and Demerit oops I mean Demaris upvoting each other isn’t that sweet. Love is in the air.

          • AutismDadd

            Talk about butt hurt…

      • Agnosticator

        It wasn’t character assassination, it was simply science. The studies Pauling used in his research (he didn’t actually do any of his own) were very flawed. They also included 10 days of IV vitamin C, something most of us are unlikely to do, as well as differences in how sick the patients were in the control vs. the treatment group. A later Mayo Clinic study found no effect of vitamin C (vs. placebo), but the results were very contentious with much back and forth between Pauling and the Mayo researchers including charges of scientific misconduct on both sides. The Mayo study was flawed as well and no new study was done by anyone to correct those flaws, so that interest in vitamin C for this purpose waned.
        Newer results are now suggesting a modest benefit for vitamin C in the prevention of colds, but not for cancer.

        • Mollie Norris

          There’s lots of published research in addition to the Mayo Clinic’s. What’s consistent in all the research I’ve looked at is positive or promising results that justify further research, with no additional research funded, research that’s conducted outside of Big Pharma-controlled US, browsers that crash during searches and tabs displaying research publications that mysteriously close.

          “Effects of High Doses of Vitamin C on Cancer Patients in Singapore: Nine Cases
          The clinical response of 9 cancer patients of differing stages to the regular administration of large doses (25-100 g/d) of intravenous vitamin C (IVC; ascorbic acid) is outlined. Tumor pathology and patient health were verified by doctors who do not practice vitamin C treatment.
          RESULTS:
          Cases suggesting survival beyond prognosis, improvement in quality of life, safe coadministration with and improved tolerance of conventional therapy, and deterioration in clinical condition following withdrawal of vitamin C therapy are documented clinically. Some patients experience the Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction-the release of endotoxin from microorganism death resulting in pimples, fever, and body odor-for a few hours after the therapy, but these are resolved quickly with no lasting
          effects.
          CONCLUSION:
          Randomized trials of IVC therapy are recommended because it has minimal side effects and has shown promising results.”
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26679971

          “Intravenously administered vitamin C as cancer therapy: three cases
          We found 3 well-documented cases of advanced cancers, confirmed by histopathologic review, where patients had unexpectedly long survival times after receiving high-dose intravenous vitamin C therapy. We examined clinical details of each case in accordance with National Cancer Institute (NCI) Best Case Series guidelines. Tumour pathology wasverified by pathologists at the NCI who were unaware of diagnosis or treatment. In light of recent clinical pharmacokinetic findings and in vitro evidence of anti-tumour mechanisms, these case reports indicate that the role of high-dose intravenous vitamin C therapy in cancer treatment should be reassessed.”
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1405876/

          Vitamin C in Disease Prevention and Cure: An Overview
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3783921/

          • Agnosticator

            Thank you. Although the 12 cases in the two studies you quoted do not in themselves settle the issue, these studies are interesting and should be followed up. The review article was even more interesting. There is clearly some controversy in several areas, but there does seem to be something there. Even so, it will take a very large study with hundreds of patients to establish this firmly (or refute it) for cancer or maybe just one type of cancer. Those are extremely expensive and who would pay for it? BTW I take vit C myself.

          • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

            12 pretend cases that, even if existed, you would not be qualified to assess.

          • Agnosticator

            How do you know what my qualifications are?

          • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

            Antag: No one could ever know anything about you because you are using a fake name. My real name is in my profile at Disqus, and anyone that wishes can look me up there and on LinkedIn.

            Anything you type is suspect and should not be believed unless you can prove that you have expertise in the subject you speak of.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Your opinion of what is “suspect” is immaterial. I don’t pretend to have the expertise of a researcher or a physician. You and your idiot pals DO. You all suffer from Dunning Kruger, imagining that you are more knowledgeable than the millions of doctors and scientists who know that vaccines are the safest and most effective means we have of preventing diseases that can and do kill and disable. You are blithering idiots who ignore the preponderance of evidence in favor of poorly conducted “studies” you find on Natural News or other shoddy sites, where the morons in charge cherry-pick material or misinterpret studies to suit their own purposes.

          • Agnosticator

            Hear, hear. You go….

          • Agnosticator

            I do not use my name because it is unusual and would quickly be connected with my employer. I am not posting in any official capacity, they have no idea I’m doing this and I do not want it to appear that my employer in any way either approves or has any knowledge of my posts. These are entirely my personal opinion.
            I can tell you, however, that I am a scientist working in medical diagnostics – I hold an earned PhD from MIT in biomedical engineering. I have published reasonably frequently in the leading journals in my field.
            Otherwise, think what you like.
            Besides, what expertise do you have that qualifies you to make your comments?

          • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

            Mollie: You’re responding to a shill. She has no evidence or anything she can quote, so she refers to some WordPress blog run by some yahoo.

          • Mollie Norris

            Thanks; I figured that was the case, and posted my comment for others who might be misled, but I appreciate your confirmation.

          • Agnosticator

            A shill for whom, please?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            So you cannot wrap your tiny brain around the idea that not everyone who supports vaccines and cares about public health is paid to do so? Who’s paying YOU to lie about vaccines?

          • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

            Demaris: Straight to insults. Another fake entity that does not have the expertise to comment.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “does not have the expertise to comment.” AHAHAHA. What fucking “expertise” do you delude yourself into believing YOU have, you fraud?

          • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

            I never said I was an expert. You, however, have no expertise in this subject. If you did you would have already cited your expertise.

            You have proven my point, and thank you for that.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            No, sweetie, what I have are critical thinking skills. You don’t.

          • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

            Again, you are not psychic, so you really have no idea what skills I do or do not have.

            If you are disputing what people are stating here, it is incumbent upon you to prove that you have to expertise to dispute. You have thus far failed to do so.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            AHAHAHA. You haughty little turd, if it’s not “incumbent” on the fucking anti-vaccine dolts to show they have any “expertise,” then it’s not “incumbent” on me to do anything of the sort. Stop posing. You’re not good at it. If it’s “incumbent” on ME to provide evidence for anything, then why the fuck do you imagine you can accuse someone of being a paid shill without any evidence, you stupid ass-clown?

          • AutismDadd

            HOW REPULSIVE. MODERATOR please ban this person.

          • joe

            I think your the one who should be banned

          • AutismDadd

            Are you inebriated?

          • joe

            You should be banned, because you are a pathological liar, you have never ever provided a single credible citation in all the time you have been posting on the net, all you do is dish out brain dead one liners. If you have an Autistic child and I say IF, because no one knows as you constantly lie, I feel sorry for that child, stop blaming the world regarding your ALLEGED child’s condition, You damn well know vaccination does not cause Autism, and evidence is emerging that OLD fathers may be the problem, so if you want to blame someone, you should look at yourself. THIS IS MY LAST REPLY TO YOU.

          • AutismDadd

            Thanks. You’re a goof anyway

          • Agnosticator

            If only someone could be banned for refusing to think. So sad.

          • AutismDadd

            You’re not that bad, don’t be so hard on yourself

          • AutismDadd

            What a vulgar, repulsive pro-vaccine advocate. I’d hate to be associated with you or your ilk. Moderator we need this horrid person banned ASAP

          • Demaris Forsythe

            And you are psychotic, so you’re disqualified to render any judgment whatsoever about anyone smarter than you are. In other words, anyone who’s breathing.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            No, shithead, that’s not how it works. If the assholes can’t support their claims with science-based evidence, then their claims are dismissed as false.

          • AutismDadd

            How vulgar and repulsive you are.

          • AutismDadd

            She’s psycho

          • AutismDadd

            You misspelled stinking

          • Demaris Forsythe

            No, honeybun, you’ve proven that you have no response to the question I asked. Why is it you can’t figure out that people who care about public health don’t need payment to support it on public sites? Is someone paying YOU to write here? If so, he/she is wasting money.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You claim to be a “professional researcher.” What research studies have you conducted on vaccines? In what high-impact medical journals are your studies published? What labs did you use?

          • AutismDadd

            Demaris claims peanut oil was never in vaccines. Adjuvant 65-4 proves she lies like a sidewalk

          • joe

            THAT is a good question

          • Demaris Forsythe

            One he’s apparently incapable of answering.

          • joe

            Don’t hold your breath whilst waiting.

          • AutismDadd

            She’ll have to stop sucking on her cigarette then.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Citing a shitty study from over 10 years ago?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “9 patients???” Are you fucking joking? THAT isn’t a “study.”

          • AutismDadd

            More repulsive vulgarity

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “Intravenously administered vitamin C as cancer therapy: three cases
            We
            found 3 well-documented cases of advanced cancers, confirmed by
            histopathologic review, where patients had unexpectedly long survival
            times after receiving high-dose intravenous vitamin C therapy. ” AHAHAHAHAHA. There is NO evidence that the vitamin C therapy caused the long survival time, you clown. None. THREE cases?? Really? And NO controls whatsoever. You are an idiot.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            ” browsers that crash during searches and tabs displaying research publications that mysteriously close.” AHAHAHA. You’re a bona fide nutter.

        • Marie

          Well, i just had 2 days of the flu and i am well now cuz i drank olive leaf tea. I had chills and aches tue nite. Drank lots of olive leaf. Wed chills gone no aches. Back hurt like hell tho felt like my back was jello. i read that a virus will attack the weakest part of the body. Today thur feel almost 90 percent better. That’s not even 3 days sick with the flu. Not a cold cuz no stuffy nose and no chest cold. Flu gives chills and aches. The trick is to catch it fast as soon as you get symptoms. I can give recipe for olive leaf tea if anyone wants it. I know Vit C would not have helped me at all. I freeze the tea for emergencies.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You didn’t have flu.

        • Ron Roy

          Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins: Curing the Incurablehttp://www.whale.to/a/levy4.html

          • Demaris Forsythe

            OH, look, the moron links whale.to. What a fuckwit.

          • joe

            THAT is his favourite site, run by a pig farmer.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Naturally!

          • Ron Roy

            There’s nothing ” natural ” about you and joe’s relationship.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Sadly, there’s plenty that is natural about your idiocy, Ronnie Boy.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You seem jealous, sweet cheeks. Lonely, are you?

          • AutismDadd

            Yea visions of zoo life

          • Ron Roy

            Biased against pig farmers are we? Is a pig farmer supposed to be stupid? What are your credentials? Oh you have none. Got it.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Nope. Biased against sources that are not credible or science-based.

          • Ron Roy

            No logical answer I see. You asked for links but when one is posted all you can do is come back with insults.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Whale.to is a joke, you ass, one of many you don’t get.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            No need for anything more.

      • joe

        All that Vitamin C does is create expensive urine.

        • Mollie Norris

          Learn some biochemistry.

          • joe

            Brain dead reply

          • Mollie Norris

            New Concepts in the Biology and Biochemistry of Ascorbic Acid NEJM
            http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198604033141407

            The Biochemical Functions of Ascorbic Acid Annual Review of Nutrition
            https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.nu.06.070186.002053?journalCode=nutr

            Cellular functions of ascorbic acid Harish Padh
            Biochemistry and Cell Biology, 1990, 68(10): 1166-1173, https://doi.org/10.1139/o90-173
            http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/o90-173

            Since the discovery of vitamin C, the number of its known biological functions is continually expanding. Both the names ascorbic acid and vitamin C reflect its antiscorbutic properties due to its role in the synthesis of collagen in connective tissues. Ascorbate acts as an electron-donor keeping iron in the ferrous state thereby maintaining the full activity of collagen hydroxylases; parallel reactions with a
            variety of dioxygenases affect the expression of a wide array of genes, for example via the HIF system, as well as via the epigenetic landscape of cells and tissues. In fact, all known physiological and biochemical functions of ascorbate are due to its action as an electron donor. The ability to donate one or two electrons makes AscH− an excellent reducing agent and antioxidant.
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3608474/

          • joe

            Nobody said that Vitamin C is not important, FACT is any person that has a healthy diet does not require Vitamin C supplements, THAT is the point, Hence by taking Vitamin C SUPPLEMENTS only results in expensive urine.

          • marie

            Well, i do know that vit C will prevent Scurvy and we need some for that, but only a very little like i think less than a hundred mg, but i read for health it is best to take more. Your body just pees out what it does not need. The thing is you really don’t know how much the body needs. It will vary. If you are sick then your body will need more., and with more toxins in the environment we need more. I would rather take more and pee out what i don’t need than to not take any and need it.

          • joe

            Each to his own, remember the liver and kidneys are there to remove toxins from our bodies.

          • Nim

            But, aluminum goes to the brain,….not the liver. Joe,….It is easy to see you have not done much real research on this topic. Sending you citations will do nothing,…you keep putting up your defenses and dismissing everything,….just like your friend Demaris,….So, if you TRULY are interested and want to educate yourself, YOU have to do that, not have people send you things you will not believe anyway. Go to the sites: Learn the Risk,……VacTruth,…..NVIC,……google: Childhood leukemia and vaccines,…….Childhood cancer and vaccines,……Girls injured by Gardasil,…….Dr. Suzanne Humphries, (she has some good informational videos on You Tube) Look up The History of Polio and the Polio Vaccine,…..You have to go on this journey to find out the truth,….having people spoon feed you citations is a waste of time for them and you. Put “Hope From Holly” in your search bar. A beautiful, healthy 5 year old girl, needing shots for kindergarten,…..6 hours after she was injected, she was on life support……If you DON’T want to know the truth, keep your head in the sand and listen to Demaris,…..If you DO, start reading…….

          • joe

            “vactruth” oh lord I can’t stop laughing, “Suzanne Humphries” I refuse to call her a Dr, she was banned from coming to Australia because we know what she is. Ha Ha. I Do NOT listen to Demaris, I have read from the RIGHT sources but it is obvious that you have not.

          • joe

            “It is easy to see you have not done much real research on this topic”——-So pray tell where are your research papers so that I can read them.

          • joe

            To start, Dr Humphries belabors the fact that measles deaths declined
            prior the introduction of the measles vaccine and implies that the
            vaccine was therefore unnecessary. While measles case-fatality rates
            were indeed falling in high income countries like the US and UK from the
            1900s until the 1960s due to improvements in living conditions and
            medical care, the disease incidence remained virtually unchanged until the introduction of the vaccine. In fact, almost everyone caught measles before the age of 15 at the time. The vaccine brought about a more than 90% reduction in disease incidence in a matter of a few years:

          • joe
          • AutismDadd

            So you are a member of American Loons?

          • joe

            No stupid, my name is not Suzanne Humphries.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Unless you have a medical examiner’s report, you have no idea if someone died from a vaccine. Humphries? She’s never conducted or published a single study. She’s a fucking loon. The sites you are bellowing about are laughable. Not one of them is credible. There is NO evidence that vaccines cause cancer and the research has already shown that the Gardasil vaccine is quite safe. None of the adverse events occurred more frequently in those who got the vaccine than in the general population.

          • Nim

            Of course he would say that,……He truly did NOT know anything about Vitamin C!

          • joe

            And you do? Ha Ha.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Tell us ALL about your educational background, Nimrod.

          • Nim

            Oh,……Demaris,…..The immature name caller! Ahaha,ha,ha! So very, very predictable, Demaris is! He calls people names, just like the big baby he is! Careful, everyone,……Demaris will follow you to your Facebook page or anywhere else he can,….lurk and stalk and call you names again! Ahaha,ha,ha! Demaris,….please go away, and find someone to inject you with something……Aha,ha,ha,ha…..cracking myself up! You are very entertaining, Demaris!

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I’m female, honey. And I call a spade a spade. You don’t have any education in science or medicine and have not a clue what you are babbling about.

          • AutismDadd

            Are you just under or just over 400 LBS?

          • joe

            Deflecting, why do you not answer the question.?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            As if YOU do?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Well?

          • bluewater

            35% FOOD GRADE HYDROGEN PEROXIDE can destroy Cancer .
            When the body has enough Vitamin C that it needs,the remaining is turned in HYDROGEN PEROXIDE. That is why high doses of ascorbic acid work so well in the body.
            The cure for the man made EBOLA which is nothing more than strong scurvy can be kiled with 1 gram of ascorbic acid every hours for a few hours and the patient will be normal .

          • Marie

            ALSO Olive Leaf will kill Ebola. Get a book on Olive Leaf on Amazon. Authors last name is Morton. Easy book to read and cheap paperback. Lists over 150 diseases it will kill. Buy some before they ban that too!!

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Bullshit.

          • bluewater

            he is the one who taught me much and I began juicing long time ago. If you remember THE JUICEMAN and JACK Lalane…both learned from him and made millions..did they give him the recognition…NO!!!!!

          • Agnosticator

            So you have no objection to those guys making millions?

          • bluewater

            The Juice man and Jack LaLane made millions while the man who did the research(like Nikola Tesla ) died poor and did something wonderful for humanity..I never stated anything about them being great for making millions.like so many others including fraudster Einstein,Bill Gates…stole from others

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You are a fucking moron. Ebola does not “kill Ebola,” you dimwit.

          • Agnosticator

            What in heaven’s name are you talking about? Where did you get that????

          • AutismDadd

            Yes from joe

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Tell me what educational background YOU have Mollifraud.

        • AutismDadd

          While you create manure

          • joe

            At least I don’t lie like you

    • EllyW

      Last I knew, the FDA was trying to make IV Vitamin C impossible to get. I don’t know the details or the outcome, but there was definitely a move to prevent doctors from being able to use this treatment option.

      As long as a person can swallow, oral Vitamin C can be given and will do some good. So will elderberry tea…

      • Marie

        I get health newsletters and i read recently that the FDA just recently banned IV Vit C. and that even hospitals are no longer allowed to use it. More money for the death-drug companies now.

        • Nim

          Exactly, Marie……If people are healthy,….less money for the pharmaceuticals.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Then you should be all for vaccines, as it’s far cheaper to prevent a disease than to treat one. Why are you so stupid?

      • Marie

        Yes it is true! Vit C IV has been recently banned and even hospitals are not allowed to use it. I get a lot of health newsletters and i read that.

        • Demaris Forsythe

          You read a lot of horse manure from anti-vaccine nutters and swallow every word because you have absolutely zero education beyond a high school diploma.

          • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

            Demaris: So now you want us all to believe that you are psychic? That you suddenly know the education level of others. Talk about a “nutter”.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You have a very limited vocabulary. “Psychic” seems to be your best epithet. If you were any dumber, someone would have to water you.

      • Nim

        I agree with you EllyW……

    • Agnosticator

      Anyone can take vitamin C any time they want to. Who is stopping them? Yes, there is some new evidence that it does prevent colds and upper respiratory infections.

    • Marie

      I recently read that the FDA just banned IV vitamin C and now even hospitals are not allowed to use it. Why? Cuz it WORKS!! I read they are going to ban homeopathic products too. They want us only on drugs. It’s insidious.

      • Demaris Forsythe

        Oh, brother. What a loon you are.

        • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

          And the loon calls others names. smh

          • Demaris Forsythe

            OH, you poor thing, you appear to be upset. Need a fainting couch and some smelling salts, Petunia?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Pot, meet kettle.

          • Ron Roy

            Introducing yourself to your own image in a mirror I see.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            No, sweetie. You don’t read very well, do you? Perhaps “The Editor” can help you. I doubt it, but in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

      • joe

        Yes it is about time Homeopathic products are banned as they are total B.S.

        • Nim

          And that’s why some scientists and doctors received the Nobel Prize for their research.

          • joe

            Research into what?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Do you know what a non sequitur is, dear?

          • joe

            Research into what?

        • Marie

          Slippery slope. Next will be the vitamins even the one a day ones, then the herbs, then the protein powders until all we have left are the ….drugs. Yes lets ban them all so we can all become sick and die.

          • joe

            Homeopathy has been debunked many times by people who are more educated than you or me. Tell me miss smarty pants, if you get diagnosed ( God forbid ) for a brain tumour who are you going to call, a Homeopath or a Brain surgeon?

      • FallsAngel

        Where’d you read such drivel?

        • AutismDadd

          skepticalraptor

    • Demaris Forsythe

      Because there is no evidence that it works, dimwit.

  • Paul Hayward

    Claims of safety have been made in the past on literally dozens of drugs and chemicals that were later withdrawn. Lawsuits were brought, judgements were paid, and non-disclosure agreements were signed on to by the victims – erasing any viable evidence that would serve as a warning to the Public of possible dangers involved. Only TIME will tell what the truth is – you will never get it from the drug manufacturers, and they will only stop gathering profits on any given compound when forced to. This system is barbaric, and takes complete advantage of the Public by way of omissions in the reporting of adverse events, and withholding of data that would be damaging to the potential sales of the compound involved. So much for “First Do No Harm”.

    • Amy Galando
      • Agnosticator

        The graph on that web site is extremely deceptive.
        You should read this: https://vicskeptics.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/analysis-of-anti-vax-graphs/

        • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

          Not true at all. Then you share a link from some silly blog to prove your point. Too funny.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            That you can’t refute a word of it shows just how lame an ass you are.

          • AutismDadd

            Dementia sharts again

          • Agnosticator

            He’s agreeing with me. Well-reasoned arguments, backed up with the facts, as best as we’ve got them, is all that should be used to make decisions. How else would you do that?
            Again, if you have a different argument, make it. Facts talk, BS walks, to paraphrase an expression from the 80’s.

          • AutismDadd

            Do some research

          • Agnosticator

            That’s what I spend my working life doing…

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            so you work for who exactly? Is that why you are posting non-stop and trying, unsuccesfully i might add, to deny investigations into the scams run by the pharmaceutical industry? https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/

          • Agnosticator

            Does it matter who I work for? Facts are facts.
            You might also be interested in the concerns raised about Dr. David Lewis, his commericial interests, his relation to the disgraced Andrew Wakefield and his serious conflicts of interests in all of this: https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2014/09/11/an-open-letter-to-the-national-whistleblowers-center-david-lewis-and-the-outing-of-a-cdc-whistleblower/
            Just because someone seems to have a distinguished career does not mean he or she is above criticism. Otherwise, it’s just an “appeal to authority” argument, which is generally a poor one.
            Still, I have not examined his claims in detail and I’ll reserve further comment on this until I do.

          • AutismDadd

            A shill site?

          • AutismDadd

            Could have fooled me.

          • Agnosticator

            I don’t see how. You haven’t presented any research you’ve done.

          • Ron Roy

            Aw joe and Demaris upvoted Agnosticator isn’t that sweet. A threesome maybe?

          • AutismDadd

            At the trough that is

          • joe

            Poor Ronny suffering from upvote envy.

          • Agnosticator

            Thank you… I totally agree.

        • AutismDadd

          trash

          • Agnosticator

            So, why is it trash? Just because you think it’s wrong? Because it disagrees with your beliefs? Tell me why the explanation as to why the graph is misleading is “trash”. Otherwise, you might as well believe in ghosts, vampires, hobgoblins and werewolves. It’s easy to misrepresent facts and in this case, they were misrepresented.

          • AutismDadd

            That whole piece is simply an attempt to confuse the issue. Obviously in your case it worked.

          • Agnosticator

            Not good enough. If by “confuse the issue” you mean “tell me things that conflict with my belief system” then I guess it has done that for you.
            Tell me specifically why that web page is wrong. If you can’t then you clearly don’t understand these issues well enough to comment on them.

          • AutismDadd

            Yawn. If you don’t agree with me you’re wrong….if you don’t explain you’re wrong.

          • Agnosticator

            Wow.
            Yes, I don’t agree with you. I think, on this, you’re wrong. If you thing you’re right and I’m wrong, tell me why. It’s simple. Why are you unwilling to do that? If you refuse, I have no choice but to assume I’m right. Why should I just take your word for it?

          • AutismDadd

            You’re going to assume either way so ready, set, go

          • Agnosticator

            Another refusal even to try to tell me why you’re right. Can’t do it I guess.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            The clue for the clueless is in this sentence: “Their death rates all declined just the same, over the same period.” DEATH RATES, dears. Death rates declined because of improved medical care. MORBIDITY did NOT decline for measles or polio until a vaccine for each was implemented. And that is why the incidence of polio and measles did NOT decline simultaneously. DUH.

          • AutismDadd

            Yea Duh Dementia

          • AutismDadd

            Can’t be bothered to butt heads. Life is too short.

          • Agnosticator

            Fair enough – you don’t have to if you don’t want to. Nonetheless, if you do want to assert something about vaccines, their safety and efficacy, please let’s discuss it solely based on the facts as best we know them.

          • AutismDadd

            Simple. Read the NVICP decisions and if you disagree with them call Donald or tweet him.

          • Agnosticator

            As I re-read this response, I was kinda surprised by it. Isn’t that why you’re here in the first place?

          • AutismDadd

            Nope.

      • Demaris Forsythe

        You source sucks. Try to read something that is based on real science and not lies. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vaccines-didnt-save-us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/

        • AutismDadd

          A shill site for sure

        • AutismDadd

          Dementia means CDC/Pharma science

    • AutismDadd

      It has changed to “First admit no harm”.

    • AutismDadd

      WARNING: FDA APPROVED!

  • http://iamajuicer.wordpress.com/ Lee Stevenson

    If vaccines were effective and safe then why are they protected from liability. That in itself is and admission they are harmful. The proof is they vaccine compensation fund set up by our government. Most do not know how to identify the subtle signs of vaccine injury like sudden behavior changes, allergies, constant colds and infections, they develop food intolerance, they will not engage people as much. The list goes on and on.

    • Mollie Norris

      Just
      Unsuccessful Modern Medical Miracles: The Fraud Behind the
      Polio and Smallpox Vaccines
      https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1424/518cce4ee7c43cd98892446a1350d44b7371.pdf

      http://
      Polio: The Disease, the Vaccine and the Controversies
      http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Polio-The-Disease-the-Vaccine-and-the-Controversies

      • Demaris Forsythe

        Ahahaha. What a stupid sucker you are. Dumb as a rock. You probably think there are “chemtrails,” too.

        • AutismDadd

          ADJUVANT 65

    • Marie

      I also read that the reason some children are allergic to peanuts is due to the peanut oil put in the childrens vaccines. It does not belong in the blood stream and the body starts attacking it and causing a peanut allergy.

      • AutismDadd

        Look up SQUALENE oil ingredients

        • Marie

          I will look that up tonite. It makes sense then.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Have you “looked up” credible info about peanut oil yet, you nimrod?

          • AutismDadd

            MERCK adjuvant 65-4 you twerp

      • Demaris Forsythe

        There has NEVER been any peanut oil in a vaccine.

      • joe

        Total B.S.

        • AutismDadd

          Yes you do have quite an aroma. Look up ADJUVANT 65 clown

          • Marie

            Yep! There it is – peanut oil in vaccines! I stand by my statement that peanuts “allergies” are caused from an immune response from the Peanut oil in vaccines. I don’t believe they have been removed. And Demaris F you are now on my ignore list. I do not reply to dumbed down idiots anymore.

          • AutismDadd

            They deny and deny yet in 1964 Merck created adjuvant 65-4 and used it.

          • Marie

            Well, then i am glad my son only had one DPT shot in 1971 or he too could have had peanut allergies. He was very sick with a high fever for 4 days. I never took him back to the doctor again, and in those days it was EASY as things were not so controlled. I found an old female doctor and i only took him there when he was sick. No “well baby” checkups back then. And who the hell ever heard of taking a child to the doctor when child was well? The reason is to make them SICK with their poison vaccines. Back then we only went to the doctor when sick. , but they have us so brainwashed now that people believe they have to take child to doctors when they are “well”. My girlfriend 20 yrs ago took her 14 yr old son to the doctor cuz he had a cold. The doctor told the mom to leave the room. She stupidly did., and when the son came out he told the mom the doctor gave him a vaccine!! Boy, was she pissed. You can’t trust these people at all !!

          • AutismDadd

            WOW We had a doctor who served in the army. He told my Mom to never vaccinate our youngest brother.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Did you even make it through high school? You’re an imbecile.

          • AutismDadd

            At least she knows vaccines contained peanut oil you ignorant sow.

          • AutismDadd

            And do you notice I’m not attacked or called a liar ?

          • Marie

            There is SO much proof that vaccines are dangerous. Only the blind cannot see. I think though that it is denial cuz they don’t want to believe that the doctors and System would poison, harm, contaminate us. They are watering down the gene pool. The are making humans weaker physically and mentally. I bet in the future everyone will be very sickly and not live long. And what else is in the vaccines? Is there a chip in one? Are babies being chipped at birth now without us knowing? How would we know? Would a scanner pick one up? They are also changing our DNA.

          • AutismDadd

            We have done too well. Over population is the result. Yet they still want to promote more ways to save lives. They may well be using stealth to cause fertility issues, because straight forward birth control isn’t working.

          • Marie

            Yes i do believe that we are overpopulated. , but i read that most of it is from the middle east, and that Europe and the U.S. are like 2 billion and the rest is in the middle east. The other problem is that those people are having like 4-6 children while Americans and Europe are having one child and less than two. The muslims will outnumber us in a hundred years. Birth control is not working. That is so true. They may be adding drugs to vaccines to make them infertle. I do not believe that the earth can sustain more than 7 billion people. I think we just passed 7.5 recently. There were 3 billion when i was growing up in the 60’s. So we are doubling in one lifetime. So in my sons life it will be 14 billion? I don’t think “they” will allow that to happen and the earth cannot sustain all those people anyway. The biggest problem will be lack of water….already now we are having problems. War and disease will cut back the population. I think it’s the only way. Even China now is letting people there have 2 kids instead of the one.

          • joe

            still lying

          • AutismDadd

            Adjuvant 65-4 Merck 1964 Made with peanut oil lying joe.

          • joe

            MYTH 4: Peanut oil in vaccinations causes peanut allergy.

            Peanut oil is not an ingredient in any US licensed vaccine listed by the Centers for the Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
            There is no research that supports a causative relationship between
            vaccinations and peanut allergies. In fact, Children’s Hospital of
            Philadelphia (CHOP) specifically states on their Vaccination Education
            Center website that peanut oil, as some people suggest, is not used as a part of vaccinations. The CDC provide excellent information on vaccines at their website, especially regarding their benefits, ingredients, and safety. http://nationalpeanutboard.org/wellness/5-myths-about-peanuts.htm

          • AutismDadd

            Nice try. MERCK made an adjuvant in 1964 which included peanut oil. FACT

          • AutismDadd

            Yea the hospital Offit works at, ha ha ha

          • joe

            You see, there is no peanut oil in any vaccines. How do I know? Vaccine manufacturers are required, by law, to disclose every single ingredient in every single vaccine
            — even if the amount actually present is so teeny tiny as to be
            essentially absent. If the vaccine manufacturers are willing and able
            to tell you that they used formaldehyde and bovine serum to create a
            vaccine (which sound scary, but actually are not),
            then why in the world would they feel the need to hide peanut oil as an
            ingredient. I mean peanut oil at least sounds pretty benign in
            comparison, right? Chick Fill-A proudly cooks their fries in it. It
            does not make any rational sense why anyone would fail to disclose
            peanut oil in vaccines — well, unless of course, there is no peanut oil in vaccines. http://thevaccineadvocate.com/2014/09/17/vaccines-and-allergies-the-one-does-not-cause-the-other/

          • AutismDadd

            That’s another lie from joe

          • Ron Roy

            They are not required to list the ingredients of the growth mediums.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Now Roy…nice assertion….let’s see what the US law says….

            Any and all substances must be listed…this is very clear:
            https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=201&showFR=1&subpartNode=21:4.0.1.1.2.1

            W&N

          • joe

            That study is over 50 years old.GET REAL.

          • AutismDadd

            Swerve swerve swerve

          • AutismDadd

            Its not a study it was an invention…face palm

          • tomonthebay

            It was used in an experimental vaccine but was never licensed for use in the U.S. and never used in any vaccine here.

          • AutismDadd

            Sure thing tom. Yet we have to listen to the lies about it NEVER existing and NEVER being used. And what EXPERIMENTAL vaccine and how big a disaster was it?

          • tomonthebay

            What part of never licensed don’t you understand? I don’t see where anyone said it never existed. No vaccine licensed and distributed in the U.S (or any other country that I am aware of) ever contained it. Lots and lots of things go in to experimental drugs that never get approved or used.

          • AutismDadd

            That YOU are aware of…red flag. It was in a flu vaccine. Yet I wonder why its use would be stopped. Oh and the thing about being allowed to protect proprietary property by NOT listing actual ingredients might be why we have this confusion. So what happens to experimental drugs tom? How are they experimental if not used?

          • tomonthebay

            I am not up on drug products used outside the U.S. All ingredients are BY LAW required to be listed for drug products distributed in the U.S. As to experimental vaccines that don’t get approved/marketed, the only use (if it gets that far) is in small-scale clinical trials. This peanut allergies are caused by vaccines nonsense is just that as no vaccine in the U.S. contains ANY peanut oil or peanut oil derivative.

          • AutismDadd

            Well we’re moving at a snail’s pace, so you say used in clinical trials, but never used. Interesting. You claim ALL ingredients are listed but that may be incorrect. Do any vaccines contain any nut or legume oil that you know of or will lie about?

          • tomonthebay

            They are used in testing. They are not sold or made available to the general public unless/until they pass thru the approval process and are licensed.

          • AutismDadd

            Like thimerosal was?

          • tomonthebay

            No, thimerosal was a preservative that has been used, and its presence was, surprise, surprise, listed.

          • AutismDadd

            But never adequately safety tested, so anytime Pharma wants it can skirt regulations in some manner regardless of what some paragraph says in a book.

          • tomonthebay

            Still no valid evidence that thimerosal in the levels found in injectable drugs is any threat.

          • AutismDadd

            Has it EVER been adequately tested?

          • tomonthebay

            yes

          • AutismDadd

            A lie

          • AutismDadd

            Well since NOTHING vaccine related is ever considered harmful its full steam ahead on the adjuvants then.

          • AutismDadd

            What vaccine? And how can you prove it was never used?

          • tomonthebay

            What vaccine? You are the one screeching that it is or has been an adjuvant in vaccines used in the U.S. It was only used in an experimental vaccine that was never sold. It was never licensed.

          • AutismDadd

            patents.google/patent/us3149036 Well it doesn’t launch, but there it is, Merck’s adjuvant with peanut oil. The patent has been referenced in 42 newer patents over 54 years, indicating its likely been used. When you read the patent information, you also get that impression.

          • tomonthebay

            Likely being used? Not here. By the way, most patents never result in a marketed product.

          • AutismDadd

            Sure tom and I’m Batman.

          • tomonthebay

            Again, what part of not licensed for use in the U.S. don’t you get?

          • AutismDadd

            What part of proprietary secrets don’t you get?

          • tomonthebay

            Doesn’t cover what has to be listed on a drug. From the Code of Federal Regulations:
            iii) Trace amounts of harmless substances added solely for individual product identification need not be named. If it is intended for administration by parenteral injection, the quantity or proportion of all inactive ingredients, except that ingredients added to adjust the pH or to make the drug isotonic may be declared by name and a statement of their effect; and if the vehicle is water for injection it need not be named.
            Those are the only exceptions to what HAS to be listed.

          • AutismDadd

            You certainly are clueless. So you claim its harmless just like you all claim mercury, aluminum hydroxide and formaldehyde are then you don’t have to list it. Thanks for clarifying that.

          • tomonthebay

            Adjuvants don’t fall in the category of what can not be listed. They must be listed as they have a function in the formulation. In fact, they can be classified as active ingredients and ALL active ingredients MUST be listed by law.

          • AutismDadd

            Whose LAW would that be? Corporate Law that see’s Merck executives avoid prison by settling out of court over vioxx ? Or maybe the whole 1986 package giving them near blanket immunity from litigation?

        • AutismDadd

          joe? No reaction to Adjuvant 65-4 made by MERCK? You know the PEANUT OIL ADJUVANT!!!!!!!!

    • AutismDadd

      And there are 19 countries with compensation programs, leaving hundreds with none. When we are fed vaccine injury stats where are the ones from countries with no programs?

    • Agnosticator

      I explained that elsewhere on this thread. Of course people get hurt from vaccines, but many, many more are helped and they are all invisible because they get to live normal lives. Nothing to point to – you don’t even know who they are.

      • http://iamajuicer.wordpress.com/ Lee Stevenson

        How much did you get paid to state that or are you really that blind to the fake science behind vaccinations?

        • Agnosticator

          Of course I’m not paid to do this. It would a really crappy and discouraging job. I am offended personally by wild statements having no substantiation passed off as gospel. What actual properly done peer reviewed scientific work is there that substantiates what you are saying?

      • Marie

        Russian Roulette. So people are taking a chance and hoping THEIR kid does not get autism or crib death. Not me. My son got one vaccine and got so sick i never gave him another.

        • Demaris Forsythe

          SIDS rates have dropped ever since the “Back to Sleep” campaign. SIDS rates are halved in vaccinated children. Not a single valid study has shown a link between vaccines and autism. Just exactly what happened to your son?

          • AutismDadd

            So? Your opinion means nothing.

        • AutismDadd

          Vaccine Roulette. Don’t bring the Russians into this.

        • Agnosticator

          Without vaccines all parents are playing Russian roulette anyway only with way worse odds. How stupid is that?

      • AutismDadd

        So a woman in 2017 was compensated 11.6 MILLION by NVICP for a flu vac ADVERSE REACTION. Wow sore arms and headaches are quite profitable.

      • Marie

        Vaccine children who lead “normal” lives? Hmmm, lets see….more earaches, more asthma, more chest colds, more diabetes, more learning disabilities, more autism….yeah real normal lives. I get it.

    • Marie

      Vaccine injuries can be very subtle. It is insidious. We can’t pinpoint the illness to the vaccines and that’s the plan.

      • AutismDadd

        True. And when government protects the industry and is involved in manufacturing and promotion, the government spin doctors work over time to create fake information that is presented as non-fraudulent science

      • Demaris Forsythe

        AHAHAHA. You nitwit. “Subtle” as in non-existent.

  • jessica

    I’m totally against vaccines, but I’m equally against lies. PROVE that 44,000+ people have died of the flu. That’s a flat lie. You can’t fight poison with lies.

    • Agnosticator

      According to the CDC (https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html), it looks like there have been a little over 3,000 deaths from influenza in the US this season. You have to download the data, then sum the values for “NUM INFLUENZA DEATHS” to get a number of 3141 through mid January. That’s probably about half the season, so the number should at least double by the end of the flu season.
      Worldwide, the number is probably a lot higher, maybe even close to the 44,000 figure.

      • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

        CDC is a private corporation, who cares what they say?? Why don’t they worry that the one cause of death in America that is higher than all their cited figures for epidemics, drug crisis’, pandemics, heart disease, cancer (curable), is simple DOCTOR/HOSPITAL ERROR??
        America is controlled by corporations and banks who run the govt. This form of govt, corporatism NOT a Representative govt. is commonly referred to as fascism. Americans are too stupid to understand they live in a fascist state.

        • Marie

          I hate this century! I call the time we are living in “the age of poison”. I want to go back to the 1500’s in Europe and sit with the poets and writers and drink red wine and eat cheese, bread and grapes, go to bed drunk and content, get up and do it all over again……..

          • Agnosticator

            You do know, don’t you, what the average life expectancy was back then, right? Most children died before they were 5. Many women died in childbirth. The plague come back again and again. Smallpox was rampant. It’s been estimated that North and South America together were the home of nearly 70 million native peoples. Within 100 years, long before large scale conquest of the Americas, the estimates are that the population was down to around 5% of the original 70 million, or about 3.5 million. Early explorers of the Mississippi reported numerous villages up and down the river. By 1600, they were all gone. That’s what smallpox does in very vulnerable populations who had never been exposed to it and therefore had little or no natural immunity. For Europeans, who had already gone through multiple smallpox epidemics, the death rate was much lower and didn’t destroy whole societies, but even that death rate was horrendous.
            So enjoy your red wine and your cheese and your bread and your grapes in the 1500’s for as long as you can. You may not have been able to do it over again.
            I suspect you may not like the CDC, but you should read this anyway:
            https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm

          • Marie

            I do know a lot of that, but still i would trade this century for another in a heartbeat. The whole earth now is poisoned – the air, the water, the food. The plants and animals are dying. There is aluminum in our water, creeks, rivers, streams, heavy metals in the air from Nano aluminum, barium and strontium. Our food is contaminated, GMO, pesticides, Nano particulates on the veggies which i have read are hard to wash off. The heavy metal nano particles pass right thro the blood/brain barrier and are giving us more Alzheimers at an earlier age. The ozone is going, it’s only 1/4 inch thick. The suns radiation is harming the plant life and the animal life. See http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org. They are fracking and taking the oil out of the earth creating earthquakes and contaminating the water. We are NOT free at all. We think we are. We are conditioned, propagandized and brainwashed to believe government is our only God. They are destroying our History – wiping it out at every turn. They are changing our very own history books. They are feeding us poisoned food so we will be weaker mentally and physically. We are being hit from all sides every minute of the day. Due to HAARP and also the cell phone towers we are bombarded with harmful frequencies to our brains. It is so subtle. We cannot see it or feel it, and if we get enraged or depressed or suicidal it could very well be the frequencies that are hitting our brain all the time. Wifi is very dangerous to our brain too. We have very little freedom and more is taken away day by day. It is a struggle to stay alive and healthy. Our children are subjected to poison vaccines in order to dumb them down and make them sicker as they grow up. We have NO choice in whether we want our children to be shot up or not. We must blindly accept what the government tells us. THIS is freedom? THIS is the world you like to live in? No, not for me. I am stuck here, but i do not have to like it or agree that it is “ok’. We are also being trained to totally depend upon technology for practically everything. We ARE losing our humanity. This is the PLAN tho. In the future we will be controlled by….frequencies. Enjoy the next ten yrs cuz time is very short and we and the earth are not going to be here much longer. The earth is dying! Yes, take me back to the 1500’s. I may live a short life, but i will live a FREE life and free of manmade poison especially falling from the sky 24/7. Go outside at nite in the darkest part of your yard, shine a strong flashlite up, look about 2-3 inches above the light. You will see thousands of tiny nano particulates swirling about in the air – the air that we BREATHE! This stuff is NOT supposed to be in the air that we breathe! It is killing us slowly. If i had a time machine yes i would go back in time in a NY minute!

          • Demaris Forsythe

            How can anybody be as completely idiotic as you are?

          • joe

            Could be Autimdad’s sister?

          • joe

            Could be Autismdad’s sister?

        • Agnosticator

          The CDC is part of the government. It is not a private corporation but rather under the US Department of Health and Human Services.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            U R wrong-sorry.Dunn&Bradstreet& Manta and other business listing sites say otherwise. Anticorriptionsociety.com for anyone w/a brain who is tired office lies.

          • Agnosticator

            No, you are wrong. Try going to Dun and Bradstreet and search for “US House of Representatives” in the District of Columbia. You will get listings for it. Would you try to tell me that that means the the US House of Representatives is a private company? Use your head.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            Yes/govt is a corporation-see US-code

          • Agnosticator

            Where do you see that? I don’t.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            There appears to be quite a bit you don’t see. Search engine not working, all 100 of them? Yes most churches are corporations too, 501c3. Courts are as well which is why they do not go by the Constitution but UCC aka Universal Commercial Code. For those of you reading along who want to know why this country is so off and are not hopelessly brainwashed w/the disease of know-it-all-ism (when one knows it all, They can never learn anything):
            28 U.S. Code 15) “United States” means—
            (A) a Federal corporation;
            (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
            (C) an instrumentality of the United States.
            https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002
            Search:
            Organic Act of 1877 (or 1871)Constitution OF United States replaced corporation FOR the United States.
            Govts don’t declare bankruptcy, corporations do. 1933 declaration of bankruptcy. F.D.R.Gold confiscation…..

          • Demaris Forsythe

            It’s not a for-profit entity, you moronic clown.

          • Agnosticator

            Similarly, if you go to Manta.com and search for “Federal Bureau of Investigation” near Washington DC, you will get at least three listings. Does that mean the FBI is a private company. Of course not. Give me a break. You’ve been taken in by a shady web site trying to make trouble. Russians? Who can know for certain, but whenever you can validate the data or the method, you should at least do that before believing what you have been told.

          • john vieira

            You’re dealing with an “industry troll”….and do not forget that the mainstream media is corrupt and are on their side…hence the growing voices of dissent are being drowned out, even those emanating from credible sources. There are many 1/2 truths in this beings comments…which are whole lies…par for the course…Albeit the people they should be debating with…the researchers and medics on the “other side”…they are NOT…and are just “blustering” and bullying…anyway…check the names of some of the top CDC people…might be “educational”….

          • Agnosticator

            I am not a “troll”, industry or otherwise. This is my personal opinion and my personal account. Also, I’m not simply a “being” (suggesting, what, a bot?). I’m a male human, age 68, resident of a small east coast city.
            It’s easy to delegitimize someone just by calling him a troll, but I disagree vehemently with the point of view expressed in this article. If you don’t like that, well I’m sorry – don’t read what I have to say. You will probably be the more ignorant for it, though. If you do read it and consider it, in return, I’ll try to listen to what you say. I’m not too likely to agree, though, if it’s anything like the article above. I will always argue on the facts, not generalizations.
            Your post does not even contain half truths. It contains nothing factual – it is a series of unfounded generalizations. Surely you can do better than that?

          • john vieira

            Argue on facts??? The fact is that there is a growing opposition that is claiming “other facts”…and they are as adept as you…and some are even better…they compare what you and your compatriots ‘claim’ vs the actual research findings….and some of the ‘omissions’ in the comparisons are not favourable to your argument….and lying is definitely not beyond the capabilities of the greedy people involved…the landscape is littered with their honesty…literally.

          • Agnosticator

            You say “the fact is..” as a preface to a statement that has no support. Who are you talking about, what are these people asserting, and what actual science is there to substantiate what they say?

          • john vieira

            Pack it in…. “he doth protest to much”…you are either and idiot or the “troll” I called you before…

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            Thanks. Yeah I know, I’m not trying to convince him or anything. He’s probably paid quite well. I post into for anyone who might actually believe this clown. The info is there and they can look it up for themselves. Thanks again……

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You are dumb as a box of rocks. The CDC is a government agency. That is NOT what you are finding on Dun and Bradstreet, numbnuts.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            Yiu cannot take millions upon millions of dollars from pharmaceutical companies,which makes up a large percentage of your operating revenues (esp in vaccine promotion) and still call yourself a neutral “govt” agency “. The REAL WORLD doesnt work that way Einstein. At least not for those of us who have a functioning brain. Sorry kid, try again on your next trolling mission, this one is an utter fail. https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2015/05/revelations-cdcs-industry-funding-raise-questions-about-some-its-decisions

          • Demaris Forsythe

            The CDC is a government agency, you fuckwit. It doesn’t get revenue from pharma, dumbass.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I would LOVE to know what your educational background is, dear. Did you earn a degree in a hard science? From what institution? What is your profession? Oh, wait. Someone who can’t spell “sophisticated” isn’t likely to have much in the way of higher education. So, what then? Community college? Tech school?

          • Ron Roy

            And just what level of education do you have Demerit?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            A master’s degree. And you? Do tell me what you studied and where.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I wonder, Ronnie Boy, are you married? For how long?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            WELL? You’ve had 24 hours to respond. What’s the delay, cupcake? What is your educational background?

          • Ron Roy

            If you tell me yours I’ll tell you mine. As I shuffle my feet blushingly.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I told you mine.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Nope. You are truly ignorant. You have no idea what kinds of entities Dun and Bradstreet lists, honey. I’m sorry you’re so dumb. It’s sad, really.

          • AutismDadd

            oink oink, understand?

      • Mollie Norris

        I you dig a little deeper, you’ll find that, like polio, testing for the specific virus is rare. Diagnoses are based primarily on symptoms, which are common to many viruses.

        • Agnosticator

          Yes, that is true. I’m aware of that. Have you got a better method? Who would you suggest pay for it?

          • Mollie Norris

            The method that’s been proven best is healthy living; clean water, nutritional food, unpolluted environment.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Baloney, like every other post.

      • Alber Arunee

        CDC = Centers for Deception and Corruption.

        Are US flu death figures more PR than science?
        http://www.bmj.com/content/331/7529/1412

        Erwin Alber

        • Agnosticator

          Ok, then. Presumably this means you think the statistics are suspect. Find me a better source.

        • Agnosticator

          I’m still waiting for a better source of statistics than the CDC. Have you got one?

  • Josh Tolley

    The News media is hooked on drugs, and that is pharmaceutical advertisement dollars. So the media wont bite the hand that feeds them.

  • Bev Cotter

    How can this article be true when there is a lie in the second sentence? I don’t see how that total number of deaths can be correct when my state of NC only has 140 flu deaths for this whole season. I looked at the article’s source for this and don’t see that 44,116 number anywhere. The source does say, “A total of 17,101 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported between October 1, 2017 and February 3, 2018.” If this is true, it is not possible that there have been 44,116 deaths. I’m not saying the flu isn’t dangerous or the vaccines are a good idea. I haven’t been vaccinated myself, but articles like this just spread lies and hysteria.

    • cfraun

      I believe that 44,000 number is world-wide, not just for the U.S.

      • Alber Arunee

        They’re just figures drawn out of a hat or gleaned from gazing into a crystal ball. It’s commonly known as “creative accounting.”

        Never believe or trust anything provided or recommended by the CDC = Centers for Deception and Corruption

        Erwin Alber

    • Alber Arunee

      YourNewsWire is known to be a source of fake news

      Erwin Alber

    • Mollie Norris

      It’s very unusual to test for the presence of flu virus. The vast majority of reported casesare non-influenza viral infections.

      • Demaris Forsythe

        No, it is not “unusual” to test for it. Stop lying.

  • cfraun

    I agree that the flu vaccine is worthless, and I refuse to get one. However, the last paragraph states that the flu is a preventable infection. Really? It spreads like wildfire through schools and the general population. You would have to stay home all winter in isolation to avoid all flu germs that are out there! So, I’d like to know what the author meant by that phrase.

    • Alber Arunee

      I have never had a flu shot yet I haven’t had a flu in years. I just live healthy and trust my immune system to look after me. What’s wrong with getting the flu anyway? If one is in reasonable health it’s not a problem, and if one is unhealthy the flu or the vaccine can be dangerous and possibly life-threatening.

      Erwin Alber

      • Marie

        Go get some Oregano oil at the health store or from Amazon. It will protect you and help cure the flu or a head cold even. Tastes god awful!!! You may gag. Put a drop or two on a tiny piece of bread, roll into a ball and swallow with lots of water and maybe eat a piece of candy after or chew gum cuz it’s awful, but i think way better than getting the flu.

        • Demaris Forsythe

          Oregano oil isn’t going to prevent flu or a cold.

        • Marie

          I couldn’t find Demaris F. post here, but i think he said something about Oregano oil won’t cure the flu. I don’t know from experience that it will work. I just read that it’s supposed to work. BUT i just got over a TWO day flu, well, the first was the worst. Day 2 and 3 better each day. What i CAN say is that Olive leaf tea cured my flu. I was sickest the first day only. Tue nite i got chills and aches. Took a hot bath. Did not help. Still cold. prob had a slight fever, but battery out on thermoniter so didn’t take. I stated to drink/sip olive leaf tea all nite when i slept and kept waking up. Wed. no chills, no aches. Felt real tired and weak tho. Kept drinking the olive leaf tea. (slow cook leaves in crockpot for 12 hrs.) No more fever. Thurs. 90 percent better. Friday 100 percent better. It was not a cold. No stuffy nose, no runny nose, no chest congestion, no cough. I prob picked up the flu from touching dirty money or breathing air in public. News said if you are standing 3-6 ft away and someone has the flu or a cold and they cough or sneeze – you get it. I would suggest holding the breath and walking away fast.On the radio today i heard them say that there is NO cure for the flu. This is a LIE! The drug companies want all the money. If anyone wants the recipe for olive leaf tea i can give it. I buy the whole leaves on Amazon cheap. They also have a small paperback book on it cheap. Not just for flu. Many other diseases. So i don’t know from experience abt Oregano, but i do know from experience about olive leaf.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You didn’t have the flu if you were only sick for two fucking days, you moron

    • Marie

      Gee. I have the news on now and they just announced that the flu is on the rise!!! So much for the shots eh?

    • Mollie Norris

      He meant that vaccinated children shed the strain of virus used in the vaccine for up to a month after they’re vaccinated and infect others.
      Don’t waste your time on trolls – they have no credibility.

      • Demaris Forsythe

        YOu’re the only troll here, you moron. Vaccine shedding even from “live,” attenuated vaccines has never caused an outbreak of disease.

  • Омаров

    A universal vaccine against influenza can not in principle be, because the virus is constantly mutating. Therefore, vaccination is often useless.
    Only the strengthening of human immunity solves the problem of countering influenza and other diseases. Simple vitamin C – ascorbic acid, increases immunity. Therefore, it is necessary to take more often, and in case of illness, even in large quantities, so that the body effectively counteracts the virus.

    • Agnosticator

      Yes, it is continuously mutating, but there are core molecular components that are stable. Making a vaccine against these is much more difficult, but such a vaccine would, at least in theory, be effective over time.

      • Омаров

        The fact is that the evolution of living beings does not stand still, there are constant changes, and for one person’s life it can be unnoticeable. That is why all experiments are conducted on organisms with fast generation, and then the results are tried to be for a person, but not always this is true. Therefore, theoretical attainability for man is a conditional thing. Natural experiments for the last 100 years show both rapid positive results and inconsistency of the results. Positive results often lead to even greater problems. For example, addiction to antibiotics forces a person to take even stronger antibiotics. So with vaccination against the flu.
        The organism is exposed to thousands of microorganisms for only one day, and it is impossible to come up with a vaccine against everyone. Therefore, it seems to me that it is worth working on strengthening the immunity of a person. After all, the disease begins when the pathogens penetrate immunity – the human defensive weapon. Of course, for serious heavy pathogens like plague, smallpox, cholera, immunity may not protect. But the flu can and must be defeated by the body. On my own example, I can say that the psychological mood: not to be ill, to resist the flu, – works 100%.

        • Agnosticator

          I entirely agree that living things do not, in general, stand still. Any change that humans make to protect themselves against attack by anything, including viruses, is likely to produce a reaction from those organisms. It is the arms race of evolution and nothing will change that.
          I would argue, also, that it is not possible to become addicted to antibiotics, unless you mean in the sociological sense that we use them when they are not necessary which contributes to their reduced effectiveness (and eventual failure) when they are truly needed.
          Finally, I agree that the best route is to strengthen the immune system. That is precisely what vaccines do. Of course we are exposed to hundreds of thousands of microscopic organism every day, but most of them do not produce disease, at least in people with normally-functioning immune systems and thus no vaccine would be needed. Even for many disease organisms, it is not necessary to vaccinate as the body’s response is rapid enough (or the organism multiplies slowly enough) that immunity can develop that removes or inactivates the pathogen. Alternatively, the disease, like the common cold, is mild enough that a vaccine isn’t warranted.

          Some viruses, however, are uncommon in the environment and have evolved to replicate much more rapidly than the time it takes the immune system to produce a large enough response. That length of time is usually several weeks. Vaccines expose the immune system to the pathogens in a way that is safe for the vast majority of people so that it is ready to mount a full response as soon as the real virus shows up.
          Plague is an example of something that multiplies very rapidly. It is not common today and can quickly be cured by antibiotics, so a vaccine is not needed. Cholera is readily eliminated by improving sanitation. Smallpox has been virtually eliminated by vaccination – training the immune system to recognize it. Smallpox appears to be one of those viruses that is extremely stable – it mutates little if at all and vaccination confers lifetime immunity. That is why the smallpox vaccine has been so effective and why smallpox has been essentially eliminated, since it can only survive in human hosts. It is one of the few diseases for which there currently is a vaccine where it makes sense to stop vaccinating people.

          • Омаров

            I’m glad that we understand each other, and we do not have a fanatical approach to the issue of immunity and protection from disease. Not all organisms are able to resist the attacks of microorganisms due to various reasons, even elementary laziness and disregard for their health. The human right or to lead a healthy lifestyle, strengthen their immunity, or be dependent on medicines, vaccines.
            But in some emergency cases, medicines are simply necessary even for a persistent person, for example, traumatized.
            The only thing, and I think, you will agree, that medicines are a profitable business for pharmacological companies. And for the sake of profit, they impose drugs under different marketing tricks at more expensive prices. Vaccines can be the same marketing trick. There is another factor, the purity of the manufacture of medicines, the observance of all technologies. Not all countries are able to produce drugs of good quality. And an even worse option when there is a falsification of medicines

            Sorry for the question, but as I understand it, are you from Poland?

  • Larua

    pharma is not in a panic, because they are pleased with what they have created

    • AutismDadd

      And the free test subjects are in the millions

    • Demaris Forsythe

      Idiot.

  • Dale Little

    If you read the whole article you will see this is not as much a news article as it is an opinion piece. They talk about it as if it is never effective and ther is no evidence that if one does get the flu afterwards it is less severe. Let me be the evidence that That has been exactly my experience after taking the flu shot every year since it’s became easily available, maybe 1970. So you or someone you know has had negative experiences? Then don’t take it, but let’s stop all the lies from both sides.

    • Alber Arunee

      You may or may not be interested to know that according to Dr. Fudenberg people who take the flu shot five years in a row have a ten-fold increased risk of Alzheimer’s. I’d rather take the risk of getting the flu than get the flu shot any day.

      Erwin Alber

      • Marie

        Yes i have read that if you get the flu shot every yr for five or ten yrs you are more prone to getting Alzheimers.

        • Demaris Forsythe

          And just WHERE did you read that nonsense? Because the Alzheimer’s Association has evidence that shows the opposite to be true. https://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_myths_about_alzheimers.asp

          Myth 6: Flu shots increase risk of Alzheimer’s disease

          Reality: A theory linking flu shots to a greatly
          increased risk of Alzheimer’s disease has been proposed by a U.S. doctor
          whose license was suspended by the South Carolina Board of Medical
          Examiners. Several mainstream studies link flu shots and other
          vaccinations to a reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease and overall better
          health.

          A Nov. 27, 2001, Canadian Medical Journal report suggests
          older adults who were vaccinated against diphtheria or tetanus, polio,
          and influenza seemed to have a lower risk of developing Alzheimer’s
          disease than those not receiving these vaccinations. The full text of this report is posted on the journal’s Web site.

          A report in the Nov. 3, 2004, JAMA found that annual flu shots for older adults were associated with a reduced risk of death from all causes. The abstract of that report is posted on PubMed.

  • Wendy Allen

    The Flu shot itself may hurt and not help the flu. 2000mg of fish oil daily stopped my colds/flu for more than 20 years. Vit C/Zn/fish oil/garlic/oil of oregano/Vit A/Vit D3/no gluten/no sugar etc may help the immune system/flu.

    • Agnosticator

      Yes, “may”. That is what we call an “N of one” experiment. There are many possible reasons for your not having experienced colds/flu for 20 years. You would have to rule out all of them. At it is, there is no particular reason, at least based on this, to believe your experience applies to the rest of us and that that dose of fish out has that effect for anyone, even for you, necessarily.

      • Wendy Allen

        Fish oil helps the immune system and Vit C helps increase white blood cells that fight infection. Ozone raises oxygen which kills infections. Hospitals could offer this etc work awesome. Tamiflu/antibiotics/vaccines may hurt people. Natural help does not hurt people and works awesome. You have free will to choose what you want to do. Fish oil is cheap and it helps the cells/brain/immune system and more. Cod liver oil has Vit D/Vit A and more that help. People can do prevention. Vaccines are not prevention. Many got the flu since the vaccine may work 10% and is not for the current flu since it mutates. The flu vaccine may shed the virus to other people.

        • Agnosticator

          You are correct – there are indeed studies that show improved brain and immune function from fish oil. I prefer to eat a lot of oily fish (salmon, mackeral, sardines, herring, etc.). That’s even more “natural” than processed fish oil capsules, but I can understand that many people don’t like these sorts of strong-smelling and strong tasting fish.
          All of this is part of the care we owe ourselves – I couldn’t agree more. Regular, and perhaps strenuous, exercise has better preventative properties than any medication, hands down. I used to run 3 to 4 times a week and now use an elliptical trainer and lift weights. It feels good and studies say it’s good for me. I’m sure any competent family physician tells his non-exercising patients the same thing.
          None of this, though, replaces vaccines. Yes, many have gotten the flu using the current vaccine, although data so far seems to be that it’s working at about the 25% level, rather than the 10% level that was expected. It also makes the symptoms less severe.
          Remember that for most of us, flu is a nuisance that keeps us at home in bed feeling miserable for a few days. For the elderly and the very young and those who are immune compromised, avoiding flu can be literally lifesaving. Fewer infected people means less flu circulating which means that even people who can’t be vaccinated or whose immune systems don’t work so well still get some protection in that they are less likely to be exposed.
          Also, every so often, flu is much worse than a mere nuisance. This is the hundredth anniversary of the outbreak of the “Spanish flu”, the 1918 pandemic that killed 50 to 100 million people around the world, or between 3 and 5 percent of the world’s population at the time. It counts as one of the worst natural disasters of all time. Many of these were young, healthy people in the prime of life. Even some protection back then would have saved millions of lives. We should be prepared for that to return.

          • Wendy Allen

            Americans are weaker now due to gluten/GMO/fake food/vaccines so getting the flu may hurt, but the treatment of antibiotics/Tamiflu may destroy them. The Flu vaccine maybe spreading the flu as it sheds.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Wrong.

  • Neo

    Of course the flu vaccine is causing the spread of the flu and causing massive sickness and deaths.
    That is the whole purpose of the vaccine.
    That way they can push more bs lies and fear to the sleepimg masses on mandating more shots for next year.
    It is getting worse every year with government corruption and Big Pharma.

    • Marie

      Yes. What idiots who believe the flu vaccine will save them. I did read the people who get the flu shot are shedding the flu virus and spreading it to others! So now they keep saying “everyone get your flu shot” and they do, and see how the flu keeps spreading and has not even reached a peak yet as of this Feb. 14, 2018.

      • Demaris Forsythe

        Then you are believing bullshit. The flu vaccine doesn’t shed. You can’t get the flu from it.

        • Mollie Norris

          BS – outbreaks have been traced to strains present in vaccines,not wild-type virus.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            NO, you fucking idiot, they have not.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            How fucking stupid ARE you? The flu vaccine CANNOT “shed.” It’s not a “live” vaccine, you idiot.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I’d just LOVE to see you cite a credible source of science-based evidence for your laughable claims, Molladoofus, but you wouldn’t know one if it bit you in your fat ass.

          • Mollie Norris

            2005 May;26(5):494-500.
            Duration of virus shedding after trivalent intranasal live attenuated influenza
            vaccination in adults.
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15954490

            Vaccine. 2014 Feb 26;Infect
            Control Hosp Epidemiol.32(10):1199-204. doi:
            10.1016/j.vaccine.2013.08.041. Epub 2013 Sep 24.Comparison of virus
            shedding after lived attenuated and pentavalent reassortant rotavirus
            vaccine.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24076325

            PediatrInfect Dis J. 2001 Dec;20(12):1124-31.Safety, vaccine virus
            shedding and immunogenicity of trivalent, cold-adapted, live
            attenuated influenza vaccine administered to human immunodeficiency
            virus-infected and non-infected children.
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11740317

            J Infect Dev Ctries. 2012 Dec 15;6(12):881-5. doi:
            10.3855/jidc.2372.Isolation of poliovirus shedding following
            vaccination in children with antibody deficiency
            disorders.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23276742

            Vaccine. 2016 Apr 7;34(16):1868-73. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2016.02.070. Epub
            2016 Mar 5.Severity of mumps disease is related to MMR vaccination
            status and viral shedding.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26954106

            It’s not worth more than 5 minutes of my time
            Really scraping the sewer for trolls,aren’t they!

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You fucking moron, the intranasal vaccine given in 2001 and 2005 isn’t given NOW. The rotavirus vaccine “shedding” only occurs if you’re playing with poop. We don’t fucking USE the OPV in the US, you idiot. The SEVERITY of mumps doesn’t mean that “shedding” CAUSED the disease. You are too stupid for words, honey. Go back to high school and try to graduate this time.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “outbreaks have been traced to strains present in vaccines,not wild-type virus.” Your links below don’t have a thing to do with flu or the flu vaccine, you moron.

        • Marie

          IF the flu shot is a killed virus like they SAY it is then no will not shed., but if it’s a live virus it will shed.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            It is not a live virus. What part of that do you not grasp?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Vaccine “shedding” has not caused any outbreaks of disease.

      • Mollie Norris

        same with polio – vaccinations are a means of retaining pathogens in a population and of introducing new strains introduced in vaccines.

        • Demaris Forsythe

          NOPE. Are you a pathological liar?

        • marie

          Wow. Introducing new pathogen strains. How evil! And babies who get a polio shot will shed the virus in their poop and old people and immune compromised are supposed to stay away. As a side note here….i’ve been SO careful not to get the flu. Everytime i get back into the car from the stores i wipe my hands with bleach wipes., but i still recently caught something. This is my second or third nite. I got sick on Tue and not it’s thurs. Tue nite i started to get chills and aches. I took a hot bath. I was feeling too cold. I knew i was coming down with something bad. Luckily i made and froze a lot of Olive leaf tea i slow cooked in the crock pot. I started drinking it tue nite and all nite when i slept and kept waking up i drank some and more on wed and wed nite. It’s late Thur now and i feel almost 90 percent better. After that first nite no more chills and no more aches., but wed my back hurt so bad it felt like my bones were jello! I am positive the olive leaf kept me from going over the edge, and i know Fri i will be 100 percent better. So that is 2-3 days of the flu! I am sure it was the flu cuz no stuffy nose, and no chest cold. My nose and chest stayed clear. I am sure if i did not drink the olive leaf i could have been gravely ill as i am older. I know you don’t get chills and aches with a cold. So looks like i will be immune to THIS flu and won’t have to worry now – unless it mutates and who knows WHAT crap they are spreading around. If anyone wants the receipe for olive leaf tea ask and i will type it out. Very easy. I freeze bottles for emergencies and good thing.

    • AutismDadd

      Its called the FLU VACCINE…its more than a hint!

      • Neo

        The best one is when they say you might get flu like symptoms but its not the flu….lol!!

        • AutismDadd

          Admitting the truth doesn’t sell vaccines.

          • Mollie Norris

            The issue isn’t limited to income from vaccinations; it’s the creation of a population of patients that will have a lifelong dependence on Big Pharma to treat numerous conditions related to vaccine reactions that are incurable or exacerbated by Big Pharma treatment. If these frauds spoke any truth they wouldn’t need a multi-billion dollar Big Pharma lobby.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            More bullshit, you asshole. There are not “numerous conditions related to vaccine reactions that are incurable or exacerbated by Big Pharma treatment.” I’m laughing at your attempt to impersonate an intelligent being, dear.

          • Mollie Norris

            They’re really scraping the bottom of the cesspool to hire trolls these days! It’s awesome- very self-defeating.

          • AutismDadd

            I think they are now scrapping cesspool’s, cesspools

          • Mollie Norris

            the searches I’ve done to find the links I’ve posted use the pubmed database; example; search ‘pubmed vaccine virus shed after vaccination’.

          • AutismDadd

            Agreed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I call it Blind Faith Syndrome. It really should be in the DSM.

          • AutismDadd

            Have you searched the decisions of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program at all?

          • Mollie Norris

            not enough yet

          • Demaris Forsythe

            No outbreaks of disease have been caused by vaccine shedding, you idiot.

        • Agnosticator

          Why should that be so crazy? Most symptoms of cold and flu are the result of your body’s attempts to fight it. Think fever, aches, maybe chills (from interferon produced by the body). When you inject people with deactivated or killed virus, people who already have some immunity will see their immune systems start to fight the virus, but their symptoms will be relatively mild since their immunity was only partial. That’s why you shouldn’t have the same vaccine twice – the reaction will be really bad once you have full immunity already.

          • Mollie Norris

            That sure explains the rationale behind a series of two or three vaccinations.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            What “explains the rationale behind a serious of two or three vaccinations” is in the studies, idiot. Read them. Get your mommy to help you with the big words.

        • AutismDadd

          Or when they say the SHOT can’t give you flu, then does and its verified

          • tomonthebay

            Verified where? Dead virus can not give you influenza.

          • AutismDadd

            Do some reading tomonthetake

          • tomonthebay

            Name your source or admit you are lying. Dead virus can not transmit disease. That is a biological fact.

          • AutismDadd

            have any evidence?

          • tomonthebay

            What part of DEAD virus are you unable to understand? Are you truly that dense? Apparently you are.

          • AutismDadd

            How would you get legitimate protection w/o legitimate reaction?

          • tomonthebay

            The response is to the presence of the protein, not to viral replication.

          • AutismDadd

            And nothing more? No heavy reaction caused by adjuvants or other ingredients? Explain weakness, fainting, anaphylactic reaction and seizures after vaccination. In fact MERCK admits fainting and seizures from Gardeathsil

          • Ron Roy

            There’s no such thing as a LIVING virus.

          • Bored Now

            There’s no such thing as a LIVING virus.

            Only under a specific definition of “life”. However under such a definition there is no such thing as a “live wire” or “dead car battery”. Yet both are legitimate usages of the term.

            Since nothing about tomonthebay’s statement necessitates that kind of definition of “living”. Your point is either moot or you needed someone to teach you how English works…in which case…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79DijItQXMM&t=127s

            Keep on entertaining me.

          • tomonthebay

            The virus in flu vaccine is always described as killed or inactivated. Regardless of the term used, the virus in unable to replicate and cause illness. That help you Ron?

          • AutismDadd

            Described….And since when have descriptions of vaccines been truthful?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You are truly dumber than dirt.

          • AutismDadd

            Hey tom what can you tell us about adjuvant 65-4?

          • AutismDadd

            Then perhaps its not dead.

          • AutismDadd

            Hey tom I’m just reading about several children with VERIFIED Flu vaccine caused ADEM ( Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis) that caused paralysis, blindness and the loss of ability to speak. Isn’t that tragic? And a 20 year old nurse was awarded 11.6 million from the NVICP for GBS she developed. Wow that flu vaccine sure sounds safe. Are you hoping to cash in and that’s why you play vaccine roulette?

          • tomonthebay

            Sounds interesting. What is the source? Where can I read this myself?

          • AutismDadd

            I was looking for why flu vaccines make us sick and came across it.

          • tomonthebay

            Like I asked, what is the source? I would like to read and evaluate it myself.

          • AutismDadd

            I didn’t make a note of it. I Googled ” why flu vacs make us sick”

          • tomonthebay

            Still waiting.

          • AutismDadd

            Google it lazy

          • joe

            I have been waiting for 6 days.

    • Agnosticator

      Why do you believe this? What data do you have that substantiates this claim? Don’t just tell me it’s big pharma propaganda that vaccines don’t cause flu and that they work (although not always as well as we would like). Data is all that matters. Without data, it’s just BS.

      • Neo

        Lol…data provided by Big Pharma.
        The flu shot creates big business for Big Pharma, like the rest of their toxic junk science vaccines!
        You inject the toxic shot, cause the spread of the flu and death to elders, children, and the immune compromised.
        Spread fear and lies that the flu is causing massive sickness and death to cause panic to the sleeping masses, therefore pushing and creating more vaccines.
        It’s bad practice for the industry to shoot themselves and their stakeholders in the foot.
        Their lives depend on it!
        It’s a big whirlwind of lies and corruption.

        • Agnosticator

          So I have to ask you again, what actual evidence is there that any of this is true?

          • Neo

            Look around you at the deaths and destruction vaccines are causing with such a so called advanced meducal industry.
            Been to a children’s hospital lately to see all the children dying and suffering from cancers caused by vaccines!!

          • Agnosticator

            I’m sorry, much as it pains me to see sick children (I spent two years working in a children’s hospital), that’s not data. Some children die – yes, even a few from vaccinations. It’s awful, but it happens. The question is why. Where is the data that says that the number harmed by vaccinations is anywhere close to the number protected, the ones who didn’t get the awful disease the vaccine was intended to prevent? Do you know any children (or adults younger than, say 60) who had polio? I don’t. Before the late 50’s it was every mother’s fear, every summer. Does anyone even think of it today? And why is that?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            No, you haven’t. There is not one valid study that shows any link between vaccines and cancer, you little fraud. Not one.

          • Neo

            Lmao…little fraud!
            Of course there is no study showing any link between vaccines and cancer or SVDS or Autism or chronic illnesses or or or according to the makers of the said vaccines!
            Can you imagine what would happen to the industry if there was a link
            Yeah that’s what I thought!!

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You are an ass. Vaccines account for less than 3% of total pharma profit, you dumbfuck. We now have TWO vaccines that can help prevent cancer, dearie. Too bad you have no point.

          • joe

            “Vaccines causes Cancer'” REALLY! care to pass that information to me so as I can give it to my Cancer specialist, I am sure he will have a good laugh.

          • Neo

            He is laughing all the way to the bank pumping you full of poison, you know cause poison does the body good!

          • joe

            And where is you citation proving vaccination causes Cancer?

          • Neo

            Joe…when 2 and 3 year olds are dying from cancers, 99% all have one common denominator…30 plus vaccines injected in them with neuro toxins that destroy their immune systems.

          • joe

            I did not ask for chit chit, I asked for a citation to back your claim.

          • Neo

            Can you show me one citation thats not funded ny Pharma or the WHO or the CDC that prove they don’t?

          • joe

            No it doesn’t work that way, you said children are dying from Cancers caused by vaccination, the onus is on you to provide evidence to back up that statement.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Gee, dumbass, what caused cancer before vaccines? You dolt, there isn’t a single ingredient in a vaccine that is present in any amount even close to being toxic. Go take a chemistry class, child.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Nope.

          • FallsAngel

            That sounds more like some Alt Med operators!

          • joe

            I’am still waiting for your citation.

          • joe

            Yes a poison called Chemotherapy has added 7 years to my life and doing well.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            No poison in vaccines, dumbfuck.

          • joe

            BUT the FACT is, there is NO link.

          • Neo

            No it’s not a fact Joe!
            Of course there’s no link according to the industry!
            A lot of money would be lost if there was a link, and many would be in jail !

          • Bored Now

            Then either the link is so incredibly unlikely that nobody an afford to test it or people who are critical of vaccines are just too cheap or too stupid to realize the value of funding a study that would demonstrate something they consider to be obvious.

            See if some group of, broadly speaking clinically and/or statistically untrained folks claim they observe vaccine injury then it actually has to have a pretty high probability. So there’s no reason they shouldn’t flood the journals with studies showing these harms…

          • Neo

            Lol….yeah cause Big Pharma will allow studies showing that they have been killing and poisoning children with vaccines.
            Don’t need corrupt so called safety studies by Pharma to see the destruction to our children from vaccines.
            Even a blind man can see that!

          • Bored Now

            I’m not talking about studies

            Don’t need corrupt so called safety studies by Pharma to see the destruction to our children from vaccines.

            So you believe that all people who believe as you do are too stupid to see

        • Agnosticator

          Your entire post consisted of unfounded assertions. You clearly believe these things to be true, but I would challenge you to provide any substantiation of them.
          It’s really easy to make an accusation, but determining what is actually true is hard. Anyone these days can create a web site that looks utterly professional while its content may be completely or at least partially unfounded. Please at least consider what evidence there is for any of this.

    • Agnosticator

      This is just paranoid nonsense.

  • AutismDadd

    They have close to blanket immunity from litigation, so why would they panic? To Pharma this is the “VACCINE WORKING” and ALL negative reactions are inconvenient coincidence. They are likely planning their next marketing plan for another round of flu shots.

  • Agnosticator

    There is an old saying: never fight with a pig. You’ll only get dirty and the pig loves it.
    Your beliefs are your beliefs and that’s that. Still, demonizing Jews was the first step toward the Holocaust. Is that where you’re headed?

  • Eva-Maria Oeser

    Since healthy children do not just die from the flu, the case should be clear. How many of the dead children were vaccinated? Probably almost all.

    • Demaris Forsythe

      Of course healthy children die from the flu, you moron. Eighty-five percent, approximately, were UNVACCINATED. Put that in your twat and smoke it.

  • john vieira

    Cheers…There are so many attacks in so many places on a broad front that it is sometimes discouraging…however on this issue, what really worries me is the absolute refusal of the industry to even entertain ANY dialogue…and there IS a credible and growing opposition..Sometimes on other matters, I tend to roam, read headlines and if the subject looks good will jump in and sometimes get a good run for my time and sometimes on certain subjects I swear that I can almost feel a malevolence being directed at me…Ah well, we only pass this way but once…and the ‘truth will set us free’…if we can ever find it under the barrage of lies that is emanating from all quarters…especially the corrupted mainstream media. Good luck and good hunting.

  • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound
    • Demaris Forsythe

      Show me the evidence that serious adverse events caused by vaccines occur more frequently than complications of the diseases they prevent. You can’t. They don’t.

      Since 1988 there have been fewer
      than 6000 total serious adverse effects with causal evidence proven to have
      been directly related to ALL vaccinations (144 per year average). To put that
      into perspective, from 2006 ~ 2013 there were 1668 proven, causal, adverse
      effects related to the over 2 BILLION (2,236,678,735) vaccinations
      administered.

      That is a .000000834% chance
      of having an serious adverse effect to any vaccination.

      You have better odds of
      getting killed by lightning, a hippopotamus, or even ants, than getting
      seriously ill from a vaccination.

      Without being vaccinated, just
      contracting Measles alone, you have a 30% chance of having a serious reaction
      to the disease (hospitalization, long term disability or death) including a:

      7% chance of Otitis media

      6% chance of Pneumonia

      .7% chance of Seizures

      .1% chance of Encephalitis

      .2% chance of Death

      You are right, you do have a
      choice: .000000834% (risk of harm vaccinating) vs 30% (risk of harm with no
      vaccination)

      Source: US Health and Human
      Services Health Resources and Services Administrator (HRSA), and CDC:
      Vaccinations and Immunizations

      • joe

        WOW fantastic post, KUDOS.

        • AutismDadd

          You wouldn’t know crap if you stepped in it.

      • AutismDadd

        Oh wow the MANUAL plagiarism

    • Demaris Forsythe

      What’s the hold-up? Show me the evidence I asked for. You can’t. There isn’t any.

    • Demaris Forsythe

      Still waiting for that evidence that serious adverse events caused by vaccines occur more frequently than complications of VPDs. Why can’t you respond with statistics and studies? Explain how it is that we rarely see measles these days. Before the vaccine, in the 40s and 50s, between 400 and 500 people died of measles in the US alone, EVERY YEAR. Explain why we no longer have polio in the US and why it has nearly been eradicated even in India.

    • Demaris Forsythe

      Funny that you continue to ignore the statistics. Why is that?

      • Ron Roy

        OMG are you referring to the statistics put out by the CDC, FDA etc? Read the link Coonhound provided.

        • Demaris Forsythe

          YOu mean the bullshit some idiot dropout posted? No thanks.

        • Demaris Forsythe

          Cite better sources.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    I’m not paid a dime. You never took a chemistry class you could pass, did you? It shows. You can’t even spell “thimerosal,” much less realize that it has never been shown to be harmful and was removed from all vaccines years ago. The only vaccine that still has it is the flu vaccine in multi-dose vials, dumbass. You can easily avoid that if you’re stupid enough to be afraid of it by getting the single-dose vial. And there aren’t any “neurotoxic” ingredients in vaccines, you idiot. Your own body makes formaldehyde. Flu doesn’t make people sick for “a couple of days,” dear. It can and does kill. You don’t get complications of diseases if you don’t get the diseases. “Death lurks behind every door….” AHAHAHHAHAHA. That’s a riot. Do you play eerie music when you type bullshit like that??

    • AutismDadd

      What about the welfare?

    • AutismDadd

      So you charge two-bits then?

    • AutismDadd

      A dime would be over payment for acts of stupidity

  • Demaris Forsythe

    There is no peanut oil i vaccines, dumbass. It’s “sophisticated,” you silly dolt. Your lack of any education tells everyone that you have no idea what you are talking about regarding science or medicine.

    • AutismDadd

      Adjuvant 65-4 make by Merck in 1964 LIAR

  • Demaris Forsythe

    He’s a kook and so are you.

  • Demaris Forsythe
  • Demaris Forsythe
  • Demaris Forsythe

    The CDC buys vaccines so it can distribute them to communities that need them, you moron.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    The CDC Foundation is an independent, nonprofit organization that forges partnerships between the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and private-sector organizations.

  • Demaris Forsythe
  • Demaris Forsythe

    You are a hoot, dear. Almost as dumb as Lowballs. The “thousands and thousands of search results?” You think that constitutes evidence? You have no idea how to assess the credibility of a thing you find on the web, you silly little boy. There is nothing to “cover up” regarding vaccines. You can hate “Big Pharma” and question its motives in producing many drugs; you cannot show that profit motive is a factor in vaccines, nor can you show any evidence that vaccines’ risks outweigh their benefits. Until you can show that serious adverse events caused by vaccines occur more frequently than complications of the diseases they prevent, you don’t have a leg to stand on, cupcake.

    • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

      neither do you “win” by calling the other more creative names and playground insults. have fun shilly boy, UNLIKE you i don’t get paid to troll forums like this one all day, i have a life. Have fun talking to yourself ive got things to do. Oh, one last thing, how much do they pay you guys for this activity? (sorry i can’t bring myself to call being a propagandist working)

      • Demaris Forsythe

        I don’t have to “win” anything. The onus is on you to back up your ridiculous claims. You can’t.

      • Demaris Forsythe

        “I have a life.” No, you don’t, dear. You’ve never had a life outside Disqus. It’s your number one activity, posting your brain-farts and imagining that people read them and find them illuminating. You and Lowballs are two of a kind. Unsuccessful, immature men who have nothing else to do but bloviate. You and Ronnie Boy and Lowballs are just a trio of typical stunted males who can’t make any positive impression on anyone in real life, so you come here to try to make yourselves feel better about your lack of any substance.

        • joe

          You do know that they are the modern version of the three stooges.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, no, the Stooges were intelligent by comparison!

          • joe

            CLASSIC!

  • Demaris Forsythe

    I don’t get paid a dime. I like to puncture AV nutters’ sacred cows for fun. Thanks, honey, I had a good laugh at your posts today!

    • Ron Roy

      No one could be as entertaining as you Demerit.

      • Demaris Forsythe

        Oh, good. I am distracting you from broadcasting your idiocy to more susceptible people.

      • AutismDadd

        A talking pig act

  • AutismDadd

    Agreed. Everything is now a DISEASE, and not a condition. Childhood illness are now KILLER DISEASE. Its marketing for Pharma.

  • AutismDadd

    This Dementia Forsythe has been banned from forums in the past. I have been asking moderators to ban her but I can’t say they have. One thing we can do is block her. I outdid her insults and she blocked me. She wants to bully and I won, so she moved on.

    • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

      Good for you. What a p.o.s. that creature is. Typical kook, commenting on American CDC issue w/a French flag. A confused and mentally unstable individual would be a kind description. Too kind.
      You know, they must be paid by the post. Otherwise you think they would let it lie after a few posts because after 20-30 comments on a single thread its rather obvious that nobody would be that obssessed w/defending Big Pharma. (unless paid) Take care.

      • AutismDadd

        I think Dementia is a large woman who smokes and is on welfare. She hasn’t much of life, hence the frustration and anger. Probably watches 12 hours of TV a day and has many cats.

        • Marie

          You forgot to mention that the many cats are pissing all over the house and it smells so bad that she had to take the cat litter pan and stick it in the refridgerater with the door closed so the rest of the house wouldn’t smell real bad. Then when she gets hungry in the middle of the night she opens the door half asleep and takes out a piece of poo and chomps on it thinking it’s a chicken wing. Then takes a gulp of milk out of the jug to wash it all down!

          • AutismDadd

            I didn’t want that image in my mind so I left it out. Explains the breath, shit sandwiches

    • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

      Yep, I just blocked ol’Dementia Foreskin. I dont have time to sit around all day echanging elementary school insults & name calling sessions or have my email box chock full of mssgs from hateful, undersexed, cat-hoarding welfare recipients…… I guess that is what passes for a hard day at work for internet trolls. Pretty sad really…..

      • AutismDadd

        Very good choice and a tactic we can all use to shut her out and shut her up.

    • joe

      I have said it before and I will say it for the last time. YOU should be banned. You have never made a single worthwhile contribution on ANY forum, you constantly spew lies and brain dead one liners, you constantly badger other posters and you wonder why people start calling you names, I don’t know how you keep getting away with it, I have seen other posters get banned for a lot less than what you get away with.

      • AutismDadd

        Maybe I’m a moderator…

        • joe

          Yeah and I might be Santa Clause

          • AutismDadd

            Or just a fat unemployed slob who likes children

  • Demaris Forsythe

    “Anyone who thinks for themselves…” You don’t “think” at all. Those are just the brain-farts of a toothless idiot who never managed to get past high school.

    • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

      didnt get past high school? sorry but you are a failed psychic too. I guess there’s something you are good at….. besides trolling that is, (sorry that doesnt count as a life skill) mayne you’ll find what it is before you die.
      You sure are a hateful p.o.s. just do me one favor don’t take out on your cats, im sure you have about a couple dozen, poor kitties.

      psst….. i have a Bachelor of Science…… sorry

      • Demaris Forsythe

        Sure you do. And I’m Queen Elizabeth II. You’re not only an idiot, but a bald-faced liar. Someone who can’t spell “sophisticated” doesn’t even have a community college education. You make me laugh, dear.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Why would I need to get paid for having a blast making fun of ignoramuses like you?

    • AutismDadd

      To pay your food bills you sow.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    It’s funny that you’re still here, honey. I don’t get paid to make fun of dimwitted conspiracy theorists like you. That’s my hobby.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    “I guess RFK Jr is an incomoetetent box of rocks too?” There is that stellar “college education” at work….

  • Demaris Forsythe

    “IF you can scrounge up enough money from your welfare check maybe you
    can get someone drunk enough to have sex w/you, it releases a lot of
    pent up stress.. ” You would know. You must be speaking from your own experience, sweetie.

  • Demaris Forsythe

    Just now got home. What did YOU achieve today, honey?

  • Demaris Forsythe

    AHAHAHA. So you spent your day thinking about me? Wow, I must have really burned your ass. You poor, pitiful little child.

    • AutismDadd

      What a pathetic sow

    • AutismDadd

      And he threw up

  • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound
  • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

    Can We Trust the CDC? British Medical Journal Reveals CDC Lies About Ties to Big Pharma
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/can-we-trust-the-cdc-british-medical-journal-reveals-cdc-lies-about-ties-to-big-pharma/

  • AutismDadd

    Dementia blocked me last week. She tried her vulgar, repulsive act on me , and I showed her what vulgar and repulsive was at its best. If she can’t bully you she runs away with her tail between her legs, and that’s not easy when they are so fact they chaff when she waddles.

    • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

      ok, maybe you can’t see then, what I meant was that she/it was blocked by the site/article…..

      • AutismDadd

        Good to hear. That piece of digested food needs banning.

  • joe

    “”Working for a living? She is, like my self, RETIRED, WE have done our share of working and paying taxes, now it’s your turn, by the amount of time you spend here it appears that YOU are not working.