Big Pharma Panic As Vaccinated Children Keep Dying From Flu Across U.S.

Big Pharma in panic mode as vaccinated children across U.S. die from flu

Unprecedented numbers of children across America are dying from influenza after getting the flu shot, and Big Pharma are scrambling to cover-up the enormity of the scandal.

According to the CDC, this year’s flu has already killed 44,116 people, with the flu vaccine proving completely ineffective against this year’s particularly nasty H3N2 strain.

Via The Organic Prepper:

Not only does this influenza strain produce a more intense and deadly flu, the flu vaccine is less effective against it. This Centers for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) article discusses a study published in The Lancet spanning 11 years that demonstrates H3N2 is more resistant to the flu vaccine. … the flu vaccine demonstrates only a 33% vaccine effective (VE) rate with the average H3N2 strain… To make matters worse, this year’s flu vaccine isn’t even close to the average 33% VE rate of prior years. This year’s vaccine is performing at approximately a 10% VE rate.

Naturalnews.com reports: You mean to tell me the CDC already knows that this year’s vaccine is only 10% effective at protecting children from the influenza strains circulating in the wild? According to CBS News:

This year’s flu vaccine may only be 10% effective, experts warn… It is the same formulation that was used during Australia’s most recent flu season — which typically sets a pattern for what the U.S. will face — and it was only 10 percent effective there.

How many children who died from this year’s flu were vaccinated with the “10% effective” flu shot?

Note that the vaccine-pushing media isn’t reporting headlines such as, “Child who died from the flu was vaccinated with the flu shot.” No, that would be heresy to the vaccine dogmatists and propagandists who desperately push the false science that claims flu shots always work.

Even when flu shots don’t work, these propagandists still claim they sorta, kinda, almost work. CBS News dutifully demonstrates this pseudoscience delusion by restating the fictitious mantra of the flu propagandists: “Experts say that if you do get the flu, it will likely be less severe if you have gotten a flu shot.”

There is no evidence whatsoever to support such a claim, of course, but that doesn’t stop the media from repeating it — almost verbatim — in every news story that covers the repeated failures of the flu vaccine itself.

There is evidence, however, that mercury-laced flu shots are killing infants. A 4,250% increase in fetal deaths was documented following the mercury-laced flu vaccination sweep of 2009 – 2010. Furthermore, Natural News has irrefutably proven that flu shots still contain mercury, even though the vaccine industry deliberately lies and claims mercury has been removed from all vaccines given to children. That’s a deliberate lie.

Not only is it unbelievably sad that American children keep dying from a preventableinfection, but it’s downright criminal that the medical establishment and legacy media both refuse to tell parents how to save the lives of their children through low-cost nutrition.

  • nullifyNWO

    The NWO is real. Vaccines are deadly. Apache!

    • Djago

      The Jew World Order is definitely real.

      • Truth

        I love that hell is real and that everyone will be judged no matter they think.

        • Agnosticator

          Sounds like you’ve been there….

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      • Janet Faber

        You are a bigot and an anti-semite. I’m reporting you.

        • Alice

          Hi Janet. My comment will most likely be censored. I’m assuming your comment only made it because it was issued in anger. I feel your frustration with the accusation, but you have to understand the sheer volume of propaganda being put out there alleging, basically, that since Jewish people are very wealthy, and because there are some Jewish people in these and other industries, that the whole thing is a Machiavellian plot by Jewish people to undermine society. Honestly, I almost got swept up and convinced by it myself. I’ve been starting to realize that there definitely IS a “divide and conquer” agenda, and no doubt some Jewish people are part of it, but I’m sure there are also a lot of “gentile” people part of it too – but the crux of it is, in both mainstream and alternative news articles – all we’re seeing is fodder with which to hate another group. For one person, that group may wind up being Zionist groups. For another, it may wind up being immigrants. For another, Trump supporters. For another anti-vaccine advocates. Everyone is encouraged to hate another group. That’s the only common denominator here. Maybe it was always like this? but to me it seems like it’s fast devolving into chaos, and, I suspect, in an orchestrated fashion – by whom, I honestly don’t know, but I feel increasingly certain it’s not the “average” member of any group. I saw an article ran on here previously stating that Isreal is banning mandatory vaccinations. Clearly the wording was trying to imply that “oh, look at those Jews, banning it for themselves, but forcing it on us”; they didn’t state that – but it was all there. The irony is that, I read elsewhere that 95% of Israeli people vaccinate their kids. I no longer really follow Natural News after being censored on there TWICE. As much as they claim to be anti censorship for themselves *merely holding a moderate perspective, and encouraging people to be cooperative rather than divisive* or to look at the funding behind various political candidates, was ground for wholesale removing any comment. That website used to be one I actually partially considered as respectable. Part of me wonders if it has been “co-opted”, because lately it has gone on this crazy, vehement political tangent. I understand there is a place for passion, but something weird is going on here in that both sides seem to be pushing a “hate” agenda. And it seems like whoever is pulling the strings behind the scenes doesn’t care at all who that hate hits – just as long as the majority of the world is hating and NOT working together in a spirit of mutual respect. If you argue aggressively with people, on here or elsewhere, you’re just going to be promoting it more. And I think that goes for just about everyone commenting here and elsewhere.

          • Marie

            It is my theory that the NWO or the ptb -the powers that be – are orchestrating this whole thing. They are dividing everyone up. First it’s the Left and Right hating each other, then it’s the Black and White race who are divided, and recently now they are working on dividing the male and female genders. The women are not liking the men, and the men are afraid of the women and afraid to talk or touch them now. It’s done on purpose by a PLAN. They have removed God from the U.S. So now people have NO one to trust, no one to lean on, no God to lean on, and so guess what? The masses will only have the Government to lean on!!! It is all a plan. All done on purpose! Soon they will work on the children, to make them hate the parents or report the parents for something……..

          • Alice

            Yes Marie, I agree these attempts are being made, but also with them an attempt to instill hopelessness, pessimism, and fear. It is very true, they will attempt to divide people, and perhaps succeed with some. I personally feel the brighter parts of the gospel are intentionally downplayed in the churches, and there’s an unhealthy dogmatism over faith going on too, which leads many to believe they’ve fully examined and found the faith to be lacking, when in fact it’s simply been corrupted. My personal belief is one of a loving God; this God is good, and much more forgiving and empowering than portrayed in any texts, and one which empowers and cares for us greatly. Quite simply, there is nothing to fear, as insane of a perspective as this may be with all the chaos going around. This God is not going to abandon us, and, in my personal opinion, will redeem even the lost. All these machinations are just desperate efforts to quash what’s best in us, the cooperative, creative, small fragment of joy-spreading Godliness that we’ve been imbued with as children of this powerful force. These temporary efforts, even if they come to their full maleficent conclusion, in my opinion, are going to be ultimately irrelevant. There is nothing here that can’t be unbroken; of course, how much simpler and painless if we simply did not buy into what we know is false to begin with! Just a little bit of self discipline will go such a long way. Hate is easy, improvement is hard.

          • Marie

            Yes it is true. To instill hopelessness, pessimism and fear. You said it exactly like it is. With doing away with God people have NO one to turn to. Their faith is destroyed and they feel hopeless. They are then ready to be easily controlled. I can’t say it as well as you did, but i agree totally with what you said.

          • Alice

            Amen Marie. I think the worst of it is the return of dualism/gnosticism. This is a vile ideology, which ultimately leads to pantheism or belief in an “evil” Creator God from which we must escape. I find that attack to be worse than the other divisive attacks, because it aspires to attack the sole source of hope – salvation through our Loving Father. It is basically a return to the original sin. You wouldn’t believe what people believe out there – there are actually groups that believe a poisonous mushroom is the “way” to God and that Jesus was simply an allegory for a mushroom. Of course when people actually do these things – their fruit follows them. Without exception, they become arrogant, condescending, and convinced that we are on a “prison planet” and that when they die they must escape the “light”. There are also entire new websites out there promoting Satanism, with some permutations promoting gnostic rebellion of “Spirit” from the Creator (who of course is said to be evil, look at all the evil in the world – as though Satan himself could not be authoring the deception). Tellingly most of these theologies are entirely devoid of love, openness, cooperation – they bring ONLY fear, divisiveness, “hidden” knowledge, egotism, pride – the fruit of the Devil. One does not have to believe in a literal interpretation or even be a fundamentalist to clearly see it for what it is. And it’s everywhere. Some have added “alien” theories to this, with “good aliens” and “bad aliens.” I think it is the responsibility of every Christian person to speak out in the name of love, because the deception is deep. I personally feel it attacking me every day, each time from different aspects, each time whispering the lie “your Father does not Love you”, “you need to run from a lifestyle of goodness and love”, “it is foolish to obey” etc. etc. There is NOTHING foolish about being obedient to a p

          • Marie

            People are also drinking “raw” water….straight from a dirty stream cuz they believe it’s more natural. I think that all the vaccines, poison in the air, gmo foods, and frequencies affecting our mind is making people crazy like this. The worst thing is that people are now conditioned to believe that there is no God and no Jesus. The conditioning has been going on for at least the last 50 yrs and longer.

          • Alice

            Sorry, got cut off. To a perfectly loving Father. There IS a huge foolishness in being obedient to a corrupt worldly authority. I do not conflate the two. I deeply believe in the Holy Spirit. To embrace divisiveness and hate is simply to turn away from the Holy Spirit, when we in fact are to “turn away” from sin – the greatest being not loving one another, and not loving our Father, who will be found to be blameless and who will wipe every tear from our eye. People always refer to the Old Testament as though Yeshua somehow never spoke the gospel, never clearly rebuked murder and averice, never overturned tables in the church and called us to a greater manner of being. It is all coming down to the line. A person must choose rightly, and invite others to do so. I never spoke about my beliefs previously, but I find more more and more, in the spirit of Love it’s important to do so now. Possibly there will not be another chance.

          • Agnosticator

            It’s more likely Russian trolls stirring up hatreds in the US. We know that they did this during the last election, possible throwing it to Trump. There is no reason to believe that they are not engaged in a wider project to sow dissension and doubt about American strength and resolve. Don’t fall for it.

        • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

          Read your Bible, then the Babylonian Talmud, it’s always the tribe, always…..they are the serpent seed, and admit it in their writings…..Genesis 3:15 (God TO Satan: “I will put enmity between THY seed and the WOMAN’S seed.” get it now? In John 8 Jesus told them, you are of your father the devil, Jesus didn’t call people names he was speaking of their lineage.
          What is the CAUSE of “antisemitism”? were you aware they have been kicked out of countries, empires, and kingdoms over 100+ ? Think a kid if different people’s and you tries could always be at fault tan the tribe always right? you aware that over 90% of the Bolshevick leadership who slaughtered 10 million Ukrainians and over 60 million Russians in the Holodomor & Red Terror, were tribal? It wasn’t a Russian Revolution at all. IF you can slaughter 100 million in a century and come out of at the end of it looking like the victims you must have some serious control of the publishing houses and newspapers,media, and govts. Esau has cast off his yoke, the tribe shall commence white genocide to cover up the fact that white Christians are true chosen seed of Jacob Israel, of the scriptures that fulfill all the curses, promises, blessings, and scriptural prophecy. They have lied, changed names, and identities so often, they wrote a column in the 1980 Jewish Encyclopedia called “Identity Crisis” it said “Strictly speaking it is Incorrect to call a Jew an Israelite or an ancient Hebrew a Jew!” this was not written by the KKK. ….anyone reading this needs to wake up

          • Agnosticator

            Go comment for the Daily Stormer. They’ll love you there.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            No thanks~I don’t post to Joo-puppet false opposition fronts who make their critics look ridiculous.Hate+crass comments aren’t needed when dealing w/disgusting bloody baby penis sucking Rabbi perverts aka Joos–just the truth which they hate &a attempt to censor. My holy book doesn’t say sex w/girls over 3 is approved or boys over 9 is ol either. Babylonian Talmud -Babylonian Learnjng = Mystery Babylon.=anti Christ followers. Nor does it say to kill rob steal lie to all non Joos. and its cool. Just the facts and yes no bother to call me anti Semitic because Semites are not all bad,mostly just joos.

          • Agnosticator

            It is correct yes, that calling a modern Jew an “Israelite” or an ancient Hebrew a Jew is incorrect. That is because Israelite is a specific term referring to people from the ancient kingdom of Israel, something has not existed for more than 2500 years. Similarly an ancient Hebrew should not be called a Jew since “Jew” comes from Judea, a nation the was formed primarily out of the territory of the ancient tribe of Judah, since most of the other tribes were “lost” after the Assyrian conquest of the northern kingdom in the 8th century BC. Thus “Jew” refers only to those deriving from Judah (and Benjamin) and does not include all of the people who would be referred to as “Hebrews” before the conquest.
            None of this means that modern Jews are not the direct spiritual, cultural and, for the vast majority, physical descendants of those ancient people. They most certainly are.

        • Jan Franskmann

          Go read some history! You don`t even know what a semite is

          • Alber Arunee

            Arabs are Semites – most Jews are not.

            Erwin Alber

          • Agnosticator

            According to Dictionary.com:
            Semite: a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.

            “Semite” has been used for centuries as a racial designation, something inherited. It is nothing of the sort. It is linguistic. Jews, culturally both speak and spoke Hebrew, a semetic language. That defines them as semites, whether their mother was blond and blue-eyed and a convert or whether their father had curly hair and big nose or if their skin is dark or light. Those are irrelevant. Jews are an ethnic and religious community.

        • Sherman Michael Platt

          suck hind tit faber

        • Djago

          Love you tooooo!

      • AutismDadd

        Get help

  • mary

    When are these killers going to be closed down ,put out all you energy ,that these scum be removed from this earth very soon ,and for Gods sake stop taking ANY vaccine people

    • john vieira

      Appears to me that all of Dr. Mengele’s students joined big pharma to improve their “kill ratio”…and the mainstream media morphed into students of Goebbels on their behalf…

      • Agnosticator

        This is just an example of this:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

        • john vieira

          He might have been a good Doctor…only maligned by history…however what the ‘historians(?)’ attributed to him is what this is all about. There is a growing and deepening call for accountability from legitimate sources regarding the aluminium and mercury (a substance that appears to be making a comeback in other areas despite the fact that ‘haz-mat’ teams are required to handle relatively small spills) and other ‘unsavoury’ ingredients.

          • Agnosticator

            Maligned by history? What about the people he experimented on when they were children? Here are some first hand, personal accounts: http://auschwitz.dk/Mengele/id24.htm
            He was not a “good doctor”. He was a monster.
            But in what “other areas” are aluminum and mercury “making a comeback” and for what?

          • john vieira

            They’re in your vaccines…since you asked….and you know better than me the “for what”…do you not???

        • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

          Wikipedia is not a credible source for much of anything.

  • Agnosticator

    “There is no evidence whatsoever to support such a claim, of course, but
    that doesn’t stop the media from repeating it — almost verbatim — in
    every news story that covers the repeated failures of the flu vaccine
    itself.”

    This is absolutely untrue.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm

    It’s been widely discussed that the vaccine is relatively less effective against the version of the flu that’s currently circulating. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a net benefit to individuals getting it and to the people around them. Will some people, including children, get the flu and perhaps die, despite having gotten the vaccine? Of course, that’s always been true – no vaccine is 100% and this one is much lower. Yes, that will be more likely this year than in previous years.

    This isn’t a scandal – it’s just the limit of what is known and of our ability to predict the future. Guessing which strain will be dominant in a particular flu season is very difficult to do. The decision as to which vaccine to manufacture must be made close to a year earlier and it will always be imperfect given how much the virus changes from year to year. To discourage people from getting the vaccine with idiotic scare stories like this is disgraceful and harmful.

    The authors and publishers of this article should be ashamed of themselves. If you’re reading it, don’t be taken in.

    As for thiomersal being harmful, please read this review that summarizes what we really know about that:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25862449

    The take away:

    “Many case-control and cohort studies have been conducted on a number of
    populations, and none of them have confirmed the hypothetical relation
    between thiomersal and increased risk of autism spectrum disorders
    (ASDs) development”

    Also, as it goes on to say, the number of cases of autism has been increasing even though the use of thiomersal has decreased substantially. If the thiomersal were causing the autism, we should certainly see a decrease. We don’t – instead we see the opposite happening.

    Again, don’t be fooled by bogus science.

    • bouncedancer

      Troll who can’t spell and who doesn’t know the issues. Ouch.

      • Agnosticator

        I hate the idea that anyone disagreeing with a popular opinion on a given site is automatically a troll. It relieves you of any obligation to reply, which would require you to make a cogent argument. Call me a troll and *poof* no need for any argument – you can just go on believing you’re right and you don’t have to explain yourself.

        Fine – if that’s the state of discussion, then don’t come to me when your child gets some hideous preventable disease like diphtheria or measles or rubella. You guys seem to think it’s nothing to worry about because nobody gets those diseases anymore so you don’t need vaccines. Well surprise – the only reason so few people get those diseases is *because* of the vaccines. I am so sick and tired of this nonsense, especially when it has the potential to kill children who would otherwise have led a normal life.

        Finally, what did I misspell?

        • bouncedancer

          What about all the children who would have led normal lives if not for being maimed or killed by vaccines? It’s a LOT, and not just children. Why is there NO talk about them? You do know, don’t you, about the secretive federal Vaccine Court? It has so far paid out over $4 BILLION in damages since it was instituted in the late 1980s by the Supreme Court, which removed liability from the vaccine manufacturers because “vaccines are inherently unsafe.”

          Take a close look at the statistics; the images tend to be very compressed, making it hard to see that all the big, communicable diseases took a huge drop BEFORE vaccine campaigns, but the vaccine manufacturers took credit. The actual credit goes to sanitation, plumbing and refrigeration. It’s actually poverty that kills. Why isn’t the Gates Foundation spearheading water and sanitation projects in the 3rd World?

          If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck ….. If you are not a troll, I suggest you study more materials on the subject than what you get from the CDC/WHO.

          • Agnosticator

            I’m afraid I have to disagree with you on what you say in your second paragraph. I’ll give you two examples: polio and smallpox.
            Here is a link to historical data on polio incidence and deaths in the US:
            https://ourworldindata.org/polio
            The important data, for this purpose, is the graph about 1/3 of the way down. Note the extremely rapid decrease in polio cases and deaths after about 1960. The amount of suffering and death that this vaccine prevented is enormous. You may not remember, but before the vaccine, polio used to be every mother’s fear every summer. Since 1960, no one even thinks about it. I am 67 and I don’t know anyone my age or younger who has had it.
            Now, smallpox: https://ourworldindata.org/eradication-of-diseases#smallpox
            About 1/4 of the way down is the data just for Sweden from 1722 to 1743 showing, again, an enormous decrease in the number of cases after the introduction of the vaccine in about 1800. Again, a huge reduction in suffering and death.
            Of course sanitation, etc. played an enormous role role in disease reduction, just not all diseases. Many cannot be prevented or mitigated by vaccination. Typhus, cholera, dysentery, etc. are much much more effectively prevented by improved sanitation and food handling. But throwing out vaccines as a tool because of that fact doesn’t make sense.
            Please provide me with data on children maimed and killed by vaccines. I have no doubt that there are some – there will always be allergic and anaphylactic reactions that are unexpected. But focusing only on those instances, which are far, far smaller than the number who would be maimed or die due these diseases also doesn’t make sense. It’s just that now you can point to those hurt by the vaccine, but you can’t point to those saved. They just got to live their lives as though nothing would have happened. But the data says that that is misleading.
            If you have data showing that vaccines harm more people than they help, please point me to it.
            Also, again, what about the spelling error?

          • Mollie Norris

            The BS about the efficacy of polio vaccine has been exposed as the CDC’s elimination of cases of acute flaccid paralysis as cases of polio – a cure by manipulation of statistics.

          • Agnosticator

            As below – send me a paper, or link to one describing exactly what what was done and how that affected the apparent efficacy of the polio vaccine. Just saying it’s so isn’t enough. I’ve said below that I’m a scientist and I know that the devil is very much in the details. Without those details and a thorough analysis of them, it is nearly impossible to verify whether a conclusion represents anything like the truth. There are a lot of hucksters out there, astoundingly, who seek to benefit in terms of notoriety and/or book sales on the basis of outright lies.

          • Alber Arunee

            A scientist? I think you mean a brainwashed university graduate of one kind or another.

            https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2014/12/01/53000-paralysis-cases-in-india-from-polio-vaccine-in-a-year-npafp-identical-to-polio-but-twice-as-deadly/

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • Agnosticator

            So acute flaccid paralysis is just a symptom, not a disease in an of itself. Individuals with polio may exhibit acute flaccid paralysis, but acute flaccid paralysis is a symptom of other diseases as well. I assume you mean to say that other causes of afp besides polio were conflated with polio in the statistics.
            Again, show me proof that this actually happened to a degree that is significant enough to alter the very dramatic change seen in what was deemed polio after about 1960. How did this happen?

          • Marie

            Oh, i have also read that polio is still here! But now they call it “Meningitis”!! This is a mild form of polio that mutated from the vaccine. So they don’t get in a lung machine anymore – they just get a mild form of…….POLIO and now call it Meningitis!

          • Alber Arunee

            Vaccines cause far more harm including deaths than the diseases they are falsely claimed to prevent. This was/is also true for the smallpox and polio vaccine, and every other vaccine for that matter.

            As an example, there have been zero deaths from measles in the USA but 108 deaths caused by the measles vaccine over the past ten years, not to mention the fact that 1 in every 50 American children is now autistic mainly because of the MMR vaccine they were injected with.

            Erwin Alber
            http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com

          • Marie

            Oh YES! 50 yrs ago Autism was one in ten thousand!!! Now i hear it’s one in 50 or one in 75, and i heard a news report recently that the estimates are by the year 2030 autism will be one in TWO!! Tell me it’s not from the vaccines! It’s the vaccines!

          • AutismDadd

            So where did you train to be this efficient at defending vaccines?

          • WoolyBug

            Let me guess… you’re a flat earther?

          • Marie

            I agree with you Bouncedancer. I have read too that due to sanitation the diseases stopped. And the Gardasel/herpe vaccine they are giving 12yr olds…a good number have died from it and others are maimed for life with auto immune diseases, bed ridden, can’t walk, sick all over. That vaccine is deadly. Do a search and read and see some videos the ones who think vaccines are “safe & effective” and the
            “benefits outweigh the risks”. Bullsh*t !! Peanut allergies in children are due to the peanut OIL they put in the babies vaccines and the body rejects all peanut derived food.

          • AutismDadd

            And that’s one country. What about the hundreds of countries with no reporting system or compensation? Imagine a World Compensation Program and how much $$$ it would pay out.

        • Mollie Norris

          Give it up – there are just too many millions of people around who had minor viral illnesses like measles as children to justify debasing yourself by posting garbage.

          • Agnosticator

            Of course lots of people had measles as children and survived just fine. I did.
            That’s not the point. Measles is a serious disease, with a significant complication rate:

            From the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html):

            – As many as one out of every 20 children with measles gets
            pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young
            children.
            – About one child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop
            encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and
            can leave the child deaf or with intellectual disability.
            – For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die from it.

            Read that last one again: the death rate from measles is 1-2 per thousand.

            According the WHO (http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/MMR_vaccine_rates_information_sheet.pdf), the rate of serious complications from the measles vaccine alone is between 1 in 2000-3000 (fever with seizures) to 1 in a million (for anaphylaxis). All of those can be managed and mitigated. Death can’t be mitigated, and the death rate from measles in unvaccinated populations is at least 2 to 3 times higher than even the most common serious side effect of the vaccine.

            No one ever said that vaccines don’t have side effects. It’s just that they help substantially more children than they hurt. That’s not much comfort for someone whose child was hurt by a vaccine, but anyone who has children knows that life forces you to play the odds. None of us has any choice in that. Why not improve them as much as you can?

          • Mollie Norris

            Are you really pretending the CDC is credible?

          • Agnosticator

            Send me something that is credible and shows something else and I’ll believe it.

          • bouncedancer

            Let’s see how much of a scientist you are: Do you know the only way polio is spread?

          • Agnosticator

            So you’re putting me to the test without offering any argument of your own? Ok, if that’s what you want.
            Anyone can look this up. You don’t need to be a scientist to do it.

            from: http://polio.emedtv.com/polio/how-is-polio-spread.html

            “How Is Polio Spread? — Fecal-Oral Polio Transmission

            Polio transmission most often occurs through contact with stool
            from an infected person. This spread of poliovirus can happen in one of
            several ways, which include:

            Eating food or drinking liquids that are contaminated with poliovirus. Poliovirus is commonly found in sewage water.

            Touching surfaces or objects contaminated with poliovirus (for
            instance, by changing diapers), and then placing the contaminated hand
            in the mouth.

            Sharing foods or eating utensils with someone infected with poliovirus.”

            Now I suspect you’re going to try to tell me that, because polio is most often (I think you believe it’s the only route) transmitted by the oral-fecal route, it was really sanitation that largely eliminated it. But, first, the drop in cases and deaths happened in the late 1950’s and early 1960’s. Major improvements in sanitation in the US happened decades before. I am 67 and I remember the late 1950’s – I did not use an outhouse and I don’t know anybody who did. We had sewers or underground cesspools and indoor plumbing with real flush toilets. Everyone knew about hygiene – indeed our parents were fanatical about it. What improvements in sanitation were there in the late 1950’s that could have changed the polio incidence rate?

            and then, from the same web site, there’s this:

            “Less commonly, polio transmission occurs through contact with
            respiratory droplets or saliva. When an infected person sneezes or
            coughs, droplets spray into the air. The infected mucus or saliva can
            land in other people’s noses or throats when they breathe or put their
            fingers in their mouth, nose, or eyes after touching an infected
            surface.”

            So that’s less common than the oral-fecal route, but when people live together in higher densities, as they do in cities or even suburbs where they are constantly near each other in stores, malls, public transportation, etc. etc., the less common routes of transmission become important.

            Remember that 95% of polio cases were asymptomatic. No one, least of all those affected, actually knew they had the disease and so they could go about their normal business, infecting people around them. For others, it just felt like a cold. This was probably how most of it was spread.

            Anything else?

          • bouncedancer

            OK, you passed that. But a scientist who claims to know about vaccines without knowing about he Vaccine Court and its $4 billion payout doesn’t get my respect. Do you know how many people have died from the measles in the US in recent times? One, who had autoimmune issues, probably derived from vaccines. How many people died from the vaccine in the same time span? Twelve.

            Not only are you dismissing vaccine injuries, I see no concern about the extreme rise of vaccine doses. You probably got, say, 6, or 8. Today’s children will have gotten over 70 if they follow the recommended schedule. And each dose has a high level of aluminum.
            Extremely high levels of aluminum have been found in ALL the brains of recently deceased autistic people. And also there is the recent Italian study that showed major contaminants in ALL the vaccines for humans that they looked at — contaminants like lead, blood, stainless steel and more. Prior to this, glass was found in the HPV vaccines, but no recall!

            So, what is your reason for the epidemics we are currently suffering from: Autism, Alzheimers and allergies? The trajectories of these epidemics are in lockstep with the vaccines.

            And what about those inconvenient studies that show unvaccinated children to be far healthier than the vaccinated?

          • Agnosticator

            I’m aware of the Vaccine Court. But you’ve made the same mistake in numbers as before. If it’s true, as you say, that only one person died from measles in recent times, that is a huge victory. Yes that victory was paid for with, assuming you’re correct (and I have no reason to doubt it), the lives of those twelve.
            But how many cases were prevented, and how many deaths? I said before that the death rate from measles was 1 to 2 in 1000. In a population of, say, 250 million (as it was before the vaccine), that means there were between 25,000 and 50,000 deaths per year from measles in the US. That’s a lot bigger than 12, isn’t it?
            In the end, with the vaccine, you reduce the death rate enormously. It’s just that a different group of people (perhaps) die. That seems like a good bargain since none of us knows which group we’re in beforehand anyway.

            The Court exists not to cover anything up – it’s there to make sure the vaccine makers keep making vaccines because of their enormous benefit to society. It wouldn’t take many heart-wrenching high profile lawsuits against vaccine makers to cost them so much money that making theoe vaccines is no longer worth it. Sure, they would lose each time, because it’s true – in that small number of cases, the vaccine really did cause that death or injury. The court exists to make sure those families are compensated, at least in terms of money (even though money itself could never compensate for a child’s death or injury), but society as a whole, which is deriving the huge benefit from vaccines is paying to compensate the small number of people injured by them (rather than the vaccine maker). There is nothing fishy about it – we all benefit, but a small number of people are hurt. We should help them out as much as we can, but that benefit, those tens of thousands of lives saved, are much too important to lose the tool by which they are saved.

          • Alber Arunee

            Measles mortality graphs based on official statistics clearly show that vaccination did NOT contribute to the remarkable decline of measles mortality over the past century. Why are you unaware of this? I thought you said that you are a scientist? Obviously not.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c34c554219b823d98af8e1387762505151ecc87176e087fff49415b67f0f4e7f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb51446125061475df4486f734c8c7e209aa8c924383b26d655b0ceb24cfa150.jpg

            The first graph shows the measles mortality decline in the US, the second the measles mortality decline in the UK.

            It was graphs like these which converted my from a brainwashed pro-vax moron to an outspoken anti-vaccination activist.

            More graphs here:

            https://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/do-infectious-disease-mortality-graphs-show-vaccines-save-lives/

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • AutismDadd

            You have it backwards. VAERS and NVICP exist because vaccine makers were being litigated out of business by being found at fault. Or were the courts antivaxxers and in league with the Wakefield Cult?

          • Agnosticator

            If there are studies showing unvaccinated children to be healthier than those who are vaccinated, please point me to them. Also, in what way are they healthier? What does that actually mean? That health had better be worth the lives (note, not the health, but the actual lives) of tens, maybe hundreds of other children. It had better be that good, because that would be its cost, even if it’s true.
            Same with the “epidemics” of autism ALZ and allergies. What evidence is there that connects any of this with vaccines?
            And what does aluminum have to do with any this? Again, evidence, please.
            Vaccines, like any other drug, are manufactured under what is called “good manufacturing process” that strictly governs purity, testing, handling, etc. etc. Many companies have been cited, fined and even closed down by the FDA for violations. If what you describe with vaccines has happened, please provide evidence of it and whether the magnitude of the contaminants was actually a significant health hazard, because the amount of these things actually matters. A lot.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            zzzzzzz……

          • Alber Arunee

            There are no official studies comparing the health of vaccinated with that of unvaccinated children because the corrupt government agencies such as the CDC refuse to do them – for good reason.

            Watch that evil bitch from the CDC squirm and become elusive when asked whether any such study had been done.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE9ZrybFDBw

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • Marie

            Ah, but the Amish children are much healthier than the vaccinated ones the rest of the world gets.

          • suzannerose

            In addition, I remember reading this woman now works for Merck….

          • AutismDadd

            Buh wah ha ha… so with your “good Manufacturing process” many companies have been cited, fined, and closed down for FDA violations? Yep that all sounds about right.

          • Marie

            Yes! Children ARE healthier without the vaccines. My son who is now in his late 40’s got ONE vaccine as a one yr old….well, the DPT so i guess that’s 3. Back in 1972. The next day he was very sick with a high fever of 103 for four days. I laid with him on the floor and took care of him. He had convulsions. I was lucky he was ok. After that i never ever had him get another vaccine! It was easy in those days. All you did was write a note to the school and fill out a form. I copied from a book what vaccines he “got”. Now since everything is controlled you can’t do that. Kids these days are very sickly. I was ten in 1958. They only had polio and small pox shots. I got 2 polio and no small pox cuz i was so scared of needles that i vomited and they passed me by. So i don’t have that god awful mark on my arm now. I do have lipoma’s all over my body i believe from the polio shots. They are little fat tumors. I have a few on each leg and a few on my arms, small but there. I read it’s from the polio vaccines. My son also never got his tonsils out. When he was in the hosp. for an eye operation – which they screwed up and he had bad eye aches for the next 20 yrs – a kid in the next bed had his tonsils out and he started to hemmorrhage and they had to rush him back into surgery. So after i saw that i never had his tonsils out, and to this day i never see him with a cold, not in the last 30 yrs.

          • AutismDadd

            19 countries have compensation programs. The rest don’t. What happens to vaccine victims in hundreds of countries with little to no reporting systems?

          • Kathy Fuller

            As a scientist your bar should be very high. Apparently, according to these top experts, that is not the case for many scientists:

            From Dr. Richard Horton, the
            current editor-in-chief of the Lancet:

            The case against science is straightforward: much of
            the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by
            studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses,
            and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing
            fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards
            darkness.

            This link provides the comment section written by
            Dr. Horton that contains his quote: http://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736%2815%2960696-1.pdf

            The next quote is from Dr. Marcia Angell who served
            as editor-in-chief of the New England Medical Journal:

            It is simply no longer possible to believe much of
            the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted
            physicians or authoritative medical guidelines (like vaccine recommendations).
            I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly
            over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.

            Dr. Angell’s quote is from her book The Truth About
            Drug Companies. Dr. Angell has a
            lecture on pharmaceutical corruption here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDbQNBla6aU

            Quote from Arnold Seymour Relman (Harvard Professor
            of Medicine and Former Editor-in-Chief of the New England Medical Journal:

            The medical profession is being bought by the
            pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but
            also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this
            country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical
            industry. I think it’s disgraceful.

            Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1126053/#ref15

            According to the WHO approximately 69% of current
            peer reviewed research is funded by the pharmaceutical industry which means
            that over 2/3s of the science doctors are relying on to make vaccine
            recommendations has the potential to be heavily flawed. Since the pharmaceutical industry
            is engaging in this unethical behavior to protect their bottom line, it is safe
            to assume that the vast majority of flawed science favors the pro-vax stance.

            How the funding bias works straight from a former Pfizer
            executive: http://vaxxter.com/former-pfizer-executive-says-the-vaccine-is-deadly/

          • Alber Arunee

            Please stop before I kill myself laughing.

            Erwin Alber

          • Tweety

            What everyone seems to forget is the fact that medications and vaccines used to be all plant based, now they are a plethora of deadly poisonous chemicals! I have a release form for any Dr. Or nurse to sign stating that the vaccines are safe, any takers?

          • Alber Arunee

            Vaccines were never plant based. The first vaccine was pus and lymph taken from a cowpox blister on the hand of an English dairy maid called Sarah Nelmes. As demand for the vaccine increased, orphan children were inoculated with this filth and the pus and lymph from their vaccine blisters used to vaccinate other people. This however transferred diseases such as tuberculosis, gonorrhea and syphilis to people who got the vaccine, so vaccine production was shifted to the use of calves kept for the purpose. Their bellies were shaven and shallow parallel cuts were made into their skin which were infected with cowpox lymph. After a few days, when the cuts were festering, the pus, lymph and blisters were harvested by scraping them off with a sharp spoon. This mess was then filtered and diluted with glycerine. This was the vaccine which was 184 years later (in 1980) falsely claimed to have eradicated smallpox. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18eb7683c0cef87539943f5d6a8a0893d0262224461ea6d7a62b1cef5a799c77.jpg

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • AutismDadd

            Ew bring me a bucket…

          • Marie

            Any of you taking the blood pressure drug called Lisinopril? It is made from Viper Pit snake venom .It kills it’s prey by lowering it’s blood pressure! The pill works very good to lower peoples blood pressure and you can take it for 20 yrs with no problem, until ONE day you suddenly have an allergic reaction called Angiodema where your throat and tongue swell up and if not getting to the hospital you will surely die!

          • Alber Arunee

            Vaccines don’t have “side”-effects because the harm they cause is their ONLY – and in my estimation INTENDED – effect.

            CDC = Centers for Disease Creation and Proliferation.

            The CDC is a front for the medical-pharmaceutical mafia.

            A scientist is someone who knows. You don’t know, so you are not a scientist. You are at best a junk scientist.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • Marie

            I believe that the majority of the vaccines given to chidren are to “CONTAMINATE THE HUMAN GENE POOL!” That is their basic purpose – to make humans now and in the future sickly and weak. Weak mentally and weak physically and having all kinds of health problems that cannot even be pinpointed to the “vaccines” they were given as children. So in the future they will need all kinds of drugs to stay alive!

        • Michelle Perruzzi

          I like the way you think 🙂

          • Alber Arunee

            It hardly qualifies as thinking. It’s more like programming installed by his handlers.

            Erwin Alber

        • Alber Arunee

          Vaccines have never protected anyone or saved anyone’s life. The so-called “vaccine-preventable” diseases have declined as living conditions improved. Vaccines had NOTHING to do with it. Vaccination has been a failure and a fraud right from its beginning in 1796 and an ongoing disaster ever since. Vaccination programmes are an integral part of the psychopathic elites’ global depopulation agenda. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c81ddaba53468b267d4083eb840f204166b7e8541358e8c1f132829029d72f8a.jpg

          Erwin Alber
          Vaccination Information Network

          • Marie

            Yes! It is to contaminate the human gene pool !!!!!

    • Anne Marie Healy

      A shill for big pharma. I hope the money is worth it.

      • Agnosticator

        Yes of course you would think that, rather than looking closely at the numbers. I am talking about thousands of lives saved. Vaccines are not particularly profitable so the court exists to keep the companies from exiting the market entirely. Do some real research on this before automatically assuming a position.

        • Alber Arunee

          Where is the proof that vaccines have saved millions of lives? There is none. Vaccines have never protected anyone, or saved a single life,

          Vaccines are highly profitable not only because vaccination programmes are government-promoted and taxpayer-funded all over the world, but even more do because the financial benefits from the sale of drugs used to manage the disasters caused by vaccines for profit are a major if not THE major source of income for the medical-pharmaceutical mafia. A sick population is profitable, while a healthy population is not; hence the need to make and to keep us sick with vaccines (and other means).

          Erwin Alber https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c81ddaba53468b267d4083eb840f204166b7e8541358e8c1f132829029d72f8a.jpg

          • Marie

            Yes vaccines are to make and keep us sick and make more money for the drug companies!

        • AutismDadd

          You are parroting the usual nonsense. Vaccines are profitable.

          • Agnosticator

            I didn’t say they weren’t. But compared to pills like Lipitor that people take every day for the rest of their lives they aren’t nearly as profitable. Vaccines, some given once in a person’s life, others (the flu vaccine is the only one I can think of in this category), given yearly just aren’t big sellers since people don’t need them so often. Sometimes the costs overwhelm the profit, especially if there are a lot of lawsuits for the relatively small number of people hurt (compared to the much larger number who benefit). In this case, the Vaccine court pays those extra costs so the benefit we all get is retained. Simple, but you have to educate yourself and be open to understanding it.

          • AutismDadd

            Yea Blah blah…they are profitable…PERIOD

          • Agnosticator

            These companies are not charities. Is that your problem? If so, why? If you can think of a better model (and there may be one), then do something about it instead of ranting on here. Go found a non-profit that will develop a drug to help someone. Now, how many of them already exist? Not too many, I think. That might tell you something.

          • AutismDadd

            non-profits exist but buy vaccines to send to third world, not realizing some will not do well when injected.

          • Agnosticator

            Not really an answer to my question. Why are you opposed to profit-making companies? How could you do it better?

          • AutismDadd

            I wouldn’t. If I had a cure for say cancer, I’d give it away, not become filthy wealthy. Big Pharma owns cures and prevention and holds it for ransom.

      • Agnosticator

        Yes, I am a scientist at a very small specialty pharmaceutical company that has no involvement in vaccines whatsoever. I am on here because I am offended by the ridiculous charges, made with no substantiation, of vast harm due to vaccines. I am a scientist and I am very aware of how difficult it is figure out what is actually true. We don’t rely on what some guy on the internet told us, we go to the lab or the clinic and find out for ourselves. Even then, data can be difficult to interpret and we make mistakes. All one can do is ones best. This article is so far from that best that it makes me angry.

    • Alber Arunee

      I have news for you: apart from all the make-believe, vaccination has NOTHING to do with disease prevention. Vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise dressed up as disease prevention by means of junk science. The sooner this medical fraud, child abuse and crime against humankind is abolished, the better.

      Erwin Alber https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c81ddaba53468b267d4083eb840f204166b7e8541358e8c1f132829029d72f8a.jpg

      • Agnosticator

        Please supply some substantiation of this charge other than a cartoon.

  • Stephanie Christian

    why for Gods name in 2018 are we not putting people on immediately Vitamin C IV when they have upper respiratory infections….

    • Mollie Norris

      Because of Big Pharma’s character assassination of Linus Pauling and its use of pseudoscience to discredit his science. Pauling advocated large doses of Vitamin C, which is a catalyst; it’s not consumed; it influences biochemical reactions and is excreted. Big Pharma exploited the public’s ignorance by showing that Vitamin C was excreted and claiming that it had no effect based on that fact.

      • Alber Arunee

        The medical-pharmaceutical mafia would rather let people die from the flu or other infections than to give them vitamin C. https://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/vitamin-c-saves-new-zealand-farmers-life/

        Erwin Alber

      • Deplorablette

        Of course it is excreted. That’s it’s purpose. To carry junk out of the body.

      • Agnosticator

        It wasn’t character assassination, it was simply science. The studies Pauling used in his research (he didn’t actually do any of his own) were very flawed. They also included 10 days of IV vitamin C, something most of us are unlikely to do, as well as differences in how sick the patients were in the control vs. the treatment group. A later Mayo Clinic study found no effect of vitamin C (vs. placebo), but the results were very contentious with much back and forth between Pauling and the Mayo researchers including charges of scientific misconduct on both sides. The Mayo study was flawed as well and no new study was done by anyone to correct those flaws, so that interest in vitamin C for this purpose waned.
        Newer results are now suggesting a modest benefit for vitamin C in the prevention of colds, but not for cancer.

        • Mollie Norris

          There’s lots of published research in addition to the Mayo Clinic’s. What’s consistent in all the research I’ve looked at is positive or promising results that justify further research, with no additional research funded, research that’s conducted outside of Big Pharma-controlled US, browsers that crash during searches and tabs displaying research publications that mysteriously close.

          “Effects of High Doses of Vitamin C on Cancer Patients in Singapore: Nine Cases
          The clinical response of 9 cancer patients of differing stages to the regular administration of large doses (25-100 g/d) of intravenous vitamin C (IVC; ascorbic acid) is outlined. Tumor pathology and patient health were verified by doctors who do not practice vitamin C treatment.
          RESULTS:
          Cases suggesting survival beyond prognosis, improvement in quality of life, safe coadministration with and improved tolerance of conventional therapy, and deterioration in clinical condition following withdrawal of vitamin C therapy are documented clinically. Some patients experience the Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction-the release of endotoxin from microorganism death resulting in pimples, fever, and body odor-for a few hours after the therapy, but these are resolved quickly with no lasting
          effects.
          CONCLUSION:
          Randomized trials of IVC therapy are recommended because it has minimal side effects and has shown promising results.”
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26679971

          “Intravenously administered vitamin C as cancer therapy: three cases
          We found 3 well-documented cases of advanced cancers, confirmed by histopathologic review, where patients had unexpectedly long survival times after receiving high-dose intravenous vitamin C therapy. We examined clinical details of each case in accordance with National Cancer Institute (NCI) Best Case Series guidelines. Tumour pathology wasverified by pathologists at the NCI who were unaware of diagnosis or treatment. In light of recent clinical pharmacokinetic findings and in vitro evidence of anti-tumour mechanisms, these case reports indicate that the role of high-dose intravenous vitamin C therapy in cancer treatment should be reassessed.”
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1405876/

          Vitamin C in Disease Prevention and Cure: An Overview
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3783921/

          • Agnosticator

            Thank you. Although the 12 cases in the two studies you quoted do not in themselves settle the issue, these studies are interesting and should be followed up. The review article was even more interesting. There is clearly some controversy in several areas, but there does seem to be something there. Even so, it will take a very large study with hundreds of patients to establish this firmly (or refute it) for cancer or maybe just one type of cancer. Those are extremely expensive and who would pay for it? BTW I take vit C myself.

          • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

            12 pretend cases that, even if existed, you would not be qualified to assess.

          • http://www.thedailydigest.org TheEditor

            Mollie: You’re responding to a shill. She has no evidence or anything she can quote, so she refers to some WordPress blog run by some yahoo.

          • Mollie Norris

            Thanks; I figured that was the case, and posted my comment for others who might be misled, but I appreciate your confirmation.

    • EllyW

      Last I knew, the FDA was trying to make IV Vitamin C impossible to get. I don’t know the details or the outcome, but there was definitely a move to prevent doctors from being able to use this treatment option.

      As long as a person can swallow, oral Vitamin C can be given and will do some good. So will elderberry tea…

      • Marie

        I get health newsletters and i read recently that the FDA just recently banned IV Vit C. and that even hospitals are no longer allowed to use it. More money for the death-drug companies now.

    • Agnosticator

      Anyone can take vitamin C any time they want to. Who is stopping them? Yes, there is some new evidence that it does prevent colds and upper respiratory infections.

  • Paul Hayward

    Claims of safety have been made in the past on literally dozens of drugs and chemicals that were later withdrawn. Lawsuits were brought, judgements were paid, and non-disclosure agreements were signed on to by the victims – erasing any viable evidence that would serve as a warning to the Public of possible dangers involved. Only TIME will tell what the truth is – you will never get it from the drug manufacturers, and they will only stop gathering profits on any given compound when forced to. This system is barbaric, and takes complete advantage of the Public by way of omissions in the reporting of adverse events, and withholding of data that would be damaging to the potential sales of the compound involved. So much for “First Do No Harm”.

  • http://iamajuicer.wordpress.com/ Lee Stevenson

    If vaccines were effective and safe then why are they protected from liability. That in itself is and admission they are harmful. The proof is they vaccine compensation fund set up by our government. Most do not know how to identify the subtle signs of vaccine injury like sudden behavior changes, allergies, constant colds and infections, they develop food intolerance, they will not engage people as much. The list goes on and on.

    • Mollie Norris

      Just
      Unsuccessful Modern Medical Miracles: The Fraud Behind the
      Polio and Smallpox Vaccines
      https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1424/518cce4ee7c43cd98892446a1350d44b7371.pdf

      http://
      Polio: The Disease, the Vaccine and the Controversies
      http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Polio-The-Disease-the-Vaccine-and-the-Controversies

    • Marie

      I also read that the reason some children are allergic to peanuts is due to the peanut oil put in the childrens vaccines. It does not belong in the blood stream and the body starts attacking it and causing a peanut allergy.

      • AutismDadd

        Look up SQUALENE oil ingredients

        • Marie

          I will look that up tonite. It makes sense then.

    • AutismDadd

      And there are 19 countries with compensation programs, leaving hundreds with none. When we are fed vaccine injury stats where are the ones from countries with no programs?

    • Agnosticator

      I explained that elsewhere on this thread. Of course people get hurt from vaccines, but many, many more are helped and they are all invisible because they get to live normal lives. Nothing to point to – you don’t even know who they are.

      • http://iamajuicer.wordpress.com/ Lee Stevenson

        How much did you get paid to state that or are you really that blind to the fake science behind vaccinations?

        • Agnosticator

          Of course I’m not paid to do this. It would a really crappy and discouraging job. I am offended personally by wild statements having no substantiation passed off as gospel. What actual properly done peer reviewed scientific work is there that substantiates what you are saying?

  • jessica

    I’m totally against vaccines, but I’m equally against lies. PROVE that 44,000+ people have died of the flu. That’s a flat lie. You can’t fight poison with lies.

    • Agnosticator

      According to the CDC (https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html), it looks like there have been a little over 3,000 deaths from influenza in the US this season. You have to download the data, then sum the values for “NUM INFLUENZA DEATHS” to get a number of 3141 through mid January. That’s probably about half the season, so the number should at least double by the end of the flu season.
      Worldwide, the number is probably a lot higher, maybe even close to the 44,000 figure.

      • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

        CDC is a private corporation, who cares what they say?? Why don’t they worry that the one cause of death in America that is higher than all their cited figures for epidemics, drug crisis’, pandemics, heart disease, cancer (curable), is simple DOCTOR/HOSPITAL ERROR??
        America is controlled by corporations and banks who run the govt. This form of govt, corporatism NOT a Representative govt. is commonly referred to as fascism. Americans are too stupid to understand they live in a fascist state.

        • Marie

          I hate this century! I call the time we are living in “the age of poison”. I want to go back to the 1500’s in Europe and sit with the poets and writers and drink red wine and eat cheese, bread and grapes, go to bed drunk and content, get up and do it all over again……..

          • Agnosticator

            You do know, don’t you, what the average life expectancy was back then, right? Most children died before they were 5. Many women died in childbirth. The plague come back again and again. Smallpox was rampant. It’s been estimated that North and South America together were the home of nearly 70 million native peoples. Within 100 years, long before large scale conquest of the Americas, the estimates are that the population was down to around 5% of the original 70 million, or about 3.5 million. Early explorers of the Mississippi reported numerous villages up and down the river. By 1600, they were all gone. That’s what smallpox does in very vulnerable populations who had never been exposed to it and therefore had little or no natural immunity. For Europeans, who had already gone through multiple smallpox epidemics, the death rate was much lower and didn’t destroy whole societies, but even that death rate was horrendous.
            So enjoy your red wine and your cheese and your bread and your grapes in the 1500’s for as long as you can. You may not have been able to do it over again.
            I suspect you may not like the CDC, but you should read this anyway:
            https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm

          • Marie

            I do know a lot of that, but still i would trade this century for another in a heartbeat. The whole earth now is poisoned – the air, the water, the food. The plants and animals are dying. There is aluminum in our water, creeks, rivers, streams, heavy metals in the air from Nano aluminum, barium and strontium. Our food is contaminated, GMO, pesticides, Nano particulates on the veggies which i have read are hard to wash off. The heavy metal nano particles pass right thro the blood/brain barrier and are giving us more Alzheimers at an earlier age. The ozone is going, it’s only 1/4 inch thick. The suns radiation is harming the plant life and the animal life. See http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org. They are fracking and taking the oil out of the earth creating earthquakes and contaminating the water. We are NOT free at all. We think we are. We are conditioned, propagandized and brainwashed to believe government is our only God. They are destroying our History – wiping it out at every turn. They are changing our very own history books. They are feeding us poisoned food so we will be weaker mentally and physically. We are being hit from all sides every minute of the day. Due to HAARP and also the cell phone towers we are bombarded with harmful frequencies to our brains. It is so subtle. We cannot see it or feel it, and if we get enraged or depressed or suicidal it could very well be the frequencies that are hitting our brain all the time. Wifi is very dangerous to our brain too. We have very little freedom and more is taken away day by day. It is a struggle to stay alive and healthy. Our children are subjected to poison vaccines in order to dumb them down and make them sicker as they grow up. We have NO choice in whether we want our children to be shot up or not. We must blindly accept what the government tells us. THIS is freedom? THIS is the world you like to live in? No, not for me. I am stuck here, but i do not have to like it or agree that it is “ok’. We are also being trained to totally depend upon technology for practically everything. We ARE losing our humanity. This is the PLAN tho. In the future we will be controlled by….frequencies. Enjoy the next ten yrs cuz time is very short and we and the earth are not going to be here much longer. The earth is dying! Yes, take me back to the 1500’s. I may live a short life, but i will live a FREE life and free of manmade poison especially falling from the sky 24/7. Go outside at nite in the darkest part of your yard, shine a strong flashlite up, look about 2-3 inches above the light. You will see thousands of tiny nano particulates swirling about in the air – the air that we BREATHE! This stuff is NOT supposed to be in the air that we breathe! It is killing us slowly. If i had a time machine yes i would go back in time in a NY minute!

        • Agnosticator

          The CDC is part of the government. It is not a private corporation but rather under the US Department of Health and Human Services.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            U R wrong-sorry.Dunn&Bradstreet& Manta and other business listing sites say otherwise. Anticorriptionsociety.com for anyone w/a brain who is tired office lies.

          • Agnosticator

            No, you are wrong. Try going to Dun and Bradstreet and search for “US House of Representatives” in the District of Columbia. You will get listings for it. Would you try to tell me that that means the the US House of Representatives is a private company? Use your head.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            Yes/govt is a corporation-see US-code

          • Agnosticator

            Where do you see that? I don’t.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Coonhoundnose/posts/p/pub Coonhound

            There appears to be quite a bit you don’t see. Search engine not working, all 100 of them? Yes most churches are corporations too, 501c3. Courts are as well which is why they do not go by the Constitution but UCC aka Universal Commercial Code. For those of you reading along who want to know why this country is so off and are not hopelessly brainwashed w/the disease of know-it-all-ism (when one knows it all, They can never learn anything):
            28 U.S. Code 15) “United States” means—
            (A) a Federal corporation;
            (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
            (C) an instrumentality of the United States.
            https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002
            Search:
            Organic Act of 1877 (or 1871)Constitution OF United States replaced corporation FOR the United States.
            Govts don’t declare bankruptcy, corporations do. 1933 declaration of bankruptcy. F.D.R.Gold confiscation…..

          • Agnosticator

            Similarly, if you go to Manta.com and search for “Federal Bureau of Investigation” near Washington DC, you will get at least three listings. Does that mean the FBI is a private company. Of course not. Give me a break. You’ve been taken in by a shady web site trying to make trouble. Russians? Who can know for certain, but whenever you can validate the data or the method, you should at least do that before believing what you have been told.

          • john vieira

            You’re dealing with an “industry troll”….and do not forget that the mainstream media is corrupt and are on their side…hence the growing voices of dissent are being drowned out, even those emanating from credible sources. There are many 1/2 truths in this beings comments…which are whole lies…par for the course…Albeit the people they should be debating with…the researchers and medics on the “other side”…they are NOT…and are just “blustering” and bullying…anyway…check the names of some of the top CDC people…might be “educational”….

      • Mollie Norris

        I you dig a little deeper, you’ll find that, like polio, testing for the specific virus is rare. Diagnoses are based primarily on symptoms, which are common to many viruses.

      • Alber Arunee

        CDC = Centers for Deception and Corruption.

        Are US flu death figures more PR than science?
        http://www.bmj.com/content/331/7529/1412

        Erwin Alber

        • Agnosticator

          Ok, then. Presumably this means you think the statistics are suspect. Find me a better source.

  • Josh Tolley

    The News media is hooked on drugs, and that is pharmaceutical advertisement dollars. So the media wont bite the hand that feeds them.

  • Bev Cotter

    How can this article be true when there is a lie in the second sentence? I don’t see how that total number of deaths can be correct when my state of NC only has 140 flu deaths for this whole season. I looked at the article’s source for this and don’t see that 44,116 number anywhere. The source does say, “A total of 17,101 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported between October 1, 2017 and February 3, 2018.” If this is true, it is not possible that there have been 44,116 deaths. I’m not saying the flu isn’t dangerous or the vaccines are a good idea. I haven’t been vaccinated myself, but articles like this just spread lies and hysteria.

    • cfraun

      I believe that 44,000 number is world-wide, not just for the U.S.

      • Alber Arunee

        They’re just figures drawn out of a hat or gleaned from gazing into a crystal ball. It’s commonly known as “creative accounting.”

        Never believe or trust anything provided or recommended by the CDC = Centers for Deception and Corruption

        Erwin Alber

    • Alber Arunee

      YourNewsWire is known to be a source of fake news

      Erwin Alber

  • cfraun

    I agree that the flu vaccine is worthless, and I refuse to get one. However, the last paragraph states that the flu is a preventable infection. Really? It spreads like wildfire through schools and the general population. You would have to stay home all winter in isolation to avoid all flu germs that are out there! So, I’d like to know what the author meant by that phrase.

    • Alber Arunee

      I have never had a flu shot yet I haven’t had a flu in years. I just live healthy and trust my immune system to look after me. What’s wrong with getting the flu anyway? If one is in reasonable health it’s not a problem, and if one is unhealthy the flu or the vaccine can be dangerous and possibly life-threatening.

      Erwin Alber

      • Marie

        Go get some Oregano oil at the health store or from Amazon. It will protect you and help cure the flu or a head cold even. Tastes god awful!!! You may gag. Put a drop or two on a tiny piece of bread, roll into a ball and swallow with lots of water and maybe eat a piece of candy after or chew gum cuz it’s awful, but i think way better than getting the flu.

    • Marie

      Gee. I have the news on now and they just announced that the flu is on the rise!!! So much for the shots eh?

  • Омаров

    A universal vaccine against influenza can not in principle be, because the virus is constantly mutating. Therefore, vaccination is often useless.
    Only the strengthening of human immunity solves the problem of countering influenza and other diseases. Simple vitamin C – ascorbic acid, increases immunity. Therefore, it is necessary to take more often, and in case of illness, even in large quantities, so that the body effectively counteracts the virus.

    • Agnosticator

      Yes, it is continuously mutating, but there are core molecular components that are stable. Making a vaccine against these is much more difficult, but such a vaccine would, at least in theory, be effective over time.

  • Larua

    pharma is not in a panic, because they are pleased with what they have created

    • AutismDadd

      And the free test subjects are in the millions

  • Dale Little

    If you read the whole article you will see this is not as much a news article as it is an opinion piece. They talk about it as if it is never effective and ther is no evidence that if one does get the flu afterwards it is less severe. Let me be the evidence that That has been exactly my experience after taking the flu shot every year since it’s became easily available, maybe 1970. So you or someone you know has had negative experiences? Then don’t take it, but let’s stop all the lies from both sides.

    • Alber Arunee

      You may or may not be interested to know that according to Dr. Fudenberg people who take the flu shot five years in a row have a ten-fold increased risk of Alzheimer’s. I’d rather take the risk of getting the flu than get the flu shot any day.

      Erwin Alber

      • Marie

        Yes i have read that if you get the flu shot every yr for five or ten yrs you are more prone to getting Alzheimers.

  • Wendy Allen

    The Flu shot itself may hurt and not help the flu. 2000mg of fish oil daily stopped my colds/flu for more than 20 years. Vit C/Zn/fish oil/garlic/oil of oregano/Vit A/Vit D3/no gluten/no sugar etc may help the immune system/flu.

  • Neo

    Of course the flu vaccine is causing the spread of the flu and causing massive sickness and deaths.
    That is the whole purpose of the vaccine.
    That way they can push more bs lies and fear to the sleepimg masses on mandating more shots for next year.
    It is getting worse every year with government corruption and Big Pharma.

    • Marie

      Yes. What idiots who believe the flu vaccine will save them. I did read the people who get the flu shot are shedding the flu virus and spreading it to others! So now they keep saying “everyone get your flu shot” and they do, and see how the flu keeps spreading and has not even reached a peak yet as of this Feb. 14, 2018.

    • AutismDadd

      Its called the FLU VACCINE…its more than a hint!

      • Neo

        The best one is when they say you might get flu like symptoms but its not the flu….lol!!

        • AutismDadd

          Admitting the truth doesn’t sell vaccines.

        • Agnosticator

          Why should that be so crazy? Most symptoms of cold and flu are the result of your body’s attempts to fight it. Think fever, aches, maybe chills (from interferon produced by the body). When you inject people with deactivated or killed virus, people who already have some immunity will see their immune systems start to fight the virus, but their symptoms will be relatively mild since their immunity was only partial. That’s why you shouldn’t have the same vaccine twice – the reaction will be really bad once you have full immunity already.

        • AutismDadd

          Or when they say the SHOT can’t give you flu, then does and its verified

          • tomonthebay

            Verified where? Dead virus can not give you influenza.

          • AutismDadd

            Do some reading tomonthetake

          • tomonthebay

            Name your source or admit you are lying. Dead virus can not transmit disease. That is a biological fact.

          • AutismDadd

            have any evidence?

          • tomonthebay

            What part of DEAD virus are you unable to understand? Are you truly that dense? Apparently you are.

          • AutismDadd

            How would you get legitimate protection w/o legitimate reaction?

          • tomonthebay

            The response is to the presence of the protein, not to viral replication.

          • AutismDadd

            And nothing more? No heavy reaction caused by adjuvants or other ingredients? Explain weakness, fainting, anaphylactic reaction and seizures after vaccination. In fact MERCK admits fainting and seizures from Gardeathsil

          • Ron Roy

            There’s no such thing as a LIVING virus.

          • Bored Now

            There’s no such thing as a LIVING virus.

            Only under a specific definition of “life”. However under such a definition there is no such thing as a “live wire” or “dead car battery”. Yet both are legitimate usages of the term.

            Since nothing about tomonthebay’s statement necessitates that kind of definition of “living”. Your point is either moot or you needed someone to teach you how English works…in which case…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79DijItQXMM&t=127s

            Keep on entertaining me.

          • tomonthebay

            The virus in flu vaccine is always described as killed or inactivated. Regardless of the term used, the virus in unable to replicate and cause illness. That help you Ron?

          • AutismDadd

            Described….And since when have descriptions of vaccines been truthful?

          • AutismDadd

            Then perhaps its not dead.

    • Agnosticator

      Why do you believe this? What data do you have that substantiates this claim? Don’t just tell me it’s big pharma propaganda that vaccines don’t cause flu and that they work (although not always as well as we would like). Data is all that matters. Without data, it’s just BS.

      • Neo

        Lol…data provided by Big Pharma.
        The flu shot creates big business for Big Pharma, like the rest of their toxic junk science vaccines!
        You inject the toxic shot, cause the spread of the flu and death to elders, children, and the immune compromised.
        Spread fear and lies that the flu is causing massive sickness and death to cause panic to the sleeping masses, therefore pushing and creating more vaccines.
        It’s bad practice for the industry to shoot themselves and their stakeholders in the foot.
        Their lives depend on it!
        It’s a big whirlwind of lies and corruption.

        • Agnosticator

          So I have to ask you again, what actual evidence is there that any of this is true?

          • Neo

            Look around you at the deaths and destruction vaccines are causing with such a so called advanced meducal industry.
            Been to a children’s hospital lately to see all the children dying and suffering from cancers caused by vaccines!!

          • Agnosticator

            I’m sorry, much as it pains me to see sick children (I spent two years working in a children’s hospital), that’s not data. Some children die – yes, even a few from vaccinations. It’s awful, but it happens. The question is why. Where is the data that says that the number harmed by vaccinations is anywhere close to the number protected, the ones who didn’t get the awful disease the vaccine was intended to prevent? Do you know any children (or adults younger than, say 60) who had polio? I don’t. Before the late 50’s it was every mother’s fear, every summer. Does anyone even think of it today? And why is that?

        • Agnosticator

          Your entire post consisted of unfounded assertions. You clearly believe these things to be true, but I would challenge you to provide any substantiation of them.
          It’s really easy to make an accusation, but determining what is actually true is hard. Anyone these days can create a web site that looks utterly professional while its content may be completely or at least partially unfounded. Please at least consider what evidence there is for any of this.

    • Agnosticator

      This is just paranoid nonsense.

  • AutismDadd

    They have close to blanket immunity from litigation, so why would they panic? To Pharma this is the “VACCINE WORKING” and ALL negative reactions are inconvenient coincidence. They are likely planning their next marketing plan for another round of flu shots.

  • Agnosticator

    There is an old saying: never fight with a pig. You’ll only get dirty and the pig loves it.
    Your beliefs are your beliefs and that’s that. Still, demonizing Jews was the first step toward the Holocaust. Is that where you’re headed?

  • Eva-Maria Oeser

    Since healthy children do not just die from the flu, the case should be clear. How many of the dead children were vaccinated? Probably almost all.