CDC Doctor: ‘Disastrous’ Flu Shot Is Causing Deadly Flu Outbreak

A CDC doctor has warned this year's "disastrous" flu shot may be responsible for the deadly flu epidemic sweeping the country.

A CDC doctor has warned this year’s “disastrous” flu shot may be responsible for the deadly flu epidemic sweeping the country.

Some of the patients I’ve administered the flu shot to this year have died,” the doctor said, adding “I don’t care who you are, this scares the crap out of me.”

We have seen people dying across the country of the flu, and one thing nearly all of them have in common is they got the flu shot.”

Scientists were worried this year’s flu season was going to be rough and their fears have been proven well founded. The flu season is off to a record-breaking start, with the CDC reporting widespread flu activity from coast to coast. Many health officials believe that 2018 will ultimately be the worst flu outbreak that we have experienced since 1918.

The CDC doctor’s experience of patients dying of the flu after receiving the flu shot is sadly not uncommon. Eight Santa Barbara County residents have died from the flu in the last fortnight. Seven of them had the flu shot.

This deadly pattern is replicating itself across the country. Yet health officials are still telling people to get the flu shot, even though it does not work well this season. Health officials have started admitting that the vaccine is only 10% effective.

The verdict is out on flu shots. Many medical experts now agree it is more important to protect yourself and your family from the flu vaccine than the flu itself.

Every year the pharmaceutical industry, medical experts and the mainstream media work hard to convince us to get vaccinated against the flu. 2018 is no different. But, as usual, we’re not being told the whole story.

Pharmaceutical companies provide mainstream media outlets with a huge percentage of their advertising revenue. Big pharmaceutical companies actually spend far more on advertising than research. We are talking hundreds of billions of dollars.

Big Pharma’s dollars have effectively purchased the silence of mainstream media. You can no longer believe anything they say about pharmaceuticals, especially vaccines.

It is clear Big Pharma is desperate to ensure mainstream media outlets never tell us about adverse reactions or the toxic chemicals being injected into us in the flu shot.

Flu vaccines contain dangerous ingredients 

The pharmaceutical industry, medical experts and the mainstream media admit to us that flu vaccines contain strains of the flu virus. What they are less likely to reveal though is the long list of other ingredients that come with the vaccine.

It is now a known fact that flu vaccines contain mercury, a heavy metal known to be hazardous for human health. Mercury toxicity can cause depression, memory loss, cardiovascular diseases, respiratory problems, ADD, oral health problems, digestive imbalances and other serious health issues.

The flu vaccines actually do not immunize but sensitize the body against the virus

Have you ever noticed how vaccinated children get sick almost immediately following a vaccination?

This is because the flu virus is introduced into their bodies. So rather than immunize, the flu shot actually only sensitizes the body against the virus.

And the fact that it causes individuals to get ill following a shot indicates immuno-suppression (i.e. lowering of the immunity).

Makes you more susceptible to pneumonia and other contagious diseases

For someone with an already suppressed immune system, injecting strains of the flu virus can have devastating consequences.

If your body is already working to fight off a virus or simply operating with low immunity, a vaccine injection could put your body in serious danger of contracting influenza with stronger symptoms, or even worse pneumonia and other contagious diseases.

Weakens immunological responses

There have been literally thousands of medical journal articles published that show injecting vaccines can lead to harmful immunological responses and a host of other infections. Moreover, weak immunological responses only decrease a person’s ability to fight the diseases that the vaccine was supposed to protect against in the first place.

Serious neurological disorders

Evidence now suggests that ingredients in flu vaccinations can actually cause serious neurological disorders. In 1976 a significant number of those who received the flu vaccine acquired Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS), a disorder characterized by permanent nerve damage and even paralysis.

Flu vaccines can contain many harmful materials including detergent, mercury, formaldehyde, and strains of live flu virus.

Should you get a flu shot? If you are still prevaricating, and wondering who to trust, consider this:

The very people pushing flu vaccinations, and putting the fear of God into anybody who abstains, are making billions of dollars each year.

Are they the people we should be trusting with our health?

In August 1999, the Committee on Government Reform initiated an investigation into Federal vaccine policy. This investigation focused on possible conflicts of interest on the part of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The investigation concluded that many individuals serving on two key advisory committees had financial ties to the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture vaccines.

Often, these individuals were granted waivers to fully participate in the discussions that led to recommendations on vaccine licensing and adding vaccines to the Childhood Immunization Schedule.

This in itself creates serious doubt as to how effective flu vaccines really are.

Baxter Dmitry

Baxter Dmitry

Baxter Dmitry is a writer at Your News Wire. He covers politics, business and entertainment. Speaking truth to power since he learned to talk, Baxter has travelled in over 80 countries and won arguments in every single one. Live without fear.
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  • mary

    My friend was paralysed last year after he had a flu shot ,and is still very ill don’t ever have a flu shot

    • Kenneth Burger

      Guillain-Barre syndrome, which is what your friend likely has, can be caused by a lot of things, including influenza itself. Vaccines are only one possible trigger and rarely at that. Surgery, viral and bacterial illnesses, vaccines, and a whole host of other things can trigger GBS. The good news is that GBS normally resolves with prompt medical care, and if care is sought promptly, there usually won’t be any long-term complications.

      • sabelmouse

        it was probably the usual coincidence.

      • Brittany Pederson

        Vaccine Injury Court payouts for flu vaccine induced GBS tells a different story.

        • Mike Stevens

          “Vaccine Injury Court payouts for flu vaccine induced GBS tells a different story.”
          Reseach shows that GBS is around 18 times more likely from influenza than it is from a flu vaccine.
          VICP payouts are a form of “no fault” compensation as regards GBS – all you have to do to qualify for a payout is to show you had a vaccine sometime prior to getting GBS. You don’t have to prove it was the vaccine, nor exclude other reasons for getting GBS.
          VICP awards are therefore not proof of causation.

          • PDB

            That’s not accurate. You have a prove a causal link to get a payout from vaccine court, which is pretty difficult, as so many other factors “could” be involved. It is like trying to prove that you got cancer from one thing. Most injuries from vaccines are not reported to VAERS or ever litigated. I will take my chances with the flu.

          • doomsday

            Flu is just cleaning, there is nothing abnormal about it and you cannot catch flu or colds from anyone.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Wow. That’s kinda dumb. Like seriously dumb.

          • Ron Roy

            No not dumb. You just don’t understand how the human body really works.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Hahaha, coming from you, that’s even funnier.

          • Mike Stevens

            Tell us Ron, if “you cannot catch flu or colds from anyone”, where do cases come from?

            A witch’s curse?
            Outer space?

          • Ron Roy

            It’s simply the bodies reaction to the overburden of accumulated toxins and stress.

          • Mike Stevens

            Ah, a rampant germ denialist…

          • shay simmons

            Sparkles the Disease Fairy?

          • Ron Roy

            That statement is way above the heads of those vaccine pusher who have been commenting here.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Because it has absolutely no basis in fact?

          • Mike Stevens

            No, you don’t have to prove a causal link for what are termed “Table injuries” in the VICP.
            This list includes GBS, so to get compensation all one has to do is submit evidence that vaccination took place within the relevant time frame for possible injury.
            There is no requirement for “proof of causation”. That’s the entire point of having the VICP, to make compensation easier, even if there is still uncertainty about the role vaccine played in the injury.

          • PDB

            GBS only if after 3 days and before 42. That is not enough. Otherwise, have to prove a causal link.

          • Mike Stevens

            Well, don’t you think it’s fair that they would only accept GBS as being due to vaccine if it happened within 6 weeks of the shot?
            That’s pretty generous, since it usually takes 7-10 days to develop.

            You wouldn’t want them to pay out for someone whose GBS happened 6 months later, would you, since it would clearly be impossible for that to be due to vaccine?

          • ciaparker2

            Not impossible. It’s impossible to set a time limit for when vaccine injuries occur: they may occur immediately or as long as months after the vaccine was given, or even years. My bracial plexus neuropathy started the same day as the vaccine, both arms paralyzed for several days. You said for years that that was impossible, until I furnished a citation from Plotkin and Mortimer saying that it could start the same day as the vaccine. The only reason for setting limits is to save the government’s money: everyone is so used now to the vaccine damaged never getting any justice, just eking out their (our) miserable lives, or not, and the sky does not fall, so what the hell.

          • Mike Stevens

            “It’s impossible to set a time limit for when vaccine injuries occur:
            they may occur immediately or as long as months after the vaccine was
            given, or even years.”

            You are once again wrong, Cia. Time limits are entirely dependent upon the pathogenetic mechanism for the individual reaction and vaccine.

            For instance, a vaccine causing anaphylaxis mediated through IgE release will cause the allergic reaction within seconds to hours. It would be impossible for this to happen weeks or years later purely on biological grounds alone.

            A vaccine causing a reaction through an autoimmune mechanism will take around 1-2 weeks to manifest. That is because the host has to undergo a process of antigen recognition, antigen presentation, processing by the immune system including polyclonal expansion of a specific B cell lymphocyte clone, manufacture and subsequent release of antibodies, antigen-antibody complexing and pathological cytopathic damage to the end organ.
            That all takes time, you see, and can’t happen within just a couple of days. It also won’t happen months/years later.

            So it is possible to time certain vaccine reactions quite accurately. Brachial plexus neuropathy following tetanus toxoid vaccine is a specific reaction similar to the “autoantibody” one above… it takes some time. The consensus is that these usually take a week or so to manifest.

            The Plotkin citation you refer to happens to be one of their references which looks at VAERS reports… LOL! …Need I say more?
            These are passive/self-reported instances of presumed vaccine reactions. They are not accurate enough to claim that they represent validated science on the issue. For all we know the report was one you submitted!

          • ciaparker2

            I have a rejoinder from the Moskowitz book, but don’t have time to look for it or type it out right now. I hope to be able to locate this comment when I have time in the next few days.

          • Mike Stevens

            How about providing a “rejoinder” from the peer-reviewed scientific literature…?

            If you only intend citing some lies that some quack put in his book, available at $14.99, MasterCard and VISA accepted, then don’t even bother.

          • ciaparker2

            I will bother. I’m done translating for the day. I’ll get supper ready when I’m done with this comment. From Richard Moskowitz’ Vaccines, 2017, p. 124-130. “An adverse effect can be causally attributed to a vaccine if
            1. the exact chronology of vaccination and adverse event onset is known;
            2. the adverse event corresponds to those previously associated with a particular vaccine;
            3. the event conforms to a specific clinical syndrome whose association with vaccination has strong biological plausibility (e.g., anaphylaxis);
            4. a laboratory result confirms the association (e.g., isolation of vaccine-strain virus from the patient);
            5. the event recurs on re-administration of the vaccine (“positive-rechallenge”); and
            6. a controlled clinical trial or epidemiologic study shows greater risk of the specific adverse event in vaccinated than in unvaccinated control groups.
            Let us consider these points one by one.
            Chronology
            Although seemingly straightforward and noncontroversial, precise chronology is often misleading and difficult to obtain in reality, because the chronic, auto-immune diseases that are prominent among the adverse effects most commonly reported tend to develop slowly and insidiously, and are thus automatically ruled out from the start. A perfect example was the case I cited earlier of renal failure following an MMR vaccine, which began as a nondescript flu-like illness fully 2 weeks after the shot, and manifested as the full-blown nephrotic syndrome only 6 weeks later. In practice, the term ‘exact chronology’ is employed simply to exclude these vague, subclinical beginnings, and is almost always restricted to something very acute and dramatic that develops very soon after receiving the vaccine, such as anaphylaxis, where the link is so blatant that even the CDC has never seen fit to deny or question it, and indeed has all but trumpeted it as evidence of its good faith.
            (continued below)

          • ciaparker2

            Only Reactions Already Described
            The second requirement, which is that adverse events must correspond to clinical entities already described, is even more restrictive:
            1. by ruling out the possibility of discovering a new complication not previously identified, even though the stated purpose of conducting post-marketing surveillance was precisely that;
            2. by limiting the investigation to specific effects of specific vaccines, and overlooking nonspecific effects of the vaccination process itself, no matter which vaccine it happens to be.
            ‘Biologically Plausible’
            I confess to not having the slightest idea what is meant by ‘biological plausibility,’ other than yet another reason for disqualifying chronic, autoimmune illnesses from consideration, since the question why a previously healthy organism would begin to attack and destroy its own tissues has never been answered satisfactorily, and thus might well be regarded as automatically implausible in that sense.
            Laboratory Confirmation
            This one is the most interesting, because it’s a sword that cuts both ways. In most instances, lab confirmation seems impractical and inconvenient, and indeed is rarely performed; it is invoked as yet another obstacle for discrediting reports of adverse effects not previously identified. Nobody bothers to draw blood for anaphylaxis because it’s already on the list, or to look for auto-antibodies in cases of SIDS, which has already been predefined as a coincidence unrelated to vaccines.
            On the other hand, Dr. Wakefield’s work was rightly perceived as threatening, because unequivocal and indeed irrefutable lab confirmation was precisely what it DID provide for the first time. HIs elegant biopsy specimens demonstrated antibodies to the measles virus and lesions of autoimmune inflammatory bowel disease in the lymphoid aggregates of his autistic patients’ intestinal tracts. With no way to refute these finding, the industry and the CDC saw no option but to vilify and destroy him personally.
            So yes, I’m all for lab confirmation, if it is applicable, and indicates something worth measuring. With autoimmunity as possibly the underlying mechanism by which vaccines do everything they do, good and bad alike, why not screen children for evidence of it in the form of C-reactive protein, erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR), antinuclear antibodies (ANA), and perhaps other typical markers at suitable intervals after their vaccinations? Although by no means infallible, and possibly subject to both false positives and negatives, just as in clinical medicine, it would nevertheless be a simple, interesting, and inexpensive test of that hypothesis, whether or not those testing positive actually develop symptoms at the time.
            The ‘Postive Rechallenge’ Test
            More than just impractical and counterproductive, this criterion borders on the fiendish, because administering another dose of the same vaccine that resulted in an adverse reaction is highly likely to provoke an even worse result the next time, as Barbara Loe Fisher’s book, Yehuda Shoenfeld’s meticulous research, and my own clinical experience all bear witness to, while the adolescent girls who die of their HPV or flu shots, or the infants who die of SIDS after their DTaP or Hep B, are unfortunately already dead and therefore sadly unavailable for further doses.
            Confirmation by Randomized Controlled Trial
            This final criterion is pure and simple hypocrisy, because confirmation of the vaccine linkage by a randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial is precisely what the CDC and the industry should have done in the premarketing phase, and steadfastly REFUSED (emphasis added) to do; so they shouldn’t be allowed to get away with listing it as yet another reason for disqualification after the fact, despite having themselves rejected it on principle long before.
            (cont’d below)

          • ciaparker2

            (There follows a list of the tiny number of “table injuries” for some of the vaccines. A very tiny number which doesn’t even BEGIN to cover the hundreds of severe, disabling, or fatal reactions which have been caused by all the vaccines. And there are many reactions which are not specific to any one vaccine, like vaccine encephalitis, which can be caused by any vaccine.)
            “Far from its stated purpose of expanding the list to include whatever else is out there, the practical effect is precisely the opposite, to ensure that most reports originating from the general public that somebody was killed or maimed after being vaccinated will be rejected, in precisely the same way and for precisely the same reasons that unsolicited reports of adverse reactions in the manufacturers’ safety trials were dismissed as coincidental by the lead investigator. THAT degree of consistency is surely no coincidence.
            The Vaccine Injury Table used by the VICP is essentially identical to the VAERS Table of Reportable Events, but even more restrictive about the maximum time limit allowed between the vaccine and the first sign of injury. Only the very few and vanishingly rare adverse reactions that are deemed ‘reportable’ to the VAERS system are likely to win a substantial claim of damages in the Vaccine Court.
            Whether we accept the CDC’s estimate of only 10% of adverse reactions being reported or the former FDA Commissioner David Kessler’s figure o 1%, even a cursory glance at the list makes it easy to understand why so few parents of victims even bother to file a claim or even report an injury, when the system that allegedly seeks and values their participation is stacked against them so heavily that their stories will seldom be believed or taken seriously.”

          • Mike Stevens

            “I confess to not having the slightest idea what is meant by ‘biological plausibility”

            Gosh, Cia….are you having a mercury attack?
            First you say influenza virus infection kills people, now you admit you haven’t a clue what biological plausibility is, despite painting yourself as a medical expert.
            Wonders never cease.

          • ciaparker2

            The fact that influenza infections sometimes result in death was not part of the “biologicial plausibility” which pharma bean counters were referring to.

            Hmm, I got it up this time. Although first I got a sinister completely black screen.

          • Mike Stevens

            I just texted Z to say leave things be…

            Your confabulatory, incoherent antivaccine ravings are the best advert in favour of vaccination that people could hope to see, Cia.

          • ciaparker2

            You wish. I do appreciate your intervention with the LL maniacs, though. Are they gone from the earth? Fired, at least?

          • Mike Stevens

            I have great fun yanking your paranoia chain, Cia.

          • ciaparker2

            Yeah, right. Do you remember last year when I was trying to tell you something and Ivan followed us from site to site, deleting my comments as I was still writing them? Whole black rectangles suddenly appearing on top of my comments. Real or not real? Moderator on many sites or not? You don’t remember when he or Zogby (maybe the same?) deleted acres and acres of my comments, twenty at a stretch, from all the many sites where he was moderating?

          • Mike Stevens

            Are you channelling Sharon Atkisson?
            …The CIA hacked your Disqus account and inserted “black rectangles” over your comments?
            Did you look more closely? From 6 inches away?
            …Perhaps they were little black helicopters?

            See here for a handy little guide:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6573e42a461f81d668a1ca2f37fe6f0043f8639c0b97426ed3b976cbb3df1d4b.jpg

          • ciaparker2

            You were there at the time. Unless there are multiple shills using your nym and I can never be sure whom I’m addressing. You suggested that we go to a natural health site that would not have had I or Z moderating. I don’t know how much you saw at your end of my comments being eaten up as I wrote them, in real time. And the ### followed us to ANOTHER site where I hoped to be able to continue telling you about it. And then we went to safety at the natural health site. He ALSO used black rectangles to wipe out the screen.

            Tell me, M., it was a little over a year ago, do you have no recollection of it? Are was it just so routine in your line of work that it was in no way memorable?

          • Mike Stevens

            Thwock
            Thwock
            Thwock…

          • FallsAngel

            Wha??

          • Mike Stevens

            Mercury causes false memory syndrome.
            Confirmed by anecdote, so that’s solid.

          • FallsAngel

            I confess to not having the slightest idea what is meant by ‘biological plausibility

            Yet you think you’re competent to recommend vaccines. . . or not. . .to parents/kids!

          • Mike Stevens

            “An adverse effect can be causally attributed to a vaccine if
            1. the exact chronology of vaccination and adverse event onset is known;
            2. the adverse event corresponds to those previously associated with a particular vaccine;
            3. the event conforms to a specific clinical syndrome whose association with vaccination has strong biological plausibility (e.g., anaphylaxis);
            4. a laboratory result confirms the association (e.g., isolation of vaccine-strain virus from the patient);
            5. the event recurs on re-administration of the vaccine (“positive-rechallenge”); and
            6. a controlled clinical trial or epidemiologic study shows greater risk of the specific adverse event in vaccinated than in unvaccinated control groups.”

            Thereby disproving thoseimaginary side effect you attribute to vaccines, like autism, multiple sclerosis, POTS, etc etc.

            Thanks for that Cia, it was actually useful for once!

          • ciaparker2

            This is a list concocted by pharma interests to deny that most vaccine reactions were caused by vaccines. It does not “disprove” anything, but just proves the callousness and venality of pharma interests. As Moskowitz made clear when deconstructing each of the six points.
            Why don’t you read Moskowitz’ book? I’m halfway through reading it a second time, it’s one of the best that’s ever been written on vaccine damage.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Cia, it’s your own source. Why did you like it earlier?

          • Acleron

            Why do antivaxxers never read their references?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Well, they do read it if it’s say NN or HNN so ‘never’ isn’t strictly accurate. I dunno though, you’ll have to ask Cia or someone. 😉

          • JoeFarmer

            It’s like a disease with them. I’m not sure if their confirmation bias is so bad that they stop reading at the first word, phrase or sentence that confirms their beliefs or that they’re just plain too stupid.

          • FallsAngel

            Moskowitz’ book is peer-reviewed? By whom? What group of his peers approved that nonsense?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake
          • ciaparker2

            Yeah, isn’t that hilarious? The VAERS system was set up to learn about adverse events occurring post-marketing. It was the VAERS system’s getting reports of children getting crippling cases of polio from the oral Sabin polio shot which caused the pharmocracy to replace it with the older, injected Salk vaccine. If it weren’t for VAERS reports, we’d still be using the oral vaccine and still be seeing a small number of children and contacts crippled by it. But oh, I forgot, you don’t GIVE a damn about crippled children, your brief is only to sell vaccine no matter what the cost in human lives. Now TELL us how those paralyzed by the oral vaccine WEREN’T REALLY PARALYZED! The vaccine was just great, and the odd case of paralysis possibly associated with it was JUST coincidental! Always!

            But you and your patrons WANT us to believe that NO report made to VAERS is authentic, because despite the trainloads of evidence, vaccines are ALWAYS safe, effective, and absolutely necessary to save us even from mild, beneficial diseases. I’d invite the interested reader to go look at some of the thousands of VAERS reports, many of them hospital documents recording the extremely severe and often fatal vaccine reactions experienced by children.

          • Mike Stevens

            “you don’t GIVE a damn about crippled children”

            Says the crazy person who wants to stop polio vaccination, and only possibly reintroduce it when polio becomes an epidemic again.
            How batsh1t bonkers can you get?
            ….Sheesh!

          • ciaparker2

            I always make it clear that parents are free to get the vaccines they think are a good idea, including polio if that’s what they still want after learning a lot about it, pros and cons. Probably if there were a few cases reported in this area, I’d get C a booster, or maybe I’d just give her homeopathic lathyrus sativus. It would be up to every parent to decide their comfort level, if one case in the country were enough to get the vaccine, a hundred, a thousand, or whatever. But parents need to understand that it’s not here now, that every vaccine does at least some damage, even inapparent, and they have all disabled or killed many recipients, including the polio vaccine. It seems to be one of the safer vaccines, though, now that the SV-40 (I got down six inches from the keyboard to look at the figures) virus no longer contaminates any of them.

          • Mike Stevens

            Let’s get this straight… if there was a polio outbreak in your locality, you’d give your daughter a homeopathic vaccine?

            My heart goes out to your poor child. What did she do to deserve such a callous and uncaring mother?

          • Claire Secrist

            She’s still intent on punishing the poor girl for being disabled, and therefore inferior in Cia’s eyes. How dare that kid ruin her self image. She’ll fill her with real laxatives and fake medicine until she thinks the girl has paid enough.

          • ciaparker2

            Poliomyelitis

            1850: during an epidemic of poliomyelitis, Dr Taylor Smith of Johannesburg, South Africa protected 82 people with homoeopathic Lathyrus sativus. Of the 82 so immunised, 12 came into direct contact with disease. None were infected.

            Dr Grimmer of Chicago prophylactically treated 5,000 young children with Lathyrus sativus. None developed polio.

            1956: In a study between 1956-58, Dr Heisfelder immunized over 6,000 children with this Lathyrus sativus. There were no side effects and no cases of polio reported in the group.

            1957: A severe poliomyelitis epidemic occurred in Buenos Aires. The majority of homoeopathic doctors prescribed Lathyrus sativus as a preventative. Drug stores distributed thousands of doses to the public. None of those who used the prophylactic registered a case of contagion.

            1975: During another poliomyelitis epidemic in Buenos Aires, 40,000 were given the homeopathic prophylactic Lathyrus sativus. None developed poliomyelitis.

            (Ref – http://homeopathyplus.com.au)

          • kfunk937

            *oral Sabin polio shot*

            Oh… kay. Also VAERS has nothing to do with the decision to switch from OPV to IPV. That happens when the background disease incidence in a given geographic area drops sufficiently—through OPV use—to justify the change. In other words, expert public health officials make that call. And it could go back if imported cases find enough unvaccinated to set off outbreaks in countries/regions where the disease had formerly been eliminated.

            The same public health experts will recommend the vaccine be retired when the disease is eradicated, worldwide, as is within reach for polio and as happened with smallpox.

          • ciaparker2

            You people just want to inculcate despair into the entire vaccinated population, knowing that there is no escape, no remedy, nothing to be done, no one wants to hear about it, when vaccinated people react severely to vaccines. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System was created by the FDA to learn about adverse reactions to vaccines after they were released on the market: theoretically so that authorities would be concerned about the welfare of their guinea pigs and do something to help us and prevent others from being harmed the same way. But the pharma industry got hold of it right away, and now it’s just a black hole, where reports even of death or permanent disabilitiy caused by vaccines just falls into oblivion, with no health authorities caring at all what vaccines do to us.

            Dr. Yazbak told me several years ago that it was reports made to VAERS by parents of children paralyzed by the oral polio vaccine that got them to replace it with the injected vaccine. Because back then there were a few in positions of authority who didn’t want people to be vaccine-damaged. I just looked for information on this, and with a little effort found this. But of course you don’t want people to know that there was ever a happy time of concern for those who suffered either from some vaccine-preventable diseases or from vaccine damage. Because Heaven knows that no one in a position of authority in the medical mafia cares any longer. And if you say What about VAERS reports? They just laugh scornfully and say that every last single one of them was a stupid invention by distraught parents, or an outright lie.
            Go ahead, let us hear that scornful laugh again.
            If you have any questions about this, let me know and I’ll ask Dr. Yazbak.

            • After VAERS received the first report that a baby had an intussusception and died after receiving the Rotashield
            (Rotavirus) vaccine, there was no immediate reaction. When many reports arrived in a short time, the use of the vaccine was
            halted and a short while later, the vaccine was appropriately withdrawn from the market.

            • When thousands of reactions following DTP (Diphtheria, Tetanus and Pertussis) vaccination were reported to VAERS, the
            decision was made to switch to the DTaP, which contained an acellular pertussis component instead of the problematic whole cell vaccine that had been used for decades in the United States.

            • Similarly, after multiple reports of paralysis were reported to VAERS following oral polio vaccination, the OPV was withdrawn from the US market and the inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) was reintroduced.

            – F. Edward Yazbak, MD

            http://www.vaxchoicevt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Stella-VAERS9-8.pdf

          • kfunk937

            Your Dr Yazbak was wrong if he said that. Which is no great surprise, as he appears to have succumbed first to Wakefraud and then to Babs Loe Fisher, et al. His last, and only remotely credible, never-cited publication was in 1966 (apparently during his internship/residency), and since then he’s embraced every bit of anti-vaccine kookery to come down the pike, most recently, defending child abuse and murder by blaming Shaken Baby Syndrome on vaccination.

          • Mike Stevens

            Yazbak…
            …Repugnant apologist for child abusers and baby killers, and of course he so becomes one of Cia Parker’s heroes.

          • ciaparker2

            He’s the gentlest, kindest man I know. Do you have any substantive rebuttal of what he said about researchers mining VAERS reports to find out about the many ways vaccines can damage and kill?

          • Mike Stevens

            Well, we all know you are an atrocious judge of character.
            Thanks for proving it, Cia.

          • Brian

            cia asks “do you have any substantive rebuttal…”

            I do. VAERS doesn’t document causality. The end.

            Your quack shows that VAERS reports of SIDS and SBS occur at rates much lower than the general rate, so there’s zero evidence of a causal relation.

            So yeah, your “kindest man” is choosing to defend baby abusers.

          • ciaparker2

            As Dr. Harold Buttram did in Shaken Baby Syndrome or Vaccine Encephalitis? You and your colleagues would rather see every parent of a baby who dies of vaccine encephalitis put in prison for life rather than admit the truth: that it was the vaccine that killed them.
            And he supports Dr. Wakefield and Barbara Loe Fisher, who have done so much to prevent vaccine damage and help the victims? And you don’t? Quelle surprise.

          • FallsAngel

            Dr. Yazbak told me several years ago

            Wha?? Told YOU personally?

          • ciaparker2

            How do you think that public health officials find out about children who reacted to DPT, oral polio vaccine, or rotavirus vaccine? Telepathy? The only outlet vaccine-damaged families have is to report to VAERS. Not that many people have ever even heard of it. That’s why everyone agrees that only between one and ten percent of adverse reactions are ever reported to it, and if they aren’t reported to it, then they aren’t reported at all.

          • kfunk937

            Public health departments found/find out about vaccine-associated polio cases because (a) all polio cases are reported to public health, and (b) then they investigate, including typing the the virus. This takes place even today, in countries where OPV is still in use.

          • shay simmons

            How do you think that public health officials find out about children who reacted to DPT, oral polio vaccine, or rotavirus vaccine?

            Tell us about your long career in public health, parker. We’re all ears.

          • FallsAngel

            If you’d ever looked at a VIS, which you obviously haven’t, they all say this:

            “What if there is a serious reaction?”
            If you think it is a severe allergic reaction or other emergency
            that can’t wait, call 9-1-1 or get the person to the nearest hospital.
            Otherwise, call your doctor.
            Afterward, the reaction should be reported to the Vaccine Adverse
            Event Reporting System (VAERS). Your doctor might file this report, or
            you can do it yourself through the VAERS website, or by calling 1-800-822-7967.”

            And no, “everyone” does not agree that only btween one and ten percent of adverse reactions are ever reported to it. You’re trying to be cute again, accusing those of us who don’t agree with such drivel of being nobodies.

          • Mike Stevens

            “everyone agrees that only between one and ten percent of adverse reactions are ever reported to it [VAERS]”

            Nope.
            In fact hardly anyone seems to agree.
            Did you mean “everyone who is an antivaccine nut job agrees…?”
            If so, you may be right..

            In fact, an independent study of reactions reported to VAERS showed the majority were not linked to vaccines, and in only 3% was the event reported definitely caused by the vaccine.
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23063829

          • shay simmons

            the oral Sabin polio shot

            Think about what you wrote there, parker.

          • Verna Lang

            You asked Cia Parker to think? With what?

          • Mike Stevens

            “But you and your patrons WANT us to believe that NO report made to VAERS is authentic”

            Au contraire, ma cherie;- I accept that as many as 3% of reports to VAERS are definitely authentic!
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23063829

          • ciaparker2

            Yeah, your pharma masters are willing to concede that the tiny number of table injuries are authentic, to try to make it look as though they were honest players. I put up what Dr. Richard Moskowitz said about the corruption of the Vaccine Court. Hundreds of thousands of babies get a vaccine and react within days with severe diarrhea, loss of language, loss of affect and eye contact, loss of desire to socialize, or with any number of autoimmune cascades, and, since they’re not table injuries, your patrons just say Well, that clearly had NOTHING to do with the shot.
            I have a low fever today and have to translate, I’m going to look for my copy of The Age of Autism later and scour Moskowitz’ book for replies to what you said earlier, but it may not be today.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Hundreds of thousands of babies get a vaccine and react within days with severe diarrhea, loss of language, loss of affect and eye contact, loss of desire to socialize, or with any number of autoimmune cascades, and, since they’re not table injuries, your patrons just say Well, that clearly had NOTHING to do with the shot.”

            I’ve asked you dozens of times for some credible scientific evidence that these events have ever taken place, Cia, but you have never been able to do so. All you can do is quote anecdotes, or what some antivax quack wrote in a book.

            Autism is not a table injury.
            Therefore claims that vaccines cause autism have to be made with clear evidence of causality provided in order to have a claim succeed.

            I believe this has been tried, with several thousand plaintiffs represented through the Autism Omnibus hearings.
            And the result? …Vaccines do not cause autism.

          • ciaparker2

            I know autism is not a table injury. That’s part of the point. So no matter how many babies scream for days with vaccine encephalitis, or have their language erased as soon as they get a vaccine, going on to be diagnosed with autism (like my daughter) all the pharma cronies in the medical mafia, the government, the media, and academia, have to say is Well, Glaxo Smith Kline has told us that vaccines never cause autism (although head of CDC Julie Gerberding said they did, and much case law has found that it does, in addition to those in our movement. So matter HOW many are permanently disabled by vaccines (over half counting asthma and allergies, but one in 36 with autism now, up from three in 10,000 in 1987 (North Dakota study), since Merck and its colleagues completely control the discourse, they’re just going to repeat inanities until they are brought to justice.

          • Bored Now

            much case law has found that it does

            Even if that was true, why would you pay attention? Would it be surprising that law — something when compared to science has a very low standard of evidence — would find things to be true that are actually false?

          • Mike Stevens

            Autism Omnibus.
            Just sayin’

          • Acleron

            ‘I have a low fever today ‘

            So Parker knows that adverse events happen without a vaccine. It is a pity her belief system prevents her from extending that observation.

          • FallsAngel

            It’s probably from a vaccine she got years ago!

          • Acleron

            I’d have to question if she ever had a vaccine.

          • JoeFarmer

            Not only are you a sociopath, you’re a pathological liar. Get help.

          • shay simmons

            I put up what Dr. Richard Moskowitz said about the corruption of the Vaccine Court. Hundreds of thousands of babies get a vaccine and react within days

            Where is the evidence for this? In the months you’ve been posting you have been singularly silent when asked for hard data. Where are the case studies? Where is the documentation?

          • AutismDadd

            VAERS and the NVICP are both tools used to manage and control the messages surrounding vaccines. Vaccine makers like CDC also create the definitions, cut off dates of table injuries. They can deny SIDS and AUTISM because they can. It keeps numbers down so unethical doctors like Mike Stevens can say 3%

          • JoeFarmer

            …”because despite the trainloads of evidence…”

            …that only exist in your twisted, sociopathic mind.

          • Verna Lang

            VAERS was established in 1990. The title of the following article shows that what is now called Vaccine-Associated Paralytic Poliomyelitis (VAPP) was known long before the establishment of VAERS.
            Vaccine associated poliomyelitis in the United States, 1961-1972.
            https://doi.org/10.1093/oxfordjournals.aje.a112290

          • Mike Stevens

            Hush… you don’t want to burst Cia’s bubble of Dunning Kruger, do you?

          • Verna Lang

            Not trying to burst it so much as testing its strength. If we could make a bubble of similar physical strength we could protect all out cities from anything from tsunamis, to hurricanes, to volcanic eruptions and nuclear attack.

          • Proponent

            But, still.. you know.. this supposed impenetrable bubble would not invincible against the bane of all humankind and human forces.. behold! The kryptonite of.. vaccines!

            … …

            ‘K, I’m done here.. back to my corner, I go..

          • Verna Lang

            Great! Now I will have nightmares about North Korea dropping giant syringes full of toxic science fluid instead of nukes.

          • shay simmons

            Your strawmen are multiplying like rabbits. Oh, and d/f for bearing false witness.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake
          • AutismDadd

            See folks. Mike Stevens is NOW admitting many of the serious reactions he generally denies. His word is no better than Charles Manson’s.

          • Acleron

            Stop lying boy.

          • AutismDadd

            drive by Acleronism

          • AutismDadd

            Research showing GBS CAN’T occur by 6 weeks please.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Do you have some objection to proving that vaccines injured someone in order to get a payout from vaccine injury court?

          • AutismDadd

            And that’s why they have ARBITRARY definitions and cut off points, to deny compensation and to be able to claim lower numbers. NVICP and VAERS are tools used to manage the carnage and fudge the numbers.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            But if you know you’re vaccine-injured then you can provide evidence of the causative link so… what’s the problem?

          • ciaparker2

            There are a tiny number of “table injuries” which were accepted thirty years ago as being causally related to certain vaccines. But since then, the age of autism and vaccine mania have brought us many, many more vaccine injuries, but since, if they were accepted and compensated as legislators provided for thirty years ago, it would bankrupt the country and destroy the vaccine programs, Vaccine Court routinely denies compensating the huge number of cases in which vaccines DEMONSTRABLY caused autism and many other vaccine injuries. Again, only THINK of the headache for the CDC, FDA, IoM, WHO, our federal, state, and local governments, our schools, medical pharmocracy, and mainstream media! MUCH easier just to deny the whole thing and look the other way when you see the children and their families whose lives were destroyed! And go on and on about how dangerous usually mild, beneficial diseases like measles, mumps, chickenpox, and rubella are. And usually mild pertussis, hep-A, and flu. And we can discuss the others, but the bottom line is that the “authorities” are lying about vaccines and VPDs, in order to sell vaccines.

          • ciaparker2

            I’ve really got to commend this site: great article on the dangers of the flu vaccine, and great comments! Not many sites would permit so many comments critical of vaccines, as we’ve seen in recent years.

          • Mike Stevens

            “great comments!”

            Why, thank you, Cia!

          • ciaparker2

            You made me laugh again!

          • FallsAngel

            Glad you like my comments, too, cia!

          • FallsAngel

            Looked at the table, lately, cia? Seems not.
            file:///C:/Users/home/Downloads/vaccineinjurytable(10).pdf
            XIV. Seasonal influenza vaccines
            A. Anaphylaxis ≤4 hours.
            B. Shoulder Injury Related to Vaccine Administration ≤48 hours.
            C. Vasovagal syncope ≤1 hour.
            D. Guillain-Barré Syndrome 3-42 days (not less than 3 days and not more than 42 days).

            Ed to fix link.

          • Brian

            just an fyi, FA,

            I don’t believe your link is accessible to anyone not on your local computer. It’s pointing to the pdf you downloaded from hrsa and now have in your own downloads folder.

            You could replace it with the hrsa link-

            https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/vaccinecompensation/vaccineinjurytable.pdf

          • FallsAngel

            Thanks.

          • AutismDadd

            Make compensation easier… look how Mike Stevens labels vaccine injury and death. But then he lies by OMISSION with every post.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Go for it. From CNN today:

            There were 14,401 new laboratory-confirmed cases during the week ending January 13, bringing the season total to 74,562. These numbers do not include all people who have had the flu, as many do not see a doctor when sick.

            There were 10 additional flu-related deaths among children during the week ending January 13, bringing the total for the season to 30 deaths.

          • Keith Pascucci

            Google SIRVA. I have it. Agonizing pain that MAY last the rest of my life. My left arm is useless because of the “safe” flu shot… Vaccine court is a joke. Impossible to win against Big Pharma!

          • kfunk937

            I’m so sorry that you experienced SIRVA (shoulder injury associated with vaccine administration). Were you aware that SIRVA has been added to the vaccine injury table in the final rule effective 21 February ’17? I’m not a lawyer and don’t know the details of your situation, but the rule reads as though you may be able to repetition–assuming that you petitioned previously (before SIRVA was added), and that your symptoms developed within the timeframe specified and no more than 8 years prior to the rule change. See the penultimate paragraph in Sect. II, which describes the exception:

            The modified Table applies only to petitions filed under the VICP after the effective date of this final rule. Also, petitions must be filed within the applicable statute of limitations. The general statute of limitations applicable to petitions filed under the VICP, set forth in 42 U.S.C. 300aa-16(a), continues to apply. However, the statute identifies a specific exception to this statute of limitations that applies when the effect of a revision to the Table makes a previously ineligible person eligible to receive compensation or when an eligible person’s likelihood of obtaining compensation significantly increases. Under this exception, an individual who may be eligible to file a petition based on the revised Table may file the petition for compensation not later than 2 years after the effective date of the revision if the alleged injury or death occurred not more than 8 years before the effective date of the revision of the Table (42 U.S.C. 300aa-16(b)). This is true even if such individual previously filed a petition for compensation, and is thus an exception to the “one petition per injury” limitation of 42 U.S.C. 300aa-11(b)(2). [emphasis supplied]

            In other words, you may want to consult an attorney specialising in vaccine injury. As you probably know, they are compensated by the NVICP regardless of case outcome, so reasonable costs associated with the case will not be charged to you, but are paid by the court.Good luck, and I hope things get better for you. There are treatments that may help alleviate the situation.

          • The Not So Handsome Stranger.

            Your kindness sets a great example.

          • kfunk937

            Why, thank you, Dave.

          • The Not So Handsome Stranger.

            You’re very welcome.

          • Mariya OfLight

            I was going to say… I’ve read many reports of how hard it is even after death to get heard in this court let alone win.. you have to meet certain criteria before a case can even be filed.

            If even one person wins that says enough for me. But it was created to absolve the vaccine industry of any wrongdoing in the 70s due to increased injuries reported and decreased willingness in manufacturers to produce due to lawsuits. So the government struck a deal with them giving them immunity from any court proceedings and providing a federal fund and mock court where all adverse effects cases would be overseen. You literally can not sue your doctor if he gave ten flu shots where all ten people died in his office right there, then gave your child a flu shot who then dies. Sure the Dr knew by shot 7 something was wrong but it’s not his job to say it is the shot. How ridiculous does that sound? No you have to go to a federal court where you never get justice.. You just get money to replace your legacy.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            What’s a table injury?

          • FallsAngel

            Injured by a table? /s

          • Mike Stevens

            No, you don’t have to provide proof of causation.
            That is required (obviously) for off-table claims; VICP will not just roll over and compensate for any/every claim.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Only for non-table injuries, PDB.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            I’m going to grant arguendo that you have to prove a causal link to get a payout from vaccine injury court.

            What’s the problem here? It’s Vaccine Injury Court, not Universal Money Court.

          • PDB

            the problem is that more people are injured than get any payout. It is extremely difficult to prove anything like that. You can’t even report it to them for 6 months after the incident. So many people don’t realize that the vaccines caused the injury, because their doctors tell them that the screaming and the fever are “normal” etc. they do not know until later that their child’s brain has been affected. The doctor told me that my daughter’s seizures could not possibly be from the vaccines. No one told me about vaccine court. I did not know about that until years later.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            “The problem is that more people are injured than get any payout.”

            That’s not the answer to the question.

            “It is extremely difficult to prove anything like that.”

            It might be extremely difficult but is it extremely difficult even when the child actually is vaccine injured?

            ” You can’t even report it to them for 6 months after the incident. ”

            Citation needed.

            “So many people don’t realize that the vaccines caused the injury, because their doctors tell them that the screaming and the fever are “normal” etc. ”

            When they say ‘vaccine injury’, they don’t actually mean ‘any mild side effect that happens’ – they mean something that is actually injurious. Fever is a well-known mild common side effect and is not really an injury.

            “they do not know until later that their child’s brain has been affected. ”

            What’s your point? Equitable tolling counts from when you discover the injury.

            “The doctor told me that my daughter’s seizures could not possibly be from the vaccines. ”

            So you were told that your daughter was not vaccine-injured by the first doctor? Did you get a second opinion from a doctor who said that your child was vaccine-injured?

            Actually, you needn’t bother answering this. Obviosuly you did because otherwise, you’d be expecting NVICP to compensate you for a child who isn’t vaccine-injured which … well, I’m sure you can see the absurdity there.

            “No one told me about vaccine court. I did not know about that until years later.”

            It would be ‘informed’, strictly speaking, not told. But that’s not the point.

            WHAT? You weren’t given a VIS? If that’s so then you need to report the doctor because it’s a breach of federal law.

          • doomsday

            Let us have a citation Mike, quoting medical anecdotes is not funny nor very scientific.

          • Ron Roy

            His script doesn’t contain any reputable citations.

          • Gretchen Vaughan Moran

            The fact that there has to be a vaccine injury court in the first place says enough for me.

          • JoeFarmer

            Please change the “a” in your last name to an “o”.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Lol!

          • nancy nelson

            Oh Joe, you are so clever. Really impressive and so mature. Please comment some more so that I can be justified to take the flu shot. Basically put your phone back in your desk and listen to your 8th grade teacher like a good little boy.

          • JoeFarmer

            Please don’t reproduce.

          • Sue Briscoe Lindstrom Stewart

            Ad hominem, Joe. Lost your credibility.

          • JoeFarmer

            What is it with all the one post wonders like you creating a disqus account just to comment on this thread? Is Age of Autism having some kind of contest where the dumbest thing posted by an anti-vaxxer wins a prize?

          • ciaparker2

            Flagged.

          • JoeFarmer

            GFY, sociopath.

          • Mike Stevens

            It results in compensation for assumed vaccine damage in 0.7 per 1 million vaccine doses.
            That’s how safe they are.

          • Ron Roy

            Since as little as 1% of all medical professionals report, as required by law, any injury caused by vaccines or drugs you could safely multiply that number by 100.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Citation for this, Ron Roy.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            There you go.

            February, 2012: The Limits of VAERS

            Underreporting. Because the reports are submitted voluntarily, many patients and doctors do not report vaccine reactions. Different estimates exist for the amount of underreporting and range from a factor of 10 to as much as a factor of 100 (meaning that the true number of vaccine reactions is between 10 and 100 times higher than what is reported to VAERS).

            Read more:
            http://www.medalerts.org/analysis/archives/504

            JULY 18, 2017
            Hiding Vaccine-Related Deaths With Semantic Sleight-of-Hand

            By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

            Vaccine scientists and the public health community cautiously and occasionally will admit that vaccines can cause adverse reactions just like “any other medication or biological product.” Although experts are less willing to openly disclose the fact that adverse reactions can and do include death, one has only to look at reports to the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to see that mortality is a possible outcome. From 1990 through 2010, for example, VAERS received 1,881 reports of infant deaths following vaccination, representing 4.8% of the adverse events reported for infants over the 20-year period. Moreover, analysts acknowledge that VAERS, as a passive surveillance system, is subject to substantial underreporting. A federal government report from 2010 affirms that VAERS captures only about 1% of vaccine adverse reports.

            Read more:
            https://worldmercuryproject.org/what-we-do/hiding-vaccine-related-deaths-semantic-sleight-hand/

            Electronic Support for Public Health–Vaccine Adverse
            Event Reporting System (ESP:VAERS)

            Abstract
            Purpose: To develop and disseminate HIT evidence and evidence-based tools to improve healthcare decision making through the use of integrated data and knowledge management. Scope: To create a generalizable system to facilitate detection and clinician reporting of vaccine adverse events, in order to improve the safety of national vaccination programs. Methods: Electronic medical records available from all ambulatory care encounters in a large multi-specialty practice were used. Every patient receiving a vaccine was automatically identified, and for the next 30 days, their health care diagnostic codes, laboratory tests, and medication prescriptions were evaluated for values suggestive of an adverse event. Results: Restructuring at CDC and consequent delays in terms of decision making have made it challenging despite best efforts to move forward with discussions regarding the evaluation of ESP:VAERS performance in a randomized trial and comparison of ESP:VAERS performance to existing VAERS and Vaccine Safety Datalink data. However, Preliminary data were collected and analyzed and this initiative has been presented at a number of national symposia.

            Results
            Preliminary data were collected from June 2006 through October 2009 on 715,000 patients, and 1.4 million doses (of 45 different vaccines) were given to 376,452 individuals. Of these
            doses, 35,570 possible reactions (2.6 percent of vaccinations) were identified. This is an average of 890 possible events, an average of 1.3 events per clinician, per month. These data were
            presented at the 2009 AMIA conference.

            In addition, ESP:VAERS investigators participated on a panel to explore the perspective of clinicians, electronic health record (EHR) vendors, the pharmaceutical industry, and the FDA towards systems that use proactive, automated adverse event reporting.

            Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Low reporting rates preclude or slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health. New surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed. Barriers to reporting include a lack of clinician awareness, uncertainty about when and what to report, as well as the burdens of reporting: reporting is not part of clinicians’ usual workflow, takes time, and is duplicative. Proactive, spontaneous, automated adverse event reporting imbedded within EHRs and other information systems has the potential to speed the identification of problems with new drugs and more careful quantification of the risks of older drugs.

            Unfortunately, there was never an opportunity to perform system performance assessments because the necessary CDC contacts were no longer available and the CDC consultants
            responsible for receiving data were no longer responsive to our multiple requests to proceed with testing and evaluation.

            Read more:
            https://healthit.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            This is not a citation that Shaken Baby is a Vaccine Injury. VAERs does not do confirmed injuries.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You need to keep up here and pay attention. This is what I was responding to from directly above and your statement to Ron. And I already gave you citations on SIDS and vaccines, on my just previous reply to you.

            Ron Roy Mike Stevens • 19 days ago

            Since as little as 1% of all medical professionals report, as required by law, any injury caused by vaccines or drugs you could safely multiply that number by 100.

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            Sudanese LH Gardening Rake Ron Roy • 13 days ago

            Citation for this, Ron Roy.

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          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            No, you gave me a site on Shaken Baby. Cites are not the same thing.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            The same thing as what; your replies have never stated directly what you are asking for. There is more than enough data and information on the reference page I gave you. And in your in denial arrogance, you did not even bother to review it.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            I directly asked for a cite, Lowell.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Again, cite on what? Did you review my page or did you just ignore it?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            That was obvious from context. But there is a reason I asked for a cite on vaccines causing shaken baby syndrome rather than a site.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            So you admit that you failed to review the page information and which would give any normal and honest person everything they needed to know.

      • AutismDadd

        Mary’s story stands. Flu vac = long term illness. Its not rare

        • Kenneth Burger

          It is rare. It’s very rare. When you’re talking about tens of millions vaccinated a thousand or so is rare. There are only 3k-6k cases per year, and the vast majority are not vaccine related. Don’t make stuff up.

          • Janet Faber

            A thousand ppl paralyzed is no big deal??? You go first, Kenneth, and if you don’t get sick I’ll applaud your good luck and still decline

          • Kenneth Burger

            I didn’t say it was actually 1,000. I’m saying that when you’re talking about vaccinating tens of millions of people, seeing 1,000 people get a particular complication is a` low percentage. So, if 50 million people are vaccinated, and 1,000 of them get GBS, then assuming your chance of getting GBS from the vaccine is the same as everyone else, you have a .002% chance of getting that condition. In reality, the GBS numbers attributable to influenza vaccine are approximately 1 to 2 out of every million vaccines administered. So if 50 million vaccines are administered, you’d see between 50-100 people get GBS, which is a rate of somewhere between .0001% and .0002%. The mortality rate from influenza is .0014%, so you are literally seven times more likely to DIE from the flu than you are to get GBS from the vaccine. Assuming an efficacy of 33% (which is conservative), you are still 4.5 times more likely to die from the flu, and in most seasons, the efficacy rate is above 33%. And by the way, GBS is almost always temporary and most people (67%) recover fully with treatment. Less than 5% die. So in reality, your chances of dying from GBS due to a vaccine are .00001% AT MOST. Your chances of dying of influenza are now 140 times more than dying of GBS.

            This is why antivaxxers are irrational. They are literally 140 times more likely to die from the virus than you are from GBS due to the vaccine. And the chance of getting encephalitis is even lower, by about 10 times. Now, if you’re allergic to the vaccine, that would be a good reason not to get it, but if you’d rather roll a 10,000 sided die with 14 of those numbers causing instant death instead of rolling a 100,000 sided die with 1 of those numbers causing instant death, there’s something seriously wrong with your risk management principles.

          • Brittany Pederson

            Considering most of the supposed logic behind vaccination is “herd immunity” and saving that one kid who can’t have vaccines… don’t you think it’s imperative that people be informed of the risk they are taking? Plus you cannot prove to me that the flu vaccine will save me from death. That is NOT PROVABLE. However, what IS PROVABLE is the damage that happens to some people due to vaccination. Provable risk of vaccination vs theoretical risk of nonvaccination. Hmm… really a hard choice.

          • goalie1021

            Kenneth isnt saying its not a big deal to belittle people who have had reactions to vaccines. What hes saying is what logic tells us and what the numbers and percentages are. Thats the difference between people like him and people like you. He looks at it through logic and reason where as people like you look at it with emotion. Obviously as an American that is your right. If you feel unsafe taking the vaccine then dont take it. Just like when you go to the dentist to get a tooth pulled they tell you there is always a small risk of something bad happening albeit unlikely, same goes for vaccines. However there are also some facts about vaccines that some people fail to realize or admit and that is in a lot of cases vaccines do in fact save lives and benefit people contrary to what some believe. Good example is Polio. Polio was rampant throughout the US in the early years but thanks to vaccines it has been all but eradicated. However over the last couple decades as people become more and more fearful of vaccines and choose NOT to have them, there has been an increase in Polio cases. So bottom line is do vaccines work? The answer is a resounding yes in most cases. Can vaccines harm you? Yes, just like any other medical procedure or drug there are risks, especially to certain people with certain conditions. But overall when you are talking about millions and millions of people with only very few incidents then more times than not the benefits outweigh the risks. But again as an American that is your right. Nobody is saying your a bad person for not having it we are simply saying we dont agree with you. Now all that being said when it comes to certain vaccines and kids if you choose not to have certain vaccines then you do in fact put other children at risk and vice versa

          • Neo

            Gimme a break.
            Vaccines have not eradicated polio considering it’s a water Bourne disease spread through fecal matter.
            Polio is asymptomatic in 95 % of children.
            Paralysis from polio is very rare let alone death.
            You’re confusing pesticide poisoning with polio.
            Learn a little more instead of blindly believing bs from the chemical companies.

          • ciaparker2

            Polio is also an air-borne disease, the way it was with the polio cousin SV-68 three years ago. While most people exposed to polio don’t get very sick (flu-like illness) or don’t get sick at all, numerically the small percentage of those who got a severe, crippling or fatal case was large. I had a roommate who had been crippled by polio: she’s still crippled now. In college she could walk with crutches and braces, but no longer can: now she’s confined to a wheelchair. The vaccine was around when she was small, but her parents were afraid to give it to her, and she got a crippling case of it.

            It looks as though polio had been a universal, mild disease until it was potentiated by different chemicals: pesticides, DDT, lead arsenate, or others. And at that point, around 1900, it became a monster.

            I wouldn’t recommend the polio series now, since it is no longer present in the US. However, Goalie is right, if a lot of people don’t take the vaccine, then it will come back, and at that point I WOULD recommend the vaccine. Both the Sabin and the Salk vaccines were very effective.

          • dogitydog

            “Polio is also an air-borne disease, the way it was with the polio cousin SV-68 three years ago”
            A little research will lead you to the realization that the Polio vaccine derived from the Simeon Monkey Virus was intentionally spiked to cause cancer from which people are still feeding the coffers of the pharmaceutical industry with today. That one reason alone aside from the long list of other reasons, should destroy your trust in the vaccine industry after being caught intentionally injecting millions of people with cancer.

          • Maggie C

            Yes, I’ve read about this. This is why the baby boomer generation has so much cancer and autoimmune disease.

          • Mike Stevens

            “This is why the baby boomer generation has so much cancer “
            Strange that.
            National Cancer rates have been in decline steadily since the 1980s.
            Any sensible person would conclude that if vaccines were anything to do with cancer, that they had reduced cancer rates, rather than increase them.
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          • nuff said

            I’ve got some swamp land for sale………… eyes wide shut……..

          • Ron Roy

            The US ranks 25th in infant mortality among developed countries. Gee I wonder why?

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Ummm, maybe becaus we use different metrics and definitions? Jfc, you’ve been losing the same shyt for the past 2 yrs. Get a life.

          • Mike Stevens

            Because it has s higher prematurity rate, and because it classifies low birthweight babies which die within 24 hours as infant deaths, while many other countries call them neonatal deaths.

            You need wonder no longer, Ron.

            But you might like to tell us why the US infant mortality rate is currently only 20% of the rate it was in the 1970s…. could it be that all those vaccines have brought it down?

          • Ron Roy

            ”But you might like to tell us why the US infant mortality rate is
            currently only 20% of the rate it was in the 1970s…. could it be that
            all those vaccines have brought it down? No vaccines had nothing to do with it:

            ”The precipitous decline in the U.S. infant mortality rate
            (IMR) during the early 20th century (Figure 1) was attributed
            to improvements in milk supplies and sanitation, and to the
            discovery and availability of antibiotics. During the 1970s,
            1980s and 1990s, infant mortality declines were mainly
            the result of improvements in medical technology and
            practice in the obstetric and neonatal fields. Specifically, in
            the area of high-risk obstetrics, antenatal corticosteroids
            and intrapartum antibiotics have been linked to reductions
            in infant mortality. High-frequency ventilation, surfactant,
            postnatal steroid use, thermoregulation, improved nutrition,
            and advances in respiratory management all contributed
            to reductions in infant mortality during this time period.
            Regionalization of perinatal services, particularly in the
            1970s, led to improvements in infant survival by increasing
            access to care in geographic areas where such services
            were scarce. Increases in early and adequate use of
            prenatal care over the same period also contributed to
            improved perinatal health outcomes due to expansions in
            public programs, such as Medicaid”. Source: National Center for Health Statistics
            And as far as more babies dying, in the US, within 24 hours could it be because of the Hep B vaccine given at birth?

          • Mike Stevens

            1. Funny how all those things influence the mortality rate, yet antivaxers think the only relevant factor is vaccines.
            Thanks for clarifying that, Ron, very kind of you. I hope they pay attention.

            2. I never claimed there were more deaths under 24 hours in low birthweight babes in the US, stooped. I just said that in some other countries these were designated as “neonatal deaths”, thereby lowering their IMRs. Pay attention, will you?

          • FallsAngel

            Australia gives Hep B at birth as well and their IMR rate is lowwer than the US’.

            ETA: Link https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

          • Ron Roy

            There are bound to be slight variations in death rates but you know this.

          • FallsAngel

            Blows your argument out of the water, doesn’t it?

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          • Mike Stevens

            You are absolutely correct! Polio vaccine was deliberately spiked with a cancer virus, because all the evil scientists and doctors in the world wanted their own kids and everyone else’s kids to die from cancer.
            It clearly didn’t work though – the vaccine didn’t cause cancer, and polio has virtually been eradicated.

          • ciaparker2

            David said several months ago that everyone should read The Virus and the Vaccine, about many doses of both polio vaccines being contaminated with SV-49, a simian virus. Again, it was an accident, not deliberate. They were aware of many simian viruses contaminating the polio vaccine, but in the case of the others, the formaldehyde used in the vaccine killed the contaminating viruses. SV-49 turned out to be hardly enough to survive the formaldehyde, and it has caused cancer in large numbers of those who got the polio vaccine before the problem was addressed. The Virus and the Vaccine begins with a description of a little boy just a few years ago who developed cancer as a result of the virus which continues to be a problem passed along by those who got it in vaccines many decades ago.
            There is no longer any SV-49 in any polio vaccine. But the vaccines DID cause cancer in thousands (at least), cancers which are continuing to occur.

          • Mike Stevens

            Post hoc fallacies are just one of the myriad of cognitive biases you deploy, Cia.

            Did you read that book about the little boy who died of renal cancer 24 months after getting a pet Labrador?
            The title was :“Dogs give you cancer!”
            I mean, who could argue with that?

          • ciaparker2

            From the CDC: More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine from 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10–30 million Americans could have received an SV40 contaminated dose of vaccine.

          • shay simmons

            And where are the statistics on resulting cancer incidence?

          • Mike Stevens

            And none have been proven to have cancer from SV40, but don’t let that bother you.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            This is sooooo old, yet it’s as if they are incapable of integrating any new knowledge into their sealed up tiny brains. It’s maddening.

          • ciaparker2

            They had the virus in the tumors. The virus is known to be capable of causing cancer. The CDC admits that the virus caused the cancer. But don’t let the facts bother YOU.

          • Mike Stevens

            “The CDC admits that the virus caused the cancer. “

            That’s not a fact, that’s another confabulation of yours.
            Citations please…

          • ciaparker2

            So we have a virus well known for causing cancer in primates. We have it inadvertently given to millions of people in the polio vaccine, and we eventually have a lot of people getting cancer with SV-40 in the tumors. And we have this study which shows there was much MORE of certain kinds of cancer in those who had gotten the contaminated vaccines than in the controls who didn’t. So how are you going to spin THAT one to try to deny the obvious?
            Anticancer Res. 1999 May-Jun;19(3B):2173-80.

            Cancer risk associated with simian virus 40 contaminated polio vaccine.

            Fisher SG1, Weber L, Carbone M.

            Author information

            1Cancer Cause and Prevention Program, Loyola University Medical Center, Maywood, Illinois 60153, USA.

            Abstract

            BACKGROUND:

            The presence of SV40 in monkey cell cultures used in the preparation of the polio vaccine from 1955 through 1961 is well documented. Investigations have consistently demonstrated the oncogenic behavior of SV40 in animal models. Early epidemiologic studies were inadequate in demonstrating an increase in cancer incidence associated with contaminated vaccine. Recently, investigators have provided persuasive evidence that SV40 is present in human ependymomas, choroid plexus tumors, bone tumors, and mesotheliomas, however, the etiologic role of the virus in tumorigenesis has not been established.

            MATERIALS AND METHODS:

            Using data from SEER, we analyzed the incidence of brain tumors, bone tumors, and mesotheliomas from 1973-1993 and the possible relationship of these tumors with the administration of the SV40 contaminated vaccine.

            RESULTS:

            Our analysis indicates increased rates of ependymomas (37%), osteogenic sarcomas (26%), other bone tumors (34%) and mesothelioma (90%) among those in the exposed as compared to the unexposed birth cohort.

            CONCLUSIONS:

            These data suggest that there may be an increased incidence of certain cancers among the 98 million persons exposed to contaminated polio vaccine in the U.S.; further investigations are clearly justified.

            PMID: 10472327

            [Indexed for MEDLINE]

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          • Mike Stevens

            I’m still waiting for you to verify
            your specific claim that “the CDC admits it causes cancer”.
            Where is it?

            Someone who is not the CDC saying “These data suggest that there may be..” doesn’t count, I’m afraid.

          • ciaparker2

            You and your source are very funny.

          • ciaparker2

            And what would satisfactorily prove it for you? Many patients have developed cancers with SV40 in the tumors, never present before the vaccine contamination. Compared with controls, their cancer rates are much higher.

          • shay simmons

            No, the vaccine did not cause cancers in thousands. Case Western did a thirty five year review of vaccine recipients and found nothing to support this claim.

          • ciaparker2

            I bought Hooper’s The River last month. I don’t think anyone deliberately spiked it with anything, the problem was that in some cases vaccine developers used chimpanzee kidneys as cell culture, and polio vaccines used in Africa transmitted the AIDS virus, a virus originally only in some primates.

          • dogitydog

            I don’t recall saying anything about AIDS.
            61% of all human tumors (at autopsy) now contain
            the SV40 monkey virus,
            traceable to the Polio vaccine of the 1950s and 60s.

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          • Pastapharian

            Dumbest thing I’ve read in over 5 minutes. Smfh.

          • Ron Roy

            You can read?

          • dogitydog

            So what you are saying is that your ignorance about something makes it dumb? Not capable of doing the research so just call it dumb instead?

            Contamination of the POLIO vaccine and the continuing effects

            FACT: Before the Polio Vaccine, there had never been a
            virus from another species deliberately injected into humans.

            FACT: 61% of all human tumors (at autopsy) now contain the SV40 monkey virus, traceable to the Polio vaccine of the 1950s and 60s.

            FACT: CUTTER vaccine division and WYETH produced a deadly
            Polio vaccine with a live virus that actually gave the recipient POLIO.

            FACT: All above information was withheld from the public
            for years to avoid a public panic and to prevent a loss of faith in vaccines. polio was a very rare infectious disease that presented little risk to the public, but the risk was greatly exaggerated by the Polio Foundation before the introduction of the polio vaccine, the miracle vaccine – contaminated with a monkey virus which has been
            the cause of soft tissue cancers for decades since.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            I’m sure glad you did your “research.” I have an idea that word means something different to you than to me.
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          • Mike Stevens

            “Polio is also an air-borne disease”
            What is this now, some form of novel microbiology completely new to science?
            The primary transmission of polio is by feco-oral spread.
            The virus is excreted in the feces, so any contact with this, or a vehicle for spread like contaminated water is a risk.
            The virus is an enterovirus, in other words one which has to gain entry through the gastro-intestinal tract. This is by ingestion/oral contact.
            Very rarely it can spread by mouth to mouth contact, as it can be present in the saliva.

          • ciaparker2

            “How does polio spread?

            Poliovirus is very contagious. It spreads through contact with the stool (poop) of an infected person or droplets from a sneeze or cough. If you get stool or droplets from an infected person on your hands and you touch your mouth, you can get infected. Also, if your child puts objects, like toys, that have stool or droplets on them into their mouth, they can get infected.

            An infected person may spread the virus to others immediately before and usually 1 to 2 weeks after developing symptoms. The virus may live in an infected person’s stool for many weeks. He or she can contaminate food and water when they touch it with unwashed hands.”

          • Mike Stevens

            Junior school kids have poor personal/toilet hygiene.

            ….Next stupid question?

          • ciaparker2

            The CDC said: It spreads through contact with the stool (poop) of an infected person or droplets from a sneeze or cough.
            Provide your proof that EV-68 was spread primarily by exposure to poop and not through the air. And please explain why flu IS but polio is NOT spread by air-borne vectors.

          • Neo

            Polio is not an air Bourne disease unless you cough fecal matter in someone’s face!
            Where do you get your info from?
            And if it was then it was from the vaccine!!

          • ciaparker2

            What is it with the shills today? Going down in flames rather than admit that polio can be air- as well as fecal-borne. I can’t think of any propaganda angle, is it just the need to not give a vaccine critic a single point?

            How Is Polio Transmitted And Spread?

            Polio can be spread by consuming contaminated water (virus can be found in
            sewer water)

            touching infected items (changing a baby’s diaper,
            the baby’s waste may contain the germ)

            sharing foods, drinks, and eating utensils with a
            polio victim

            airborne droplets (airborne droplets are germs from
            sneezes, coughs, and spit) contaminated by the polio germ

            https://sites.google.com/a/apps.edina.k12.mn.us/2012s1-12b-polio/spread

            Poliovirus is usually spread from person to person through infected
            fecal matter entering the mouth.[1] It may also be spread by food or water
            containing human feces and less commonly from infected saliva.[1][3]

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis

            •Caused by poliovirus

            –plus strand RNA enterovirus

            –three subtypes with no cross immunity

            –very stable in food and water

            –multiplies in throat and intestinal mucosa

            80https://www.bellarmine.edu/faculty/dobbins/Secret%20Readings/Lecture%20Notes%20313/Ch38_.pdf
            And, since it can multiply in throat mucosa, it can be transmitted by coughing and sneezing, ergo, airborne.

          • Neo

            Watch “Ep99- Polio is a Man-Made Disease: Part 5” on YouTube
            https://youtu.be/Y_DogxiXKaQ

          • Neo

            If it wasn’t for pesticides and the polio vaccine…it would pretty much non fatal.

          • FallsAngel

            Polio is also an air-borne disease,

            No, cia. Fecal-oral and oral-oral.
            http://www.who.int/ith/diseases/polio/en/

            Lurkers: This post is a crock. Polio has been with us since ancient times.

            Note the freeloader approach to the vaccine. This arrogant person has no qualifications to recommend any vaccine or health care treatment. She’s a total fraud.

          • FallsAngel

            the polio cousin SV-68 three years ago.

            Once again, our resident arrogant fraud can’t even get the name of the disease right. It’s EV-D68 , not SV-68. When I looked up SV-68, I found some reference to Super-Vac (SV) oil.

            http://www.supervacoils.com/double-distilled-organic-rotary-vacuum-pump-oil-sv-68/

          • Rebecca Lingenfelter

            As a child, I knew a neighbor girl who had polio and had to wear braces on her legs and had numerous health problems afterwards.

          • Ron Roy

            Must have been from the vaccine.

          • ciaparker2

            I had a college roommate who had been paralyzed by polio, she could walk using crutches and braces then, but is confined to a wheelchair now. It was a terrible disease (potentized by DDT and pesticides), and vaccines did conquer it. But sometimes that vaccine is dangerous, it had killed and disabled, and there’s no polio here now. If polio came back here, I’d recommend the vaccine series.

          • PDB

            vaccines did not conquer it, read Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries.

          • ciaparker2

            Polio still occurs in some countries in the Third World. It has been conquered in the First World. There were several possible cases of polio in some Amish children in 2005, I think, who got it from an uncle who had been in the Netherlands and got an oral vaccine there. When the oral vaccine was used here, there were a few cases of crippling polio caused by it. It’s no longer used here, and there has been no case of natural polio in the Western Hemisphere in many decades.
            I like Dissolving Illusions and I like Suzanne Humphries. I disagree with those who try to say that polio in the twentieth century in the US wasn’t really polio. In some cases it was misdiagnosed, but especially during epidemics, if it looked like polio, it usually was polio. The DDT etc. opened pathways for the virus to invade the nervous system and cause paralysis. There are very few diseases which can cause permanent paralysis in children. Notice that the thousands of cases of severe or crippling polio were pushed back and stopped in the wake of the vaccine campaigns. If they had REALLY been caused by GBS or Coxsackie virus, then they would have continued, but they didn’t.
            I am a vehement vaccine critic, but I will not say what I don’t believe to be true. The polio vaccines, especially the Salk injected vaccine, were a triumph of science and saved many lives. It is one of the few vaccines which I will defend, but recognize that, like all vaccines, it can be dangerous. I would not force anyone to take it. If it comes back, nearly everyone will want to get it for their children and maybe themselves.

          • shay simmons

            No, polio was around long before DDT and pesticides.

          • FallsAngel

            It’s been around since the pyramids were built in Egypt.
            https://owlcation.com/humanities/Polio-Virus-and-Its-Odd-History

          • nancy nelson

            Yes, and if you research you will see that it was a very mild disease before the polio vaccine (just like the ZIKA lie, women that had the encephaletic babies were in an area where a strong mosquito repellant was sprayed into the water and those women were also given the Dpt shot during their pregnancy, THIS was the cause of ZIKA. Of all the women in Columbia that had ZIKA there were no encephalitic babies at all) that was done by Jonas Salk, sponsored by the rockafeller foundation. The vaccines caused the paralizations. This vaccine basically started the ball rolling, very very profitable for the rockafellers. Also, around the turn of the century the rockafellers joined with the AMA to only have drug based universities certified. They did this purely to make a profit. Now our Western doctors are worthless except in emergency situations such as car accidents. With Chronic illness they do everything wrong, EVERYTHING. Vaccines are here to make people sick. They contain Nagalese which turns off the bodies GcMAF, the trigger to turn on the immune system. Not to mention the formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, etc. Google Bill Gates speech about population control. He says that our population right now is too high, but if we do a “good job” witzedh vaccines we could reduce our populations. What do you think he means? Does he mean the poison his “foundation” is giving the people in third world countries? Yes he does. People, do NOT get vaccinated and do not get your children vaccinated. Watch VAXXED and hopefully your eyes will finally be opened. The CDC is a private corporation by the way…..they are financed by big Pharma and they have no reason to protect the public, their only obligation is to their stock holders. The diseases we are being innoculated for now had been disappearing way before their immunizations were produced. The immune system is much stronger when the body actually contracts the disease itself. Also, the body never “forgets” these antibodies, unlike when immunized, thats why the CDC recommends redosing (That, and its also really profitable) If you have actually had chicken pox you will have a natural immunity to shingles. If you get the shingles vaccine there is a much higher chance of contracting shingles. If any of you want to listen to a genius, watch Dr. John Bergman.

          • shay simmons

            “…a very mild disease before the vaccine.”

            Pity there are still so many people who were around back then and can testify that you’re misinformed (to put it mildly).

          • JoeFarmer

            Jesus H. Christ on a cracker, you are an idiot!

          • FallsAngel

            Yes, and if you research you will see that it was a very mild disease before the polio vaccine

            You need a sanity check.

          • ciaparker2

            That’s not true. It was a mild disease before pesticides started to be used in the 1890s. Then lead arsenate and DPT. Any of these chemicals can open pathways for the polio virus to invade the nervous system and cause paralysis. It used to be that 100% of children had immunity by the time they were just a few years old. But that time is probably gone forever. Most people still got immunity subclinically, about 10% got flulike symptoms and nothing more, but a tiny number percentage wise that was large numerically was paralyzed by polio, many for life (like my roommate), and some died.

            While some polio was misdiagnosed, during an epidemic, if it looked like polio, it usually was. The vaccines wiped it out in developed countries. Also caused cancer from the EV40 contaminant, and maybe AIDS from another contaminant, but natural polio has been gone from the US for decades now.

            Measles and pertussis became much milder than they had been before the vaccines for them were given routinely. Tetanus, diphtheria, and polio did not become milder, and continued to cause a lot of suffering and death until the vaccines controlled it. Hib disease was a terrible disease in the one in 200 babies who got a serious case of it thirty years ago,, before the vaccine. Pneumo and meningococcal meningitis can also be terrible diseases when they occur clinically: the first was common, the second uncommon. The vaccines for them often ARE dangerous. It would be better to breastfeed until self-weaning and avoid daycare, but if daycare is necessary, parents should research it (including peanut allergy, now in one in 50 children in the US, caused by the HIb vaccine), and make a decision. One in a thousand babies died of Hib disease before the vaccine thirty years ago.

            The other vaccines should not be given. The pertussis vaccine, never. Keep babies at home, do NOT give them the pertussis vaccine. Nor the MMR. Hep-A is mild in children. I’d say the DT series after two, polio only if it came back here, and the HIb vaccine is a hard choice: maybe for babies between six and eighteen months not breastfed and in daycare. Get Aviva Jill Romm’s book Vaccination on how to care for children with the mild diseases, or routine cases of them, and get a book on homeopathy to learn how to prevent and treat the diseases. And get Randalll Neustadeter’s books on flu, and caring for illness in babies and another book for children.

          • Mike Stevens

            “the EV40 contaminant,”

            Cia, as it has been pointed out to you before, you mean “SV40”.
            Not “EV40”, or “SV49”, both of which you have often used before.

            If you are going to comment about something and pretend you know about it, it’s always best to get the name of the damn thing right in the first place.
            Otherwise it just reveals your ignorance on the topic, something you have in spades.

          • ciaparker2

            I apologize for typos if I’ve said SV (simian virus contaminating polio vaccine) for EV (enterovirus, the family of polio and other viruses) or the reverse. I’m usually going very fast, having many other things to do. Also 40 and 49. I can’t see the numbers at the top of my keyboard and often make mistakes if I don’t actually look at them from six inches away.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            I watched Vaxxed and I have some concerns/questions. Perhaps you can address them?

            https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/so-lets-watch-vaxxed-part-4/

          • FallsAngel

            If polio came back here, I’d recommend the vaccine series.

            That just shows how stupid you are, cia! If we stopped vaccinating and polio “came back” a lot of harm would be done before a vaccination program could get up and running. As long as there is polio in the world, we will vaccinate for it.

            Lurkers: Disregard this poster’s recommendations on anything relating to vaccines. She has no health care background, which should be obvious to any sentient being.

          • Brian

            Polio virus has been completely eradicated in all but a few countries, thanks to vaccination.

          • dogitydog

            Thanks to vaccination and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Polio is alive and still maiming and killing children in third world countries across the globe. You should actually try researching for yourself about things you are going to post instead of repeating things you hear. Vaccines have been weaponized and are killing people just like you and when you blindly defend their evil agenda you become part of the problem not the solution.

          • Mike Stevens

            It must be difficult to perform the normal activities of daily living when one has extreme delusions.
            How do you manage?

          • Tony Wilson

            as delusional as India wanting charges brought against the Gates Foundation for the infant deaths associated with Gates’ vaccination program in India?

          • Mike Stevens

            Yes it is, assuming that claim is even accurate.

          • doomsday

            Hey egg head, did you make that crapola up or are you just a vaccine maroon?

          • shay simmons

            Link to the current status of that action? Because that claim has been circulating for a few years now, and no court proceeding against the Gates’ has occurred.

          • Ron Roy

            Bribed himself out of it did he?

          • shay simmons

            DId he? What’s the current status?

          • doomsday

            Is lying part of your plan or are you suffering from vaccine fallacy?

          • dogitydog

            The delusions come from posting comments on subjects that you have done no research on. Being gullible only compounds it.

          • Mike Stevens

            “The delusions come from posting comments on subjects that you have done no research on. Being gullible only compounds it.”

            I’m glad you possess such insight into your own behaviour.

          • doomsday

            You are right, if you got Bill Gate’s vaccine and then got polio which 1000’s did, they just renamed it as Non polio flaccid paralysis which is clinically indistinguisable from wild polio only you had the vaccine. Mike Stevens is a complete shtfuc and maybe we should forward his address to India so that people can see the kind of useless tosserrs who lumped this disaster upon them. Nice whiteman Mikey.

          • Ron Roy

            ”In 2011, for instance, the year in which India was declared to be
            polio-free, there were 47,500 known cases of NPAFP, which is a
            shockingly high figure under the circumstances. And based on data
            collected from India’s National Polio Surveillance Project, cases
            of NPAFP across India rose dramatically in direct proportion to the
            number of polio vaccines administered, which suggests that the vaccines
            were responsible for spurring the rapid spread of this deadly condition”.https://www.naturalnews.com/035588_polio_vaccine_India_paralysis.html

          • shay simmons

            What does the NP in NPAFP stand for, Ron?

          • JoeFarmer

            Ron Roy, the man that caused 10,000 facepalms…

          • Ron Roy

            It stands for Non Polio but that deosn’t mean the polio vaccine is not the cause.The virus from the vaccine mutated in the host and caused a crippling disease which is twice as deadly as the polio they were vaccinate against. But you know this you’re just paid to try and obfuscate the truth.

          • shay simmons

            Evidence needed for all three of your claims, Ron.

            (Try to read your cites, first).

          • Ron Roy

            ”According to the Washington Post, polio has returned to Europe for the
            first time in five years – but now in a mutated form that even the
            mainstream media admits was caused by the vaccine itself. The Washington Post reports:”

            ”The cVDPV2 strain is a “mutated version of the [polio]virus in some
            vaccines rather than a wild polio strain.” This vaccine-derived
            poliovirus is caused by the oral polio vaccine (OPV), which uses an
            attenuated (weakened but still alive) form of the poliovirus”

            There were 47,500 cases of non-polio paralysis reported in 2011,
            the same year India was declared “polio-free,” according to Dr.
            Vashisht and Dr. Puliyel. Further, the available data shows that the
            incidents tracked back to areas were doses of the polio vaccine were
            frequently administered… Related studies in India have already
            demonstrated that polio vaccines are the leading cause of polio paralysis.

            That’s more than 47,000 children crippled and permanently disabled by the vaccine – not the disease!http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/09/03/the-polio-vaccine-is-causing-the-new-polio/

          • shay simmons

            Oh, Dr Puliyel again, and truthstreammedia. From 2015. Unfortunately, if you click on the link to the Washington Post in the article, it doesn’t support those claims.

            Read your cites, Ron.

          • ciaparker2

            That was shocking. I researched it, and was shocked for several reasons. OK, they got polio because they had gotten the oral vaccine many times, as often as twenty in five years in a few cases. I thought Why don’t they just get the four doses by five years old they get in the US? And it turns out that in tropical countries like India, that’s not enough. I would say they need to try lathyrus sativus, the homeopathic remedy used both to prevent and treat polio, I really can’t think of anything else.

          • Neo

            Why…because the vaccine was introduced and the diseases declined?
            Anecdotal is all that is.

          • doomsday

            Polio is still alive and ‘kicking’ in India after Polio plus renamed it NPFP when everyone got the vaccine and paralysis did not go away, it just got rebranded!

          • Brian

            Not just declined, but completely eliminated from all but a few specific regions. It’s even gone from places that still have terrible problems with sanitation, nutrition, and other diseases.

          • doomsday

            No is hasn’t, it has been renamed Bill Gates variant polio in India.

          • Pastapharian

            You win dumbest comment if the day. Congrats.

          • doomsday

            Hey, it’s FGMpasta balls, all the way from the septic tank. How’s the rectus-holus doing babe?

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Hey, it’s my gay little stalker. How special.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Babe?

          • JoeFarmer

            Ol’ doomsday seems repressed…

          • Ron Roy

            You’re too modest. No one could possibly beat your comments for stupidity. I hope no one is paying you to comment.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            You’re a homeless fckwit. Nobody gets paid to post on these insipid articles.

          • Ron Roy

            You’re not paid? You’re missing out. Talk to shay and she can tell you how to contact her employer. No need to thank me.

          • Verna Lang

            India has now been declared polio free after a country-wide vaccine initiative. The Indian government is also trying to find a solution to a lack of sanitary facilities that leaves almost 50% of the population depositing their fecal matter in the open. India has also not banned any pesticides that coincide with the polio free status. So tell us again how polio is not longer a common disease in India due to better hygiene and stopping the use of pesticides?

          • Neo

            Watch “Ep99- Polio is a Man-Made Disease: Part 5” on YouTube
            https://youtu.be/Y_DogxiXKaQ

          • Verna Lang

            Headdesk. Did not you notice the “My Incredible Opinion” in the lower left corner? Incredible definition: impossible to believe. That is because this guy is making up a story, without evidence of proof, that is based on “I think I know why!” Probably because he neglected to look up the history of polio, which predates those pesticides, and how the polio virus gets into cells. Big surprise! It enters cells the same way as other viruses! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/db7bfb25f30c055f938d7cab6b0ff62ce4000861e0e6869a02e875e3b59756b4.jpg

          • Neo

            Polio is 95 % asymptomatic in children.
            To get paralysis from the virus is very rare let alone death.
            This video makes complete sense.
            How do we know what is happening in India, who has this proof…the WHO that’s run by Big Pgarma, the corrupt CDC?
            Polio outbreaks mainly occurred in the summer when heavy spraying was happening.
            There is no coincidence.
            Corporations protecting corporations.

          • Verna Lang

            The video only makes complete sense to someone who holds duel citizenship in the lands of conspiracy theory and complete lack of knowledge of viral diseases.
            This is a quote from a paper on the history of polio in India: “Until early 1990s India was hyperendemic for polio, with an average of 500 to 1000 children getting paralysed daily.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734678/
            In order for you to feel special and awake and a holder of secret knowledge, you are willing to spread the word to try to bring back the good old days when every year between 180,000 and 365,000 children in India experienced paralysis. It was a small percentage of the total number of children in India at the time, but a small percentage of a large population adds up to some very big numbers of children suffering for a lifetime.
            Repeat after me: “The CDC does not run the health agencies of the world.” During a government shutdown, it can’t even answer the phone.

          • Neo

            Please…India has been and is still continuously dumping pesticides in the water along with who knows what else that they drink from for decades!!
            Stop with your….bs!
            Yes…im trying to bring back polio through water contamination and shit, and Bill Gates is bringing it back with the oral polio that was banned in 2000 from causing paralysis.
            The CDC does not run health agencies of the world…lol!
            Everything is based from the corrupt CDC and the WHO that’s run by Pharma ….who are you kidding!!

          • Verna Lang

            You will be happy to know then that India is still working on basic hygiene. Up to 50% of their population do not have access to any sort of toilet and have to defecate out in the open where their feces can spread disease freely. Yet they still used to have 500 to 1000 children per day paralyzed by polio under your preferred system of exposing all children to wild polio. Yes, most children were exposed in early childhood, had no symptoms, and developed immunity. However, given the large number of young children in India, hundreds of thousands of children had the ‘rare’ complication of paralysis every year before the vaccine campaign. You want to bring that back, and post conspiracy theories to support your stance. Methinks your tin foil hat is too tight.

          • Neo

            99% of adults haven’t been vaccinated in decades.
            Vaccines do not confer any immunity, and even if they did temporarily for a brief moment, no adults have any immunity left from any vaccine they received when they were little, so why are diseases not destroying the planet , you saying that we need to poison all the children with toxic injections to save humanity?
            See how bs your Pharma logic is!

          • Verna Lang

            You just made up the “99% of adults haven’t been vaccinated in decades.” See the table below for the number of adults vaccinated in Canada. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/healthy-living/vaccine-uptake-canadian-adults-results-2014-adult-national-immunization-coverage-survey.html
            The reason why the vaccination rate isn’t higher?

            Most adults (88%; 95%CI 86.7, 89.4) and healthcare personnel (92%, 95%CI 89.4, 95.0) believed that immunization is a recognized healthcare practice in their family. Additionally, 77% (95%CI 75.8, 79.4) of adults and 91% (95%CI 88.3, 93.5) of healthcare personnel reported that they knew enough about the benefits of immunization. While 80% (95%CI 78.5, 81.9) of individuals believed that they received all of the vaccines required for someone their age, only 6% (95%CI 5.3, 7.4) had the recommended number of pertussis and tetanus vaccine doses in adulthood.

            Most adults are apparently not aware that they need booster shots. Diseases are not destroying the planet because the overall vaccination rates are still high enough for herd immunity despite your cheerleading for measles, tetanus and diphtheria to make a comeback. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2cc033d481df03d23c08d76d715857dad2e82a2da9265592a8fdf78a633d3ad0.png

          • Neo

            Oh Vera……there is no vaccine induced herd immunity, never was and never will be.
            Maybe if we all walked around with an IV bag full of vaccines 24/7, then we just might have some immunity from vaccines…….providing we’re not dead from them.
            Ok….so let’s say then 90% of adults haven’t been vaccinated with polio, measels, chicken pox, diptheria , pertussis, and all the other shit they pump for decades!
            You saying that because of the children that are vaccinated, that is enough to prevent these DEADLY outbreaks?
            Yeah ok.
            You know why there aren’t many outbreaks, because of natural immunity we have all had and are not dying from that was passed on.
            Otherwise you wouldn’t be here spouting Pharma bs.
            There has never been any proof that vaccines eradicated any disease, all anecdotal.
            We introduced vaccines and it looks like diseases declined, so it must be the vaccine….lol!

          • Acleron

            No herd immunity? That must be why when vaccination rates fall below the level predicted by herd immunity, the diseases reappear.

            ‘We introduced vaccines and it looks like diseases declined, so it must be the vaccine….lol!’

            Yeah, in country after country, time after time and only for the specific disease towards which the vaccine is directed. LOL indeed.

          • Neo

            No herd immunity? That must be why when vaccination rates fall below the level predicted by herd immunity, the diseases reappear.
            That’s according to who……oh right….the vaccine pushers that are immune from lawsuits.
            Oh wait….vaccines do cause immunity….to the manufacturers…..lol!

          • JoeFarmer

            Your post makes a compelling case for more STEM education funding in the U.S.

          • Neo

            You mean more brainwashing!!

          • JoeFarmer

            Wrong again, dimbulb.

          • Verna Lang

            Oh, Neo. If only you could read accurately and without your preconception goggles on. The name is Verna, not the more common Vera. Why did that happen? Your brain is editing the information right in front of your eyes and fitting it to agree with a name you are more familiar with.
            Given that the rest of your comment revealed your complete lack of knowledge of the history, cause, and immunology of diseases and vaccines, you could benefit from an educational resource: https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/misconceptions-about-vaccines
            If you do read it, you will no doubt have your misconception goggles strapped on tight to prevent any knowledge impacting your brain.

          • Neo

            Did read it and as usual it’s just a bunch of lies following a 200 year old practice that didn’t work then and does not work today.
            Its all anecdotal.
            Correlatiin foes not equate causation.

          • Verna Lang

            You don’t have a clue what anecdotal and correlation mean, do you?
            I put ‘vaccine effectiveness’ into the PubMed search bar. Limited the results to the last 5 years. Nearly 4000 articles were listed.
            This one is a meta-analysis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26908671
            Look at the hierarchy of evidence below. Note where meta-analysis is on the pyramid. Note where the so-called evidence that is shared amongst anti-vaccine Luddites lies in relation to the pyramid. Please stay confined to your circle and try not to make the world burn with fevers that are being brought back by antivaccine ignorance. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/be0e8687730d4a9de152f2e49b78396d220b93188b09055e8761ec313f89fafe.png

          • Neo

            I forgot, only Pharma trolls can use anecdotal and correlation equates causation to fit the Pharma narrative…..lol!!
            If vaccines are so safe, they would not need a law to protect them.
            It’s that simple really!

          • Verna Lang

            You didn’ t look at the meta-analysis did you? That would involve looking at data pooled from 42 studies for just the effectiveness of the varicella vaccine alone. Those studies originated from the United States (23), China (4), Germany (3), Israel (3), Italy (2), Spain (2), Taiwan (2), Australia (1), Turkey (1), and Uruguay (1). That’s data, not anecdotes, but I wouldn’t expect a conspiracy theorist who keeps repeating the same tired paranoid rants to appreciate something utterly foreign to them like evidence.

          • AutismDadd

            Hilarious many consider meta-analysis biased and unreliable.

          • Verna Lang

            Let me correct that for you. Many pseudoscientists consider meta-analysis biased and unreliable. Let’s add ignorance of the hierarchy of evidence to the steadily lengthening list of things about which you know nothing, Jon Snow.

          • AutismDadd

            Rubbish, and your dismissal shows deflection not evidence.

          • Verna Lang

            My evidence was above in the meta-analysis link. The one you dismissed with echo chamber rhetoric.

          • AutismDadd

            Yawn. another fail

          • AutismDadd

            Yea it was hilarious. Its great to get to chuckle once in a while

          • AutismDadd

            You can flush that link its crap

          • Verna Lang

            How about you give us your evidence based reasons of why meta-analyses are crap, as you so eloquently put it? I think you will have to use the sources in the Not Scientific Evidence circle. (See diagram above).

          • AutismDadd

            They are unreliable

          • Verna Lang

            Definition: ev·i·dence
            ˈevədəns
            noun
            1. the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
            “the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination”
            synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, attestation
            “They are unreliable” is an opinion unsubstantiated by evidence.

            Does your internet provider charge extra for punctuation? You seem to avoid using any as much as possible.

          • AutismDadd

            So start researching

          • Verna Lang

            So you want me to reinvent the wheel? Seems to be counterproductive in light of the overwhelming body of existing research that shows vaccines have very little risk and tremendous benefits.

          • AutismDadd

            I doubt you could invent anything. But you do have a lovely yet chronic case of Blind Faith Syndrome.

          • tomonthebay

            And your science and math background to tell us that that link is crap is what Duddy?

          • AutismDadd

            tomonabone thinks he has something on me. Wrong.

          • tomonthebay

            Dadds level of understanding of science is at a junior high lever (at best).

          • Verna Lang

            I’m not sure understanding, science, and ADadd belong in the same sentence.

          • Acleron

            I’m not sure that anything factual or logical and Duddy Boy belong on the same planet.

          • shay simmons

            I’m not sure they belong in the same grid square.

          • AutismDadd

            I read that trash link before. Its for sheeple

          • AutismDadd

            Buh Wah Ha Ha less than 4,000 surveyed

          • JoeFarmer

            You are utterly clueless.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Vaccines do not confer any immunity”
            …and the Tooth Fairy is real, the CIA killed Princess Diana, and the KKK killed Kennedy.

          • Mike Stevens

            “The video only makes complete sense to someone who holds dual
            citizenship in the lands of conspiracy theory and complete lack of
            knowledge of viral diseases.”

            Most antivaxers have those, ..in buckets.

          • Verna Lang

            Just realized I typed duel instead of dual. Freudian slip?

          • tomonthebay

            You tube, the source of all wisdom. LOL.

          • AutismDadd

            Quit trolling the forums

          • Neo

            Lol…….ah yes…if it doesn’t fit the Pharma narrative it’s not credible, oh but if I posted Snopes or Skeptical raptor run by Pharma that would be a credible source right?

          • tomonthebay

            Raptor actually backs up his statements with credible sources. You tube is not credible at all.

          • Neo

            Lol……now thats funny!!

          • Tony Wilson

            Why would my Unvaccinated child put your vaccinated child at risk if the efficacy of vaccine is so high???

          • Keri Coleman

            Because my baby has not had all of her vaccinations yet. Your child walking around with pneumonia or other diseases could get her so sick she could die. On top of that people like you will take your sick kid out around other kids because you think it’s no big deal.

          • ciaparker2

            Any vaccine can cause disability or death in anyone. Read the package insert of any vaccine which you think is safe, look at the adverse reaction section. Parents should keep babies at home, not put them in daycare, and be cautious about who they let hold the baby or get near him. Treat any severe illness with high-dose IV vitamin C.

            There are a lot of illnesses in the world. Every parent must decide what the wisest course is for her own child, which in many cases means refusing some or all of the vaccines. You do not have the right to complain about her choices.

          • Keri Coleman

            I know several babies and children that have died from a disease preventable by vaccines also. There are dangers with both. I’m not keeping my child locked inside a home and not getting them vaccinated. I have a 7 year old and 17 year old on school as well as a baby at home. Kids have to go to school so your response to keep them home is invalid.
            There was a 2 year old baby girl just died from rsv because she didn’t get the vaccine. I seem her sick and kept her away from my baby. Her parents don’t believe vaccines are safe and now their baby is dead and it’s their fault. That is on your conscience because you are part of the scare tactics that scared her parents and now she’s DEAD. keep your kid away from mine.

          • Ron Roy

            An I know of several babies and adults who have died because of vaccines not to mention those that became disabled.

          • ciaparker2

            Me too.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            No. You don’t.

          • Ron Roy

            Yes I do. I can keep this up all night. Next.

          • ciaparker2

            47 states permit parents to take a religious exemption to the shot “requirement” for school. I have one for my vaccine-disabled daughter who is in high school now. I’ve had it since she started kindergarten. One in 36 American children is now on the autism spectrum, the highest rate ever. And it’s caused by vaccines. Up from three in 10,000 thirty years ago.

            No. It’s up to you to keep your child away from those you think may be carrying a dangerous disease. I never tried to keep my daughter away from illness. I breastfed her for years, never reduced her fever when she had stomach flu a number of times, she had chickenpox and pertussis at eight and nine months despite having had the DTaP at 2, 4, and 6 months. She had EV-68 three years ago. Her immune system became very strong as a result. Last Saturday night she threw up, had a low fever of 100 last Sunday, but then was completely recovered by Monday. I don’t know if it was just something mild or if it were the H3N2 flu which everyone is getting now, and her immune system just brushed it away. She is 17 now too.

            When I was in grade school, measles swept through our school and I got it when I was six, as all kids did then (99% anyway). Natural measles is the best experience possible for establishing a healthy immune system. Chickenpox a year later, also contracted at school. Natural rubella at some point. The formerly universal childhood diseases are very beneficial and very rarely dangerous.

            RSV? That’s not a vaccine routinely given. It’s given to some young newborns in particular danger. Unless the child you mention was immunocompromised, there would have been no reason to give her the RSV vaccine.

            Establishing a healthy immune system is the best thing parents can do for their children. It means extended breast feeding, few or no vaccines or pharma drugs, antibiotics only when absolutely necessary. Adequate healthy food, preferably organic, with few processed foods. Being grateful when children catch mild childhood diseases (even pertussis is usually relatively mild now), and nursing them appropriately (see Aviva Jill Romm’s Vaccination for a lot of advice on nursing them). The immune system cannot become strong and competent if it never practices on real disease. That’s what the childhood diseases are for. I’m not saying expose them to Ebola, but measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, even pertussis (after early infancy), hep-A, flu, are all usually mild and ultimately beneficial for the vast majority.

          • Ron Roy

            In other words herd immunity can never be because there will always be a substantial number of people who cannot be vaccinated or are not up on their vaccines like yourself for instance.

          • Ron Roy
          • Mike Stevens

            1. Unvaccinated children are more likely to get infected after exposure than a vaccinated child, and therefore pose a greater infection risk.
            2. Infants are unable to be vaccinated (for flu) until 6 months plus, and some cannot be vaccinated because of medical conditions that contraindicate vaccines.
            3. As we know, vaccination is not 100% protective, so some of those vaccinated still remain vulnerable.
            Have your logic circuits kicked in yet?
            I genuinely wish there were vaccines that provided 100% guarantee against infection. But we don’t have that yet, and we also must think about all the susceptible kids who can’t be vaxed or who are too young for vaccines. They need protection too, and it’s highly selfish to feel absolutely no social responsibility for providing some protection for them if possible.

          • Ron Roy

            Is Herd Immunity Real?

            ”In the original description of herd immunity, the protection to the
            population at large occurred only if people contracted the infections
            naturally. The reason for this is that naturally-acquired immunity lasts
            for a lifetime. The vaccine proponents quickly latched onto this
            concept and applied it to vaccine-induced immunity. But, there was one
            major problem – vaccine-induced immunity lasted for only a relatively
            short period, from 2 to 10 years at most, and then this applies only to
            humoral immunity. This is why they began, silently, to suggest boosters
            for most vaccines, even the common childhood infections such as
            chickenpox, measles, mumps, and rubella.

            Then they discovered an even greater problem, the boosters were
            lasting for only 2 years or less. This is why we are now seeing mandates
            that youth entering colleges have multiple vaccines, even those which
            they insisted gave lifelong immunity, such as the MMR. The same is being
            suggested for full-grown adults. Ironically, no one in the media or
            medical field is asking what is going on. They just accept that it must
            be done.

            That vaccine-induced herd immunity is mostly myth can be proven quite
            simply. When I was in medical school, we were taught that all of the
            childhood vaccines lasted a lifetime. This thinking existed for over 70
            years. It was not until relatively recently that it was discovered that
            most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after
            being given. What this means is that at least half the population, that
            is the baby boomers, have had no vaccine-induced immunity against any of
            these diseases for which they had been vaccinated very early in life.
            In essence, at least 50% or more of the population was unprotected for
            decades.

            If we listen to present-day wisdom, we are all at risk of resurgent
            massive epidemics should the vaccination rate fall below 95%. Yet, we
            have all lived for at least 30 to 40 years with 50% or less of the
            population having vaccine protection. That is, herd immunity has not
            existed in this country for many decades and no resurgent epidemics have
            occurred. Vaccine-induced herd immunity is a lie used to frighten
            doctors, public-health officials, other medical personnel, and the
            public into accepting vaccinations.

            When we examine the scientific literature, we find that for many of
            the vaccines protective immunity was 30 to 40%, meaning that 70% to 60%
            of the public has been without vaccine protection. Again, this would
            mean that with a 30% to 40% vaccine-effectiveness rate combined with the
            fact that most people lost their immune protection within 2 to 10 year
            of being vaccinated, most of us were without the magical 95% number
            needed for herd immunity. This is why vaccine defenders insist the
            vaccines have 95% effectiveness rates.

            Without the mantra of herd immunity, these public-health officials
            would not be able to justify forced mass vaccinations. I usually give
            the physicians who question my statement that herd immunity is a myth a
            simple example. When I was a medical student almost 40 years ago, it was
            taught that the tetanus vaccine would last a lifetime. Then 30 years
            after it had been mandated, we discovered that its protection lasted no
            more than 10 years. Then, I ask my doubting physician if he or she has
            ever seen a case of tetanus? Most have not. I then tell them to look at
            the yearly data on tetanus infections – one sees no rise in tetanus
            cases. The same can be said for measles, mumps, and other childhood
            infections. It was, and still is, all a myth.” From The Vaccination Council

          • FallsAngel

            Do you just like to see yourself post? Herd immunity has been discussed with you many times.

            And where, oh where, do you get this idea that vaccine immunity only lasts 2-10 years? For some vaccines it’s lifetime or that boosters only last two years. No cite for this one? Did it come from “whale”?

            When I was a medical student almost 40 years ago, it was
            taught that the tetanus vaccine would last a lifetime.

            You were a med student? That explains some things, you’re a med school drop out! Probably a flunk-out! You sure didn’t learn that tetanus lesson very well. Regular boosters every 10 years has been recommended for decades.

          • Ron Roy

            Recommended but very few people get them and besides:”A tetanus vaccination cannot possibly
            protect from the disease since the human organism cannot build up any immunity
            after contracting the disease (as is the same after HIB, diphtheria or TB). So,
            if nature hasn’t planned the immunity, how does the vaccine work? Furthermore, the tetanus vaccination (as
            is the case with the diphtheria vaccine) is a so-called toxoid vaccine. The
            killed poison of the tetanus bacilli is injected into the body and meant to
            protect us. But the human body cannot build up immunity against poisons31.
            How can the vaccine protect us then? The official statistics of the various
            countries show us that the vaccine does not protect us. The Robert Koch
            Institute in Germany admits that 2/3 people who contract tetanus have been fully
            vaccinated32. The rate in Switzerland was 50% fully vaccinated and
            still contracted the disease.”—Anita Petek-Dimmer

          • FallsAngel

            file:///C:/Users/home/Downloads/p4220(4).pdf
            “Almost
            all cases of tetanus are in people who have never been vaccinated, or
            who completed their childhood series, but did not have a booster dose in
            the preceding 10 years.”

            How about an actual quote from the Robert Koch Institute. I see this Antia is featured in Whale. Laugh you out of the room, Ron! Scopie’s law.

          • ciaparker2

            It depends. Is it a clause in the social contract that parents of even the most susceptible children must give them all the vaccines, no matter how likely it is that they cause autism, seizures, asthma, SIDS, etc. etc., in order to possibly prevent someone else’s child from contracting a still-latent case of flu or pertussis from your child? How much is the clause diluted by the huge ineffectiveness of these vaccines? Why is her child more valuable than my child? Why can’t she keep her child at home if she’s so worried? And even vaxxed children spread pertussis very often these days.

          • Mike Stevens

            If you base your opinion on fake facts, then your opinion is worthless, Cia.
            But thanks for playing.

          • Ron Roy

            These vaccine shills are paid to defend vaccines at all costs.

          • Keri Coleman

            Polio vaccines do not contain the same chemicals as flu vaccines. You’re comparing Apple’s to oranges. The syringe is the only thing in common here.

          • ciaparker2

            The polio vaccine is safer than most, but it still has caused death or disability in large numbers of children.

          • Ron Roy

            How can the unvaccinated be a threat to the vaccinated?

          • FallsAngel

            Oh, jeez, Ron, we’ve been through this dozens of times. The unvaccinated get sick, and then they pass their illness on to those whose vaccination didn’t take such as the immunocompromised, or, more likely, to those who couldn’t get vaccinated either due to age (have to be 6 months to get the flu shot), or medical exemption.

          • Ron Roy

            And how about all the adults who’s vaccine protection ( as if there were such a thing ) has worn off? You know like the pediatricians who are exposed to all these diseases?

          • FallsAngel

            Well, obviously the pediatricians (and their staff as I once was) have continuing immunity.

          • Ron Roy

            No they don’t.

          • FallsAngel

            Oh, yes they (we) do, Ron-boy. I worked in one, remember? No one there got any VPD other than flu.

          • FallsAngel

            Well good for her. She’s working for a quack if s/he sends patients “online” to “research” vaccines.

          • Ron Roy

            A quack because of informing his patients of the possible harm that could come from vaccines, as required by law, he passes the buck and at least allows someone to suggest they look up the info themselves?

          • FallsAngel

            That is pretty quacky, to not inform his patients. It’s also illegal. You should turn him in!

          • Ron Roy

            None of them do. Unless you consider the watered down version of the real truth to be sufficient.

          • Bored Now

            The most statistically strong evidence is sufficient. Too bad you’re usually on the side of poor quality evidence.

          • shay simmons

            Not always. Once in a blue moon he cites something credible, but its always because he didn’t bother to read far enough to see that it contradicted him.

          • Ron Roy

            That’s you Johnny. Oh and can you form a sentence without using the word ”statistics” or any version of it?

          • Bored Now

            That’s you Johnny.

            Yes, I am on the side of the most statistically strong evidence.

            Oh and can you form a sentence without using the word ”statistics” or any version of it?

            Sure, I do this all the time but when discussing something which is strongly dependent on statistics, I am likely to mention statistics.

            You don’t like this because well there are blocks of wood which can correctly answer statistical problems better than you can.

          • Ron Roy

            Let’s see 1-2 -3-4 -5. Yep I was right you can’t.

          • Bored Now

            When you talk about something which, is in essence is statistical. It increases the likelihood that statistics will enter the conversation. That in turn heightens the probability that some inflection of “statistics” gets used.

            In short: If you don’t want to hear the word “statistics” don’t bring up things that are largely statistical. Otherwise you are destined to be disappointed. Statistically speaking.. 🙂

          • shay simmons

            If he’s breaking the law, why hasn’t your step-daughter turned him in?

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Cuz he’s full of shit?

          • shay simmons

            I’ve noticed he has some convenient relatives.

          • Ron Roy

            I have a big family.Nice of you to notice.

          • shay simmons

            Especially when you trot them out as characters in otherwise unsupported (and unbelievable) anecdotes.

          • Bored Now

            …and neighbors and history of watching television.

          • shay simmons

            And his sisters and his cousins whom he reckons up by dozens and his aunts.

          • FallsAngel

            Just like cia!

          • JoeFarmer

            He’s like Tommy Flanagan, except not entertaining.

          • Ron Roy

            That you looking in a mirror. Now go clean up.

          • Ron Roy

            Because he’s still gives them a watered down version of what he’s supposed to give them like all other pediatricians do and they get away with it. And by staying in good terms with him he allows her to tell his patients where to get the truth about vaccines. It’s a win win situation fro her and his patients.

          • shay simmons

            Nice back-pedal.

          • Ron Roy

            Where did I back peddle?

          • shay simmons

            Does he or does he not comply with the law by giving the mandated information to his patients?

          • FallsAngel

            If he’s not giving out the VIS statements with each vaccine, he’s breaking the law.

          • Ron Roy

            He gives out the VIS statement but it’s the vaccine package inserts that they should see. That’s why my step daughter advises those who even remotely question vaccines to do more research.I told her to give them my phone number and gave her the links, which I forgot she already had, to Whale/ Vaccine and Vaccine Liberation.

          • FallsAngel

            OMG! Scopie’s Law, Roy, Scopie’s Law!

          • JoeFarmer

            I’ll take, “Because she doesn’t exist” for $500, Alex!

          • Neo

            Nothing but Pharma propaganda!

          • doomsday

            Nice vaccine fallacy swerve you got there angle. So 40 years vaccinating babies got to you did it, ever wonder how many you killed during that jabbing spree?

          • Ron Roy

            Her conscience is totally dead. Josef Mengele would be proud.

          • nuff said

            simply, fatally flawed logic…. please don’t pander……

          • nancy nelson

            how do they put children at risk if they are vaccinated. go drink the coolaide

          • shay simmons
          • Ron Roy

            That still doesn’t answer the question of how can an unvaccinated person be a threat to a vaccinate one?

          • Bored Now

            Well actually it does…

            For example the first point explains that unvaccinated folk are a threat to vaccinated folk because they are — in the case of genetically stable human reservoir diseases — constantly perpetuating an environment where a vaccines are necessary. They are responsible for creating a threatening environment.

            The seventh point is similar. Since not every vaccine is perfectly effective but the vast majority when used widely would result in the replication factor dropping to less than one. Not vaccinating increases the risk of contracting the disease if the vaccine should fail. So again it’s only people who refuse to vaccinate which create this threat to people who vaccines have failed.

          • shay simmons

            It does if you can read, Ron.

          • Karen

            glad u brought up about the polio vaccine..when my children were young, I refused to give them the polio vaccine at first(for 2 yrs)..as u stated, polio at that time had been completely eradicated and the only cases of polio whatsoever were from the polio vaccine..now if it had been from a dead virus, there would not have been any problem..but they were from a live virus..you could request the vaccine be from a dead virus, but it was very hard to get and very expensive. after 2 yrs of fighting the doctors,etc, I gave in and gave them the vaccine(reluctantly)..but, of course, now it is different since we now have polio back in the US because of the illegals coming in from other countries that are bringing it along with other diseases into our country…now bk to the issue of the flu vaccine..what a lot of ppl do not realize is that the vaccine we use this year was made from last yr’s flu virus. and the flu virus mutates every year..so the vaccine u get is for the flu from last yr and will only help slightly with this yr’s virus..I have a suppressed immune system and with all of the possible side affects from the vaccine and it only helping minimally, I will not get it myself.

          • Joey Kroll

            Yeah keep telling yourself that while children and elderly die from the flu you fucking moron lmao. Just because you dont see it happen doesnt mean it doesnt. You dont hear about old people dying of the flu because no one cares its not big news its normal. Look at how many flu related deaths there are worldwide. Compare it to previous years before all these fucking idiots against vaccines came about.

          • nick quinlan

            You are a delusional imbecile

          • Neo

            Poor Joey has been brain damaged from his shots.
            No Joey…its actually the vaccines that are killing and damaging children and elders.
            I think you need to detox all those chemicals that have fried your little brain.
            Your delusional.
            Time for your meds Joey.

          • dany

            and I wonder how many people that have cancer, is due to all the ‘preventative’ procedures that are done, such as x-rays, etc.

          • Momsanto

            The elderly and the children up to 2 do not benefit in any way from the vaccine because they do not create a strong enough immune response to be helpful. Yet who do they recommend get them?? The elderly and babies. But they don’t tell people that do they….nope, I don’t think it’s widespread news…nada…

          • David Bartleson

            7 out of the 8 deaths at the point of writing this article HAD received the flu shot. Moron. Consider that.

          • ciaparker2

            My father was paralyzed for the last three years of his life by a flu vaccine. I’ve never gotten the flu vaccine and never gotten it for my daughter. If you stay in bed and drink plenty of fluids, no fever reducers, and take C, Echinacea, Sambucol, and homeopathic remedies as needed (bryonia is my usual flu remedy) and influenzinum, you’re unlikely to have a severe case, and you’ll get partial immunity to future flus.

          • Lynn Duncan Todd

            There is a risk in all medications, including over the counter. If you have any prescriptions look them up, and there are possible side effects to all of them. There is a risk to all surgeries. as well. I want to be well. I don’t want to live my life in fear of things. that could help me.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Considering most of the supposed logic behind vaccination is “herd immunity” and saving that one kid who can’t have vaccines… don’t you think it’s imperative that people be informed of the risk they are taking?”

            The primary benefit of vaccines is to protect the individual. Any added benefit of herd immunity is just an extra thrown in for free.
            The advantages and benefits from vaccines vastly outweigh the possible side effects. That’s why they have been such a success.

          • Ron Roy

            Actually it’s an easy choice if you do your homework. No vaccines for me or my family.

          • ciaparker2

            We’re never getting another one either. There’s a vocational program for the autistic at a local hospital, and my daughter’s case manager at school wanted her to be in it next year. I asked if she’d have to get a number of vaccines, the answer was yes, so I said No way. How sadistic of them, to set up the program there. Not their problem when the vaccines do further damage to the already vaccine-disabled.

          • FallsAngel

            That’s your problem, you think that most of the “supposed” (your word) logic behind vaccines is herd immunity. No, most of the logic behind vaccines is personal protection.

          • Brittany Pederson

            Well if your vaccines work so well then what are you afraid of? Herd Immunity IS HALF the argument… protecting those who cannot be vaccinated.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake
          • FallsAngel

            I don’t believe I said I was afraid of anything! Please show me a citation that says “half the argument” for immunization is herd immunity.

            Vaccination is kind of like those safety talks they give on the airplane. You know, where they say “If you are assisting another person, secure your own equipment first”.

          • MYR

            Herd Immunity? Outbreaks are occurring in vaccinated populations!
            If vaccines are working, why are vaccinated people so afraid of the un-vaccinated? Should not the vaccines protect them from the dreaded infections??

          • Susan P

            So, just how big is your financial interested in selling vaccines? You sound just like those big pharma commercials that work to scare people into being vaccinated.

          • Kenneth Burger

            Zero. I have zero financial interest. I have never received a dime of money for anything even remotely related to vaccines. It’s impossible to deal with people like this. You show them facts and then everything is this Big Pharma conspiracy that everyone is in on, doctors, hospitals, parents, everyone. Nevermind that most of the so-called experts who are antivax are hawking supplements.

          • nick quinlan

            What facts? No facts were posted from you, only your opinion

          • jimeckland

            Kenneth: Do vaccines contain Mercury and other dangerous substances?

          • Kenneth Burger

            Does cyanide contain carbon and nitrogen? First, very few vaccines contain mercury. Second, the ones that do contain ethyl mercury, not methyl mercury, which is what you find in the environment. The two are broken down and removed from the body in a completely different manner, and low levels of ethyl mercury are harmless. This is why people without a background in chemistry and microbiology should not try to speak about the subjects. Any person with a medical science background would know this. Hell, anyone who actually cared enough to Google it would know. So much for thorough research, eh?

          • Ron Roy

            Chew on this:Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials
            at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is
            synergistic toxicity – mercury’s enhanced effect when other poisons are
            present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of
            aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking
            effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a
            1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality
            rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain
            aluminum. Mercury on the
            Mind by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

          • shay simmons

            Ah, yes. Donald Miller the AIDS denier.

          • Ron Roy

            Donald Miller and Kary Mullis who received a Nobel Prize in chemistry in 1993, for his invention of the
            polymerase chain reaction and Peter Duesberg who at the age of 36, was awarded tenure at the University of California, Berkeley, and at 49 he was elected to the National Academy of Sciences. He received an Outstanding Investigator Grant (OIG) from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in 1986, and from 1986 to 1987 was a Fogarty Scholar-in-Residence at the NIH laboratories in Bethesda, Maryland and dozens of other scientists. I’d say Donald Miller is in pretty good company. And assuming he was wrong concerning the cause of AIDS does that mean he’s wrong on everything else he says? By that logic it would mean everything Duesberg discovered, and given awards for, is wrong also.

          • shay simmons

            By that logic it would mean everything Duesberg discovered, and given awards for, is wrong also.

            Nope. Credible scientists sometimes go off the rails.

          • JoeFarmer

            “By that logic it would mean…”

            Ron, you wouldn’t know logic if it jumped up, punched you in the nose and took your lunch money.

          • Kenneth Burger

            Donald Miller pulled that information from the research of another supposedly disinterested researcher Boyd Haley, who just coincidentally happened to get smacked with a cease and desist order in 2010 for hawking “supplements” that he claimed could cure or prevent disease. I’d say the credibility of the researcher in that case is questionable at best. And even if it is true, rats aren’t humans. Most successful clinical trials on rats, never make it to humans, because there are significant differences between the two. And indeed, it would seem to be borne out by the overall data, given that even though thimerosol was removed from most vaccines, the autism rate continues to increase. Now, only multidose vials of flu vaccine contain mercury, and most doctors around here at least, do not use multidose vials. They use single dose ones. The rate of other complications has not abated either.

          • ciaparker2

            Ethylmercury is just as dangerous as methlmercury, and mercury in compounds is more dangerous than elemental. Google Mark Noble and Berbacher.

          • Ron Roy

            Hawking supplements? Do you really want to go there?” Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated
            child. If your pediatrician has just 100 fully-vaccinated patients
            turning 2 this year, that’s $40,000. Yes, Blue Cross Blue Shield
            pays your doctor a $40,000 bonus for fully vaccinating 100 patients
            under the age of 2. If your doctor manages to fully vaccinate 200
            patients, that bonus jumps to $80,000. ”https://wellnessandequality.com/2016/06/20/how-much-money-do-pediatricians-really-make-from-vaccines/

          • Mike Stevens

            And how much are you paid by Pharma to advocate against vaccines, Susan?

          • ciaparker2

            Mike, you know that EVERYONE admits that the flu vaccine is very ineffective, and only possibly protects a small percentage of those who get the vaccine. And it not infrequently causes severe reactions, up to and including lifelong paralysis and death. Aren’t there other vaccines more worthy of your defense?

          • Mike Stevens

            1. Define “Very ineffective” wrt a therapeutic intervention, be it vaccine, drug treatment, homeopathy, whatever.
            Is it a) 5% effective, b) 10% effective, c) 20% effective, or d) some other figure?

            2. Define “not infrequently”. This sounds like you mean something that happens commonly.
            In quantitative terms, would this mean a) 50-70%, b) 70% plus?

            Then provide citations backing up your numbers, using published scientific sources please.
            Otherwise you are just voicing your highly suspect opinion, without any evidence.

          • ciaparker2

            From ABC: The flu vaccine used this year in Australia — which has the same composition as the vaccine used in the U.S. — was only 10 percent effective, according to a preliminary estimate, at preventing the strain of the virus that predominantly circulated during the country’s flu season,an international team of medical experts wrote in a perspective published today in The New England Journal of Medicine.

          • Mike Stevens

            That 10% was just for H3N2 strain, Cia.
            I gave you the original paper showing 33% effectiveness overall.

          • ciaparker2

            You’d take the chance of paralysis etc. for only 33% effectiveness? I’m so glad I never have, nor has C. I wish my father hadn’t.

          • Mike Stevens

            The chance of paralysis is 1:100,000 vaccine doses, which is 18 times lower than the risks of paralysis with the flu.

            So rationally, vaccine is far preferable, even with its current low effectiveness (33%)

          • ciaparker2

            You can’t possibly really believe that. Rationally, it’s better to just get the flu, every time. And greatly reduce your cancer risk for the next five years.

            https://www.focusforhealth.org/the-flu-shot-and-guillain-barre/

            Blood and Lymphatic System
            Disorders: Thrombocytopenia, lymphadenopathy

            • Immune System Disorders: Anaphylaxis, other allergic/hypersensitivity reactions

            (including urticaria, angioedema)

            • Eye Disorders: Ocular hyperemia

            • Nervous System Disorders: Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), convulsions, febrile

            convulsions, myelitis (including encephalomyelitis and
            transverse myelitis), facial

            palsy (Bell’s palsy), optic neuritis/neuropathy, brachial
            neuritis, syncope (shortly after

            vaccination), dizziness, paresthesia

            • Vascular Disorders: Vasculitis, vasodilatation/flushing

            • Respiratory, Thoracic and
            Mediastinal Disorders: Dyspnea, pharyngitis, rhinitis, cough,

            wheezing, throat tightness

            • Skin and Subcutaneous Tissue
            Disorders: Stevens-Johnson syndrome

            • General Disorders and
            Administration Site Conditions:
            Pruritus, asthenia/fatigue, pain in

            extremities, chest pain

            • Gastrointestinal Disorders: Vomiting

            Fluzone Quadrivalent

          • ciaparker2

            Look at the article linked:

            “In the last 15 years, there were 1,117 accounts of Guillain–Barré reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). It is estimated that only between 1 and 10 percent of all adverse reactions are actually registered with VAERS.”
            She describes several people she knew personally who had reacted to the flu vaccine with paralysis. Like my father. And look at the comments: MANY people describing their own friends and relatives reacting to the flu vaccine with paralysis. Or Lisa Marks Smith, one of the vanishingly few victims who won in Vaccine Court for being paralyzed by a flu vaccine for several years.
            So. Are the vaccine companies going to admit how often their products paralyze or kill, or are they going to lie?
            Did you see in the article at the top about how many people who died of flu pneumonia had GOTTEN the shot? Maybe caused myocarditis as in the case of Kaylynne Matten?
            If you just go ahead and get the flu, your immune system becomes stronger and better able to take on future challenges.

          • Mike Stevens

            Of course I can believe it. In fact the risk is even lower than I stated above.
            This is what the studies tell us. There is no reason to lie about this, so please don’t.

            Influenza as a cause of GBS:
            https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/1/48/290409

            Rate of GBS post influenza vaccine is 3 per million
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880265/

            No increase in GBS post vaccine, maximum possible limit for any increase is 3 per million shots:
            http://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d3908

            Only 2 of 9 studies show a tiny increase in rate of GBS post vaccination.
            http://www.who.int/immunization/sage/Sejvar_GBS_influenza_2slides_page.pdf

            Review indicating maximum increase risk of 1 case per million flu vaccine shots:
            https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4614-7438-8_17

            I don’t know why you deny the facts, Cia.

          • ciaparker2

            I don’t know why you PRETEND to believe the vaccine companies take on it, when your lying eyes are telling you the contrary.

          • Mike Stevens

            I don’t know why you are obsessed by pharma companies, Cia.
            All these papers were written by independent researchers.

            But I do realise your cognitive dissonance wil always win through. After all, it is easier for your conscience to remain in denial of the facts if it assumes everything ever written about medicine was written by “a liar”.

          • Mike Stevens

            So you say 10% is a benchmark for “very ineffective”.
            Thanks, I’ll remind you of that the next time you push vitamins or homeopathy.

            Can you now state what you call “nor infrequently”, for the record please?

          • Susan P

            That is about the dumbest comment I have ever seen. WHY would pharma pay anyone to stop the sale of their products?

          • shay simmons

            Because disease costs more than prevention.

          • Susan P

            Are you really doubling down on stupid? Big Pharma is in business to make money. The sicker people are the more they make. Pharma would NEVER pay someone to oppose the purchase of their products. That makes no sense whatsoever.

          • shay simmons

            And Big Insurance is in business to save money.

          • JoeFarmer

            It really is amazing how these anti-vax dimwits can’t grasp simple concepts. Makes you wonder how they function from day-to-day.

          • shay simmons

            Seriously. Do they think those statements they get with “You may owe your provider $xxx” come from Merck or Sanofi?

          • ScienceMonkey

            1918.

            I don’t think anyone else on this board will get it, but I almost spit I laughed so hard.

          • Momsanto

            youre right, you didn’t say ONE THOUSAND, you said THREE to SIX THOUSAND. And now that we pay so much for healthcare, I guess that should take care of it. Hmmm, not rare.

          • Kenneth Burger

            You can’t even read, and yet you’re trying to lecture me on vaccine effectiveness? Take a class on reading comprehension, then come back and talk to me.

          • Mike Stevens

            Welcome to the antivax world, where comprehension, logic and reason didn’t just fly out the window, they didn’t even exist in the first place!

          • Becky Ruths

            Tell that to the families who have GBS.

          • Kenneth Burger

            What part of 145-290 cases out of 3,000 to 6,000 per year do you not understand? With that kind of reasoning, I guess people shouldn’t wear seatbelts or motorcycle helmets, because there have been isolated instances where both have killed people. And people shouldn’t drive cars either, because lots of people die in car accidents every year (1 in 5,000 chance of dying in a car accident vs. 1 in a million of contracting a disease with a 10% mortality rate). Yet you don’t see people saying, “ZOMG let’s stop driving cars, they’re so dangerous!” There’s inherent risk with nearly any activity or procedure. Some things are riskier than others. Getting a vaccine is a lot less risky than driving a car, yet I’m fairly certain you do that.

          • ciaparker2

            Like my father, paralyzed for the last three years of his life by a flu vaccine. I had both arms paralyzed for several days starting the day I got a tetanus booster when I was 19. I was later diagnosed with sometimes paralyzing MS, caused by all the mercury I had gotten in nine DPTs or dTs.

          • David Bartleson

            What about the fact that 7 out of 8 people that died had received the flu shot? So it not just GBS or any number of other reactions. It’s the fact that it’s at the very least not effective or at worst contributing to deaths. Because as it would appear you are 7 times more likely to die if you’ve received the shot.

          • Kenneth Burger

            Yet again another antivaxxer proving he has no idea how statistical analysis works. You see, in order to prove that a flu vaccine is actually contributing to deaths, you would need to perform a study of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people in a blind study whereby some are given the vaccine and some are given placebos. Obviously you cannot do this, because it would be medically unethical. This is the danger of mixing up correlation vs causation and is a perfect example of how antivaxxers screw things up royally. This person right here is a living walking example of someone who thinks he knows everything, but in reality, his lack of education in statistical analysis leads to wildly inaccurate claims.

            See, if you read the articles on those 7 of 8 people, all of them were between the ages of 70 to 92 and ALL of the had conditions that made them particularly susceptible to influenza complications. So your assertion that the vaccine contributed to their deaths is spurious at best and without any foundation. Vaccines only work if you have a functioning immune system. It doesn’t have to be functioning perfectly, or even all that great, but it does have to be at least somewhat functional. People who are that age and who have conditions that leave the susceptible, usually don’t. So you have two problems here, one is that the sample size is too small. Eight people would never be considered a suitable sample size for any study. Also, your dataset isn’t random. In fact, it’s the opposite of random. It is actually heavily biased if you’re trying to determine overall vaccine efficacy for one, or if you’re trying to determine whether the flu virus contributes to deaths, and this will lead to all sorts of problems in any regression model you run, whereby the results will be completely useless, because your results are going to be off by some unknown amount. The data isn’t random because 1) people in that age group are more likely to die from influenza regardless of vaccination than the rest of the population, and 2) people in that age group are more likely to receive a flu vaccine than the rest of the population. So you’re going to have massively skewed data because of both those variables combined.

            There’s a reason that in the science field it is said, “The plural of anecdote is not data.” Because isolated incidents don’t prove a single damn thing… EVER. Unless you have a properly designed study performed, you cannot make the claims you’re trying to make. Statistics can be used to show the effectiveness of vaccines overall, but only if those statistics use a sufficiently large and sufficiently randomized dataset. But statistics cannot prove that the flu vaccine causes deaths, because it would be impossible to separate out the actual cause of death without a blind study. You’d essentially have to show that people who have similar health statuses fared worse after receiving a vaccine than those who didn’t, and the only way to do that is to choose two groups of people and give one vaccines and the other a placebo and see what the results are. But as I explained, you can’t ethically do that.

          • Mike Stevens

            Perhaps you could tell us how many people there were who had the vaccine, and so they didn’t get flu and didn’t die?

          • ciaparker2

            Perhaps you could supply the proof that they WOULD have gotten a severe or fatal case of the flu if they had not gotten the vaccine.

          • FallsAngel

            The paralysis from GBS is usually temporary, as well.

          • http://TheConqueringMom.som Katharine Trauger

            In our family, the % was far higher. Among about 55 people, many of them not flu vaxxed at all, two have contracted GB, one of whom died from it. I believe your stats are skewered.

          • Amber Fath

            Okay, Kenneth, let’s look at it this way. We have to take the entire population as a whole, not just the vaccinated group, and look at actual risk of mortality from influenza. We have a current total US population is 323.1 million. The numbers like “36,000 total deaths,” are LARGELY inflated. If this were true, we wouldn’t hear numbers in single, MAYBE double digits when states are tracking weekly flu deaths, even in epidemic years. Typically there are roughly 500 total confirmed influenza deaths in the US each year. What the CDC does is track “P&I” deaths, or deaths from influenza AND pneumonia of ALL causes. Most of these deaths are NOT confirmed cases, or even suspected cases of influenza. They justify this saying that the percentage of overall cause of death due to pneumonia goes up during the flu season, so therefore it must be related to the flu. Here’s a great example of how you were saying “correlation does not equal causation.” Pneumonia is ALWAYS more common in winter, and influenza is not the most common cause. (Just like you’re saying the vaccine isn’t the most common cause of GBS). They don’t distinguish pneumonia cases due to HIV/AIDS, Cancer/chemotherapy (more likely in winter due to cold air and about 10,000 different non-influenza viruses), all of the viruses and bacteria that are NOT the flu, falls (more common in the winter, leading to being confined to a bed, making pneumonia more likely in the elderly), and about a dozen other potential causes. Lumping them together is a fear mongering tactic and hugely unethical. If 36,000 people died of influenza each year, you don’t think we would ALL know a huge amount of people who died this way? They found a way to lump influenza in with one of the leading causes of death, and capitalize on this. So, if we take the much more accurate 500 deaths per year, and hey, let’s even double it! And compare it to the US population, we get the actual risk of mortality from the flu each year as a whole. The risk is 0.000312%. Absolutely negligible.

            The reason that the GBS due to Influenza vaccine cases are as low as you are saying is NOT that they aren’t caused by the vaccine, but because it is nearly impossible to get a doctor to document or report it as a vaccine reaction. Have you ever tried to have a doctor confirm a CLEAR vaccine injury? I have! And this was back when I was still pro-vax. They will do just about anything to deny it, deflect, or just straight up dismiss it. Vaccines are always safe, right?? I personally know about a dozen people who have had GBS immediately following a flu vaccine. I don’t know anyone who has died of influenza. Most people don’t.

            One of the main studies people use to cite the “1-2 per million” increase is from the early 90s. They used VAERS surveillance data (which is estimated to be between 1-10% of actual adverse events). They compared the incidence of GBS after the flu vaccine to a control. What was the control, you ask? TDaP recipients. (Also linked to GBS). There was no true control used. This was also prior to the quadravalent flu vaccine being used, which has been linked to an increase incidence of adverse events. They’ve even positively linked the vaccine to an increased risk of miscarriage, but the CDC continues to promote the shot during all trimesters, even though before the Quad vaccine was used, and there was no established link to miscarriage, they only administered it during the 3rd trimester.

            And aside from GBS there are MANY other side effects from the flu vaccine. I have also personally witnessed 8 small children develop what was diagnosed as “cellulitis” after the flu vaccine.

            All of the information you have appears to be furnished by the CDC. They do have helpful data, but you also have to be able to analyze and interpret that data critically. Look at the fine print, the methods, etc…

            Also, can we truly put our health and lives in our hands of an organization whose members hold a large amount of vaccine ingredient patents, and have a personal and financial vested interest in ensuring that vaccines are never found to be unsafe, or ineffective? That conflict of interest doesn’t concern you? The very fact that this is apparently completely legal should concern you. In any other area of the government, this type of clear conflict and lack of objectivity would be seen as greatly unethical. But when it comes to vaccines, it seems like anything goes.

            We also have seen a GIANT uptick in the distribution of the flu vaccine in recent years, yet each year the flu seems to worsen. It used to only be given to high risk populations, and we never had nationwide scares like this. Since it’s widespread use, the media and CDC have continued to use scare tactics to get more people to vaccinate. So, either the vaccines don’t work, and the flu continues to worsen. Or, the flu isn’t actially worsening at all, and the pharma paid media has to continue to push the narrative.

          • nuff said

            list out your source on these numbers that does not come from, or was paid for by a pharmaceutical company…..

          • Kenneth Burger

            If you look further down, you’ll see where I clarified this post that
            the actual number of vaccinated people per year is around 145 million. I
            just used 50 million as an example, because it was smaller and easier
            to work with. The percentages were calculated using a rate of 1-2
            additional GBS cases per one million, as state herein:
            https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/guillainbarre.htm

            The mortality rate of influenza of .0014% is taken from CDC statistics here https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm

            The
            efficacy rate on average for the flu vaccine has actually been 40.8%
            over the last 13 years as calculated from here
            https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectiveness-studies.htm

            GBS
            mortality statistics were from here
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23576619 and here
            http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/guillain-barre-syndrome/en/
            and I got the recovery rate from here
            https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9-Syndrome-Fact-Sheet

          • Duncan Woodward

            Wasting your breath … antivaxers , like religious zealots and flat earthers … are simply not interested in facts. They are driven by irrational emotional insecurities that underpin idiocy.
            Just let natural selection take its course …

          • Lori Northrop

            I don’t know all the numbers and percentages…I do know I have had the flu shot the last 14 years and this is the first year I got the flu. I have heard the risks and believe the benefits outweigh the risks.

          • Mike Stevens

            That is up to 6,000 cases of GBS paralysis from all causes, not just from vaccines.
            The ones due to vaccines number in the low hundreds.
            Natural influenza will cause GBS too. It is 18 times more common after flu than after the vaccine for flu.

          • Ron Roy

            No it isn’t.

          • doomsday

            Kenny is a vaccine fallacy maroon

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Rare =/= no big deal.

          • 143jeanne

            Not changing subject but, this sounds like the gun issue. A shooting happens and instantly “Gun control ” is screamed.”But if we can save one life!”. With this situation “only 3k-6k” measly lives are lost.What are your sources of stats? Are you making stuff up?

          • Denise DeCock

            Thank you. Somebody who is actually informed.

          • Brittany Pederson

            It’s interesting you think the CDC shill is informed, but those of us reading non-biased science, and making the decisions that are right for ourselves are not informed? I think you need to rethink your definition of “informed” because I for one do not want to live in a world where only the Government’s narrative is correct.

          • Kenneth Burger

            Do you have a medical degree? Biology? Chemistry? Statistical analysis? Those articles are written for people who have a background in those areas. If you don’t have that background, you are very likely misinterpreting the data and conclusions. It’s easy to do. Those are complex studies, and I doubt you understand the limitations of the datasets and methodologies used, or how to recognize outliers.

          • nick quinlan

            You sure sound like a paid pharmaceutical spokesman. Misinterpreting data? You are a liar

          • Kenneth Burger

            Have you ever been diagnosed with paranoid delusions? Maybe you should see someone about that. I know, it’s all one big conspiracy and everyone is in on it. I can make a tin foil hat for you if you like. Gotta love conspiracy theorists. Everyone who presents contrary data is a paid shill. You don’t understand science and statistical analysis, so you just shout, “ZOMG PAID SHILL!!! HE’S BIG PHARMA OR DA EVIL GUBMINT!!!!!1111oneonecos(0)”

          • Mike Stevens

            He sounds like a well informed individual with knowledge about science, vaccines and risk analysis.
            Of course, to you ignorant antivaxers, who like to get all your medical information from unqualified quacks selling supplements online, that is just a sign that he must be “a liar”.

          • ciaparker2

            Takes one to know one, right?

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            He sounds kind be has a clue to me. People without advanced degrees in science or medicine are unlikely to properly interpret primary research. That’s why it takes so many years to get through med school / grad school and the decade+ of training that follows. Dunning-Kruger at its finest.

          • JoeFarmer

            Nick Quinlan could go on Jeopardy against a box of rocks and a bag of hammers and lose.

          • Ron Roy

            ”That’s why it takes so many years to get through med school / grad
            school and the decade+ of training AND INDOCTRINATION into the medical fallacy that the human body function on drugs and vaccines have contributed to the decline of diseases.” FTFY

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            *yawn*

          • Matthew Steele

            Where did you get the ‘statistic’ that the efficacy rate of the flu vaccine is, conservatively, 33%???

          • Kenneth Burger

            CDC average over the last 13 years is 40.8% https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectiveness-studies.htm
            I wanted to be a bit more conservative with it though, because I think this year’s is going to drag it down a bit – not that much, but a bit.

          • Susan M. VerHalen

            The best rate the flu shot really has is about 10 % at best! Not worth all the side effects and getting exposed to worse viruses. The shot is rarely effective for the strains that are currently going around, because the viruses mutate.

          • Mike Stevens

            “The best rate the flu shot really has is about 10 % at best!”

            Not so, that is just for one strain.
            Overall effectiveness was 33% in Australia.
            http://eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2017.22.43.17-00707

          • Ron Roy

            And that 10% is only 10% of the 3% who would have gotten the flu.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            So wrong. That is only against the A strain.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Where did you get the ‘statistic’ that the efficacy rate of the flu vaccine is, conservatively, 33%???”

            In general, flu vaccine efficacy runs at around 50%.

            No-one knows yet exactly how effective this season’s vaccine will be, but the forecast is that it will be low, because studies on the same vaccine in the southern hemisphere winter flu season showed overall efficacy of 33%.

            I presume that is where the stat comes from.
            http://eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2017.22.43.17-00707

            VE estimates are shown in Table 2. Overall VE was 33% (95%CI: 17 to 46). This estimate appeared to be skewed by the very low estimate for A(H3), which was 10% (95%CI: -16 to 31), whereas estimates were higher for A(H1)pdm09 (VE: 50%; 95%CI: 8 to 74) and B (VE: 57%; 95%CI: 41 to 69). VE for A(H3) 3C.2a viruses was 5% (95%CI: -51 to 40), while the estimate for 3C.2a1 was 19% (95%CI: -42 to 55). For patients vaccinated in the 2016 season, VE for A(H3) was 3–4% regardless of whether they were also vaccinated in 2017. In contrast, the highest VE point estimates for influenza B were observed among those vaccinated in both 2016 and 2017.

          • Ron Roy

            ”Do you have a medical degree? Biology? Chemistry? Statistical analysis?” Why does anyone have to be miseducated by a biased establishment in order to know something?

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Hahahahahahahahahahahah. Breathe. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Awww, did you flunk out of med school, and you’re still bitter? Grow the f up.

          • JoeFarmer

            Ron Roy: “My anti-knowledge is a good as your knowledge! So there!” Poor guy couldn’t find water if he fell out of a boat.

          • Ron Roy

            You realize of course that your response is like that of a 6 year old. And you claim to have a PhD. In you case it really does mean piled higher and deeper.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            So salty. I love it.

          • JoeFarmer

            Ron Roy, Dunning Kruger poster child!

          • Kenneth Burger

            It’s not so much that, as much as it is that I know of very few people that have an in depth understanding of biology, chemistry (organic and inorganic), microbiology, and statistical analysis who do not have degrees in at least one of those subjects. See, you can’t just go and read a study and interpret it using “common sense”. All of the subjects I’ve listed above are interconnected and unless you understand the specific biological and chemical processes involved in vaccinations at an in depth level, you cannot understand the meaning of these studies. Go attend a lecture on quantum physics and see how much of it you understand. While the studies you’re looking at are in somewhat plainer language, the numbers involved may or may not have meaning, depending on whether the procedures used in the testing actually mimic processes in the body, or whether the kind of study done actually supports the conclusion asserted. Different methodologies have different weaknesses, and many a researcher has overreached by using types of studies that cannot actually be used to prove up what they conclude, usually because of inherent sampling errors and wild variables.

          • Bored Now

            Well think what the world would be like if it were run by people like yourself? Imagine such a world of mass-ignorance, religious thinking and anti-intellectualism.

            Science would be dictated by pre-existing prejudices not evidence. Competing ideas would be dismissed by unsubstantiated claims of bias.

            Congratulations Ron, you are a living argument for getting as much schooling as possible.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            A trumpian dystopia, to be sure.

          • Bored Now

            It would make Idiocracy look like RAND Corporation.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            That made me laugh!

          • JoeFarmer

            “It would make Idiocracy look like RAND Corporation.”

            That is funnier than hell yet frightening at the same time.

          • Bored Now

            I recently watched a vloger talk about how Idiocracy is in some ways better than things are now. In the movie people actually recognized that they were dumb and looked to “the smartest man in the world” to fix the problem. Today we have the problem that people think they far, far know more than they actually do. I mean Ron Roy’s post was effectively “Why do I need to actually go to school for anything before I act like I know anything close to those who did?”

            If someone asked me to name the two forces most likely to destroy the world. They would be “undeserved certainty” and “noble intent”.

          • Ron Roy

            Johnny I remember a television program that consisted of pitting amateurs, in various fields, against a professional in the same field. Both participants were under separate glass domes, so they could not hear the audience, on a stage and they would then take turns in asking question, in their field, to try and stump each other. The program, according to what I read in the TV Guide, was forced off the air after 16 episodes because in every single case the amateur beat the professional. So yes it would be a better world especially when it comes to the sciences that are controlled by the drug industry. After learning the basics in English and math anyone can learn anything from whatever source they chose. Every science had a beginning and those who were responsible didn’t have a previous education in that science because they were the initiators of that science. No one taught Tesla how to build the two phase motor it was his idea. I could post thousands of examples but you would do your best to try and negate them.

          • Bored Now

            I can always count on you for entertainment Ron.

            pitting amateurs, in various fields, against a professional in the same field.

            So…what exactly? Therefore every amateur is better than every professional? If that’s not your premise here then, even if what you said was true. It doesn’t make the point that people like yourself have any utility in any scientific field.

            So, I guess by your own standard you’ve demonstrated that you aren’t even an amateur in logic. That’s kind of cool. Thanks. 🙂

            After learning the basics in English and math anyone can learn anything from whatever source they chose.

            Well presuming you have the basics in math (which you don’t but I’m sure you think you do). How about a bet? Say $2000 USD? On your ability to learn a mathematical sub-specialty of my choosing sufficient to pass an exam from a credible source (e.g. have a professor of a university agree to proctor a combinatorics exam for the purpose of challenging his course – Universities have fee schedules for setting these up. ). Typical university courses are four months. So that should be plenty of time. Right?

            We can work out the details here….or we would if it wasn’t clear you’d weasel out.

            No one taught Tesla how to build the two phase motor it was his idea

            As usual you are intellectually crippled. Tesla wasn’t self-taught he was an industrious student until his third year. So yes he was taught. He was beat to this idea by Ferraris, a university graduate…so maybe he should have completed his education?

            I could post thousands of examples

            …and if you had some basic math you would realize that makes my point more than yours. It’s not the thousands who happen to be outstanding at some subject despite being uneducated. It’s the billions who require education to even be adequate.

            but you would do your best to try and negate them.

            I’m not negating Tesla’s achievements I’m just pointing out the truth about it. You’re usually in such a rush to shoehorn something into your thesis you don’t really care if you’re effectively lying. Another reason why people like yourself would be pretty bad for the sciences.

            There are definitely uneducated people who surpass great people in their fields. Ramanujan is the obvious example. However they are the extreme exception rather than the rule.

            You may now commence your weaseling!! 🙂

          • Ron Roy

            Well 16 out of 16 times you tell me.

          • Bored Now

            Well 16 out of 16 times you tell me.

            As usual your English is missing something. In this case is another sentence or clause.

          • nick quinlan

            Funny stuff

          • Ron Roy

            No not informed. He’s one of many shills who have just showed up that are paid by one or another arm of the Medical crime syndicate to support their poisons oops I mean vaccines.

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian
          • AutismDadd

            Its reported in the media tell them to stop the fake news

          • Momsanto

            so if 3000 to 6000 get GBS per year, pretty soon all the sheeple that get the flu vaccine that is admittedly only 10 percent effective in the first place, will be paralyzed because sooner or later with those stats they all will get it. And that would not be rare then, it would be the norm.

          • Kenneth Burger

            Ok, let me help you, because you apparently have a problem with reading comprehension. There are a total of 3,000-6,000 cases of GBS per year, from ALL causes. Influenza vaccinations only account for approximately 1-2 per million doses given. I originally used a figure of 50 million because it’s easier to work with smaller numbers and because I was working purely with percentages, so as long as everything’s on the same scale, there’s no error. In reality, about 145 million doses are given in the US each year (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/vaccinesupply.htm), so out of the 3-6k cases of GBS per year, 145-290 of those cases can be attributed to the flu vaccine. Which only reinforces my point that the vast majority of cases of GBS are not vaccine related. In fact, most cases of GBS don’t have a traceable cause. Many are caused by surgeries, some are caused by viruses (including the influenza virus). Some are caused by bacterial infections, as well. And the flu vaccine is not admittedly only 10% effective. Over the last 13 years, it has been approximately 40.8% effective. This year, it’s estimated to be anywhere between 10-32% effective.

          • Lynn Duncan Todd

            Is it actually the vaccine or complications from the flu? Are the people who have an allergy to eggs

          • Mike Stevens

            I salute your efforts, Ken.
            It is very hard to keep leading these horses to water, only for them to say they don’t know what it is for.

          • Kricket

            If your loved one is in that 3 to 6 thousand, one doesn’t consider it “rare.”

          • Kenneth Burger

            For Christ’s sake, can anyone read today? And these are our supposed expert researchers here who studied everything there is to know about vaccines and know more than medical professionals.

            3 to 6 thousand is from ALL causes. Influenza vaccine counts for 145 to 290 of them, roughly. That’s it. If your loved one dies of complications of the flu, you wouldn’t consider that rare either. That’s why science is objective and evidence-based, not based on emotions of people who ended up with the short straw.

          • Mike Stevens

            But I guess if your loved one is among the 35,000 who will die of flu, that counts as “very rare”?

          • Mike Stevens

            Unfortunately it’s what he does.

          • nuff said

            rather then pontificate upon your understanding, produce some facts that adverse reactions to vaccines are “rare”… or, next step, produce some scientific, peer review studies that show flu vaccines are “effective”… most are 50% or less… and please, keep ignoring the people in these comments that have first hand data, that is, their loved one died after taking the vaccine… keep ignoring that it is now one in thirty six children that are terribly afflicted by autism, or that ‘it has been know for several decades that Alzheimer’s is caused by AL adjuvants in vaccines”…….

          • Kenneth Burger

            I never said “adverse reactions” were rare. I said GBS from vaccines was extremely rare and encephalitis from it was even rarer. Why do most antivaxxers seem to have so much of a problem with reading comprehension lately? Where did I claim that the flu vaccine had an efficacy of more than 50%? In fact, in one of my other posts, I estimated it conservatively at 33%, but in reality, it has averaged 40.8% over the last 13 years. And yes, I will keep ignoring people with first hand data, because anecdotes are not data. I would expect most people who are antivaccination to be people who either are or know someone who suffered what they perceived to be a vaccine-related injury (whether they actually did or not). In other words, using the data set of people on this forum who are antivax is not even close to random and is worthless for any kind of statistical analysis. Again, the plural of anecdote is not data.

          • doomsday

            Uh, if you are pretending to quote medical peer review according to the editors of the BMJ and Lancet most of what is published is utter nonsense or plain wrong. Looks like you have posted both Kenny.

          • Kenneth Burger
          • nancy nelson

            Kenneth, good for you…..are you reading a script from big Pharma? You are doing nothing to help them but you are charging them money, I love it. Keep posting dude.

          • Kenneth Burger

            Are you familiar with paranoia with delusions, because you seem to be suffering from it. I receive nothing from any pharmaceutical company. Oh, but of course, anyone that provides data, facts, and statistics that you don’t agree with is in on the great big government conspiracy. I don’t know why I bother dealing with mentally ill people on here, because there’s no way to change their minds. These people really are this insane.

          • shay simmons
          • Ron Roy

            $cientific Con-$en$u$ is more like it.

          • shay simmons

            Evidence, Ron. An alien concept to you, granted.

          • Keith Pascucci

            SIRVA is very real!

        • CarolynAllen

          I get the flu shot and (knock on wood) I didn’t get sick after any of them..Year after year..

          • AutismDadd

            And your actual evidence of exposure year after year is what?

        • dave

          yea,, its rare, its less than 1 in 1,000,000 rare… so stop with the purely emotional b.s. and ZERO facts to back it up..

          • AutismDadd

            Seems every sock puppet knows the 1 in 1,000,000. But now tell us how that number is accurate with all the denial and arbitrary definitions concocted by the industry and agencies like CDC. In their role they can call adverse reactions coincidences. So tell us about science and its relationship to coincidences.

      • Alftie Lederle

        Look the flu shot is just that. My late husband got his first flu shot the same year he died. My youngest daughter has gotten the flu shot for around 10 to 12 years now. She has many health problems over those years and has a child that is mildly autistic and one that has ADHD our family has not had any of those problem before. This year my oldest daughter got the flu shot and has been I’ll off an on for the last month and a half. I have never had the flu shot and had a small case of the flu once in my life. Many more of my family members have had the flu shot I don’t think any has died yet but that could have been the reason my husband died at the age of 53. Do as you like but I will never willingly take the flu shot. If it becomes mandatory I will not get it. So you see many of my friends and family have had if nothing else bad side effects and that many in a small area to me says that the flu shot is dangerous.

        • pisces mom

          53! How awful. So sorry. What was the ultimate cause of death? heart?

          • Alftie Lederle

            Because he was under doctors care they didn’t check or say way he died. I was in shock so i didn’t demand answers. When I finally thought about it, it was to late he had been cremated.

        • Toren Hoffmire

          It ever becomes mandatory I’m on the next flight out of the country. Population control seems to be becoming more of an agenda than a conspiracy theory.

          • Mike Stevens

            “It ever becomes mandatory I’m on the next flight out of the country”
            May I suggest a country which has precious little vaccination as your final destination? I mean. you wouldn’t want to risk getting some vaccine side effect, would you? Far better to remain vulnerable to everything they have going…
            Maybe try Somalia, or Afghanistan?

          • FallsAngel

            Of the two, Afghanistan would be best. They still have wild polio there!

      • http://TheConqueringMom.som Katharine Trauger

        Guillain-Barre not only can, but very often does recur, each time worse than the time before. It is often fatal, eventually.

      • mustangchar

        My friend acquired Guillain-Barre syndrome after taking a flu shot over 8 yrs ago. She was a slave to wkly infusions because she was so paralyzed or she couldn’t even walk or use her arms without them. How sad!! She fought that for yrs & finally died. I’m so sad about that & seen 1st hand what she went thru’. I lost my friend who was so active & constantly on the go from the moment she got the GBS because she never ever functioned fully after that. She tried everything so for me NEVER EVER would I take a flu shot. When I was in the hospital once the dismissing MD asked me if I wanted the flu shot. Told him No. He told me he would never take one again either so I pushed for his reason why. He then shared w/me that his arm was paralyzed for 2 wks after the flu shot & he was concerned he’d never get the use of it back. That was my friends case. She got partial help but nothing fully.

      • nuff said

        your response would be humorous if it weren’t so deadly…. in the late 1970’s, 60 minutes produced a special concerning the biggest hoax ever perpetrated upon the people of the USA, the Swine flu and its vaccine. The data presented showed that more people died from the swine flu shot then from the flu itself. Many succumb to Guillain-Barre “syndrome”, some recovered from it, most did not. It was proven that the CDC knew about this side effect and did nothing but promote the vaccine. I feel for you untimely accident of experiencing gorilla glue upon your eyes, must be excruciating.

        • Kenneth Burger

          The mortality rate of GBS is less than 5%. Residual weakness occurs in 30% of people who have GBS and survive, with another 3% having a relapse subsequent. Because your math skills apparently need help. 5% + 30% + 3% = 38%. And because that last 33% there includes people in the 5% who died (i.e. there’s some double counting), it’s actually less than that. So, let me know when 38% becomes “most”.

      • doomsday

        Nice swerve attempt there Kenny, no one needs a flu shot and your arrogant assumptions about vaccine danger are nebulous

      • mindbomb2000

        I was one of those that had an adverse reaction to a vaccine shot as a kid. I, quite literally, almost died. Guess what? I STILL made the decision to vaccinate my kids because I’m smart enough to know that, while I was very unlucky, the odds are much, much better for survival by being vaccinated. I prefer that my kids outlive me. I appreciate the expertise you and others have shared in this thread.

    • Sandra Brown

      My late husband passed after he got sick after taking flu shot.

      • doomsday

        And I bet they didn’t write that on any paperwork?

        • Sandra Brown

          No. They stated it was from “Natural causes”

          • Ron Roy

            Typical of the medical profession.

          • Mama Mia

            Natural causes is anything other than homicide or suicide. Including a disease state. I’m sorry for your lost, though.

          • Donn Kevin Gobel

            No. Natural causes is not slipping and falling off the cliff. Death from a motor vehicle accident. And none of those are suicide or homicide unless proven otherwise. Also included with that accidental overdosing, paradoxical reactions to medications, anaphylactic reactions to medications or substances, synergetic effects of combined medications, other reactions multiple possible other reactions to medications.

          • Mary S

            I somewhat agree with notable exceptions as Donn Kevin Goble notes. “Natural causes is anything other than homicide or suicide, so it is a challenge to get valid data. Many years ago a heart attack would always have been reported as natural cause and reported as such. (example, was it a heart attack within weeks following cancer treatment.. which one?)

            This is a concern for getting correct data reporting.. ” To get trust from concerned people we need to be able to trust the reporting systems to report without bias.. Depending what her husbands condition was perhaps it would have been prudent to have never given a flu shot and instead work on improving his immune system, and/or perhaps it should have been reported as a possible incident of the flu vaccine.. The issue of trust in vaccines in multi-fold.. and incorrect or false reporting makes the CDC records less than valid.

          • JoAnna Worrell

            Because it was natural, get the facts. Verify, verify, verify

          • DigMed

            We know this is bullshit because when a real doctor fills out the cause of death on a death certificate the term “natural causes” is not going to be on it (or if some quack tried to put it on it would be rejected by any medical committee or coroner). In fact, death certificates generally have at least two entries for cause of death. For example, “cardiac arrest due to myocardial infarction” as the immediate cause and “coronary artery disease” as the underlying disease. But the anti-vaxxer morons will believe anything.

          • doomsday

            Dogmed, that is a fine swerve coming from a doctor – you guys choose what to report, based on the fall out from dissing a vaccine and because most of you have no backbone, it’s not going to be truth from you. Quoting medical peer review is another BS swerve, even the editors of the Lancet and BMJ say that most of what is published is utter nonsense or plain wrong due to funding and selection bias. Liar

          • Moe Rosenhek

            We have a friend that developed Guillaume Barre disease after a flu shot.

          • I. Johnson

            I did also and she died after being paralyzed for 3 weeks. What they are not telling the public also is that if You are 65 or older they impose on you a double dose. That’s why she died. Even the medical staff and the doctor admitted it. They are totally bypassing the law of informed consent!

          • Karen

            This is totally not true. You must sign a consent form for vaccines. You should always read and ask questions about what you are taking. Yes, they do give the elderly the high dose vaccine when they have medical conditions that will weaken their immune system. The doctors should be discussing why they are recommending the high dose vaccine along with possible complications. The consent forms tell you the possible risks. Many people just blindly do what their MD says without reading anything. Bottom line, it’s your body, do as you wish but know the flu claims thousands of people’s lives every year. That’s not new. Also, the multi-dose vials contain small amounts of mercury. Most places give individual doses which are mercury free.

          • Kim ‘Roesner’ Ziesmer

            LOL this response is ludicrous
            “they do give the elderly the high dose vaccine when they have medical conditions that will weaken their immune system.” The flu shot weakens the immune system!! And after convincing all these people to get the flu shots year after year that little bit of mercury you talk about is going to build up – I dislike how the healthcare workers are brainwashed by doctors who believe in this crap!! I am not saying that all vaccines are bad, but the flu shot is one I would NEVER recommend!

          • jojowa

            Elderly are given a weakened dose because their immune system is considered weakened

          • Nonsheep

            UK experts have just admitted that the flu vaccine does nothing for the elderly! Now they are recommending a super flu vaccine, probably to kill them all off and claim their pensions. There is a tradition of doctors doing this kind of thing, it is called the Bristol care pathway! Large dose of morphine in a very short period of time.

          • Todd19731950

            Liverpool Care Pathway, isn’t it? Is that still going on, even after having been exposed? Inpatient hospices can be a dangerous place anymore.

          • ciaparker2

            Fluzone High-Dose vaccine is a preservative-free
            vaccine that is a higher dose of Fluzone for people 65 years of age and older.
            Fluzone High-Dose vaccine generates up to 80% higher antibody levels in the
            body, providing a significantly higher response from the body against the flu.

          • AutismDadd

            So they have found a way to force the body to react even more. Sounds like anaphylaxis. How many are fainting and having seizures?

          • Jan toff

            -https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/qa_fluzone.htm This says the HI-dose flu shot has 4 times as much antigen in it than the standard shot. The studies show it has more side effects.
            The CDC here quotes 2 studies supporting it and say it works 24% better, both are funded by Sanofi Pasteur, the manufacture of the vaccine.
            -http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/04/19/cid.civ261.short
            -http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151010225418.htm These two studies say the Hi- dose not work at all. Who do you trust?
            -http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=486407 This shows flu shot not work in elderly.
            -http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X0600764X This says the same.
            If you don’t like the above data, don’t argue with me, argue with the above doctors, I am just presenting them for you.

          • Bingo Little

            There is no mercury in the flu vaccine, you simpleton.

          • SheilaRich

            And can you tell us just what is in it?

          • becca
          • becca

            Chemicals commonly used in the production of vaccines include a suspending fluid (sterile water, saline, or fluids containing protein); preservatives and stabilizers (for example, albumin, phenols, and glycine); and adjuvants or enhancers that help improve the vaccine’s effectiveness. Vaccines also may contain very small amounts of the culture material used to grow the virus or bacteria used in the vaccine, such as chicken egg protein.

            What You Should Know
            Millions of doses of vaccines are administered to children in this country each year. Ensuring that those vaccines are potent, sterile, and safe requires the addition of minute amounts of chemical additives.
            Chemicals are added to vaccines to inactivate a virus or bacteria and stabilize the vaccine, helping to preserve the vaccine and prevent it from losing its potency over time.
            The amount of chemical additives found in vaccines is very small.
            All routinely recommended pediatric vaccines manufactured for the U.S. market are available in formulations that contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts.

          • GT500RN

            Actually, yes there is. Funny how you break a thermometer and they call hazmat, but it’s okay to inject it into your body year after year. Its linked to Alzheimers and Autism…. both of which have increased twofold in the last 10 years.

          • Bingo Little

            Firstly, you don’t have to call ‘hazmat’ for breaking a thermometer, you just clean it up, being careful with any mercury that may be in it. Secondly, thimerosal (which doesn’t contain elemental mercury anyway) was phased out of almost all vaccines years ago. Your poor research skills are typical of members of the anti-vaccine cult.

          • SheilaRich

            Ahhh, but Congress gave Big Pharma a grandfather clause that allows them to use all the vaccine they had made with mercury in it. Beware!

          • Demaris Forsythe

            They don’t fucking call hazmat, you clown. And even the Alzheimer’s Association says that vaccines don’t cause Alzheimer’s. In fact, those who are vaccinated for flu are LESS likely to develop Alzheimer’s.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Baloney. The flu vaccine does NOT “weaken the immune system.” There is no “mercury” in the single-dose vials, and you aren’t a doctor, so who cares what you recommend.

          • ciaparker2

            Not for newborns you don’t. I didn’t want my newborn to get the hep-b vaccine at birth: I had read that it often caused autism. That was a year after the congressional safety hearing on it that found that it was very dangerous and should never be given with mercury. I made a special trip to her future pediatrician only to say I didn’t want her to get it. He agreed, but forgot to tell the staff at the hospital, and they gave it to her without permission or telling me until the next morning. And no vaccine information sheet. And she reacted with four days and nights of endless screaming, vaccine encephalitis, and was later diagnosed with autism. Hospitals don’t have to follow the law about consent required to vaccines, and our current autism epidemic has been largely caused by newborns being forced to get the very dangerous hep-B vaccine.

          • joe

            You have been told many many times that vaccination does not cause Autism. You have been given countless links that state vaccination does not cause Autism, yet to continue to lie, for shame.

          • jojowa

            This article has a lie in it. It says you are injected with a live flu virus. If that were true 99 percent of those getting a flu shot would get sick almost immediately.

          • joe

            You are CORRECT

          • Nonsheep

            I know.

          • ciaparker2

            No kidding! They USED to delete comments of vaccine critics by the acre (not this site in particular, but all over the Disqus-enabled Internet).

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            They always do and simply because they must censor the truth. They can not any longer hold up to what we put forth. Such a sick and desperate lot they are.

          • AutismDadd

            Must have been accidental

          • Nonsheep

            That is a distraction. You are injecting people with cellular detritus, that isn’t a healthy thing to do.

          • Ron Roy
          • joe

            greenmedinfo, REALLY, get back to me when you have some REAL evidence.

          • Nonsheep

            CDC, REALLY, they own the patent on ebola! They also believe in medical peer review as evidence and the vaccine fallacy! Post when you have something non fantasy to say.

          • joe

            You first

          • Ron Roy

            What’s the matter cat got your tongue. That was a standard shill reply Josephine and you don’t even qualify ass a shill.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            More false discrediation, and with zero ability to actually address the information in front of you. Vaccine harm, and vaccines kill, period.

          • joe

            For someone that has been caught drink driving on at least four occasions telling everyone here that vaccination is dangerous is beyond belief. I am lost for words.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Your mentally sick and disgusting claim is something from now 12 years ago, arsehole; and has absolutely nothing to do with today and has nothing at all to do with the vaccine truth. You pathetic and desperate shill souls will do anything to try ignore and silence the evidence of the vaccine truth. Not happening. The only words you are going to be lost for here are those which you will need when I bury your own vaccine ignorance and stupidity in the dirt. I will do that each and every time I reply to you here, so get used to it.

          • joe

            Thing is I will not waste any more time with you, as with Autismdad I will ignore you

          • AutismDadd

            You add ZERO to the discussion but denial. We won’t miss you…be off pest

          • joe

            For other posters wishing to know about Mr Hubbs please go to link prvided

            http://americanloons.blogspot.com.au/2016/12/1757-lowell-hubbs.html

          • joe

            “vaccines kill” and your proof is?

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Perhaps you should continue to read the replies that I have already made to you and others here. Anyway how about if you start with this. Now, if you want to ignore that then who is the person that really doesn’t care about the common good and protection of children and families. Your level of hypocrisy is easily noted.

            There are more than enough personal accounts of it all right here.

            Vaxxed TV
            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwZDSEpPvE398OLazdituKQ

          • joe

            Vaxxed , youtube, REALLY?, I asked for credible links

          • AutismDadd

            You know they exist goof.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            VAXXED is a POS.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            So now you are so lazy that you can only make senseless 4 word replies? Provide some evidence?

            Again here is the evidence to show directly what you really are and what you represent.

            The Official Definition of a Vaccine Shill: #vaxshill
            http://paraven.net/the-official-definition-of-a-vaccine-shill-vaxshill/

            (Sick, Disgusting, and Criminal) Internet Trolls Attack Anyone Resisting Vaccine Party Line
            David Gorski, MD, alias “Orac”” and editor of the no science there, blog, and Michael Simpson editor of the blogging trash known Skeptical Raptor, (otherwise as well said to be directly affiliated with the mad minded, Paul Offit
            http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/11/internet-trolls-attack-anyone-resisting-vaccine-party-line/

            Six EVIL propagandists who promote chemical medicine so your children will get deathly sick and wind up in their offices

            #1. Dr. David H. Gorski ­– Psycho-blogger-cancer-surgeon, a.k.a. “Orac,” who slanders his own patients in his blogs right after he operates on their breasts
            #2. Dr. Richard Pan – Medical extremist repeatedly violates the AMA code of ethics and believes in forced vaccination at gunpoint
            #3. Dr. Paul Offit – The freak who inserts deadly pig virus strains in a vaccine he patented for children who have mild diarrhea sickness
            #4. Dr. Steven Novella – The ultimate quack who ironically calls himself the “quackbuster”
            #5.Dr. Robert Santella – Psychotic serial-abortion doctor who declared on video that he “loves killing babies!”
            #6. Pediatrician Jason Terk – the world’s #1 promoter of the highly toxic and deadly HPV (human papillomavirus) jab

            READ more:
            https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-30-six-evil-propagandists-who-promote-chemical-medicine-so-your-children-will-get-deathly-sick-and-wind-up-in-their-offices.html

            Dangerous Medicine, (more important need to know, articles)
            http://dangerousmedicine.com/

            Provax Quacks

            Since the belief in vaccines is more like faith and religion than it is science, we thought we’d present the Vaccinology 10 Commandments as we see them:

            1. Correlation doth not equal Causation (unless it defends the Sacred and Holy Vaccine).
            2. It is NEVER the Sacred and Holy Vaccine. Any injuries associated with the Sacred and Holy Vaccine must be coincidence, or a lie.
            3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Holy Vaccine in vain. Thou shalt not question the Holy Writings that defend the Sacred Vaccine.
            4. Thou shalt not hold any medical procedure above the Sacred and Holy Vaccine. Only the Sacred and Holy Vaccine can perform the miracles claimed.
            5. Thou must always follow the Vaccine Schedule, for the Sacred Vaccine is a jealous God.
            6. Honor thy Offit and thy Salk, for they are the prophets of the Sacred and Holy Vaccine.
            7. Thou must always trust all studies that are done by the makers of the Sacred and Holy Vaccine. They have no interest in profit, only in the health and livelihood of their congregation.
            8. Thou must always take the holy sacrament of Vaccination. Any who does not Vaccinate, or who question the holy sacrament, must be called a heretic.
            9. Diseases that were once benign must become deadly once a Sacred Vaccine is made for them.
            10. The Sacred and Holy Vaccine is always safe and effective.

            https://provaxquacks.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/the-vaccinology-10-commandments/

            Speaking of Quacks…

            It is without further adieu that I present pseudo-skeptic extraordinaire, David Gorski aka Orac the nipple ripper.

            Gorski is known best for his exceptional talent for cherry picking information that conforms to his particularly biased, preexisting set of beliefs.

            The particular brand of pseudo-skepticism Gorski and his followers adhere to is one that actually inhibits the progress of scientific research, zealously discouraging any and all from questioning existing science!

            Read more:
            https://provaxquacks.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/speaking-of-quacks/

            Offit’s Alarming Claim.

            Once upon a time, a devout vaccine worshiper made the scientifically unsound claim that an infant could safely receive as many as 10,000 vaccines at one time!

            Parents and persons within the health community immediately demanded to see where this ridiculous number had been extrapolated from. It turns out this statement was based purely on a theoretical immunological calculation and did not take into account the toxicological aspect of such a large number of vaccine doses.

            We’re still waiting for Mr. Offit to amend his disingenuous statement to include this very important fact.

            https://provaxquacks.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/offits-alarming-claim-9/

            Does ‘the dose make the poison?’

            Extensive results challenge a core assumption in toxicology

            http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/newscience/lowdose/2007/2007-0525nmdrc.html

            PQ Presents: The Father of Vaccine Quackery.

            Since this page is devoted to exposing all forms of quackery that encompass the provax religion, I thought it might be fun to feature the original, true quack credited with founding the practice of vaccination! (Though this too is a false misconception. Vaccination or variolation was around long before Jenner adopted the practice.)

            Fun facts:

            -Jenners experiments were largely based upon superstition and anecdotal evidence.

            -Jenner was notorious for performing highly unethical and dangerous experiments on young children including his own son.

            -Jenner experimented on his son for many years afterwards, subjecting him to various innoculations. Jenner then performed challenge tests, deliberately exposing his son to deadly diseases.

            -In the years following these experiments, Jenners son “became a sickly child and exhibited signs of mild mental retardation.” Sadly his son died at the young age of 21 from tuberculosis.

            -Jenner refused to vaccinate his second child.

            https://provaxquacks.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/pq-presents-the-father-of-vaccine-quackery/

          • Acleron

            Lol, the fool thinks that insane websites full of misinformation are evidence.

          • Nonsheep

            Did you know the human genome project has failed to proove the cause of disease?
            https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/apr/17/human-genome-genetics-twin-studies
            That means the septic swerve that autism is genetic is complete woo

          • Bored Now

            It’s more evidence that people who think vaccines cause autism failed math. Your source says:

            Children who receive all of the 22 vaccines and 35 vaccinations currently recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) are 14 times more likely to become learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared with children who were never vaccinated

            So the actual “”””””research”””””” is here http://www.voicesofsafety.com/ph/v502/research/

            According to their survey — of the *cough* Congregation for Universal Wisdom *cough* — had 460 children with no vaccines, with two cases of autism. They also had 34 fully vaccinated children with two cases of autism. This makes for an OR of about 13.5. However the confidence interval (CL 95%) on such a comparison is (1.85 , 99.04). Wide confidence intervals tend to say that we are capturing noise rather than signal.

            The fact that they could only find 34 fully vaccinated children shows that we are looking at a population that is hardly random. This is unsurprising since evidence suggests the CUW effectively “sells” membership to anyone for no reason if they want to get a belief exemption.

            Not to mention they made no effort to normalize for gender. Which probably invalidates the results right there.

            Finally if we assume that the “no vaccine” group is at least correct and compare it to nominal levels (1 in 68). Then we get an OR of 3 and a CI of (0.6 , 14.94). Which of course fails to be statistically significant. Sad Trumpet for “voices of safety”

          • ciaparker2
          • Ron Roy

            Thanks. I’ll keep that site for reference.

          • bubbiesbub

            Consider the source. The fact is, no one knows what the cause of autism is. There are some theories being tested right now that point to the symptoms appear earlier in some who have had vaccines. Could it be it just triggers the inevitable? Is it genetic? Is it congenital? The fact is WE DO NOT KNOW. There is no study presented in this article. Again, you are a drone, and believe everything that fits your agenda.

          • AutismDadd

            Check out the nonsense folks. Just a bunch of suggestion, supposition and deflection away from vaccines. Thousands of parents witness the adverse reactions in their children, but Bubblebrain wants to talk nonsense.

          • bubbiesbub

            No one knows what causes autism. The studies I talked about are going on right now. Everything you’ve been fed is a lie. Anyone who has any intelligence at all knows that coincidence and/or anecdotal evidence does not prove anything. You are the one spewing nonsense and insults. You haven’t cited any study that would back your claim. Go love your child (if you actually have one) and stop the hate. Anger is ruining your life…. that is if you’re not a troll. Otherwise, I’m just fueling the fire for your angry responses. Trust me, this trolling does damage to your psyche. Make the best of your life. I have an affinity to people with autism. They have special attributes that are all very valuable. I’ve mentored 2 teenagers with autism. My niece and brother have autism. I have a patient that is extremely autistic, lives alone, has many friends, and is becoming very famous for his art. They are all living extremely happy lives. Some day we’ll know what causes this, but in the meantime, make the best of what you have.

          • somitcw

            While it is always good to “make the best of what you have”, we should still stop the people destroying us and our children.
            We know that ultrasound is great for blasting kidney stones to smithereens but we also know that non-therapeutic ultrasound used against unborn children gives allopathic sales-droids some income and the parents some pretty pictures but damages the unborn person. No doubt about it but we persist anyway.
            We know that vaccines damages people including children. No doubt about it or way to cover it up but we persist anyway.
            We know that chemicals and poisons in our food and water damages everyone. No doubt about it but we persist anyway.
            We can’t stop any of it because bubbiesbub cannot tie or doesn’t want to tie one specific non-therapeutic vaccine ingredient in one specific non-therapeutic vaccine to one specific symptom on the autistic spectrum.
            We are doomed because of bubbiesbub and other people like bubbiesbub.

          • bubbiesbub

            Wow! It’s a fucking miracle that we’ve survived all of that! You are a nut case.

          • somitcw

            I never claimed survival. I said:
            “We are doomed because of bubbiesbub and other people like bubbiesbub.”

          • bubbiesbub

            You are hurting others by spreading your hysteria…. what is your definition of doomed???

          • somitcw

            I am helping others by telling them who is trying to cripple and kill them with their families.
            Doom is us letting your criminal friends to cripple and kill us with our families.
            You are trying to help the criminals and you are proud of that.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            You are hurting others by SPREADING your get vaccinated or die fear mongering hysteria. The same false vaccine propaganda that you were brainwashed with and in that your mind refuses to think in any other terms. Wake up.

            We Are Vaxxed was live.

            Super healthy unvaccinated children #vaxxed #PrayBig #RFKcommission #unvaxxed

            https://www.facebook.com/wearevaxxed/videos/409076039439678/

            What, and if not vaccines do you think is causing this; perhaps to many video games, or refrigerator moms? But the science is settled right, vaccines are safe no matter what? No it is not.

            Study: Rate of American Boys Developing Neurodevelopmental Disorders a National Crisis
            February 5, 2018 4:12 pm

            At least one in six American children (roughly 17%) has a diagnosed developmental disability. No matter which once-rare disorder one considers—learning disabilities, autism spectrum disorder (ASD), attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), tics, obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) or emotional disturbances—each has witnessed a dramatic escalation over the past several decades. A systematic literature review recently published in Acta Neurobiologiae Experimentalis contends that these trends are at crisis proportions. The crisis is spiraling out of control, with society-wide impacts on services, institutions, families and, especially, boys. There are at least two boys for every girl with a neurodevelopmental disorder. For ASD and ADHD, the male-to-female ratio is roughly four and five to one, respectively. Genetics cannot explain this consistent sex-specific pattern. What can explain it is children’s vastly increased exposure to and bioaccumulation of chemical neurotoxins at the same time that the explosion in neurodevelopmental disorders has unfolded. In fact, the skewed sex ratio is, in and of itself, a vital clue that can help pinpoint major causes of neurodevelopmental disorders. Unfortunately, research funding priorities in the U.S. are highly distorted, as the field of ASD research illustrates. In 2013, the federal government awarded more than 38 times as much funding ($291 million) to ASD researchers studying genetics as to those studying ASD’s environmental aspects ($7.5 million)—even though genetics “only addresses at best about 20% of the ASD population.”

            Read More…
            http://vaccineimpact.com/2018/study-rate-of-american-boys-developing-neurodevelopmental-disorders-a-national-crisis/

          • AutismDadd

            Vulgar pro-vac

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            You are actually the nut case here, bubbiesbub. What somitcw just stated, is fact; and regardless of if or not like you like it. None of us here create truth and reality. That already exists, regardless of your denial. Your inability to face it all is no ones fault but your own.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Not really. It’s just standard survivorship bias – thos who lived through it are here talking about it precisely because they survived.

          • AutismDadd

            CDC says autism is a coincidence. Yet science claims to NOT know the cause. Vaccines are the NUMBER ONE claim of parents who watch it happen. Its not complicated, its just government lying as usual.

          • bubbiesbub

            It’s too much to explain to a lay person, but you wouldn’t listen anyway. You are right on the first 2 counts. The truth is that we don’t know. There are soooooo many variables involved in determining a cause. Vaccines is only one. I know I’m repeating myself, but your claim is not based on science; it’s anecdotal evidence. Have you ever asked why ALL children who are immunized are not autistic? You see, your argument is not sound. They are working hard to find the cause. They haven’t dismissed those parents. I also agree that the government lies to us. Fuck the government! But in this case, they are not lying. Public health is all about saving lives. Historically, it has eradicated smallpox from the earth and prevented the plaque and saved billions of lives all around the world. Last Fall, there was an outbreak of measles in Minneapolis. The Somali people are not getting vaccines and it was very serious, but no one has died yet. (There’s one complication from the disease that can kill years after they’re infected. The point is, you cannot believe everything you read. I actually am a doctor, and I have to see the data before I will be convinced. A scientific paper can be presented, but without the proof, it’s junk. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/despite-measles-outbreak-anti-vaccine-activists-in-minnesota-refuse-to-back-down/2017/08/21/886cca3e-820a-11e7-ab27-1a21a8e006ab_story.html?utm_term=.7c42262dfe13

          • AutismDadd

            You can close to saying some decent things but then fell back on the official mantra.

          • bubbiesbub

            Why do some immunized children get autism and some don’t? If immunizations were THE CAUSE, all immunized children would be autistic. Logical enough for you?

          • AutismDadd

            In other words you aren’t familiar with the science. There are two recognized forms of autism. One born with (mechanism unknown, but fewer cases) and Regressive ( thousands of parental reports after a series of vaccines) But like most you want to claim both have the same etiology and “logically” its not so.

          • bubbiesbub

            You still can’t explain why some DO NOT GET AUTISM when they are immunized. I’m very familiar with autism. I’ve mentored kids with autism. There are many “grades” of autism and most are able to function well in society. My brother is autistic and extremely intelligent. I had to teach him only one thing: How to hug! His daughter is autistic. Is there a genetic link? I reiterate, you cannot state the cause of autism because it is multifactorial.

          • AutismDadd

            So you think that those vaccinated but do not regress into autism proves something? Well it proves they are fortunate. But what do they develop? What issues do they have? Allergies, autoimmune, anaphylaxis? And as I said some are born with it like your family. That is singular, not an explanation for vaccine induced regressive autism reported by thousands of parents world wide. You say yourself multi-factor then you argue against yourself

          • bubbiesbub

            Fortune does not make science. Nice try.

          • AutismDadd

            Just trying to clarify.

          • AutismDadd

            It made Paul Offit a fortune.

          • bubbiesbub

            You know I was talking about the children that don’t get Autism being fortunate… so now you use a “straw man” argument, or sarcasm. Now that you mention it, Dr. Offit is awesome. Why do you begrudge him from making a fortune (relative word)? He went to school for 10-12 years WITH NO INCOME (that’s 1/4 of a man’s income-earning years!). He did this so he could serve children… he’s a pediatrician. There are sooooo many quacks that you could demonize, but you chose a hard-working, innovative, honest, and seriously smart guy to bitch about. Why don’t you go after the Supplement companies, Dr. Oz, or better yet, Dr. Mercola (my favorike quack)! These people are peddling lies and getting rich. Dr. Offit has saved lives and improved the health of many people!

          • AutismDadd

            Oz and Mercola aren’t Pharma shills. The Pharmafia maims and kills consumers.

          • bubbiesbub

            I did not say the converse was true.

          • bubbiesbub

            I don’t know what mantra you’re talking about.

          • AutismDadd

            CDC mantra. Safe and effective mantra

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Their is a GROWING number of what you call lay people that fully understand what is going on with vaccines and the available unbiased study science as well. Tell me, what specialty within big pharma so called health care is it that you think gives you more expertise than the others? Clearly Pediatricians and MD’s have never had any education on vaccine ingredients and they as well have no had any education on what exactly vaccines do individually or in multiple combinations within the human body. You can just cut the charade in regard to that are medially educated on the safety and efficacy of vaccines and the study science; because have been educated in n such thing, as a fact.

            How much does Medical School teach about Vaccines?

            Six doctors who have administered vaccines in their practiced are all asked the same question. When you were in medical school, how much education regarding vaccines was provided before you were permitted to administer them?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rp9YNMNlxQ

            “Consult Your Doctor” on Vaccines? Medical Doctors Receive Little to No Training on Vaccines in Medical School
            https://vaccineimpact.com/2016/consult-your-doctor-on-vaccines-medical-doctors-receive-little-to-no-training-on-vaccines-in-medical-school/

            Are Doctors Experts On Vaccines?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0Br6YXlEA

            How Much Is Taught on Vaccines In Medical School? Forrest Maready
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQvtnQ7VXA

            How Much Money Do Pediatricians Really Make From Vaccines?

            So how much money do doctors really make from vaccines? The average American pediatrician has 1546 patients, though some pediatricians see many more. The vast majority of those patients are very young, perhaps because children transition to a family physician or stop visiting the doctor at all as they grow up. As they table above explains, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated child. If your pediatrician has just 100 fully-vaccinated patients turning 2 this year, that’s $40,000. Yes, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays your doctor a $40,000 bonus for fully vaccinating 100 patients under the age of 2. If your doctor manages to fully vaccinate 200 patients, that bonus jumps to $80,000.

            But here’s the catch: Under Blue Cross Blue Shield’s rules, pediatricians lose the whole bonus unless at least 63% of patients are fully vaccinated, and that includes the flu vaccine. So it’s not just $400 on your child’s head–it could be the whole bonus. To your doctor, your decision to vaccinate your child might be worth $40,000, or much more, depending on the size of his or her practice.

            If your pediatrician recommends that your child under the age of 2 receive the flu vaccine–even though the flu vaccine has never been studied in very young children and evidence suggests that the flu vaccine actually weakens a person’s immune system over the long term–ask yourself: Is my doctor more concerned with selling me vaccines to keep my child healthy or to send his child to private school?

            Read more:
            https://wellnessandequality.com/2016/06/20/how-much-money-do-pediatricians-really-make-from-vaccines/

            The Unknown Reasons Doctors Push Vaccines

            Blue Cross, Blue Shield, Blue Care Network of Michigan publishes online a shameless and bold report of how much cash they reward physicians for performing certain tests, and which apparently acts as an incentive to over-prescribe, thus inflating the costs of U.S. healthcare, which should be illegal.

            Blue Cross/Blue Shield published the 2016 Performance Recognition Program, a 28-page report indicating how medical insurance companies actually increase the costs of healthcare!

            Look what we find on the BC/BS page “Childhood Immunizations—Combo 10”!

            If MDs meet a target of 63% of eligible member patients, they will receive a payout of $400 per completed eligible member. Wow! Now you know one of the key reasons why parents are hounded to vaccinate their infants and toddlers. Gelt, pecunia, greenbacks—whatever you call M-O-N-E-Y.

            Read MORE:
            http://www.activistpost.com/2017/08/unknown-reasons-doctors-push-vaccines.html

            2017 Performance
            Recognition Program
            PROVIDER INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR:
            • BCN Commercial HMO
            • BCN AdvantageSM HMO-POS
            • BCBSM Medicare Plus BlueSM PPO

            http://thephysicianalliance.org/images/FilesDocuments/2017_BCN_BCBSM_PRPBooklet_Final122016.pdf

            The actual payoff amount to pediatricians for coercing parents into vaccinating.
            https://community.babycenter.com/post/a63644578/the-actual-payoff-amount-to-pediatricians-for-coercing-parents-into-vaccinating.

            http://thephysicianalliance.org/index.php/incentive-programs

            Enormous Profiteering by Doctors Pushing Vaccines

            I thought you’d be interested in an article published in a Family Practice Journal about how a doctor can get rich dumping vaccines in children. No wonder the medical profession is so pro vaccine. They have a vested interest, even aside from Pharma’s corrupt interest. Note the emphasis on the “bottom line”. Please note that the doctor chasing and collecting butterflies in the image. The butterflies are paper dollars! This image should tell you everything you need to know, and how the Pharma whores are using medical doctors as literal pimps for their wares.

            Read More…
            http://vaccineimpact.com/2018/enormous-profiteering-by-doctors-pushing-vaccines/

            Ask Your Doctor: Are You Being Bribed to Recommend Vaccines?

            There are not-so-subtle financial incentives that drive doctors to become vaccine pushers. I have read that pediatricians can earn a significant percentage of their income from vaccination, meaning, vaccines they push vaccines on their patients to keep a positive balance sheet. After all, a medical practice is a business, with sizable expenses such as malpractice insurance, staff salaries and rent. For physicians who are employees of a hospital system, there are fee quotas to meet so they can receive bonuses. Many of the vaccines in the inventory are expensive (for example, Gardasil and MMR) and some have very short expiration dates (i.e., flu shots and Flumist). Purchased vaccines need to be administered for costs to be recouped, and adding a shot, or shots, to a routine office visit generates more revenue. There is little doubt that financial pressures play a role in the thought process of those who push vaccination.

            Even if they are not fans of vaccines, many doctors give vaccines out of fear. They do not want to question authority or challenge professional organizations and licensing bodies, such as state medical boards, the very organizations that develop and enforce vaccines mandates. From the very beginning of medical education, bright, aspiring medical students, interns and residents are taught to do as they are told, follow orders and not confront the status quo. Doctors-in-training who challenge the system or dare to think independently are often punished with more work or publically humiliated in front of their peers. Early on, they get the message they better tow the Party Line if they want to survive. Later, when in their individual practices, doctors who buck the system and don’t vaccinate, or vaccinate less aggressively, often suffer penalties such as losing hospital privileges, being dropped from insurance company rosters or being ostracized by their peers.

            Read more:
            http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/02/bribery-affects-vaccination-rates.aspx

            On the Crime of Heresy Against the Vaccine Religion
            by Jeremy R. Hammond | Apr 29, 2017
            https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2017/04/29/on-the-crime-of-heresy-against-the-vaccine-religion/

            When Federal Grants Come With Vaccine Mandates
            http://www.activistpost.com/2017/04/federal-grants-come-vaccine-mandates.html

            Big Pharma and Big Profits: The Multibillion Dollar Vaccine Market
            New Report says “Vaccine Market” Worth $61 Billion by 2020
            https://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-big-profits-the-multibillion-dollar-vaccine-market/5503945

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You are a layperson, Bubble. You are not capable of understanding science because you have nothing beyond a high school education, and it shows in every post you vomit up.

          • Mary S

            After reviewing many of your posts I want to say you sound like a logical, compassionate physician so I ask and hope you will really try to analyze and evaluate the current vaccination schedules for children birth to about 18 months and encourage solid studies.
            As you have pointed out there are many factors to Autism and WE DO NOT KNOW ! I hope the studies you mentioned will be unbiased and not at all paid for, in any way, by any of the pharmaceutical companies that profit by their sales. It might be a help if all vaccine producers could gain NO profit from sales and would have to function as Non-profits. That would be powerful if it also applied to all pharmaceuticals.. what a different scenario that would be.

            A question of wonder is in what way will or are any anti-vaxx doctors benefiting from all their effort to bring this possible connections to the public attention. Right now mistrust is causing fear and most of us know that negative power of feat. For myself, I have, so far not found CDC or other government data enough to ease my concerns which began from personal experience and have been fueled by this movement against vaccination… AND directly to you. As a physician, especially if you are a pediatrician, are you ALWAYS reporting every harm incident that your observe that might be vaccine related. And in your heart do you believe immunization by vaccination is the best and only way to avoid these diseases?

          • bubbiesbub

            I’m not a pediatrician. I’m a retired dentist with a special interest in public health, autism, the miracle of the human body, and quackery. I believe adverse reactions to vaccines are self-reported. I believe that most doctors are devoted to the public good and abide by the Hippocratic Oath. In my heart and soul, I believe vaccines are the only way. Asking a company to be non-profit is not American. Stopping the abuse of big companies greasing the palms of government officials must be stopped. It’s a huge problem in our government system. I’ve joined with the Convention of States to get amendments to the Constitution to crack down on the abuse of power in Washington. We need term limits for more altruistic leaders. We need to crack down on lobbying. Leaders need to abide by the laws they enact and not exempt themselves from it. We must drain the swamp. The whole premise of capitalism is that we the people choose who the winners and losers are. Public Health is a different animal. We need legitimate, altruistic, professionals we can trust to make the right decisions for us.

          • Mary S

            Appreciate this reply and I agree with your statement and pleased that you are working toward goals that could really work toward improving many problems. As far as my non-profit comment: Since careful development of vaccines is so important to the health of all citizens I think it might help, no profit, more trust, less possibility to be greed driven. And in a way the US government is already subsidizing vaccine development with protection against law suits it could be a great benefit. Remove profit, remove motivations to push their products with questionable data or before careful testing is completed. RE: “Convention of the States” I will be looking into that knowledge later.

            Not sure what you intended in your statement “…vaccines are self-reported” I would hope that our medical doctors would be fully responsible to report all incidents so that the most accurate analysis would occur in a timely manner but as I understand it they seldom report.. so yes probably primarily self-reported, certainly not the ideal method.

          • bubbiesbub

            Innovation does not come without profit. Capitalism has created the American dream for millions, all the while improving the lives of others. What I meant about “self-reporting” is that the patient tells the doctor and the doctor reports it, but I really don’t know… that’s why I said, “I think”. I don’t see why a doctor would not report all incidences. Some may not be reported if it was the usual symptoms of lethargy and swelling at the injection site.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Parents’ beliefs are not evidence. Not one single valid study has shown any link between vaccines and autism. Not one.

          • AutismDadd

            Too bad you’re so dumb.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, the irony. You have no evidence for a single claim you make. Your beliefs are not supported by ANY valid science. If anyone’s “dumb,” it’s you.

          • AutismDadd

            So you were nice enough to provide further evidence.

          • AutismDadd

            TRIGGERS? Yes many have suggested the vulnerable regress after vaccines TRIGGER it (alters them) .

          • Nonsheep

            Joe, quoting medical peer review means nothing. There is no definitive evidence that vaccines don’t cause autism, you are repeating a septic meme.

          • joe

            And pray tell, can YOU give me evidence that vaccination DOES cause Autism.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            I pray tell that you give me scientific study evidence that it has been shown and proven as safe to give a small child from 5 and up to 9 or more injected vaccines in a single day and office visit? Until you have that, you have nothing.

          • joe

            At least I am sober.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Same here.

          • Nonsheep

            Only medical peer review says vaccines don’t cause autism Joe, that is not evidence, it is paid for research.
            https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientific-peer-reviews-are-a-sacred-cow-ready-to-be-slaughtered-says-former-editor-of-bmj-10196077.html

          • joe

            This is the man you kinked me to——In December 2014, Smith wrote on the BMJ blog that trying to find a cure for cancer was a waste of money, claiming that, “with love, morphine, and whisky”, the disease is the best way to die.[7] His remarks provoked outrage.[8][9][10] The British Medical Journal said:

          • kfunk937

            Did you intend a blockquote to follow that? A link would be awesome, too.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Let me inform you of something. Those large epidemiological studies only looked at one single vaccine (the MMR) and as well only one single vaccine ingredient, (Thimerosal). How many vaccines are there, and how many vaccine ingredients and to include vaccine aluminum adjuvants. Where as well are the vaccine safety studies in regard to multiple vaccines and multiple vaccines when combined as to the practice of giving a small child from 5 and up to 9 vaccines in a single day and office visit? Single vaccines such as the MMR have caused serious vaccine injury, but it gets much worse and far more common when multiple vaccines are combined. Your doctor is as well simply going to deny it all when the child comes back in obviously vaccine injured. They are never going to report it to VAERS adverse event reporting, and the entire situation is simply swept under the rug, with no existing legal liability existing; and that even if the child dies. It get written of to SIDS or natural causes, and even when they have determined no actual cause for the death.

            I would like to have you read through this direct analysis of all those known epidemiological studies. Found were the use of flawed study designs, the use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in all of the studies funding sources. None of them being independent, and nor thus unbiased. All of those studies were fraudulent and all of them were obviously nothing but unreliable junk science. These as well are the same studies that they continue to use at the federal vaccine court and now have denied 1000’s of claims for vaccine injury, and with resulting autism.

            VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
            http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

            9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

          • ciaparker2

            And if you read Evidence of Harm, Age of Autism, and Callous Disregard, you’ll see that the MMR and mercury-containing vaccines have ALWAYS been extremely dangerous. The Dark Side’s rigged studies are worthless.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            More quack websites. No valid studies.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            I just showed you a direct analysis which puts forth clearly why all of your so valued epidemiological studies on one single vaccine, the MMR vaccine, and as well one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal are all junk science studies in which none of them ever should have been and/or continue to be relied upon. I just put forth as well that you have zro studies that have ever been done and showed the safety of giving a small child fro 5 and up to 9 or more vaccines in a single day and office visit. Who really does not have the valid studies, or any studies; you or me . . . oh so deceptive and delusional, SHILLARY one? If you have those studies then get started answering those questions?

            And all while as well that you are killing babies with multiple vaccines, and yet denying it. No evidence for it, and no proof exists ever, right?

            What Are The Real Causes of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)? Why Are Vaccines Excluded?

            As we have previously reported at Health Impact News, in spite of the fact that the U.S. spends more on “healthcare” than any other nation in the world, our infant mortality rates are among the highest, especially when compared to developed, wealthier nations. The most recent study was published in January of 2018 in the journal Health Affairs and compared the mortality rate of children in 19 wealthy, Western countries, where the U.S. came in last. It is also well-known that American babies receive more doses of vaccines than any other nation. And yet, government health agencies refuse to even consider if vaccines are part of the problem. Within the U.S., the state with the highest infant mortality rate, Mississippi, also (coincidentally??) has the highest vaccination rates in the U.S. Neil Miller, a medical research journalist and the Director of the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute, wrote in 2014 that while there are 130 official ways for an infant to die according to official categories of death, sanctioned by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO) as published in the International Classification of Diseases (ICD), vaccines are not one of them: “There are 130 official ways for an infant to die. When a baby dies, coroners must choose from among these 130 categories. The official causes of death include nearly every imaginable — and tragic — possibility. However, there is NO category for infant deaths caused by vaccines.” According to the CDC, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) remains one of the leading causes of death among infants in the U.S., claiming 3,700 deaths in 2015. Dr. Viera Scheibner is one of the few scientists and researchers who has investigated SIDS and a possible link to vaccines, and she presents her research here on Health Impact News.

            Read More…
            http://vaccineimpact.com/2018/what-are-the-real-causes-of-sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-why-are-vaccines-excluded/

            COURT RULES VACCINES CONTRIBUTE TO AND CAUSE SIDS Deaths
            https://healthfreedomidaho.org/court-rules-vaccines-contribute-to-and-cause-sids-deaths

            In the United States Court of Federal Claims
            OFFICE OF SPECIAL MASTERS
            Filed: July 10, 2017
            * * * * * * * * * * * * *
            CHASE BOATMON & MAURINA * PUBLISHED DECISION
            CUPID, parents of J.B., deceased, *
            * No. 13-611V
            *
            Petitioners, * Special Master Gowen
            *
            v. * Entitlement Decision; Diphtheria*
            Tetanus-acellular Pertussis (DTaP)
            SECRETARY OF HEALTH * Vaccine; Inactivated Polio Vaccine
            AND HUMAN SERVICES, * (IPV); Haemophilus Influenzae (HiB)
            * Vaccine; Pneumococcal Conjugate
            Respondent. * (PCV) Vaccine; Rotavirus Vaccine;
            * Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).
            RULING ON ENTITLEMENT2
            https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2013vv0611-73-0

            Death Certificate Clerk Reveals How Cause of Death Reporting is Subjective and CDC Statistics are Not Reliable When Making Public Health Decisions

            In our recently published article on Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) we referenced how the CDC and WHO list 130 official ways for an infant to die according to official categories of death, but adverse reactions to vaccines is not one of them. Joy Fritz is a Death Certificate Clerk, and she recently published some of her observations in the field of death recording on Facebook. Joy relates how she and her husband were concerned about the severity of the flu season as was being reported in the media, and that she “started reading the FDA package inserts for different flu immunization options to get informed on which immunizations might be safest for our <1 year old and 6 year old." She states that she wanted to make an informed decision for her family, and that "What I ultimately wanted to compare was the risk of death." She learned that public records on influenza deaths stated that there were no deaths related to adverse reactions to flu medications or flu shots. However, being in the field of death recording, she dug deeper, and has presented her research and experience to the public. She writes: "Our current system for capturing mortality rates can and does provide a mostly uninvestigated and inaccurate picture of what causes a death. The process for creating and registering causes of death for public records is a complicated, convoluted, politicized, completely open to both ignorance and the manipulations of personal, professional, and governmental interests. I'm the one creating these statistics and I offer you this: If you take one thing away from this, take away a healthier skepticism about even the most excepted mainstream, nationally reported, CDC or other ‘scientific’ statistics." I am thankful that Joy reached out to us here at Health Impact News and encouraged us to share her perspective to our readership.

            Read More…
            http://vaccineimpact.com/2018/death-certificate-clerk-reveals-how-cause-of-death-reporting-is-subjective-and-cdc-statistics-are-not-reliable-when-making-public-health-decisions/

            The Only Credible Cause of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome Is Vaccines
            http://www.drbuttar.com/the-only-credible-cause-of-sudden-infant-death-syndrome-is-vaccines/

            Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): Major Causes are Known but Ignored
            https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-major-causes-are-known-but-ignored/

            The True Causes of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome
            https://vactruth.com/2017/01/22/the-true-causes-of-sids/

            Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, (and vaccine caused SIDS)
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

          • AutismDadd

            Nope. We see BOGUS studies that come to that conclusion. Its not proof.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            The real data and the bulk of the existing independent scientific studies, of course show an entirely different story than what you claim to.

            As for their known epidemiological studies.

            And, what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

            Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly paid for and COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

            Actually READ this well done analysis, joe. The science obviously is NOT settled.

            VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

            We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
            — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

            “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
            studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
            — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

            “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
            doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
            — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

            Read more:
            http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

            14 Studies
            http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

          • joe

            Leave the booze alone.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            There is none here, and you? Flagged again.

          • JoeFarmer

            Wow, look at wet brain Lowell gettin’ all froggy with the flag button!

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Does a wet brain produce information like this? Or is it someone with the cowardly level of no identity given, and the sick level of evil within their soul to personally attack me personally for the vaccine truth information I put forth, the real person that the public should really reject, and be concerned about? I think the correct answer is more than obvious.

            The Danger and Ineffectiveness of Flu Vaccines, with the concept of original antigenic sin information
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/danger-and-ineffectiveness-of-flu-vaccines.html

            Tamiflu Deception – Learn The Real Truth
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/tamiflu-deception—learn-the-real-truth.html

            Glutathione, Tylenol, Vaccine Adverse Reactions, and ASD
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/glutathione-tylenol-vaccine-adverse-reactions-and-asd.html

            Antipyretic Fever Treatments May Cause More Flu Deaths
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/antipyretic-fever-treatments-may-cause-more-flu-deaths.html

            Vitamin C is Antiviral
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/vitamin-c-is-antiviral.html

            Vitamin D Is More Effective Than Flu Vaccine, Study Says
            https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/02/27/vitamin-d-better-than-flu-vaccine.aspx

            Epidemic influenza and vitamin D
            J. J. CANNELL (a1), R. VIETH (a2), J. C. UMHAU (a3), M. F. HOLICK (a4)
            Abstract

            In 1981, R. Edgar Hope-Simpson proposed that a ‘seasonal stimulus’ intimately associated with solar radiation explained the remarkable seasonality of epidemic influenza. Solar radiation triggers robust seasonal vitamin D production in the skin; vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, 1,25(OH)2D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. 1,25(OH)2D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the ‘oxidative burst’ potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections. Ultraviolet radiation (either from artificial sources or from sunlight) reduces the incidence of viral respiratory infections, as does cod liver oil (which contains vitamin D). An interventional study showed that vitamin D reduces the incidence of respiratory infections in children. We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson’s ‘seasonal stimulus’.

            https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/epidemic-influenza-and-vitamin-d/C4D90C6E7CB127E6DF7A52D3A9EE2974

            HOW TO PREVENT THE FLU NATURALLY
            https://www.thedrswolfson.com/prevent-flu-naturally/

            Elderberries Extract is Nature’s “Tamiflu”! Simple Elderberries Extract Recipe
            https://www.naturalnewsblogs.com/elderberries-extract-natures-tamiflu-simple-elderberries-extract-recipe/

            J Int Med Res. 2004 Mar-Apr;32(2):132-40.
            Randomized study of the efficacy and safety of oral elderberry extract in the treatment of influenza A and B virus infections.
            Zakay-Rones Z1, Thom E, Wollan T, Wadstein J.

            Abstract
            Elderberry has been used in folk medicine for centuries to treat influenza, colds and sinusitis, and has been reported to have antiviral activity against influenza and herpes simplex. We investigated the efficacy and safety of oral elderberry syrup for treating influenza A and B infections. Sixty patients (aged 18-54 years) suffering from influenza-like symptoms for 48 h or less were enrolled in this randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study during the influenza season of 1999-2000 in Norway. Patients received 15 ml of elderberry or placebo syrup four times a day for 5 days, and recorded their symptoms using a visual analogue scale. Symptoms were relieved on average 4 days earlier and use of rescue medication was significantly less in those receiving elderberry extract compared with placebo. Elderberry extract seems to offer an efficient, safe and cost-effective treatment for influenza. These findings need to be confirmed in a larger study.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15080016

            Elderberry Trumps Tamiflu for Flu Remedy
            https://www.naturalnews.com/026354_flu_Tamiflu_elderberry.html

            Elderberry Extract: Nature’s “Tamiflu”
            http://www.healthy-holistic-living.com/elderberry-extract-natures-tamiflu.html

            Elderberry 5x
            St. John’s Nutrition Elderberry 5x Syrup is the finest and most potent Elderberry supplement available. Historical reference as well as current clinical research has shown that Elderberry has unique antiviral and immune system enhancing effects. St. John’s uses only the highest quality organic Elderberries, and uses a proprietary process that extracts all of the active constituents in the most bio-available delivery system available. Suggested Usage: Shake well before using. Take 1 teaspoon (5 ml) 1 to 3 times daily. Can be taken directly, or mixed with water or juice.

            https://stjohnsnutrition.net/product/elderberry-5x/

            Echinacea preparation as effective as Tamiflu in early flu cases in large clinical trial
            https://www.naturalnews.com/050328_Echinacea_extract_influenza_treatment_Tamiflu.html

            The Five Best Anti-Viral Products to Beat Influenza, Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS
            https://www.naturalnews.com/Report_Anti-Viral_Remedies_Influenza_5.html

            What is Influenzinum?
            Homeopathic “Influenzinum” is prepared from a broad spectrum of influenza viruses and remedies that have successfully treated influenza.
            https://worldwidechoice.org/influenzinum

          • joe

            Flag all you like. copies of documents showing you were charged on four occasions for drink driving was posted on another forum about 12 months ago for all of us to see. So in your world drink driving is not dangerous BUT vaccination is. YOU sir should get your prioritys sorted.

          • AutismDadd

            Yes we are TOLD. Yet we don’t fall for it like sheeple. Make you mad joe?

          • FallsAngel

            You’ve lied about this many times, cia. There was no congressional hearing about Hep B vaccine that concluded the vaccine was dangerous and should not be given with mercury. In point of fact, there is no elemental mercury in ANY vaccine and never was.

            Your doctor dropped the ball.

            Your daughter did not have “vaccine encephalitis”; you never took her to a physician for any diagnosis.

            Please document that hospitals do not have to follow the law.

          • Nonsheep

            FckAngle, you know that vaccine ‘evidence’ is medical peer review, that is the collective opinion of vested interests, it is not evidence. You spent what was it, 40 years injecting vaccine crap into kids, you have selection bias and funding bias at least. No wonder you are poop scared of the vaccine autism link. One day you may be forgiven, but first you must admit your crime.

          • joe

            She has no crime to admit to. It is quite clear that you have never spent time in a hospital, I have and the nurses are the hardest working people on the planet and GROSSLY underpaid, you should be ashamed of your self for running FallsAngel down.

          • FallsAngel

            Thanks, joe. You too kfunk937.

          • kfunk937

            YVW. I imagine I wasn’t the only one who flagged him for harassment, either.

          • joe

            Cia just informed me that she is blocking me, Gee I might lose sleep tonight (sarcasm )

          • AutismDadd

            Yea really you’re small time. A pimple on a vagrant’s ass

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            That does not excuse her refusal to see and to admit to the harm that vaccines have actually done. I don’t think she can and nor will she ever allow her mind to actually wrap itself around that obvious and proven conclusion.

          • joe

            Yes says the man that has been caught drink driving on many occasions and then tries to tell everyone that vaccinations are dangerous, YEAH RIGHT.

          • Mike Stevens

            So what might harm kids in Lowell’s estimation?
            Vaccines? …Yes!
            DUI? ….No way!

          • joe

            Yes Mike my point exactly, I think the word is hypocrisy.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            The real hypocrisy is found in your inability to present with any adequate level of vaccine safety study science and/or that which demonstrates actual vaccine efficacy. As pro-vax shillery promoters, you and Stevens really are complete failures.

            9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

          • AutismDadd

            And Mike knows hypocrisy…

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Obviously far more can harm kids in regard to vaccines than your small mind will ever comprehend. In your desperation, tell me how many DUI’s have I had in the past 12 years? Go ahead and answer that and in regard to the false discrediation level reality of it?

            You really do not like real study science do you.

            High Levels of Aluminum Found in Autistic Children’s Brain Tissue
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/high-levels-of-aluminum-found-in-autistic-childrens-brain-tissue.html

            It is not just autism that vaccine aluminum adjuvants are contributing to; it is as well major levels of immune system dysregulation.

            AUTISM & ALUMINUM ADJUVANTS IN VACCINES
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/autism–aluminum-adjuvants-in-vaccines.html

            Flu shots are nothing but injected toxic and contaminated quackery.

            Influenza Vaccine Causes Illness and Immune Dysfunction
            http://vaccinepapers.org/influenza-vaccine-immune-suppression/

            If you want to create high risk factor for severe flu and even resulting death, just add a flu vaccine with at best 10% efficacy, and then some Tylenol and Tamiflu. The CDC and as well the state and local health departments have done nothing but misinform and lie to the public on every level.

            The Danger and Ineffectiveness of Flu Vaccines, with the concept of original antigenic sin information
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/danger-and-ineffectiveness-of-flu-vaccines.html

            Tamiflu Deception – Learn The Real Truth
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/tamiflu-deception—learn-the-real-truth.html

            Glutathione, Tylenol, Vaccine Adverse Reactions, and ASD
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/glutathione-tylenol-vaccine-adverse-reactions-and-asd.html

            Antipyretic Fever Treatments May Cause More Flu Deaths
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/antipyretic-fever-treatments-may-cause-more-flu-deaths.html

            Vitamin C is Antiviral
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/vitamin-c-is-antiviral.html

            Vitamin D Is More Effective Than Flu Vaccine, Study Says
            https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/02/27/vitamin-d-better-than-flu-vaccine.aspx

          • joe

            All quack websites.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            As a fact more scientific studies and real data exist on those pages than you can handle. Just admit directly that you can’t deal with it, and walk away then. The use of only false discreditation again only shows your own obvious ignorance.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            And that was the best you could do? It takes a really desperate person to be that desperate. And again false discrediation is all you have. The fact is that I have more on the ball than you will ever have in the next FIVE lifetimes, and that is all to obvious.

            HOW TO PREVENT THE FLU NATURALLY
            https://www.thedrswolfson.com/prevent-flu-naturally/

            The Danger and Ineffectiveness of Flu Vaccines, with the concept of original antigenic sin information
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/danger-and-ineffectiveness-of-flu-vaccines.html

            Tamiflu Deception – Learn The Real Truth
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/tamiflu-deception—learn-the-real-truth.html

            Glutathione, Tylenol, Vaccine Adverse Reactions, and ASD
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/glutathione-tylenol-vaccine-adverse-reactions-and-asd.html

            Antipyretic Fever Treatments May Cause More Flu Deaths
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/antipyretic-fever-treatments-may-cause-more-flu-deaths.html

            Vitamin C is Antiviral
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/vitamin-c-is-antiviral.html

            Vitamin D Is More Effective Than Flu Vaccine, Study Says
            https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/02/27/vitamin-d-better-than-flu-vaccine.aspx

            Epidemic influenza and vitamin D
            J. J. CANNELL (a1), R. VIETH (a2), J. C. UMHAU (a3), M. F. HOLICK (a4)
            Abstract

            In 1981, R. Edgar Hope-Simpson proposed that a ‘seasonal stimulus’ intimately associated with solar radiation explained the remarkable seasonality of epidemic influenza. Solar radiation triggers robust seasonal vitamin D production in the skin; vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, 1,25(OH)2D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. 1,25(OH)2D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the ‘oxidative burst’ potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections. Ultraviolet radiation (either from artificial sources or from sunlight) reduces the incidence of viral respiratory infections, as does cod liver oil (which contains vitamin D). An interventional study showed that vitamin D reduces the incidence of respiratory infections in children. We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson’s ‘seasonal stimulus’.

            https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/epidemic-influenza-and-vitamin-d/C4D90C6E7CB127E6DF7A52D3A9EE2974

            Elderberries Extract is Nature’s “Tamiflu”! Simple Elderberries Extract Recipe
            https://www.naturalnewsblogs.com/elderberries-extract-natures-tamiflu-simple-elderberries-extract-recipe/

            J Int Med Res. 2004 Mar-Apr;32(2):132-40.
            Randomized study of the efficacy and safety of oral elderberry extract in the treatment of influenza A and B virus infections.
            Zakay-Rones Z1, Thom E, Wollan T, Wadstein J.

            Abstract
            Elderberry has been used in folk medicine for centuries to treat influenza, colds and sinusitis, and has been reported to have antiviral activity against influenza and herpes simplex. We investigated the efficacy and safety of oral elderberry syrup for treating influenza A and B infections. Sixty patients (aged 18-54 years) suffering from influenza-like symptoms for 48 h or less were enrolled in this randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study during the influenza season of 1999-2000 in Norway. Patients received 15 ml of elderberry or placebo syrup four times a day for 5 days, and recorded their symptoms using a visual analogue scale. Symptoms were relieved on average 4 days earlier and use of rescue medication was significantly less in those receiving elderberry extract compared with placebo. Elderberry extract seems to offer an efficient, safe and cost-effective treatment for influenza. These findings need to be confirmed in a larger study.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15080016

            Elderberry Trumps Tamiflu for Flu Remedy
            https://www.naturalnews.com/026354_flu_Tamiflu_elderberry.html

            Elderberry Extract: Nature’s “Tamiflu”
            http://www.healthy-holistic-living.com/elderberry-extract-natures-tamiflu.html

            Elderberry 5x
            St. John’s Nutrition Elderberry 5x Syrup is the finest and most potent Elderberry supplement available. Historical reference as well as current clinical research has shown that Elderberry has unique antiviral and immune system enhancing effects. St. John’s uses only the highest quality organic Elderberries, and uses a proprietary process that extracts all of the active constituents in the most bio-available delivery system available. Suggested Usage: Shake well before using. Take 1 teaspoon (5 ml) 1 to 3 times daily. Can be taken directly, or mixed with water or juice.

            https://stjohnsnutrition.net/product/elderberry-5x/

            Echinacea preparation as effective as Tamiflu in early flu cases in large clinical trial
            https://www.naturalnews.com/050328_Echinacea_extract_influenza_treatment_Tamiflu.html

            The Five Best Anti-Viral Products to Beat Influenza, Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS
            https://www.naturalnews.com/Report_Anti-Viral_Remedies_Influenza_5.html

            What is Influenzinum?
            Homeopathic “Influenzinum” is prepared from a broad spectrum of influenza viruses and remedies that have successfully treated influenza.
            https://worldwidechoice.org/influenzinum

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Don’t you love how Bubbles adores the word “nor?” He uses it in nearly every sentence.

          • joe

            You know that “Stupid people hater” accused me of being you. As for Bubbles, no hope for him.

          • Liam Mckinn

            and nor

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            If you don’t like it you know where you can shove it.

          • Liam McKinn

            lol

          • AutismDadd

            Someone enjoyed it Lowell

          • joe

            Gee when will you leave that alcohol alone?

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Really, where? False discreditation is all you have? To cowardly as well to use a real name and identity. How not impressive is that.

          • joe

            NO, not silly enough to use my real name.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            To cowardly, I know. If you have nothing to hide and its all good and reputable what you are doing, then is should be fine and out rightly honorable to oppose us so called mislead anti-vaxers. Even from within the medical establishment; but you know that the honor is not actually there when the truth comes out on the real situation with vaccines. You have nothing to fear from me unless you directly threaten me. As a fact.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “To cowardly,” It’s “too,” genius.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            One more cheap reply from the list in that worn out shillary manual.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            out rightly” Oh, look, another made-up term that you imagine makes you sound erudite. It doesn’t.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You so called Forsythe, coming from the deep sickness existing within the bowels of the pro-vaccine shillary movement, and in direct view of all of your juvenile level replies here; that makes you yourself sound actually about as erudite as a pasty faced circus clown looking for his next gig in small town circus show.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, my word. You’re still using that idiotic phrase? “False discreditation?” Don’t you know that “discreditation” isn’t a real word, Bubble? You were informed on multiple occasions and you just don’t seem to be available for learning.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            I will use any grammar that I chose to. This is as well a debate regarding vaccines, and it is not a spelling or grammar contest. If that is all you have to work with, then you have obviously lost the game and right from the start. When will you be available for any actual learning regarding the more harm than good done by vaccines?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “I will use any grammar that I chose to.” The word is “CHOOSE” to, idiot. You’re using present tense and you can’t even figure out the verb. You don’t get to make up your own language, ass-wipe.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Just another typo you piece of sick ass-wipe. I have been on this bullshit of yours for endless hours today and not every word is going to be perfect after 8 plus hours of typing. Obviously no one is making up another language here you sick piece of twisted and putred garbage.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “This is as well a debate ” I’m dying of laughter at you, using the same asinine word salads you have for years. I can just see you banging away on the second-hand keyboard you got at the dump, thinking that “this is as well…” is brilliant writing. You’re a joke, Bubble. You’ve always been a joke. You don’t have the slightest idea what antigens are, what adjuvants do, what ingredients in a vaccine are for or in what amounts they’re used, or anything else. You can’t understand a study and it shows in every post you vomit up.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            So how do you think that such personally attacking and directly false claims, are actually benefiting you? All you are demonstrating here is one example after another of your own falsely arrogant personal sickness. It is literally nothing but your own sick wish list of what you would have hoped to be existing and true, but never has been. In other words you are a dishonest liar that does nothing but falsely make it all up as you go.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            The minute you can cite a peer-reviewed study from a high impact journal and explain what it says in your own words, Bubble, do send up a flare.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You can see replied with here on this article many studies which have been replied with by me. Why can’t you address any of them? What, because they are not from your approved and connected so called high impact big pharma journals? In fact it is the lower impact journals that have the best scientific studies in them and because they are not biased and in that they remain largely independent. You know as well that so called and corrupt Gorski connected Retraction Watch has attempting to get retracted any study out there in any journal at all that directly puts forth the harm of vaccines. Yet the junk science studies are allowed to stand as is.

            Here is what they had to say about your so called high impact journals.

            Scientific fraud, within the big pharma directed allopathic medical journals.

            Scientific Bullshit — How ‘Science’ Is Used To Deceive The Public

            Did you know that there was a shocking study published in the Public Library of Science Journal, that found“up to 72%” of scientists admitted their colleagues were engaged in “questionable research practices,” and that just over 14% of them were engaged in outright “falsification”?[1]

            If that’s not bad enough, between 1977 and 1990 the FDA found scientific flaws in 10–20% of all the studies they audited.[2]

            But it gets even worse; scientists at the Thousand Oaks biotech firm Amgen, set out to double-check the results of 53 landmark published studies in their fields of cancer research and blood biology. What they found was shocking; only 6 of the 53 studies could be proven valid. That means almost 90% were flawed, yet passed off to the public as fact. [3]

            In other words, there’s a lot of scientific bullshit floating around my friends.

            This becomes especially concerning when we consider how “science” seems to have replaced organized religion as the new authority that should blindly be obeyed in many ways. People speak of it as if it is infallible, and anyone who questions the high priests of science are generally attacked, degraded, and dismissed as modern day heretics.

            But science, just like any religion, is not a god that only speaks unadulterated Truth. It is far from being infallible and is constantly in need of being updated, upgraded, challenged, revised, and changed, for the simple fact that science is subject to the narrow confines of mankind’s tiny flawed human perception; which is forever growing and expanding — and easily skewed by things like prejudice, pride, and corruption.

            In and of itself, science is obviously inanimate and can do neither good nor bad because it has no mind of its own. It is not a person, so we need to stop talking about science like it is a super hero. It is simply a vehicle that requires a driver, and the destination obviously differs from one driver to the next.

            https://anewkindofhuman.com/science-is-used-to-deceive-the-public/

            THE MANIPULATION OF SCIENCE STILL CONTINUES TODAY
            In more recent history, the Bush Administration got caught manipulating science to conform to their agenda. Big oil has likewise bribed scientists to parrot their narrative. Similarly, biotech giant Monsanto and the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) have also been caught engaging in this unethical practice together. This is not the first time Monsanto has been caught acting in this manner either. In Canada, a group of scientists testified that the GMO giant offered them a bribe of $1-2 million, and in Indonesia they were fined for engaging in bribery of a government official as well. Another biotech giant, Syngenta, hired scientists to discredit professor Tyrone Hayes, who conducted research that found out their herbicide Atrazine posed health risks to the population. Merck was taken to court by two scientists that claimed the Big Pharma giant manipulated tests concerning their mumps vaccine’s efficacy.

            Coca Cola was also caught paying scientists (to the tune of $132.8 million) to downplay the severity of consuming their sugary drinks, and other unhealthy products. In fact, corporations do this all the time. A perfect example, is a study conducted by the University of Colorado that claimed that diet soda was better at promoting healthy weight loss than water. Unsurprisingly, this study was funded by the soda industry.

            https://anewkindofhuman.com/science-is-used-to-deceive-the-public/

            NEJM editor: “No longer possible to believe much of clinical research published”

            Harvard Medical School’s Dr. Marcia Angell is the author of The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It. But more to the point, she’s also the former Editor-in-Chief at the New England Journal of Medicine, arguably one of the most respected medical journals on earth. But after reading her article in the New York Review of Books called Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption, one wonders if any medical journal on earth is worth anybody’s respect anymore.

            “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”

            Read more:
            https://ethicalnag.org/2009/11/09/nejm-editor/

            Former NEJM editors on the corruption of American medicine (NY Times)
            https://participatorymedicine.org/epatients/2012/03/former-nejm-editors-on-the-corruption-of-american-medicine-ny-times.html

            Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption
            Marcia Angell
            http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2009/01/15/drug-companies-doctorsa-story-of-corruption/

            Marcia Angell

            Marcia Angell (/ˈeɪndʒəl/; born April 20, 1939) is an American physician, author, and the first woman to serve as editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine. She is currently a Senior Lecturer in the Department of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts.[1][2]

            Read more:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcia_Angell

            Our Daily Meds: How the Pharmaceutical Companies Transformed Themselves into Slick Marketing Machines and Hooked the Nation on Prescription Drugs Hardcover – March 18, 2008
            by Melody Petersen (Author)
            https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0374228272?ie=UTF8&tag=thneyoreofbo-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0374228272

            EDITOR IN CHIEF OF WORLD’S BEST KNOWN MEDICAL JOURNAL: HALF OF ALL THE LITERATURE IS FALSE

            In the past few years more professionals have come forward to share a truth that, for many people, proves difficult to swallow. One such authority is Dr. Richard Horton, the current editor-in-chief of the Lancet – considered to be one of the most well respected peer-reviewed medical journals in the world.

            Dr. Horton recently published a statement declaring that a lot of published research is in fact unreliable at best, if not completely false.

            “The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness.” (source)

            This is quite distrubing, given the fact that all of these studies (which are industry sponsored) are used to develop drugs/vaccines to supposedly help people, train medical staff, educate medical students and more.

            Read more:
            http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/05/16/editor-in-chief-of-worlds-best-known-medical-journal-half-of-all-the-literature-is-false/

            Why Most Published Research Findings Are False

            Abstract

            Summary
            There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false. The probability that a research claim is true may depend on study power and bias, the number of other studies on the same question, and, importantly, the ratio of true to no relationships among the relationships probed in each scientific field. In this framework, a research finding is less likely to be true when the studies conducted in a field are smaller; when effect sizes are smaller; when there is a greater number and lesser preselection of tested relationships; where there is greater flexibility in designs, definitions, outcomes, and analytical modes; when there is greater financial and other interest and prejudice; and when more teams are involved in a scientific field in chase of statistical significance. Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias. In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.

            http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

            FLAWED MEDICAL RESEARCH MAY BE RUINING YOUR HEALTH & YOUR LIFE (IMPORTANT!)

            The Case Against Medical Research
            Medical research is fraught with incompetence, careerism, and fraud. In the April 15, 2015 edition of Lancet, the UKs leading medical journal, editor-in-chief Richard Horton stated: “The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue.”

            He ominously went on to say “…science has taken a turn toward darkness.”

            As early as 1996, voices were being raised against the scandal of medical research. Douglas G. Altman, head of Medical Statistics Laboratory in the UK, asked the following question in the British Medical Journal (BMJ):

            “What… should we think about researchers who use the wrong techniques (either willfully or in ignorance), use the right techniques wrongly, misinterpret their results, report their results selectively, cite the literature selectively, and draw unjustified conclusions?”

            His answer:

            “We should be appalled. Yet numerous studies of the medical literature… have shown that all of the above phenomena are common. This is surely a scandal.”

            In 2005 Dr. John P.A. Ioannidis, currently a professor in disease prevention at Stanford University, published the most widely accessed article in the history of the Public Library of Science (PLoS) entitled Why Most Published Research Findings Are False. In the report, he stated:

            “Therbad science 3e is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false.”

            And that “…in modern research, false findings may be the majority or even the vast majority of published research claims.”

            Ioannidis’ research model indicated that up to 80 percent of non-randomized research studies (the most common kind of study) are wrong, along with twenty-five percent of randomized trials (the supposed gold standard of research). Incredulously, these studies are published in top peer reviewed medical journals.

            These numbers indicate that much of what our physicians prescribe to us is wrong. Our doctors use research to inform their medical decisions – decisions like what drug to prescribe, what surgery to elect, and what health strategy to adopt. They are making crucial treatment decisions for depression, Alzheimer’s, type 2 Diabetes, cancer, obesity, etc. based on bad, incomplete or hidden medical research. Remember Vioxx, Hormone Replacement Therapy, anti-arrhythmia drugs, high carbohydrate diets? The lives of hundreds of thousands of people were damaged or ended prematurely.

            What’s Wrong with Medical Research?

            What’s Wrong with Medical Research?
            There are serious deficiencies in medical research that have an onerous impact on our well-being.

            Research Bias – Ioannidis defines bias as “the combination of various design, data, analysis, and presentation factors that tend to produce research findings when they should not be produced.” Many researchers enter their study with a specific finding in mind and, not surprisingly, they find it.

            Journalist David H. Freedman in Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science quotes Ioannidis:

            “At every step in the process, there is room to distort results, a way to make a stronger claim or to select what is going to be concluded,” and there is an “intellectual conflict of interest that pressures researchers to find whatever it is that is most likely to get them funded.”

            Bias can happen in numerous ways, such as how the research is designed, how the samples are selected, and how subjects are pressured, or though errors in data collection and measurement or publication bias. All of this leads to erroneous results and potentially disastrous medical advice.

            Publication Bias – various industries, governments, and regulatory agencies may severely distort the truth by omission. Nearly half of all research studies never see the light of day. According to Live Science:

            “Oftentimes, medical journals or pharmaceutical companies that sponsor research will report only “positive” results, leaving out the non-findings or negative findings where a new drug or procedure may have proved more harmful than helpful.” In other words, the truth is hidden.

            An example of this occurred with nearly 100,000 people dying from taking “safe” prescription anti-arrhythmic drugs in the 1980s. Or more recently, when none of the negative studies of the anti-depressant reboxitene were published.

            This leaves us and our doctors in the dark about the efficacy and safety of drugs and medical procedures. We are systematically being misled!

            See Dr. Ben Goldacre’s Ted Talk to learn more.

            Conflicts of Interest – many studies, especially drug studies, “…have the added corruptive force of financial conflict of interest.” The more embedded the financial and other interests in the outcome of a study, the more likely the findings are going to be false. Ioannidis’ own research found that conflicts of interest “are common in biomedical research and typically they are inadequately and sparsely reported.”

            Conflicts of interest are not limited to financial matters:

            “Many otherwise seemingly independent, university-based studies may be conducted for no other reason than to give physicians and researchers qualifications for promotion or tenure.”

            Research findings can be distorted by: small sample size, poor choice of methodology, and erroneous statistical analysis, all of which are widespread in medical research.

            What Can We Do to Protect Ourselves?

            Read more:
            http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/05/06/flawed-medical-research-may-be-ruining-your-health-your-life-important/

            Scientific Misconduct Should Be a Crime (Here in their biased and lying hypocrisy they attack Dr Andrew Wakefield in the claim and as if to say that this is an example of the only scientific fraud existing. Wakefiedl was NEVER a fraud and nor was his preliminary study on the MMR vaccine. Below you will find nearly 100 studies that support and as well replicate the findings in that 1998 now retracted Lancet paper. and all while their own scientific and paid off epidemiological studies continue to rule as the science being settled).

            http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2014/09/scientific_misconduct_should_be_a_crime_it_s_like_fraud_or_theft_only_more.html

            Research Refernces
            http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

            It’s as bad as fraud or theft, only potentially more dangerous.
            http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2014/09/scientific_misconduct_should_be_a_crime_it_s_like_fraud_or_theft_only_more.html

            Perspective
            Peer-Review Fraud — Hacking the Scientific Publication Process
            Charlotte J. Haug, M.D., Ph.D.
            http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1512330

            Preventing scientific misconduct

            Given the likely extent of scientific misconduct, new ideas for preventing it are welcome. However, more thought needs to be given to how to rank the elements of the “slippery slope between honest errors and intentional fraud” proposed by Magne Nylenna and Sigmund Simonsen (June 10, p 1882),1 at least as far as clinical research is concerned. If one assesses the sins they have ranked in terms of their potential for doing harm to patients, biased reporting of research surely has far more serious practical consequences than undeserved authorship and plagiarism.

            http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(06)69151-4/abstract

            This Is Why ‘Most Cancer Research Is Largely A Fraud,’ According To Scientists (and look at the cancer industry ads on this page, what should that tell you about their power and greed)?
            https://www.davidwolfe.com/cancer-research-fraud-scientists/

            Alternative Cancer Cures Exist and Have Been Suppressed – Kimberly Carter Gamble
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=aWRzikJ3iso

            PLoS Med. 2010 Oct; 7(10): e1000355.
            Published online 2010 Oct 26. doi: 10.1371/journal.pmed.1000355
            PMCID: PMC2964337
            Editors, Publishers, Impact Factors, and Reprint Income
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2964337/

            Monsanto Weed Killer Deserves Deeper Scrutiny As Scientific Manipulation Revealed
            https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/monsanto-weed-killer-deserves-deeper-scrutiny-as-scientific_us_58cc5541e4b0e0d348b34348

            Commentary: Should you put your trust in medical research?
            http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-medical-research-fraud-diet-chocolate-science-lancet-vaccination-perspec-0609-20150608-story.html

          • Demaris Forsythe

            AHAHHAA. Oh, look, more copy/paste from the legendary idiot, Bubble. You are so damn dumb, honey, it’s truly sad.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Actually what exists there is the top to bottom evidence that your so called peer reviewed science is near to being worthless.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “This is quite distrubing?” AAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. What a clown. Low-impact journals, you say? You mean the ones that are “pay to play,” dumbass?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Are you to stupid to know those are your own mainline journals? That is where the information came from; so maybe you should review it again. Of course in your sick arrogance you failed to review anything at all the first time. What should be disturbing to the public is that people like you even exist.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You know what I see? An imbecile who knows how to copy and paste. That is the entire skill set you possess, LOWBALLS.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            What I see here is an angry, crazed, twisted, and pathetic shill calling themselves Demaris Forsythe; that can’t handle the direct evidence of the truth. What I put in front of you comes from as well two of your so called most respected, and referred to as high impact journals. That direct information has nothing to do with me, and so you instead of dealing with it you choose to attempt to shoot the messenger instead. It looks a lot more like that you can’t handle truth and reality; wouldn’t you say. Oh, poor so called Demaris. And you yet want to talk about the existence of others being an imbecile.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “Comes from as well….’ Oh, look, more of the silly attempt to appear erudite. You wouldn’t know a “high impact journal” from your anus, dear. “And you yet want to talk…” More word salad. ” and so you instead of dealing with it you choose to attempt to shoot the messenger instead.” Gee, dude, ever hear of “redundancy?”

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            The NEJM and the Lancet are not your journals, then what are? Those are considered as high impact peer reviewed journals, and all while their editors have said that most of the studies can not be trusted. It has all been there right in front of you, and much more.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            No, dear. You can’t read. That is NOT what they are saying, you ass. They’re saying that the bullshit cherry-picked studies that YOU rely on are just that: bullshit. They are the studies the editors are talking about, fuckwit.

          • AutismDadd

            FalseAngel is a troll and a shill and fair game.

          • joe

            So says the king of trolls.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Trolls are people that have a serious conflict of interest, or a paycheck interest as to trolling the subject matter replied to. None of us have any of that, and common sense should tell you that.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I don’t get paid a dime, Bubbles. I make fun of your ignorance and stupidity for free.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You have been known for years as one of the the most sick and demonized shills, and as well to infiltrate the ranks of facebook on the pro-vax side, attempting as well to counter infiltrate the ranks of the pro-vaccine truth and the anti-vax side of it. You don’t do that for free and there is nothing you will not deny. Actually what is taking place here and repeatedly is that your own ignorance and stupidity is being exposed and handed back to you on a stick dripped in vinegar that keeps getting forced down your sick shillary throat. Talk all the denial you want there, Bubbles Shillary McGee.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “You have been known for years as one of the the most sick and demonized
            shills, and as well to infiltrate the ranks of facebook on the pro-vax
            side, attempting as well to counter infiltrate the ranks of the
            pro-vaccine truth and the anti-vax side of it.” I think you’re mad as hell that you’re not making any headway with your hilariously deranged and discombobulated posts, Bubble. I’m so sorry to have upset you. Please don’t drink, dear.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            I am obviously making more than headway here, and you can deny that all you want. Be sure you don’t try to sneak back in the back pages of my facebook account again, and unwanted your sick shill arse there, start replying again. You were blocked once, so you will need a different FB account. I am sure you have many.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, dear, those delusions of grandeur are surfacing again, Bubble. Time for you to get back on your anti-psychotic meds. Stolen any bikes lately?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            If anyone ever needed anti-psychotic meds, it surely is you.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I’m having an absolute blast watching you combust, LOWBALLS. It’s a hoot. And the SCREEN SHOTS? They’re golden. Every site I know of is getting plastered with examples of your idiocy. It’s divine. THANK YOU EVER SO MUCH!!!!

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            The sick and bullshit low life pro-vax pages on facebook that you go to mean nothing to me and/or anyone else that represents the vaccine truth. You can sit in your sick hell pits like demons, and mentally defective and crazed minded whoop it up all you want.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Of course real evidence means nothing to you because you’re a broken-down drunk who craves attention and can’t read or write.

          • AutismDadd

            WOW. The KING. Has a nice ring to it…thank you, thank you very much…

          • AutismDadd

            Butt kisser

          • tomonthebay

            Nonsheep should change his name to uneducated.

          • joe

            He does not have to, we all KNOW he is uneducated.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Where does YOUR education come from? You know where that is. The brainwashed directive of big pharma. Some of us have moved far beyond that and we actually became educated to the facts, and the real science as well.

          • joe

            What is your level of Education?

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            The real question is how much independent unbiased research have you actually done in regard to vaccines and the real and existing vaccine safety study science? I have done that research for the past 10 years, and you? You should know by now that no Pediatrician and/or MD has any of that, and unless they continue that education on their own.

            Here is a list of doctors and health care practitioners that have actually done that. Included is as well what they have to say on it all.

            Doctors Speaking Out On The Harm Of Vaccines
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/doctors-speaking-out-on-the-harm-of-vaccines.html

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “I have done that research for the past 10 years, ” AHAHAHAHA. Oh, do tell. And where is your lab? What studies have you published and in what journals, LOWBALLS?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            How low are the balls on a person like you that demands to vaccinate a new born with an aluminum adjuvanted vaccine that also contains the short and long chain DNA fragmented contamination from the cells of aborted babies? I bet you confirmed that as being safe in your lab?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            He barely graduated from high school.

          • joe

            Actually I do not think he finished Primary School, I just ignore him.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            YOUR “education” ended at 12th grade, you dolt. You’re not a doctor. You’re not a scientist. YOu’re an idiot.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Demaris Forsythe is well known as one the sickest, in denial, and the most evil shills to ever post a reply. Deeply ingrained within the pro-vax “sillary” network Doctors have no education in vaccines, period. Perhaps you should actually educate yourself instead of only conducting personal attacks and with no actually refuting substance provided for in your replies. No truth would ever be enough for you and you still must deny is. Pack up and leave evil one. Your ilk filled putrid and obvious sickness has all along been far to obvious.

            Dr Neides explains the lack of doctor education on vaccines, and much more. An emotional response to the public.
            https://www.facebook.com/VaXismVideos/videos/256813741522647/?hc_location=ufi

            How much does Medical School teach about Vaccines?
            Six doctors who have administered vaccines in their practiced are all asked the same question. When you were in medical school, how much education regarding vaccines was provided before you were permitted to administer them?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rp9YNMNlxQ

            “Consult Your Doctor” on Vaccines? Medical Doctors Receive Little to No Training on Vaccines in Medical School
            https://vaccineimpact.com/2016/consult-your-doctor-on-vaccines-medical-doctors-receive-little-to-no-training-on-vaccines-in-medical-school/

            Are Doctors Experts On Vaccines?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0Br6YXlEA

            How Much Is Taught on Vaccines In Medical School? Forrest Maready
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQvtnQ7VXA

            How Much Money Do Pediatricians Really Make From Vaccines?

            So how much money do doctors really make from vaccines? The average American pediatrician has 1546 patients, though some pediatricians see many more. The vast majority of those patients are very young, perhaps because children transition to a family physician or stop visiting the doctor at all as they grow up. As they table above explains, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated child. If your pediatrician has just 100 fully-vaccinated patients turning 2 this year, that’s $40,000. Yes, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays your doctor a $40,000 bonus for fully vaccinating 100 patients under the age of 2. If your doctor manages to fully vaccinate 200 patients, that bonus jumps to $80,000.

            But here’s the catch: Under Blue Cross Blue Shield’s rules, pediatricians lose the whole bonus unless at least 63% of patients are fully vaccinated, and that includes the flu vaccine. So it’s not just $400 on your child’s head–it could be the whole bonus. To your doctor, your decision to vaccinate your child might be worth $40,000, or much more, depending on the size of his or her practice.

            If your pediatrician recommends that your child under the age of 2 receive the flu vaccine–even though the flu vaccine has never been studied in very young children and evidence suggests that the flu vaccine actually weakens a person’s immune system over the long term–ask yourself: Is my doctor more concerned with selling me vaccines to keep my child healthy or to send his child to private school?

            Read more:
            https://wellnessandequality.com/2016/06/20/how-much-money-do-pediatricians-really-make-from-vaccines/

            The Unknown Reasons Doctors Push Vaccines

            Blue Cross, Blue Shield, Blue Care Network of Michigan publishes online a shameless and bold report of how much cash they reward physicians for performing certain tests, and which apparently acts as an incentive to over-prescribe, thus inflating the costs of U.S. healthcare, which should be illegal.

            Blue Cross/Blue Shield published the 2016 Performance Recognition Program, a 28-page report indicating how medical insurance companies actually increase the costs of healthcare!

            Look what we find on the BC/BS page “Childhood Immunizations—Combo 10”!

            If MDs meet a target of 63% of eligible member patients, they will receive a payout of $400 per completed eligible member. Wow! Now you know one of the key reasons why parents are hounded to vaccinate their infants and toddlers. Gelt, pecunia, greenbacks—whatever you call M-O-N-E-Y.

            Read MORE:
            http://www.activistpost.com/2017/08/unknown-reasons-doctors-push-vaccines.html

            On the Crime of Heresy Against the Vaccine Religion
            by Jeremy R. Hammond | Apr 29, 2017
            https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2017/04/29/on-the-crime-of-heresy-against-the-vaccine-religion/

            When Federal Grants Come With Vaccine Mandates
            http://www.activistpost.com/2017/04/federal-grants-come-vaccine-mandates.html

            Big Pharma and Big Profits: The Multibillion Dollar Vaccine Market
            New Report says “Vaccine Market” Worth $61 Billion by 2020
            https://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-big-profits-the-multibillion-dollar-vaccine-market/5503945

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, look! The moron who can’t even manage to figure out punctuation is having a hissy-fit again. It’s hilarious to watch you stomp around, you pin-head.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            And there is it and right in front of you; the direct evidence that doctors get no actual training in regard to vaccines. We can clearly see as well who is actually having the hissy-fit here. And you actually find that said information to be hilarious? You refuse to face and admit to the truth. The real pin-head continues to put forth only hate filled and mindless rants like that.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “We”? Who’s “we,” Bubble-head? You have no idea what doctors learn; you’ve never been closer to a medical school classroom than the broom closet outside. You’re a silly old coot who can’t even write a coherent sentence.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You have it right there in front of you directly and the evidence of your own doctors stating directly that they did not get squat for training on vaccines. Again that has nothing to do with me as the messenger of that information. Yet you choose to make again a personal attack, and on the evidence of the truth. Now, who does that actually make a pro-vax bubble had out of, you or me?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Nope. All you’ve done is post more cherry-picked shite, you idiot. You can’t write your way out of a paper bag, you ass. You don’t have any idea what ANY of those studies says at all. “Now, who does that actually make a pro-vax bubble had out of, you or me?” What, pray tell, is a “bubble had,” cupcake? You are doing nothing but copy/pasta, you dimwitted dolt. You have absolutely no idea what a study says or how to evaluate it.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Another angry and insane rant denying the truth; imagine that.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Too bad you can’t seem to cite any studies. Anyone with a shred of education could post a link to an actual study and not have to resort to some bogus site. Sad that you’re such a loser.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Actually my replies have been full of lists of studies, if you had actually looked. How about if you start with this.

            Influenza Vaccine Causes Illness and Immune Dysfunction
            http://vaccinepapers.org/influenza-vaccine-immune-suppression/

          • Demaris Forsythe

            The truth is that vaccines are far safer than the diseases they prevent. You have presented not one shred of evidence that shows otherwise. The minute you can post evidence that serious adverse events caused by vaccines occur more frequently than complications of VPDs, you’ll have won. Why can’t you do that, Bubbles?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            I have already done that, read your replies.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “You have it right there in front of you directly and the evidence of your own doctors” Not one of those quacks is my doctor, you idiot. My doctor took and passed multiple classes in microbiology, you stupid sack of shit. YOU, on the other hand, can’t even spell “microbiology.” You have to copy it and paste it. You’re a fraud, LOWBALLS. Dorit proved it when she told you to explain what flaws you found in a study you criticized and you fell on your ass in front of everyone. You’re a joke, Bubble. A joke.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Your doctor is so special that they are a cut above all other doctors and the cross section of doctors that were just put in front of you. And the doctors interviewed in the information I put forth and testified directly that they received literally no training on the biological and physiological effect of vaccines, are what? Some sort of medical school flunkies that somehow missed their classes? And in your sick and disgusting in denial arrogance, you actually expect people to believe that.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            My doc beats yours.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Why do you reply twice to every reply I make. Are you just upping your number of paid per posts? All of your docs are the same in regard to the lack of training they get in medical school, in regard to vaccines. How about if you just admit it and face it.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I don’t care what you believe. i care what you can prove. You’ve shown you can’t provide any evidence you didn’t copy and paste from a shite site. Case closed, doofus.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            I just more than proved to you that doctors do not get any form of adequate training in regard to vaccines; and that was stated directly by several doctors. Nothing would ever be enough for you. You as well have no ability to show any curriculum where doctors get anything more than what those said doctors stated and as described. That should have been the first effort you made and to show that, but you produced nothing and you never will. Why? Because what I put forth is the direct truth.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I’m dying of laughter at you, stomping around like a little Rumpelstiltskin, Bubble. Your OUTRAGE at being outed as a fraud is delicious. Your tears are yuuummmmmy. “Yet you choose to make again a personal attack, and on the evidence of the truth.” Oh, look, more bloated verbiage signifying nothing. You think that you appear brilliant when you vomit up these nonsensical strings of words. You don’t. You look stupid. And beyond silly. Like a little boy who just learned the word “penis,” and imagines he’s got everyone impressed.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            I have no outrage and I have enjoyed exposing you for what you are. The sheer insanity and the crazed juvenile level of madness within the continued wording of your hate filled replies, is additionally more than enough evidence of your obvious failure and that of your said exposure. That is all you can do.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Of course you have outrage, honey. That’s the only reason you’re here. You’re mad as fuck that nobody has any respect for you. Tough shit, dear.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            In your sick and serious delusions you are actually telling me that you think anyone at all would have ever have any respect for so called Demaris Forsythe. Oh yaa your replying here commands so much respect, and for what? Crazed personal attacks and lying? Who would that be and amount to, the sick shills that joined the shillary along side of you? Let me know when there exists even one shred of honesty within you.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I haven’t lied about a thing. You have. You are just too ill to realize it.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I’d love to see you use MORE words, Bubble Balls. It’s so fucking funny to see you try to insert as many meaningless syllables as possible into every reply. Tell us all again about the ‘spelling be.’

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Obviously then you are having difficulty comprehending even as much basic English.

            Targeted harassment — posted or encouraged others to post harassing comments or hate speech targeting me, other individuals, or groups … I wish I had a dollar for every time I have checked that so far. .

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Dude. It’s time for your shift at Mickey D’s. Better get that badge and uniform, dear.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            I see that you have already done your shift change. No longer the same person replying. Never worked there, never will.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You. Hands down. You’re the dumbest anti-vaccine moron on the web. Ever.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            So all you have in response is more personal insults. No truth, no actual refute, just nothing but that. Prove me wrong, you can’t do it.

            Again, you have the truth right in front of you and the evidence that doctors have received little to no training in regard to vaccines other than learning the vaccine schedule and how to administer vaccines. No training in even as much as what is in the vaccines, and they are basically taught to ignore it. They as well learn early on that questioning anything at all is not part of the learning agenda. They basically tell them vaccinate or everyone will die of VPDs, end of education. Question nothing. No training as to any physiological aspects to vaccines, no explanation as to what makes them actually safe, nothing. No training on how to recognize a vaccine reaction much more a serious adverse reaction. No training on what to do for a serious and neurologically damaging reaction; but obviously that they should deny it as it just doesn’t happen. No information on correctly reporting to VAERS; and just vaccinate, PERIOD. No training on the below information, nothing.

            The medical textbook definition of an adverse vaccine reaction: (Merck Manual)

            Encephalitis (excerpted)

            Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain that occurs when a virus directly infects the brain or when a virus, vaccine, or something else triggers inflammation. The spinal cord may also be involved, resulting in a disorder called encephalomyelitis.

            People may have a fever, headache, or seizures, and they may feel sleepy, numb, or confused.

            Magnetic resonance imaging of the head and a spinal tap are usually done.

            Treatment involves relieving symptoms and sometimes using antiviral drugs.

            Encephalitis is most commonly due to viruses, such as herpes simplex, herpes zoster, cytomegalovirus, or West Nile virus. It can occur in the following ways:

            A virus directly infects the brain.

            A virus that caused an infection in the past becomes reactivated and directly damages the brain.

            A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).

            Sometimes bacteria cause encephalitis, usually as part of bacterial meningitis (called meningoencephalitis).

            Autoimmune encephalitis
            After certain viral infections or vaccines, the body’s immune system sometimes attacks the layers of tissue that wrap around nerve fibers (called the myelin sheath) in the brain and spinal cord. The attack occurs because proteins in myelin resemble those in the virus. As a result, nerve transmission becomes very slow. The resulting disorder, called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, resembles multiple sclerosis except that symptoms do not come and go as they do in multiple sclerosis. The viruses most often involved include enteroviruses, Epstein-Barr virus, hepatitis A or B virus, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), and influenza viruses.

            An autoimmune encephalitis may also develop if the immune system produces antibodies that attack proteins on the surface of nerve cells called N-methyl-d-aspartate (NMDA) receptors. The resulting encephalitis is called anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis. Some evidence suggests that anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis is a more common type of encephalitis than was previously thought.

            Symptoms of Encephalitis
            Before symptoms of encephalitis start, people may have digestive symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, or abdominal pain. Or they may feel as if they are getting a cold or the flu and have cough, fever, a sore throat, a runny nose, swollen lymph nodes, and muscle aches.

            Symptoms of encephalitis include

            Fever

            Headache

            Personality changes or confusion

            Seizures

            Paralysis or numbness

            Sleepiness that can progress to coma and death

            People may vomit and have a stiff neck, but these symptoms tend to be less common and less severe than when caused by meningitis.

            http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/brain-spinal-cord-and-nerve-disorders/brain-infections/encephalitis

            ——

            10 Signs of Vaccine Reaction and Damage

            #1 High-Pitched Crying or Arching Back

            High-pitched crying and discomfort, such as arching the back when laid down, is a clear indication of encephalitis, brain inflammation, which is a common vaccine reaction. Large amounts of bacteria, viruses, and toxins create a hyper- immune response, prompting severe, sometimes deadly, inflammation in the brain.

            If your child will not sleep, is uncomfortable, and crying incessantly post vaccination (up to 21 plus days), take them to the emergency room immediately.

            #2 Severe Swelling at Site

            Severe inflammation at the injection site can be a sign of an allergic reaction or other hyper- immune reaction. Review the vaccine insert (before vaccinating) and try to outline what allergy (peanut, milk, egg) may have been created. If your doctor cannot explain what reaction occurred, then you should consider not vaccinating to prevent any further damage.

            Read the vaccine insert before vaccinating, and be sure the doctor is using the correct method of injection. Injecting in the incorrect method can deliver a serious reaction.

            #3 High Fever and/or Febrile Seizures

            Tell me where in nature you would normally be exposed to upwards of ten bacteria and viruses at once? Nope, never. So when your child receives this many immune threats (accompanied by toxins) at once, your immune system goes into overdrive.

            This can produce a very high fever, and if the fever moves up or down in temperature fast enough, a febrile seizure. Head to the emergency room, and demand a review of your child’s health if a febrile seizure or fever lasting over 3 days is seen post vaccination, as other vaccine reactions are likely occurring.

            #4 Rash

            A rash is simply a toxin leaving your body through your skin. A rash post-vaccination can be caused by the virus vaccinated against (measles, for example), or an allergic reaction producing eczema. If your child develops a rash, monitor the child for the symptoms of the vaccinated virus or bacteria, and consider eliminating any possible allergies created by the vaccine. Your child may also be detoxing the large quantities of adjuvants in the vaccine through the skin.

            #5 Eczema, Allergies and Asthma

            Vaccines were designed to sensitize your immune system to viruses and bacteria. Although many immunologists and doctors warn that this process does not work the same via muscular and blood injection versus introducing a substance through normal means of the mouth, nose, and eyes (to pass through your immune system process regularly and the vast immune system in your gut), many still trust in the theory of vaccination.

            When you vaccinate, you are surely sensitizing your child to not only the bacteria and virus, but also the food and chemical additives in the vaccine, which include milk proteins, other human and animal proteins, egg, peanut and much more. If your vaccinated child develops eczema, allergies or asthma, which are all autoimmune responses to allergies, you need to consider stopping vaccination to not worsen the allergy.

            #6 Anaphylaxis and Slowed Breathing Patterns

            If your child’s breathing post vaccination (see suggestion below to get a breathing monitor and use overnight for at least one month following every round of vaccines, if you vaccinate) is delayed or slowed, it is cause to make a trip to the emergency room and check for allergic response or brain damage.

            Anaphylactic shock is also a common vaccine reaction, where your airways (or other body systems) go into shock from an autoimmune, allergic response. If your child has responded in this way to vaccines, it is time to stop, and review the possible allergies created.

            #7 Loss of Facial and Eye Symmetry and Itching/Numbness in Extremities

            When your immune system responds to a threat, it produces more white blood cells. Your white blood cells are substantially larger than your red, and this becomes an issue when your immune system is kicked into overdrive and delivers large quantities of white blood cells to your smallest blood vessels, your capillaries. Your capillaries are so small that white blood vessels have to squeeze through one by one.

            The smallest of these vessels are located in your hands, feet, nose and brain, particularly by the area which controls speech. When too many white blood cells are released, they cannot squeeze through and the blood and oxygen supply is limited for a period of time, and if severe enough, forever. This causes stroke in the brain, and can be seen by loss of facial asymmetry (one side of the face looks different than the other) and loss of tone around the eyes, cheeks, and mouth.

            You would also feel this, if happening in your extremities rather your brain, as tingling, burning or numbing. Your child may not be able to articulate this to you, but if you see them generally uncomfortable, struggling with using those parts, or pulling at the parts, I would consider a possible reaction and a trip to the emergency room.

            #8 Bacterial or Viral Infection

            As noted above, vaccines are designed to sensitize your system to a bacteria or virus. Theoretically, every time you vaccinate, you get that bacterial or viral illness. If your child falls ill post vaccination, bring them back to your pediatrician and demand that the child be examined for the illness against which they were vaccinated. It’s likely that your doctor will ignore your requests and be adamant that the vaccine cannot cause the disease.

            Vaccine-strain illnesses, such as asymptomatic measles, are often more serious than the wild version of the disease, so you need to be extra vigilant and require the doctor to treat your child. (If your doctor refuses, take your child to another doctor or to an emergency room. Pride is not a valid reason to not treat a child).

            #9 Vomiting and Diarrhea

            Since your child will be receiving the bacteria or viral illness vaccinated against, as well as a load of other toxins and allergenic substances, their bodies will try to detox these substances post vaccination. This is a vaccine reaction. If your child exhibits vomiting or diarrhea for a day or more post vaccination, have your doctor or an emergency room evaluate the child for the diseases against which they were vaccinated (and treat them for dehydration and the disease).

            #10 Behavioral Changes, Attention and Aggression Issues

            A normally functioning child does not regress (lose speech, lose eye contact and social interaction) for no reason. Heavy metal toxicity, loss of oxygen to critical areas of the brain and a body in constant hyper-immune response lead to a child who cannot function and develop.

            If you notice your child losing abilities once mastered, exhibiting attention or aggression issues, or withdrawing from social interaction, you are likely viewing a vaccine reaction. The good news is that there are many natural ways to detox and heal vaccine damage. Check out The Thinking Mom’s Revolution if this has happened to your child, and explore how you can truly heal against heavy metal, vaccine damage.

            If your child has had a vaccine reaction, it’s never too late to research vaccines and choose to build natural immunity and a healthy lifestyle instead. You should also look into detoxing from the vaccine toxins. If you still choose to vaccinate, consider a delayed schedule and using a breathing monitor.

            If you suspect damage, do not take “this could not be from the vaccine you had 3 days ago” from your doctor. Your child deserves better than a denial of clear symptoms because of pride. Find a doctor who is willing to help you, even if it’s a chiropractor, naturopath, or biomedical doctor.

            http://www.modernalternativehealth.com/2016/03/18/10-signs-of-vaccine-reaction-and-damage/

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Yawn. More copy-paste from someone who can’t read or write beyond the level of a 3rd grader. The only studies you post are cherry-picked manure you copy and paste from shite-sites. You’re a dolt, dear, and the only one who doesn’t know it is you. Doctors receive years of education that you can’t even begin to access. Your brain is pickled, dude.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            That is not what the doctors are putting forth and the ones that are honest. They state directly that they received almost zero actual training in regard to vaccines. Lie about it and deny it all you want.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            More gibberish. You have provided ZERO evidence that doctors receive no training in regard to vaccines, you fuckwit. You are posting what you read on anti-vaccine sites, not facts. You know nothing whatsoever about the education doctors get in medical school, you stooge. Your pickled brain doesn’t recognize that you’re reading bullshit, not information. How do you manage to tie your own shoes?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “They as well….blah, blah, blah y blah.” You honestly have no idea how stupid this phrase makes you look, do you? Wow. You are truly brain-dead.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            The reality of this is exactly this. For you to ignore that vaccine truth information as not being important information, actually represents a person (you) that is truly brain-dead.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            More gibberish. You haven’t been able to show a shred of evidence from any credible source and you can’t even express yourself in writing at an 8th grade level. You imagine your bloated and convoluted verbiage makes you look educated. It does exactly the opposite.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Modern Alternative MAMA?? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. OMFG. This is an idiot who didn’t take her child to a doctor when the kid had a fucking broken ARM, you fucking dumbass! And you think SHE is an authority??? Your posts are truly comedy gold, dude. The screen shots are going to get tons of laughs! THANK YOU for proving yet again that you have absolutely no idea what constitutes a valid source. It is truly hilarious to watch you have a shit fit and then post this!

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Again this is nearly the same information from the Merck manual. These are things every parent should know and needs to know. Most doctors do not even know of this information, as they were never educated to it in medical school.

            The medical textbook definition of an adverse vaccine reaction: (Merck Manual)

            Encephalitis (excerpted)

            Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain that occurs when a virus directly infects the brain or when a virus, vaccine, or something else triggers inflammation. The spinal cord may also be involved, resulting in a disorder called encephalomyelitis.

            People may have a fever, headache, or seizures, and they may feel sleepy, numb, or confused.

            Magnetic resonance imaging of the head and a spinal tap are usually done.

            Treatment involves relieving symptoms and sometimes using antiviral drugs.

            Encephalitis is most commonly due to viruses, such as herpes simplex, herpes zoster, cytomegalovirus, or West Nile virus. It can occur in the following ways:

            A virus directly infects the brain.

            A virus that caused an infection in the past becomes reactivated and directly damages the brain.

            A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).

            Sometimes bacteria cause encephalitis, usually as part of bacterial meningitis (called meningoencephalitis).

            Autoimmune encephalitis
            After certain viral infections or vaccines, the body’s immune system sometimes attacks the layers of tissue that wrap around nerve fibers (called the myelin sheath) in the brain and spinal cord. The attack occurs because proteins in myelin resemble those in the virus. As a result, nerve transmission becomes very slow. The resulting disorder, called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, resembles multiple sclerosis except that symptoms do not come and go as they do in multiple sclerosis. The viruses most often involved include enteroviruses, Epstein-Barr virus, hepatitis A or B virus, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), and influenza viruses.

            An autoimmune encephalitis may also develop if the immune system produces antibodies that attack proteins on the surface of nerve cells called N-methyl-d-aspartate (NMDA) receptors. The resulting encephalitis is called anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis. Some evidence suggests that anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis is a more common type of encephalitis than was previously thought.

            Symptoms of Encephalitis
            Before symptoms of encephalitis start, people may have digestive symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, or abdominal pain. Or they may feel as if they are getting a cold or the flu and have cough, fever, a sore throat, a runny nose, swollen lymph nodes, and muscle aches.

            Symptoms of encephalitis include

            Fever

            Headache

            Personality changes or confusion

            Seizures

            Paralysis or numbness

            Sleepiness that can progress to coma and death

            People may vomit and have a stiff neck, but these symptoms tend to be less common and less severe than when caused by meningitis.

            http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/brain-spinal-cord-and-nerve-disorders/brain-infections/encephalitis

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “Most doctors do not even know…..” AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA. Wow, you are some special kind of stupid, SLOWBALLS. You have no education AT ALL. You are delusional if you think that doctors don’t know more than you ever will about vaccines. How fucking stupid ARE you to think that doctors don’t know the Merck manual? It’s in every office, you slob.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Nope.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Nope what? Of course it is nope, you refuse the direct information, and again. You have nothing, and you never will have, so just face it.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            It’s absolutely hilarious that you still think sources like “vaccine impact” are anything but jokes, dude. When are you going to grow a brain and learn some science?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            What is actually hilarious here is that you can actually respond directly to nothing. When are you going to grow a brain, get honest, and realize that you actually have no science? How much evidence of that would you need?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Honey, it’s a hoot when you type “science” as if you actually knew anything about the subject. You’re a boob, dear. You’re the only one who isn’t in on the joke that is you.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            And all you continue to have here is more lies, more falsely based harassment, and more attempted sick personal attacks. You continue to reply like some crazed, mindless, and twisted juvenile delinquent. You fail again and again to put forth anything at all of substance in regard to the vaccine issues debate. You do nothing but continue to waste my time.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            What “lies,” Bubbles? What “falsely based harassment?” What “sick personal attacks?” “You do nothing but continue to waste my time.” Oh, really? And your time is valuable to whom, honey? Do tell me, what am I keeping you from? Writing a novel? Winning the Nobel? Who’s holding a gun to your empty head and forcing you to respond here, cupcake? What is it I’m keeping you from, exactly? Are you in your lab, conducting studies? Of what? How to smoke a doobie?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            It exists in every reply you make. Who is holding a gun to your empty head and forcing YOU to respond? Do tell? It must get costly to run even a second shift of only more bullshit replying under Demaris Forsythe. So who is paying for that?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “Who is holding a gun to your empty head and forcing YOU to respond? ” You must be drunk again. YOU are the one bitching and moaning about how your time is being wasted, you stupid fuck.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “You continue to reply like some crazed, mindless, and twisted juvenile delinquent.” Hey, you’re free to stop reading at any point, you witless wonder. Why are you still here if you have anything better to do? Oh, wait. You have nothing better to do. You have nothing at all to do other than to masturbate here. You’re a lonely, lost old drunk with no job, no education, and no life. That’s why you’re here and mad as fucking hell that you’re not “respected.” Loser.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You sure like to try to misinform, and lie a lot. Is that all you have? Obviously so. So what are you doing here if you have any other life. I work rotating shifts and every other weekend, so this is not my only home and hobby like it is obviously yours. How is it that you think that your obvious sickness somehow directs respect for you? Anyone that replies with sick garbage like that is the true loser.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            What have I lied about? You stole a bike. You’re uneducated. You are a drunk. You don’t know how to read or evaluate a study. You don’t have any critical thinking skills because you never earned more than a high school diploma (probably not even that: it’s more likely you got a GED).

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You stupid git. BCBS uses an incentive program because vaccination prevents diseases. Treating these diseases is far more expensive than preventing them. You’re such a goober.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            And again you have no evidence for anything you have stated here, and all you did was put forth again just another pro-vax claim filled with false vaccine propaganda. And you have no cures for anything. What, the dangerous and unproven Tamiflu, or other similar antiviral, and that for many cause only additional immune system dysregulation and with to many cases a resulting quick death due to shut down of the immune system, resulting sepsis and death.

            Tamiflu Deception – Learn The Real Truth
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/tamiflu-deception—learn-the-real-truth.html

            Again, toxic and known contaminated vaccines actually cause increased levels of immune system dysregulation, chronic disorders, illnesses, and autoimmune disorders. How expensive to the vaccinated, is that; in terms of illness, disability, and cost? And you are the one doing the mindless name calling, here? Wow,

            Do you WANT to understand what toxic and known contaminated vaccines, are really doing to the immune system? Go here. (The immune system dysregulation created by vaccines).

            Raw science actually supports Antivaxxers: vaccines utterly DESTROY cellular immunity

            The myth that vaccines work is attributed to observations of mammals who recovered from infections with microorganisms that obtained natural immunity from future viruses. Although these observations seem to support vaccinations, raw science reveals that vaccines actually destroy cellular immunity.

            Understanding the reciprocal nature of B-cells and T-cells

            Adjuvants in vaccines cause further immune system damage

            Read more:
            http://www.vaccines.news/2016-02-25-raw-science-actually-supports-antivaxxers-vaccines-utterly-destroy-cellular-immunity.html

            T-cell Vaccines Could Treat Elusive Diseases
            https://www.technologyreview.com/s/428359/t-cell-vaccines-could-treat-elusive-diseases/

            How Vaccines Dysregulate The Immune System
            http://gdsajj.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/how-vaccines-dysregulate-the-immune-system/

            Vaccine Caused Allergies, Asthma, and More
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/vaccine-caused-allergies-asthma-and-more.html

            Vaccinations Cause Chronic Immune System Dysregulation
            http://www.liveto110.com/vaccinations-cause-chronic-immune-system-dysregulation/

            How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences
            http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

            Influenza Vaccine Causes Illness and Immune Dysfunction
            http://vaccinepapers.org/influenza-vaccine-immune-suppression/

            Vaccines And Immune Suppression.
            http://preventdisease.com/news/articles/vaccines_and_immune_suppresion.shtml

            Do Vaccines Disable The Immune System?
            http://www.healthychild.com/do-vaccines-disable-the-immune-system

            Are vaccines causing RSV and other diseases
            http://www.unhealthyearth.com/2013/01/are-vaccines-causing-rsv-and-other.html

            Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
            http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

            Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
            How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
            http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

            Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
            http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

            An Immune Disorder at the Root of Autism
            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html/?pagewanted=all&_r=0

            Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
            Vargas DL, et al. Ann Neurol. 2005.
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15546155/

            Vaccine Papers
            An Objective Look at Vaccine Dangers
            http://vaccinepapers.org/

            A Mouse Model for the Immune Dysregulation Subtype of Autism, (And they would still claim to that there is no way vaccines have and can cause autism? That conclusion is of course clearly preposterous.)
            http://tacanowblog.com/2012/07/23/a-mouse-model-for-the-immune-dysregulation-subtype-of-autism/

            Vaccines and Autism, ADHD and Asthma
            Immunizations and the Immunocompromised

            “Yet, no doctor is trained to look for this type of immunodeficiency and/or the kind of immune dysregulation that multiple vaccine can cause; which lead to so called inflammatory syndromes and resulting overactivation of the brains microglia cells and resulting chronic levels of brain inflammation now ever more increasingly found in studies of those with autism. Vaccine aluminum adjuvants in several studies have been fund as well to in itself cause this stated inflammation.

            http://www.epidemicanswers.org/vaccines-and-autism-adhd-and-asthma/

            Immune Deficiencies
            Antibodies (or Immunoglobins)

            Concentrations of IL-12 and interferon gamma are much higher in the blood of children with autism than in normal children, indicating an immune activation, possibly due to adverse vaccine reactions. An optimal immune response to Candida infections necessitates a finely tuned balance of interferon gamma production; the dysregulation of the immune system, caused by IL-12-induced increases in gamma interferon, leads to increased Candida susceptibility in animals.

            Read more:
            http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home/eng/immunedeficiencies.asp

            The immune response in autism: a new frontier for autism research

            Immune aberrations consistent with a dysregulated immune response, which so far, have been reported in autistic children, include abnormal or skewed T helper cell type 1 (TH1)/TH2 cytokine profiles, decreased lymphocyte numbers, decreased T cell mitogen response, and the imbalance of serum immunoglobulin levels. In addition, autism has been linked with autoimmunity and an association with immune-based genes including human leukocyte antigen (HLA)-DRB1 and complement C4 alleles described.

            Read more:
            http://www.jleukbio.org/content/80/1/1.long

            Study links vaccine induced immune overload to autism, diabetes, obesity

            Autism
            Type 1 diabetes
            Asthma
            Food allergies
            Many autoimmune diseases
            Obesity
            Type 2 diabetes
            Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFL)
            Metabolic disease.

            Read more:
            http://www.sott.net/article/279911-Study-links-vaccine-induced-immune-overload-to-autism-diabetes-obesity
            http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_30175.cfm

            Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases

            Conclusion: This suggests that patients with autoimmune autism likely represent a large subset of patients with autism and that the etiology of the epidemic of autoimmune/inflammation mediated autism in children is likely to be related to the etiolog

          • zoodany

            Don’t answer him.
            He is a troll. He can’t even function properly or use his own head. Brainwashed. That’s it. Whatever you will say he will just be rude. It’s like discussing with a 3 years old boy… Pointless. He tries to insult to feel himself as a real man.
            There are THOUSANDS of studies that show how dangerous vaccines could be.
            He talks about science without even know what does it mean…

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, look, the two numbskulls giving each other hair-pats. You can’t post a shred of evidence that vaccines’ risks outweigh their benefits. The minute you can post a link to evidence that shows that serious adverse events caused by vaccine occur more frequently than complications of the diseases they prevent, you’ll have won the argument. You can’t. They don’t. You two don’t have a brain cell between you.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/08/19/do-doctors-get-paid-to-vaccinate/ “So what if insurers pay out providers a benefit when they vaccinate? This
            is about saving money, in the long run. Insurance companies save money
            when children are healthy. They lose money when children are chronically
            ill or hospitalized. This incentive is PROOF that vaccines work and
            save insurance companies money.”

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            So by that article you posted, we are to believe that the state of Michigan is the only state that has the stated The Physician Alliance Blue Cross Blue Shield Incentive Program, and after the knowledge was out they decided to: Update 4/30/2017: After Wellness & Equality published this article, Blue Cross Blue Shield locked online access to their incentive program and then removed the page altogether. Clearly this incentive program was never intended to be public knowledge and created a bit of PR issue for them. Fortunately, another website managed to save the entire BCBS incentive program booklet and has published it in entirety online… You can read it here: Blue Cross Blue Shield Physician Incentive Program (in the same article link I provided).

            Michigan is obviously not the only state to be provided that program by Blue Cross Blue Shield. Your highly biased article repeatedly refers to that the only people that have allegedly misunderstood this are the people that they term as people opposed to vaccines (POTVs); and as if everyone else understands it correctly, and in trying to do damage control and twisted fashion that they do at the site known as the vaccineswork blog.

            Furthermore they can not directly describe what it is that vaccinating does that provides for such astronomical savings of money; and as well they can not describe what so called preventative practices and scores they are referring to as to the accumulation of 155 million in savings. The entire article is a bogus piece of misleading pro-vax trash. You might as well just face it.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            So hilarious that you call anyone who isn’t dumb enough to use his/her real name a “coward” but you make your account “private.” What a fuckwit you are, Bubble.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Making that private as I did just recently helps assure that sick people like you do not follow my reply posting. Unlike you, you can still see directly the use of a real identity. So why did you even bother replying again in your typical juvenile manner, and that when you actually had nothing to respond with?

            How much of this can you actually deny? None of it, is the right answer.

            The Official Definition of a Vaccine Shill: #vaxshill
            http://paraven.net/the-official-definition-of-a-vaccine-shill-vaxshill/

            (Sick, Disgusting, and Criminal) Internet Trolls Attack Anyone Resisting Vaccine Party Line
            David Gorski, MD, alias “Orac”” and editor of the no science there, blog, and Michael Simpson editor of the blogging trash known Skeptical Raptor, (otherwise as well said to be directly affiliated with the mad minded, Paul Offit
            http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/11/internet-trolls-attack-anyone-resisting-vaccine-party-line/

            Six EVIL propagandists who promote chemical medicine so your children will get deathly sick and wind up in their offices

            #1. Dr. David H. Gorski ­– Psycho-blogger-cancer-surgeon, a.k.a. “Orac,” who slanders his own patients in his blogs right after he operates on their breasts
            #2. Dr. Richard Pan – Medical extremist repeatedly violates the AMA code of ethics and believes in forced vaccination at gunpoint
            #3. Dr. Paul Offit – The freak who inserts deadly pig virus strains in a vaccine he patented for children who have mild diarrhea sickness
            #4. Dr. Steven Novella – The ultimate quack who ironically calls himself the “quackbuster”
            #5.Dr. Robert Santella – Psychotic serial-abortion doctor who declared on video that he “loves killing babies!”
            #6. Pediatrician Jason Terk – the world’s #1 promoter of the highly toxic and deadly HPV (human papillomavirus) jab

            READ more:
            https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-30-six-evil-propagandists-who-promote-chemical-medicine-so-your-children-will-get-deathly-sick-and-wind-up-in-their-offices.html

            Dangerous Medicine, (more important need to know, articles)
            http://dangerousmedicine.com/

            Provax Quacks

            Since the belief in vaccines is more like faith and religion than it is science, we thought we’d present the Vaccinology 10 Commandments as we see them:

            1. Correlation doth not equal Causation (unless it defends the Sacred and Holy Vaccine).
            2. It is NEVER the Sacred and Holy Vaccine. Any injuries associated with the Sacred and Holy Vaccine must be coincidence, or a lie.
            3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Holy Vaccine in vain. Thou shalt not question the Holy Writings that defend the Sacred Vaccine.
            4. Thou shalt not hold any medical procedure above the Sacred and Holy Vaccine. Only the Sacred and Holy Vaccine can perform the miracles claimed.
            5. Thou must always follow the Vaccine Schedule, for the Sacred Vaccine is a jealous God.
            6. Honor thy Offit and thy Salk, for they are the prophets of the Sacred and Holy Vaccine.
            7. Thou must always trust all studies that are done by the makers of the Sacred and Holy Vaccine. They have no interest in profit, only in the health and livelihood of their congregation.
            8. Thou must always take the holy sacrament of Vaccination. Any who does not Vaccinate, or who question the holy sacrament, must be called a heretic.
            9. Diseases that were once benign must become deadly once a Sacred Vaccine is made for them.
            10. The Sacred and Holy Vaccine is always safe and effective.

            https://provaxquacks.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/the-vaccinology-10-commandments/

            Speaking of Quacks…

            It is without further adieu that I present pseudo-skeptic extraordinaire, David Gorski aka Orac the nipple ripper.

            Gorski is known best for his exceptional talent for cherry picking information that conforms to his particularly biased, preexisting set of beliefs.

            The particular brand of pseudo-skepticism Gorski and his followers adhere to is one that actually inhibits the progress of scientific research, zealously discouraging any and all from questioning existing science!

            Read more:
            https://provaxquacks.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/speaking-of-quacks/

            Offit’s Alarming Claim.

            Once upon a time, a devout vaccine worshiper made the scientifically unsound claim that an infant could safely receive as many as 10,000 vaccines at one time!

            Parents and persons within the health community immediately demanded to see where this ridiculous number had been extrapolated from. It turns out this statement was based purely on a theoretical immunological calculation and did not take into account the toxicological aspect of such a large number of vaccine doses.

            We’re still waiting for Mr. Offit to amend his disingenuous statement to include this very important fact.

            https://provaxquacks.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/offits-alarming-claim-9/

            Does ‘the dose make the poison?’

            Extensive results challenge a core assumption in toxicology

            http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/newscience/lowdose/2007/2007-0525nmdrc.html

            PQ Presents: The Father of Vaccine Quackery.

            Since this page is devoted to exposing all forms of quackery that encompass the provax religion, I thought it might be fun to feature the original, true quack credited with founding the practice of vaccination! (Though this too is a false misconception. Vaccination or variolation was around long before Jenner adopted the practice.)

            Fun facts:

            -Jenners experiments were largely based upon superstition and anecdotal evidence.

            -Jenner was notorious for performing highly unethical and dangerous experiments on young children including his own son.

            -Jenner experimented on his son for many years afterwards, subjecting him to various innoculations. Jenner then performed challenge tests, deliberately exposing his son to deadly diseases.

            -In the years following these experiments, Jenners son “became a sickly child and exhibited signs of mild mental retardation.” Sadly his son died at the young age of 21 from tuberculosis.

            -Jenner refused to vaccinate his second child.

            https://provaxquacks.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/pq-presents-the-father-of-vaccine-quackery/

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You’ve cite no evidence at all, you assclown. You are so damn dumb that you honestly think the sites you read are valid sources of information. You don’t have a shred of education and you lack any critical thinking skills whatsoever. The minute you are accepted to medical school and have passed microbiology, please DO alert the media.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            They are obviously valid sources of information, and those are your own doctors and Pediatricians telling the actual story of how very little training on vaccines they actually had. The really damn dumb and lying assclown is actually you. All you ever have left standing is your own sick denial.

            Making it all about me has nothing to do with it. You can’t handle the evidence within the truth message, so again all you can do is attempt to attack the messenger. Your sick level of false arrogance again leaves you looking like a fool, and the lying and in denial fool that you really are.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            AHAHAHAHA. “Some of us have moved far beyond that….” Yeah, to anti-vaccine websites you found by Googling because you’re too dumb to recognize valid sources of information.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            That is actually why you remain dumb and uneducated; and you actually think that is something to AHHA HA about? You refuse the real information and the real science. You have large blinders on that refuse to see anything but one direction. Anyone that would be so dumb as to think that the only valid sources are those that are pro-vaccine, really is the dumbest form of humanity to ever exist. As to your own refusal to recognize truth and reality; how beyond dumb is that? But then you do not actually care what the truth is, and that has been clearly evident in regard to you, for years.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, Bubble, you’re such a laughable moron. You can’t post any valid studies and you couldn’t read one if your life depended on it. I love how you think you’re smart and educated when your posts show exactly the opposite. You’re a legend in your own mind. The facts are clear and you have been completely unable to refute them. Vaccines are FAR safer than the diseases they prevent. You can’t show any evidence to the contrary. You can’t show that serious adverse events caused by vaccines occur more frequently than complications of the diseases they prevent. Vaccines are safer than disease. End of story, Goober.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            So again in your obvious sickness you just make it all up as you go. Every claim you just made is a lie, and every claim you just stated has been clearly shown to be false. You live within nothing but the smoke and mirrors delusions of false vaccine propaganda.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You know why I’m laughing? It’s your absurd claim that “some of us have moved far beyond that,” when you have NEVER in your sad, miserable little existence EVER managed to complete a single class in a hard science with a passing grade. You have NEVER, EVER taken a college-level course in ANYTHING. And you imagine, in your deranged, alcohol-addled brain that you know more or even as much as someone who has earned a degree of ANY kind at all, much less one in medicine or science. It is truly a sign of your mental illness that you delude yourself into believing that reading bullshit on some anti-vaccine website is equivalent to an education. You are truly a very entertaining clown, and nothing more.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Everyone and anyone with any honesty can now clearly see what you really are, so called Demaris; directly and front and center. How is that level of lying, and personally attacking crazy actually helping the pro-vaccine agenda? It is doing exactly the opposite. You might still think and believe that you can shut down and attempt to silence the average vaccine truther. I am not average.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, no, honey. You are surely not average. You are FAR below that low standard, dear.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            And what, all according to an obviously crazed shill maniac like you?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, honey. You’re hurt.

          • AutismDadd

            Groan. Stick to animal killing tom, comedy is for the quick witted.

          • tomonthebay

            It wasn’t a joke. It was an accurate observation.

          • AutismDadd

            Maybe you do have a slight comedic vein after all

          • AutismDadd

            Done crapping your pants?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Gee, how vulgar.

          • AutismDadd

            Don’t be absurd I was showing concern.

          • Mary S

            Joe, Nonsheep did not say anything to merit your response, Agree to hardworking but no often trained to make sure informed consent it first priority, even 30 years ago at my child’s birth I had asked to hold my baby and breast feed immediately, instead she was taken away and given an immediate bath (guess for their schedule convenience) and given a water bottle, it was pure hell dealing with nipple confusion that they caused… This is hardly a life threating example but still a breach of patient’s rights. And I have been aware of other babies being given the Hep P vaccine without parents advance knowledge.

          • joe

            And do you approve of the language that Nonsheep used towards FallsAngel, someone that has been a nurse for 45 years. I think I would like my fresh born baby to be bathed before breastfeeding.

          • Mary S

            I know nothing about his or her career and expect Nonsheep does not either unless you have met in person you may not either. And Joe, I doubt you have ever had a baby and can not understand why the bath could and should have waited, especially since it had been my advance request. Be well.

          • joe

            Well FallsAngel has mentioned that she was a nurse for 45 years in many of her post’s and it is on her profile page, what would she gain by lying? Not being a medical person I imagine that there could be a good reason for washing the baby before breast feeding, I suggest you ask FallsAngel, she may be able to tell you why babies are washed before they are breastfed. We all must be thankful to people like Mike Stevens, who is a REAL doctor and FallsAngel who is a REAL retired nurse for taking time to coming here and giving us FREE medical advice.

          • Mary S

            Joe, All babies are not bathed first. Period. And there are sound medical reasons to allow the mother to hold the infant on her chest, hearing the mother’s heart beat before being taken away to the nursery unless there is a medical crisis.

            This story is just an example of intervention without parental choice in decisions. PS.. As I have noted in a few comments I do appreciated and respect that Mike Stevens has provided quality links for information. And as far as qualifications, none of us on-line really know who we are talking to. You could actually be my next-door neighbor. My take on this.. treat everyone respectfully.

          • Mary S

            Joe, second thought “And do you approve of the language that Nonsheep used towards FallsAngel,” I have to agree, unacceptable language, but after hours of reading unacceptable language against various writers, I must have slipped and been desensitized. You are right, the language is in very poor choice. It does however express the level of anger this subject is instilling in people. Sad.

          • joe

            Truly sad. If you go through all the post’s here, most of the bad language seems to come from the anti-vaxxers, I wonder why.

          • Mary S

            I am new to this and I did review most of the comments under this article. To me it seems to be pretty much equal. I do agree that the worse of all- the silly graphic posts were from anti-vaxxers… makes me believe, since there was no substance. Have to just laugh at that nonsense.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Hep B vaccine contains an aluminum adjuvant and that makes it entirely insane and without any merit to vaccinate a newborn with that vaccine.

            Vaccine Ingredients and Manufacturer Information
            (alphabetical order by vaccine) These below are the ingredients in the Hep B vaccine.

            One of them even contains MRC-5 cell proteins, which is derived from growing the antigen on aborted fetal cell tissue. Serious levels of short and long chain DNA contamination have been found in those vaccines, and even though the CDC claims there is no contamination, they have never looked. Polysorbate 80 is as well contained in the Hep B vaccines and which is known to make the blood brain barrier more permeable and which allows that aluminum adjuvant to cross over more easily. And all this to vaccinate a new born for Hepatitis B and which no newborn is at risk for. It remains to be nothing less than reckless for pharma profit vaccine, insanity.

            https://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005206#hep-b

            Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid cells (aborted fetal cell tissue) (just look what has been found in the vaccines)
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

          • ciaparker2

            Thank you, as the mother of one of the newborns victimized in the way you describe, I whole-heartedly agree! And doing it without even asking permission! Not that it makes any difference, I guess, none of those giving permission have been told the truth about the vaccine and the risk of the disease in infants born to healthy mothers.

          • Jason Bjornsson

            I made sure that neither of my young children received the Hep B vaccine at birth. Why do they need a vaccine for a disease of drug addicts and prostitutes?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Exactly and it is reckless and irresponsible fraud, and all for greed, control, and big profits.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Because sex and needles aren’t the only way Hep B is transmitted.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Tell me all about the “blood brain barrier,” Bubbles. By the way, how is Hep B acquired by children when their mothers tested negative for it?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            The blood brain barrier is intended to keep out such as toxic metals (vaccine derived) and other toxic substances. The polysorbate 80 that is as well in vaccines causes and allows as well those toxic metals to much more easily cross over the blood brain barrier, just as it does with the delivery of cancer drugs, etc. Go head and directly refute that if you can.

            Go ahead and provide the reference material for the claim that Hep B was acquired by children when their mothers tested negative for it, and the as to age of the individuals.

          • Demaris Forsythe
          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            So again shills like you have nothing from an actual scientific journal, but only again a directive to the actually no science there mad man Gorski’s twisted blogging pages. There is nothing in that article that honestly addresses the concerns regarding newborn vaccination with Hep B.

            So when exactly are these infants going to be having unprotected sex and injected street drug use and which puts them at risk? By the time they are that age any infant vaccination will have long waned and be gone. Infants are as well known to not produce such antibodies to a vaccine and because of competing passive maternal antibodies.

            The level of reckless stupidity in vaccinating a new born for Hep B, with an aluminum adjuvanted vaccine, and as well with known residual vaccine contaminates in it such as short and long chain DNA from the aborted fetal cells tissue used in growing the antigen, is beyond for profit madness.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            So you can’t refute a word of the article, then? That’s what I thought. I guess your liver failure blinds you.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Which article and/or study have you ever addressed and refuted out of the dozens that have been put in front of you? Hypocrisy rules in your world, ehh? Gorski’s hate filled blogging trash is not worth a response past labeling it as trash.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Poor baby. You can’t even read the article, can you? I knew it. Thanks for playing, NOBALLS

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I see you couldn’t manage the big words, Bubble. You poor thing. It helps to be able to read at something above third grade level, dear. Go back to school, honey. Kids acquire Hep B in childhood. They get it from bites, from saliva, from family members like you.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            I don’t think anyone is going to bite a newborn? Perhaps you might as you hate children so much that you insist on vaccine injection poisoning them.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Idiot, do you have kids? If you were any dumber, we’d have to water you. Toddlers bite each other, you stupid ass. Family members who have Hep B and don’t know it because they haven’t been tested for it can spread the disease to infants through saliva and blood. Women can test negative for Hep B and then acquire the disease before giving birth. The Hep B test can give false negative results. Had you bothered to move your lips while you read the fucking article, you’d have learned this. You are beyond dumb.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            ” but only again a directive to the actually no science there mad man Gorski’s twisted blogging pages.” Do you even read? This is such gobbledy-gook it looks like a toddler was scribbling with turds.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            But actually it is the truth and regardless of if you like it or not.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            It’s not even English, you fucking moron. You’ve posted gibberish.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Ahahaha. God, you just keep setting ’em up and I keep knocking ’em down, Bubbles. Hep B is communicable horizontally, idiot. Look it up. I really am gobsmacked at the depth of your ignorance and stupidity. Did you have a drug-addicted mother? Or are you an example of fetal alcohol syndrome, honey?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Mothers who are pregnant can first be screened for risk level, and as well tested for Hep B. That obviously does not simply include all of the general population being considered as at the same risk of transmission of Hep B from the mother. The vaccine as well will not be effective after being already exposed to Hep B. Other protocols are needed. Otherwise no infant is at risk of Hep B.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “and as well tested….” You continue to use this idiotic sentence structure and think it’s intelligent writing. It sucks donkey dick, and so do you. Read the fucking article. The test gives false negatives. Women can get Hep B after the test and before they deliver. And YES, you stupid ass, giving the vaccine to a newborn DOES prevent the disease even after exposure. You are a fucking idiot.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “And as well….’ Oh, look, your fav phrase. The one you imagine makes you look smart. I have news, Bubble. It doesn’t.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            And how many times now have you responded to this same reply, over and over? Your obvious sickness is profound.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Your writing is so poor that a 5th grader with even half a brain would do better.

          • Demaris Forsythe
          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            More crazed personally attacking blogging means nothing to me. That short article is nothing but misinformation and of course written with no editors identity attached to it.

            So you have no reply to this and which is very similar information in regard to what the modernalternativehealth site put forth? Just admit it. You have absolutely no concern for the health and well being of a child. Shilling is just a game for you that in your sickness you get paid for. Few things on this planet exist as being any more sick than what you put forth.

            The medical textbook definition of an adverse vaccine reaction: (Merck Manual)

            Encephalitis (excerpted)

            Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain that occurs when a virus directly infects the brain or when a virus, vaccine, or something else triggers inflammation. The spinal cord may also be involved, resulting in a disorder called encephalomyelitis.

            People may have a fever, headache, or seizures, and they may feel sleepy, numb, or confused.

            Magnetic resonance imaging of the head and a spinal tap are usually done.

            Treatment involves relieving symptoms and sometimes using antiviral drugs.

            Encephalitis is most commonly due to viruses, such as herpes simplex, herpes zoster, cytomegalovirus, or West Nile virus. It can occur in the following ways:

            A virus directly infects the brain.

            A virus that caused an infection in the past becomes reactivated and directly damages the brain.

            A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).

            Sometimes bacteria cause encephalitis, usually as part of bacterial meningitis (called meningoencephalitis).

            Autoimmune encephalitis
            After certain viral infections or vaccines, the body’s immune system sometimes attacks the layers of tissue that wrap around nerve fibers (called the myelin sheath) in the brain and spinal cord. The attack occurs because proteins in myelin resemble those in the virus. As a result, nerve transmission becomes very slow. The resulting disorder, called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, resembles multiple sclerosis except that symptoms do not come and go as they do in multiple sclerosis. The viruses most often involved include enteroviruses, Epstein-Barr virus, hepatitis A or B virus, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), and influenza viruses.

            An autoimmune encephalitis may also develop if the immune system produces antibodies that attack proteins on the surface of nerve cells called N-methyl-d-aspartate (NMDA) receptors. The resulting encephalitis is called anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis. Some evidence suggests that anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis is a more common type of encephalitis than was previously thought.

            Symptoms of Encephalitis
            Before symptoms of encephalitis start, people may have digestive symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, or abdominal pain. Or they may feel as if they are getting a cold or the flu and have cough, fever, a sore throat, a runny nose, swollen lymph nodes, and muscle aches.

            Symptoms of encephalitis include

            Fever

            Headache

            Personality changes or confusion

            Seizures

            Paralysis or numbness

            Sleepiness that can progress to coma and death

            People may vomit and have a stiff neck, but these symptoms tend to be less common and less severe than when caused by meningitis.

            http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/brain-spinal-cord-and-nerve-disorders/brain-infections/encephalitis

          • Demaris Forsythe

            More copy/paste and not a shred of evidence. You have no idea what you are reading, LOWBALLS.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, do tell me how much profit vaccines account for, you dolt. Here you go: less than 3% of total pharma profit comes from vaccines, you idiot. God, you’re dumb as a box of rocks.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Again, this information directly tells a different story.

            How Much Money Do Pediatricians Really Make From Vaccines?

            So how much money do doctors really make from vaccines? The average American pediatrician has 1546 patients, though some pediatricians see many more. The vast majority of those patients are very young, perhaps because children transition to a family physician or stop visiting the doctor at all as they grow up. As they table above explains, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated child. If your pediatrician has just 100 fully-vaccinated patients turning 2 this year, that’s $40,000. Yes, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays your doctor a $40,000 bonus for fully vaccinating 100 patients under the age of 2. If your doctor manages to fully vaccinate 200 patients, that bonus jumps to $80,000.

            But here’s the catch: Under Blue Cross Blue Shield’s rules, pediatricians lose the whole bonus unless at least 63% of patients are fully vaccinated, and that includes the flu vaccine. So it’s not just $400 on your child’s head–it could be the whole bonus. To your doctor, your decision to vaccinate your child might be worth $40,000, or much more, depending on the size of his or her practice.

            If your pediatrician recommends that your child under the age of 2 receive the flu vaccine–even though the flu vaccine has never been studied in very young children and evidence suggests that the flu vaccine actually weakens a person’s immune system over the long term–ask yourself: Is my doctor more concerned with selling me vaccines to keep my child healthy or to send his child to private school?

            Read more:
            https://wellnessandequality.com/2016/06/20/how-much-money-do-pediatricians-really-make-from-vaccines/

            The Unknown Reasons Doctors Push Vaccines

            Blue Cross, Blue Shield, Blue Care Network of Michigan publishes online a shameless and bold report of how much cash they reward physicians for performing certain tests, and which apparently acts as an incentive to over-prescribe, thus inflating the costs of U.S. healthcare, which should be illegal.

            Blue Cross/Blue Shield published the 2016 Performance Recognition Program, a 28-page report indicating how medical insurance companies actually increase the costs of healthcare!

            Look what we find on the BC/BS page “Childhood Immunizations—Combo 10”!

            If MDs meet a target of 63% of eligible member patients, they will receive a payout of $400 per completed eligible member. Wow! Now you know one of the key reasons why parents are hounded to vaccinate their infants and toddlers. Gelt, pecunia, greenbacks—whatever you call M-O-N-E-Y.

            Read MORE:
            http://www.activistpost.com/2017/08/unknown-reasons-doctors-push-vaccines.html

            Enormous Profiteering by Doctors Pushing Vaccines

            I thought you’d be interested in an article published in a Family Practice Journal about how a doctor can get rich dumping vaccines in children. No wonder the medical profession is so pro vaccine. They have a vested interest, even aside from Pharma’s corrupt interest. Note the emphasis on the “bottom line”. Please note that the doctor chasing and collecting butterflies in the image. The butterflies are paper dollars! This image should tell you everything you need to know, and how the Pharma whores are using medical doctors as literal pimps for their wares.

            Read More…
            http://vaccineimpact.com/2018/enormous-profiteering-by-doctors-pushing-vaccines/

            2016 Performance
            Recognition Program
            PROVIDER INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR:
            • BCN Commercial HMO
            • BCN AdvantageSM HMO-POS
            • BCBSM Medicare Plus BlueSM PPO

            https://www.scribd.com/document/330118553/2016-BCN-BCBSM-Incentive-Program-Booklet

            https://www.docdroid.net/oYWwB4c/2016-bcn-bcbsm-incentive-program-booklet.pdf

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “This information” is bullshit, LOWBALLS. That you think it’s from a credible source is hilarious.

          • Nonsheep

            Hi Cia, they will start swerving like ‘there is no elemental mercury’ when we all know that isn’t the issue, it is compounded. Have you seen they have now admitted that the years of comparative twin studies with the genome have failed to prove the pathogenesis of genetics, environment, diet, lifestyle were the driving factors. 100 billion wasted on genetic septic fallacies. That means the genetic swerve for autism is now jet trash. Google, failure of human genome project. I got banned for raising this on one septic blog, they can’t cope with the truth – it’s out.

          • kfunk937

            I got banned for raising this […]

            No, you’ve been banned multiple times at multiple locations for repeated spamming, harassment and sockpuppetry. You’ve got comments at this very site from two separate accounts as it is. So stop lying.And do give some thought to taking up a different hobby now that your clinic is closed, phildo. Mayhap one you’d stand a chance to be better at.

          • ciaparker2

            I’m flagging this, Flunkie.

          • kfunk937

            Why?It’s true.So have at your whinery and flag abuse, cia. It doesn’t reflect poorly on me.

          • ciaparker2

            Nah. Regaling everyone with obscenities is just what you lot do.

          • ciaparker2

            Thanks! I knew that the whole “genes cause autism” angle was just more of their desperate lies. There ARE genes which predispose to vaccine damage, I and everyone in my family has had disabling reactions to vaccines, but without the trigger (vaccines) we are very healthy.
            It’s not wasted from their point of view. All they have to do is fool the public into thinking they’re concerned about autism and working as hard as they can to find the genes which cause it and exonerate vaccines. So they get big bucks and prestige just for jigging around doing nothing for decade after decade and just scratch their heads when more and more and more babies and children react to vaccines with autism, autoimmune disease, etc.

          • Mike Stevens

            What happened to your parthenogenesis story, Philly boy?

          • Mike Stevens

            8 sentences, 7 of them quite patently lies, and one a probable alternative version of the truth.
            Congrats, Cia, you outdid yourself.
            Why do antivaxers always lie?

          • ciaparker2

            Why do supposedly reputable physicians like you lie? Are you really that hard up for money over there?

          • Marra

            Cia, the one eyed man (doctors) is king among the blind. You can’t convince the blind about the truth about vaccines. My child was vaccine injured and those who haven’t been there, just don’t get it. There is plenty of information available today for parents to become informed about vaccines. I work with Autistic children. Their parents will never be convinced that vaccines didn’t cause their child’s autism. Dr. Sherry Tenpenny is an expert on the damage vaccines do to children. She has written a number of books, put out cd’s and dvd’s that educate people about vaccines. Dr. Tenpenny lectures around the world about vaccines. Not ALL doctors go along with the lies the big pharma sell.

          • ciaparker2

            I also know that vaccines caused my daughter’s autism. A lot of doctors are afraid to go against the party line: the pharma companies have a lot of sticks and carrots to keep them in line, and no one wants to be wakefielded. Doctors like “Mike Stevens” know the truth but get too many of the carrots to admit it.

          • AutismDadd

            Fighting lies with lies?

          • AutismDadd

            Tragic

          • Marra

            When my daughter went in to hospital to have her children, every single time the baby remained in the room with her until she and her husband took the baby home. When the pediatrician wanted to check the baby, her husband went with the baby to the nursery to be examined. NO VACCINES!! That was the ONLY way to be sure there would be no vaccines. They had also filled out the necessary paperwork so the staff would know what their expectations were. They WILL vaccinate babies when the parents are not looking!! And, by the way, there IS mercury in vaccines.

          • ciaparker2

            I made a special trip to the pediatrician, Dr. Douglas Boudreau, a month before my baby was born, only to tell him that I did not want my baby to get the hep-B vaccine. He didn’t agree that it was dangerous, but he agreed not to give it to her. I don’t know why he didn’t tell me it wasn’t his call to make. I thought it was. But a nurse came in early Saturday morning (my daughter had been born by C-section early Friday morning) and told me they had given her her first shot. WHAT!!! Her hospital records later showed that they had given it to her at midnight, without my knowledge or consent.
            I wish I had known then what I know now and could have prevented one of the two vaccines which she reacted to with brain damage and autism. I should have written it on the form when I checked in when I was in labor, and told every person I saw that I didn’t want her to get it. She was on an IV antibiotic the first day, so wasn’t in my room all the time until after the first day, when they had already given it to her. And yes, I can attest that they give vaccines at the hospital without permission. They can call it “standing orders,” and get around the law which requires informed consent to vaccines. It’s hard to see how they can get away with that. I hope one day I can take them to court and get millions in compensation and damages.
            At that time there was mercury in the hep-B vaccine, even though Merck had promised at the congressional safety hearing a year before, in May 1999, that it wouldn’t use mercury anymore in it. But they continued to sell already-existing mercury-containing stock until its expiration date in 2002. They’ve taken mercury out of most vaccines, except for still dangerous “trace amounts,” and about half of injected flu vaccine, from multidose vials, still has as much mercury as it ever did, 25 mcg per dose. And it’s hard to see how they can get away with that. Your daughter did the right thing not to trust the hospital staff at all.

          • GT500RN

            I’m so sorry about your child. My mother had me vaccinated, back in the 80’s, and when I had titers for my current position at a level 1 trauma center, found I had zero immunity to Hep B. They almost didn’t hire me because I refused a second round of 4 vaccinations. However, I wear gloves, I’m in a monogamous marriage of 17 years and I would rather risk a 1 in 1000000 chance of a needle stick. I agree with certain vaccinations, but then the pharm companies got greedy and now we have poor quality, no good vaccinations against virus that have only gotten worse because of the big pharm companies.

          • Ron Roy

            I have a good friend who works in a nursing home and none of the residents ever signed a consent form before getting the flu vaccine.

          • joe

            Well Ron, my mother is now in a nursing home and she told me that they asked her for permission to give her the flu jab, and of course she agreed.

          • Ron Roy

            Shame on you for allowing it. Look at what they did to you.

          • AutismDadd

            She’s a sheeple. Hope she survived

          • sabelmouse

            pros always have these extraordinary experiences.

          • Proponent
          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            This is how dirty the pro-vaccinator’s have become. Beware.

            Nurse Whistleblower: Hospitals Vaccinating Patients by Force Without Their Knowledge – New Signed Consent for Hospital Services Includes Vaccines – But Patients Unaware They are Granting Such Consent

            New Signed Consent for Hospital Services Includes Vaccines – But Patients Unaware They are Granting Such Consent

            The bigger, headline-making story was made as the nurse whistleblower continued:

            When you go to the hospital if you need surgery — say you need a knee replacement surgery — first they’re going to ask you if you’ve had your vaccines. You’re going to say no. Then they’re going to say you need to sign this consent if you’re going to have surgery…you need to sign a consent. In the consent, there’s a word call ‘biogenics [biologics]’ and if you sign the consent saying ‘I consent for you to give me biogenics [biologics]’ — that basically means that they can give you anything that they deem necessary including vaccines. So if you say that you didn’t get a flu shot and it’s flu season and you sign the consent saying I agree to biogenics [biologics], they will give you a vaccine even when you’re under anesthesia because you already signed the consent.
            How do hospitals inform the patient they have just partaken in a medical procedure (immunization) having inherent risks without being given proper informed consent? According to the nurse whistleblower, hospitals approach the subject by telling patients the following:

            Unless you go and get your medical records, you will not know you got a flu vaccine. They [the hospital] may tell you at the end ‘oh by the way, you’re now covered, you’ve had the flu vaccine or you got the pneumococcal vaccine.’
            Vaccines Forced on Patients Who do not Want Them in U.S. Hospitals

            Is this really happening? Certainly people would be talking if it was. The nurse whistleblower goes further saying:

            Two people now have reported to me last week saying that they got the vaccine; they did not want the vaccines. They did not know that the word biogenics [biologics] meant they’re going to get a vaccine.

            Read more:
            http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/nurse-whistleblower-hospitals-vaccinating-patients-by-force-without-their-knowledge/

            Nurse Warns of “Biologics” & Forced Flu Shots Happening in US Hospitals
            Published on May 13, 2016

            Listen to a whistleblower nurse as she describes her experience inside a hospital taking orders to unknowingly force vaccinate patients with the flu shot. Later she describes how The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) has redefined the term “Biologics” being used in hospital consent forms to include vaccines.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XqRxsvNc7Y

          • joe

            still pushing vaccineimpact I see, how much are they paying you?

          • Elizabeth Hensley

            Not true. Most of them still contain mercury because we tried to special order one without it. My family member had optic nerve problems due to mercury poisoning which was revealed by testing.

          • ciaparker2

            I have optic neuritis as one of the many effects of my vaccine mercury poisoning, including sometimes paralyzing MS.

          • joe

            Pants on fire

          • kfunk937

            See my reply, below. Optic neuritis is a real, known complication of MS. OTOH, you’re entirely correct in that there is no causative link between vaccine status and multiple sclerosis. That part was a deluded lie counterfactual.

          • kfunk937

            Optic neuritis is a known complication of MS. The effects are usually, but not always, transitory. You’ve mentioned recently being unable to make out the numbers on your keyboard unless you position your face six inches away. Perhaps you’re having an MS exacerbation. I hope you’re not driving. Have you consulted with your neurologist or other qualified medical provider who treats your MS? Maybe it’s time. And, no, homeopaths are not qualified to treat or manage diseases like MS.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            If you had a molecule of mercury in an optic nerve, or a spinal nerve and in autoimmune disease the dyregulated immune system calls out non-self and attacks those fibers, what happens? MS is clearly an autoimmune disease, and one of them. That does not mean that all people will get optic neuritis from a mercury containing flu shot, or even that all people with MS and/or autoimmune disorders, will have optic neuritis.

          • Mike Stevens

            You have optic neuritis from MS, which neurologists, toxicologists and Multiple Sclerosis disease experts/specialists and societies all agree has nothing to do with mercury.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Correction: your cherry picked so called experts. I just told you above how optic neuritis could be caused by mercury in a vaccine, and in relation to autoimmune disease.

          • Mike Stevens

            How did they confirm optic nerve problems were “due to mercury poisoning”?
            Let me guess… some quack performed a provocation test with a chelating agent, and told you that meant everything wrong was caused by mercury?
            Do I win anything?

          • kfunk937

            My thought was perhaps a very rare adverse effect from an ophthalmic solution like vasocidin, which contains a small, infinitesimal amount of thimerosal per dose (about 6.7 mcg). Optic nerve damage has been linked to increased ICP and more rarely, optic nerve damage, due to the primary active ingredient, prednisolone. It’s sometimes blamed wrongly on “OMIGERDS, mercury!” Usually by fans of RFK, Jr.

            Which still has nothing to do with vaccines. Especially single-dose, thimerosal-free ‘flu vaccines, which represent 80 percent of the market. Who knows if why she “had to special order?” Maybe the provider was out of stock. NBD.

          • ciaparker2

            “Mercury poisoning may also be accompanied by peripheral polyneuropathy (sensorimotor axonopathy) that affects mainly the lower extremities. These are characterized by painful paresthesias and muscle atrophy. Blurred vision, narrowing of the visual fields, optic neuritis, optic atrophy, nystagmus, vertigo, and sensory ataxia have also been observed.”

          • Jack Sprat

            Yeah, great Cia, however the topic is Vaccines not mercury poison. Try to keep up.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Flu vaccines with 25 mcg of Thimerosal ethyl mercury content, are injected mercury, poisoning.

          • Jack Sprat

            Wow, speaking of trying to keep up; what decade did you skip Lowell? No, please don’t answer.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Disprove my statement, and that was all you had to do. But you know you couldn’t do so, so instead you just responded with another false claim and a personal attack.

          • Jack Sprat

            Lowell; I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain this to you in detail. In this very same comments section it has been explained to you three times. I am not certain what issues you have that preclude you from absorbing the facts the first, second, or even the third time; what ever that issue may be, I am certain it must be hard to pronounce and incomprehensible to you.
            So I am not going to explain it to you a fourth time as you will refuse to accept the science. Simply understand the difference between (CH 3 Hg)+ , C2H5Hg+ , and Hg.
            Troll on.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Obviously it is you that does not understand this, ethyl mercury is just as dangerous when injected in a vaccine, as is methyl mercury; and possibly even more so.

            Your pathetic one sentence reply simply does not cut it here, and to claim that it does, shows directly what kind of a fraud you really are.

            J Appl Toxicol. 2013 Aug;33(8):700-11. doi: 10.1002/jat.2855. Epub 2013 Feb 11.
            Toxicity of ethylmercury (and Thimerosal): a comparison with methylmercury.
            Dórea JG1, Farina M, Rocha JB.

            Abstract
            Ethylmercury (etHg) is derived from the metabolism of thimerosal (o-carboxyphenyl-thio-ethyl-sodium salt), which is the most widely used form of organic mercury. Because of its application as a vaccine preservative, almost every human and animal (domestic and farmed) that has been immunized with thimerosal-containing vaccines has been exposed to etHg. Although methylmercury (meHg) is considered a hazardous substance that is to be avoided even at small levels when consumed in foods such as seafood and rice (in Asia), the World Health Organization considers small doses of thimerosal safe regardless of multiple/repetitive exposures to vaccines that are predominantly taken during pregnancy or infancy. We have reviewed in vitro and in vivo studies that compare the toxicological parameters among etHg and other forms of mercury (predominantly meHg) to assess their relative toxicities and potential to cause cumulative insults. In vitro studies comparing etHg with meHg demonstrate equivalent measured outcomes for cardiovascular, neural and immune cells. However, under in vivo conditions, evidence indicates a distinct toxicokinetic profile between meHg and etHg, favoring a shorter blood half-life, attendant compartment distribution and the elimination of etHg compared with meHg. EtHg’s toxicity profile is different from that of meHg, leading to different exposure and toxicity risks. Therefore, in real-life scenarios, a simultaneous exposure to both etHg and meHg might result in enhanced neurotoxic effects in developing mammals. However, our knowledge on this subject is still incomplete, and studies are required to address the predictability of the additive or synergic toxicological effects of etHg and meHg (or other neurotoxicants).

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23401210

            New Study Verifies Mercury In Flu Shots Is Toxic
            http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-study-verifies-mercury-in-flu-shots-is-toxic-118432874.html

            Integrating Experimental (In Vitro and In Vivo) Neurotoxicity Studies of Low-dose Thimerosal Relevant to Vaccines

            José G. Dórea

            Abstract

            There is a need to interpret neurotoxic studies to help deal with uncertainties surrounding pregnant mothers, newborns and young children who must receive repeated doses of Thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs). This review integrates information derived from emerging experimental studies (in vitro and in vivo) of low-dose Thimerosal (sodium ethyl mercury thiosalicylate). Major databases (PubMed and Web-of-science) were searched for in vitro and in vivo experimental studies that addressed the effects of low-dose Thimerosal (or ethylmercury) on neural tissues and animal behaviour. Information extracted from studies indicates that: (a) activity of low doses of Thimerosal against isolated human and animal brain cells was found in all studies and is consistent with Hg neurotoxicity; (b) the neurotoxic effect of ethylmercury has not been studied with co-occurring adjuvant-Al in TCVs; (c) animal studies have shown that exposure to Thimerosal-Hg can lead to accumulation of inorganic Hg in brain, and that (d) doses relevant to TCV exposure possess the potential to affect human neuro-development. Thimerosal at concentrations relevant for infants’ exposure (in vaccines) is toxic to cultured human-brain cells and to laboratory animals. The persisting use of TCV (in developing countries) is counterintuitive to global efforts to lower Hg exposure and to ban Hg in medical products; its continued use in TCV requires evaluation of a sufficiently nontoxic level of ethylmercury compatible with repeated exposure (co-occurring with adjuvant-Al) during early life.

            http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11064-011-0427-0

            Mercury in vaccines may be up to 50 TIMES more toxic to the brain than mercury in fish

            Their argument is that while the mercury you would find in fish (methylmercury) is very dangerous, the mercury in thimerosal (ethylmercury) is entirely different, and can safely be jabbed into your kids multiple times.

            A 2013 study by scientists from the Faculty of Health Sciences at the University of Brazil, published in the Journal of Applied Toxicology, investigated the toxicity of of ethylmercury vs. methylmercury. Though they stated that more research was needed into the subject, their findings were still interesting.

            Read more:
            https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-03-02-mercury-in-vaccines-may-be-up-to-50-times-more-toxic-to-the-brain-than-mercury-in-fish.html

            TROLL ON!!!!

          • Jack Sprat

            Oh my, nice cut and paste. Some day you may actually learn what all those words mean, because in your first abstract it certainly does not say what you think it does.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You can talk all the SH!T you want. You are directly screwed at this point on any further claims that you make on that specific matter. And it all perfectly states exactly what I read, think, and say it does. You have zero direct refute to that and you know you don’t. You need to toss that worn of out shillary debating manual in the trash. The public has seen that level of lying shill stupidity, now far to many times. Come on shillary Sprat boy, you can do better than that, can’t you? I guess not.

          • Jack Sprat

            Indeed I can. However as I stated before Lowell, it has been explained to you numerous times. Either you do not accept the science or you do not believe it. Repetition is weary some, yet again I find myself saying, politely, I have nary the time for you. Re-read the posts wherein this was previously explained to you, and foremost is the topic at hand (see above), is vaccines.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You have had a grand total of a one liner sentence put forth, and you simply continue to lie about that outcome. It exists at this time exactly 5 posts above this one. You put forth a total of zero studies to make you point, and you refuse to address whatsoever the direct studies I just put in front of you show directly that all mercury is toxic and dangerous. Such a substance as mercury should never be injected in a vaccine, and any more than it should ever be implanted in the mouth of a human being as a tooth restorative material. Vials of mercury have a poison logo and a skull and cross bones on it. In your mind the only safe place to store mercury is injected in the human body and while implanted in human teeth. So much for your health care science.

          • Jack Sprat

            Lowell, we are not discussing Mercury however; rather vaccines. Even in your distracting digression only Ethyl and methyl mercury have been bantered. Mercury is indeed a known toxin, however to the best of my knowledge mercury, Hg, has never been an ingredient of any vaccine. It seems you are trying to suggest mercury is synonymous with mercurial polycations. It is not.
            Do you remember the year Themerosal was removed from childhood vaccines? I think it was 2003. So at the end of the day, there never was any Hg in vaccines, and as of 2003 (?) cations have been excluded. What exactly is your point here?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            In fact Hg is the chemical abbreviation for mercury and it has been used in vaccines by the brand name Thimerosal. So you are either extremely ignorant, or you are lying. Which is it? So here you are replying again and this whole time to a subject matter in which you don’t even know at all what you are talking about.

            There are still trace amounts of ethyl mercury (Thimerosal) in childhood so called inactivated vaccines, and that is due to the process of manufacturing. There is still a full 25 mcg dose of mercury in some of the flu shots and all of the existing multiple dose vials and for use in those 18 or older, to include pregnant women and for which no advisory against that has ever been issued from the FDA and/or CDC

            Trace amounts of Thimerosal combined with a vaccines containing aluminum adjuvants has never been studied for safety and in regard to a synergistic potential. Studies and data have show however that when combining a full 25 mcg dose of mercury (Thimerosal) does increase the synergistic potency of both substances. That should yet be concerning in consideration of the large numbers of vaccines and doses that children are getting.

            Mercury is Not Safe in Any Form: Debunking the Myths About Thimerosal “Safety”
            https://worldmercuryproject.org/thimerosal-history/mercury-is-not-safe-in-any-form-debunking-the-myths-about-thimerosal-safety/

            Flu vaccines – Vaccine Ingredients and Manufacturer Information
            (alphabetical order by vaccine)
            https://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005206#influenza

            http://novaccine.com/specific-vaccines/flu-influenza-vaccines/

            Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary
            Excipients Included in U.S. Vaccines, by Vaccine
            https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf

            Below it gives the actual trace, or full amount of Thimerosal in each common vaccine.

            Thimerosal Content in Vaccines
            http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/immunize/safety/tcontent.pdf

            Flu vaccines
            https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#table

          • Jack Sprat

            No Lowell it is not an abbreviation. Hg is the symbol; from the Greek hydragyros. Thimerosal does not and never did contain mercury. Ethyl mercury is not mercury. Period. Full stop. You are either lacking knowledge of chemical nonclementure or intentionally dishonest. You seem very passionate about this which is commendable, you are also misguided. Go to your local high school and ask a chemistry teacher. Perhaps they can map the process for you.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            [Ethyl mercury is not mercury?] How big is the HOLE in your head?

            [Thimerosal does not and never did contain mercury. Ethyl mercury is not mercury]

            Again, how big is the hole in your head? Simple and basic documents on this substance show that Thimerosal is indeed a compound of mercury and in fact, ethyl mercury. No chemistry teacher is needed foolish man, just basic reading that most of us have done before. That is as well why I produced the study that I did in the above reply post which shows directly that ethyl can be just as hazardous as methyl mercury when you inject it in a vaccine. That study was titled, Toxicity of ethylmercury (and Thimerosal): a comparison with methylmercury, J Appl Toxicol. 2013. Even the MSDS sheet on Thimersol tells you exactly what it is.

            Eythl mercury

            The toxicity of ethylmercury, for instance as it derives in vivo from thimerosal, is not well studied, and for many years, studies of methylmercury were used as a basis to predict the safety and estimate the risk of thimerosal use. Methylmercury and ethylmercury distribute to all body tissues, crossing the blood–brain barrier and the placental barrier, and ethylmercury also moves freely throughout the body.[3]

            Structure
            Thiomersal features mercury(II) with a coordination number 2, i.e. two ligands are attached to Hg, the thiolate and the ethyl group. The carboxylate group confers solubility in water. Like other two-coordinate Hg(II) compounds, the coordination geometry of Hg is linear, with a 180° S-Hg-C angle. Typically, organomercury thiolate compounds are prepared from organomercury chlorides.[1]

            Read more:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury

            Mercury (element)
            Mercury is a chemical element with symbol Hg and atomic number 80.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)

            Thiomersal

            Toxicology

            Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with a danger of cumulative effects. It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol N).[20] In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and thiosalicylate.[11]

            Cases have been reported of severe mercury poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities.[21] Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown.

            Structure
            Thiomersal features mercury(II) with a coordination number 2, i.e. two ligands are attached to Hg, the thiolate and the ethyl group. The carboxylate group confers solubility in water. Like other two-coordinate Hg(II) compounds, the coordination geometry of Hg is linear, with a 180° S-Hg-C angle. Typically, organomercury thiolate compounds are prepared from organomercury chlorides.[1]

            Read more:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal

            Material Safety Data Sheet
            Thimerosal MSDS

            Be sure you read the section titled:
            Section 11: Toxicological Information

            Section 16: Other Information
            :
            Thimerosal is a Mercury compound. It is on the Prop. 65 list as a Mercury compound. Under Prop. 65, Mercury and Mercury
            compounds are listed as “Chemicals known to the State of California to Cause Reproductive Toxicity.”

            http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9925236

          • Jack Sprat

            Lowell, somewhere in your diatribe you acknowledge ethyl mercury is a compound. It is an organometallic compound in fact.
            It is NOT present in its elemental form. The “C” in the compound denotes carbon; another element, The carbon and the mercury are bonded at the atomic level. The process is an electrovalent bond as opposed to a covalent bond, and the imbalance of electrons further identifies this molecule as a cation.
            So, ethyl mercury is not mercury. Period.
            If toxicity is a concern, explain the presence of Sodium in Themirosal?

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Just another load of bullshit. Thimerosal is a form of ethyl mercury and it is a neurological poison. There is no way you can attempt to claim that is is not. The study science that I have put directly in front of you shows that directly as well. Those are the facts and you can deny it all you want.

          • Jack Sprat

            Science is not bullshit Lowell, I did suggest you chat with your local high school science teacher after all. Thimerosal; C9H9HgNaO2S. Plain to see, thimerosal is a compound, and yes there mercury is a component of it. Carbon, Sodium and Mercury are components of it. If you have such fear of Mercury Lowell, every routine vaccine is available without it. Thimerosal is not as you claim, a “neurological poison.” Paracelsus provides “sola dosis facit venenum” or “the dose makes the poison.” Fortunately the dosage has been proven safe, just look at the billions of un-dead people, including me.
            Lowell, keep posting all the links you want, I don’t care. That you don’t understand the science presented within those posts is truly the concern. Think critically Lowell. The links, with the exception of World Mercury Project, do not support your premise.
            Now you end with “those are the facts.” Facts are ideas or concepts, as proven by science. You do not get to decide what facts are, you decide only the point at which you stop learning. Have a good day.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You are so continued full of bullshit that it is running out of your ears. You have no science, and you have no study science to show anything that you are falsely claiming to. You as well entirely ignored everything I put forth and including the studies; and then just came right back in with another load of your twisted denial. All forms of mercury are poison. Did you not see the skull and crossbones poison label on the product containers?

          • Jack Sprat

            I am going to pretend that is English Lowell.
            “You have no science…” That I provide Thimerosal is; C9H9HgNaO2S does a number of things.
            1.) Proves that you are not only incorrect, and wrong; however I provide the actual “science” of Thimerosal.
            2.) Proves that the is no mercury in Thimerosal.

            Yes Lowell I am ignoring everything that you have put forward.
            The link to WorldMercury is not science, it is a crank group. With Kennedy at the helm no less. Laughable.
            Procon. 90.5% of their revenues go to their wages and benefits Lowell. Follow the money Lowell. Its always about the money.
            Novaccine. If the name doesn’t tell you everything you need to know, led by a Chiroquack and having Sherri Tenpenny on their board makes them not sad, but comedic.
            Your link to the CDC Vaccine Excipient Summary is actually very good. Mercury by name and symbol is noticeably absent, so I have no idea why you included it.
            What is interesting however is your link: http://www.health.state.mn….
            At the bottom there is a link to the FDA. Follow that link, scroll down the page to:
            “There is a robust body of peer-reviewed, scientific studies conducted in the United States and countries around the world that support the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines. The scientific evidence collected over the past 15 years does not show any evidence of harm, including serious neurodevelopmental disorders, from use of thimerosal in vaccines. Specifically, the Institute of Medicine (now known as the National Academy of Medicine), and others have concluded that the evidence favors rejection of a link between thimerosal and autism. Scientific studies of the risk of other serious neurodevelopmental disorders have failed to support a causal link with.”
            Now don’t forget Lowell, you supplied this information.

            Honestly Lowell it is evident you are very good at cut and paste. It is a strength; embrace it. When you post links it is always good to have read them and even better when you understand them.
            You claim to have put forth studies, no Lowell, not a single one.

            Back under your bridge troll, or perhaps your mother’s basement.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            So again you simply wasted a a lot of time writing a gibberish filled and rambling rant about how you are refusing anything, and anything at aIl that have put forth. The truth is all you had to do was review the wikipedia descriptions and as well the Thimerosal MSDS sheet, and as well the study I put forth comparing the physiological toxicity levels found when comparing the injection of ethyl mercury with methyl mercury. That as well came from Pubmed so you have no false excuses remaining in falsely attempting to claim to all of it being put forth from some sort of anti-vaxer biased sites.

            As to the link you posted here, you posted a dead link, so here is the correct link.

            Thimerosal Content in Vaccines
            http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/immunize/safety/tcontent.pdf

            As for the link you followed stating that. “There is a robust body of peer-reviewed, scientific studies conducted in the United States and countries around the world that support the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines. The scientific evidence collected over the past 15 years does not show any evidence of harm, including serious neurodevelopmental disorders ….

            Ok, so what exactly does that so called scientific study research involve? It involves only considered large epidemiological studies done on Thimerosal, and as well the MMR vaccine. Actually, well known population based studies. We already know about that and the paid off junk science fraud that was conducted. This is going to involve some reading and which you know you will never do. If you had ever been to that 9 questions page, you would have already known this was there.

            As for their known epidemiological studies.

            And, what did they study in those so called and claimed to larger epidemiological, (population based), vaccine safety studies? In fact they only studied one single vaccine, the MMR; and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. None of the larger epidemiological studies compared vaccinated to entirely unvaccinated. None of the studies looked at the safety profile of the entire CDC vaccine schedule. None of those studies as well looked at the safety profile of giving from 5 to up to 9 vaccines or more to and infant or small child, in a single day and office visit.

            Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly paid for and COOKED, for the results, period. Found were the use of flawed study designs, use of unreliable data, predetermined outcomes unsupported by the data, and as well major conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources; none of them being independent and nor unbiased.

            Actually spend some time and read this analysis, Mr no identity fake name, Jack Sprat!!!! You actually again, have nothing. But you know you won’t read this direct analysis and because it involves to much truth.

            VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?

            We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
            — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

            “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
            studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
            — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

            “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
            doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
            — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

            Read more:
            http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

            14 Studies
            http://www.fourteenstudies.org/

            In fact, NONE of the vaccine safety study questions I have put forth, have ever been answered by the known 2013 IOM report on vaccine safety, and/or any other, or earlier report. My study questions are included in this post.

            In this report it stated this as well.

            The Childhood Immunization Schedule and Safety Stakeholder Concerns, Scientific
            Evidence, and Future Studies (1)

            The IOM Assessment of Studies of Health Outcomes Related to the Recommended Childhood Immunization Schedule – 2013

            [This committee’s report is unique in that it is the first to attempt to examine the entire childhood
            immunization schedule as it exists today.

            In this most comprehensive examination of the immunization schedule to date, the IOM committee uncovered no evidence of major safety concerns associated with adherence to the childhood immunization schedule, which should help to reassure a diverse group of stakeholders.]

            …That claim is an obvious and blatant …LIE. No such thing actually took place. So, you are not off the hook, just that easily, and you need to face that reality. Go and actually find in that IOM report any studies that have been done and/or any reference to any of those studies that I outlined and requested; and in and as to that kind of study research, ever having been done? It has clearly not ever been done. They already know or suspect what the result will be, and that is why that kind of vaccine safety study, it is never done. (2)

            This is what these reports ACTUALLY state, and just as I previously said, and directly pointed out.. No adequate level of vaccine safety studies have EVER been done.

            HEALTH OUTCOMES

            The committee’s literature searches and review were intended to identify
            health outcomes associated with some aspect of the childhood immunization
            schedule. Allergy and asthma, autoimmunity, autism, other
            neurodevelopmental disorders (e.g., learning disabilities, tics, behavioral
            disorders, and intellectual disabilities), seizures, and epilepsy were included
            as search terms. Furthermore, the committee reviewed papers on immunization
            and premature infants.

            In summary, few studies have comprehensively assessed the association
            between the entire immunization schedule or variations in the overall
            schedule and categories of health outcomes, and no study has directly examined
            health outcomes and stakeholder concerns in precisely the way that
            the committee was charged to address in its statement of task. No studies
            have compared the differences in health outcomes that some stakeholders
            questioned between entirely unimmunized populations of children and fully

            6 THE CHILDHOOD IMMUNIZATION SCHEDULE AND SAFETY
            immunized children. Experts who addressed the committee pointed not to a
            body of evidence that had been overlooked but rather to the fact that existing
            research has not been designed to test the entire immunization schedule.

            There as well were no studies and no evidence found of any studies I specifically stated and requested in the document known as; Adverse Events Associated with Childhood
            Vaccines: Evidence Bearing on Casuality

            This said IOM report used to be available for free and open access, without a download process. So why is it today not available in that form? Shouldn’t they want the public to know what that said report, actually states? At the CDC site
            they hyperlink to this said study, but the link is a dead link. Why is that, and the below is what it states.

            This site can’t be reached
            http://www.iom.edu’s server DNS address could not be found.

            Read the full report, (hyperlinked to currently, nothing there)
            http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/iomreports/index.html

            1. The Childhood Immunization Schedule and Safety Stakeholder Concerns, Scientific
            Evidence, and Future Studies
            https://www.nationalacademies.org/hmd/~/media/Files/Report%20Files/2013/Childhood-Immunization-Schedule/ChildhoodImmunizationScheduleandSafety_RB.pdf

            2. Assessment of Studies of Health Outcomes Related to the Recommended Childhood Immunization Schedule, Vaccine Schedule Safety: IOM Report to Release Jan. 16, January 9, 2013
            https://www.nationalacademies.org/hmd/Activities/PublicHealth/ChildhoodImmunization.aspx

            Your claim here is exactly this,Thimerosal is not a neurological poison, and it is not mercury. Then what is it, some sort of nutritional vaccine vitamin? You are in denial recklessly, insane.

            Thimerosal-Molecular formula-C9H9HgNaO2S
            https://healthfuldog.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/thimerisol.gif
            http://www.pharmacopeia.cn/v29240/usp29nf24s0_m82750.html
            http://www.whale.to/c/thimerosal_fluseason22336s.jpg

            Thimerosal
            https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ImxwcXLSZBQ/hqdefault.jpg
            http://sphweb.bumc.bu.edu/otlt/mph-modules/ph/autism/thimerosal.JPG
            https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/industryweapons181_04.jpg

            YOU GO BACK UNDER YOUR BRIDGE . . . TROLL . . .SPRAT … or perhaps to your shillery employers basement.

          • Jack Sprat

            Lowell, I am not refusing anything that is scientific. I have reviewed the MSDS pages (4); I know them well. You realize that Thimerosal is a solid certainly. BYW, citing Wikipedia is very Third Grade. As a observation the MSDS reads remarkably similar to Aspirin.
            With regards to your PubMed link, I don’t see it. Please repost. TIA.

            Now above you provided the link to the Minnesota Dept of Health. The Minnesota Dept of Health cites its source as the FDA;
            https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1
            “There is a robust body of peer-reviewed, scientific studies conducted in the United States and countries around the world that support the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines. The scientific evidence collected over the past 15 years does not show any evidence of harm, including serious neurodevelopmental disorders …”
            Lowell, that is YOUR source. It directly contradicts your position. You would think that would be the end of it, but no, you keep digging deeper.
            “Every one of the larger MMR, and Thimerosal epidemiological studies were clearly paid for and COOKED…” Citations or judicial decisions would be really cool to see right about now.
            You are so amusing, wearisome yet amusing.

            Bye

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            The serious harm that has happened to children, teens, and adults due to several serious issues in regard to vaccine safety however is no amusing; and if you claim to that then that makes you in denial sicker than anyone could have imagined, and to the point of outright criminality.

            Nothing in that Minnesota Dept of Health data link showed anything more than the current Thimerosal contents in vaccines and there is nothing to refute in that as the same information has existed at the CDC.

            Through direct analysis I have already showed you exactly why neither the Thimerosal related epidemiological studies should ever be considered as anything but highly unreliable, and as well in regard to the MMR population based studies. You simply ignored all that information, and as if it has never existed, and in falsely continuing on to yet call it robust body of peer-reviewed, scientific studies conducted in the United States and countries around the world that support the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines. That CLEARLY and right here has been shown to be a directly false statement. Instead of having reviewed all that; you simply and again insist on persisting in the continuing support of the obvious false vaccine propaganda.

            You missed this? Obviously then you are not even reading your replies, but simply coming back in with only more replying denial.

            Arch Toxicol. 1985 Sep;57(4):260-7.

            The comparative toxicology of ethyl- and methyl mercury.

            Magos L, Brown AW, Sparrow S, Bailey E, Snowden RT, Skipp WR.

            Abstract

            Neurotoxicity and renotoxicity were compared in rats given by gastric gavage five daily doses of 8.0 mg Hg/kg methyl- or ethylmercuric chloride or 9.6 mg Hg/kg ethylmercuric chloride. Three or 10 days after the last treatment day rats treated with either 8.0 or 9.6 mg Hg/kg ethylmercury had higher total or organic mercury concentrations in blood and lower concentrations in kidneys and brain than methylmercury-treated rats. In each of these tissues the inorganic mercury concentration was higher after ethyl- than after methylmercury. Weight loss relative to the expected body weight and renal damage was higher in ethylmercury-treated rats than in rats given equimolar doses of methylmercury. These effects became more severe when the dose of ethylmercury was increased by 20%. Thus in renotoxicity the renal concentration of inorganic mercury seems to be more important than the concentration of organic or total mercury. In methylmercury-treated rats damage and inorganic mercury deposits were restricted to the P2 region of the proximal tubules, while in ethylmercury-treated rats the distribution of mercury and damage was more widespread. There was little difference in the neurotoxicities of methylmercury and ethylmercury when effects on the dorsal root ganglia or coordination disorders were compared. Based on both criteria, an equimolar dose of ethylmercury was less neurotoxic than methylmercury, but a 20% increase in the dose of ethylmercury was enough to raise the sum of coordination disorder scores slightly and ganglion damage significantly above those in methylmercury-treated rats.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4091651

            New Study Verifies Mercury In Flu Shots Is Toxic
            http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-study-verifies-mercury-in-flu-shots-is-toxic-118432874.html

            New Study Verifies Mercury In Flu Shots Is Toxic

            Integrating Experimental (In Vitro and In Vivo) Neurotoxicity Studies of Low-dose Thimerosal Relevant to Vaccines

            José G. Dórea

            Abstract

            There is a need to interpret neurotoxic studies to help deal with uncertainties surrounding pregnant mothers, newborns and young children who must receive repeated doses of Thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs). This review integrates information derived from emerging experimental studies (in vitro and in vivo) of low-dose Thimerosal (sodium ethyl mercury thiosalicylate). Major databases (PubMed and Web-of-science) were searched for in vitro and in vivo experimental studies that addressed the effects of low-dose Thimerosal (or ethylmercury) on neural tissues and animal behaviour. Information extracted from studies indicates that: (a) activity of low doses of Thimerosal against isolated human and animal brain cells was found in all studies and is consistent with Hg neurotoxicity; (b) the neurotoxic effect of ethylmercury has not been studied with co-occurring adjuvant-Al in TCVs; (c) animal studies have shown that exposure to Thimerosal-Hg can lead to accumulation of inorganic Hg in brain, and that (d) doses relevant to TCV exposure possess the potential to affect human neuro-development. Thimerosal at concentrations relevant for infants’ exposure (in vaccines) is toxic to cultured human-brain cells and to laboratory animals. The persisting use of TCV (in developing countries) is counterintuitive to global efforts to lower Hg exposure and to ban Hg in medical products; its continued use in TCV requires evaluation of a sufficiently nontoxic level of ethylmercury compatible with repeated exposure (co-occurring with adjuvant-Al) during early life.

            http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11064-011-0427-0

            Flu vaccines and regardless of containing Thimerosal, and as well the aluminum adjuvant containing Dtap vaccine, are CDC recommended for all pregnant women.

            Now lets look at some study science that the CDC is obviously ignoring. Be sure to follow this all the way to the end.

            Maternal immune activation yields offspring displaying mouse versions of the three core symptoms of autism

            Natalia V. Malkova*, Collin Z. Yu, Elaine Y. Hsiao, Marlyn J. Moore, and Paul H. Patterson
            Biology Division, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA 91125

            Abstract
            The core symptoms of autism are deficits in social interaction and language, and the presence of repetitive/stereotyped behaviors. We demonstrate that behaviors related to these symptoms are present in a mouse model of an environmental risk factor for autism, maternal infection. We stimulate the maternal immune system by injecting the viral mimic poly(I:C) during pregnancy, and analyze the social and communicative behaviors of the offspring. In one test, young pups respond to a brief separation from the mother with ultrasonic vocalizations (USVs). We find that, compared to pups born to saline-injected mothers, pups born to maternal immune activation (MIA) mothers produce a lower rate of USVs in the isolation test starting at day 8. The quality of the vocalizations is also different; analysis of sound spectrograms of ten day-old pups shows that male pups from MIA mothers emit significantly fewer harmonic and more complex and short syllables. These communication differences are also apparent in adult offspring. Compared to controls, adult MIA males emit significantly fewer USVs in response to social encounters with females or males, and display reduced scent marking in response to female urine. Regarding a second autism symptom, MIA males display decreased sociability. In a third test of characteristic autism behaviors, MIA offspring exhibit increased repetitive/stereotyped behavior in both marble burying and self-grooming tests. In sum, these results indicate that MIA yields male offspring with deficient social and communicative behavior, as well as high levels of repetitive behaviors, all of which are hallmarks of autism.

            http://vaccinepapers.org/wp-content/uploads/Maternal-immune-activation-yields-offspring-displaying-mouse-versions-of-the-three-core-symptoms-of-autism.pdf

            Warning to Pregnant Mothers – Toxic Dose of Aluminum in the Tdap
            by Paul Thomas, Pediatrician
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY6vXEMsU8

            Here below is the current CDC vaccine schedule for pregnant women.

            Influenza (Inactivated)
            Tdap

            Guidelines for Vaccinating Pregnant Women
            https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pregnancy/hcp/guidelines.html
            https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/committee/guidance/rec-vac-preg.html

          • Jack Sprat

            Okay Lowell, hear me. There is one (1) childhood vaccine that may contain Themirosal, and there is a Themirosal free option available for it. I admire your tenacity, however in a more general sense you are a vapid idiot. You are not too stupid to learn, you simply choose not to. Idiot. Out.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Yes, that is the flu vaccine which some contain the full 25 mcg of Thimerosal, (not spelled Themirosal). To my knowledge and by the inserts those are not used for anyone under 18 years of age. The inactivated vaccines still contain trace amounts of Thimerosal due to manufacturing processes the full dose is added in, and then said removed to all but trace amounts in final production. I provided a list of those amounts.

            In your own vapid idiocy, no identity Sprat; I would suggest that you realize that I have never pushed the Thimerosal (mercury) issue as serious risk factor in regard to childhood vaccines. However i have pointd out the risk to those over 18 getting the flu vaccine, and as well pregnant women that may not even know or be told that they flu vaccine contains 25 mcg of Thimerosal. Now, only a so called vapid idiot would not agree that such practices are recklessly non scientific but down right criminal in nature. Why has the CDC and/or FDA ever issued a warning against the use of Thimerosal containing flu vaccines intended for pregnant women?

            If you can not comprehend any of this and/or agree with any of this; then it is actually you that is the real idiot, and as well that is actually and obviously to stupid to learn. You can continue on maintaining your own obvious ignorance, but the health and well being of large numbers of people are actually at stake here, and in the thinking as you do.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Research & Critiques

            Thimerosal is an organic compound that is 49.6% ethyl mercury by weight. Developed as an antiseptic and antibacterial product, pharmaceutical companies began to use thimerosal in vaccines in the 1930s for the intended purpose of preventing bacterial contamination due to repeated needle punctures into multi-dose vials of vaccine. Below are links to abstracts from over 190 research studies detailing the effects of including thimerosal in vaccines.

            https://worldmercuryproject.org/thimerosal-history/research-critiques/

            Remember that all inactivated childhood vaccines still contain so called trace amounts of Thimerosal, and remember as well that all of those vaccines as well contain a vaccine aluminum adjuvant.

            Review
            Exposure to Mercury and Aluminum in Early Life:
            Developmental Vulnerability as a Modifying Factor in
            Neurologic and Immunologic Effects
            José G. Dórea
            Department of Nutrition, Faculty of Health Sciences, Universidade de Brasilia, 70919-970 DF Brasilia,

            Abstract: Currently, ethylmercury (EtHg) and adjuvant-Al are the dominating interventional exposures encountered by fetuses, newborns, and infants due to immunization with Thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs). Despite their long use as active agents of medicines and fungicides, the safety levels of these substances have never been determined, either for animals or for adult humans—much less for fetuses, newborns, infants, and children. I reviewed the literature for papers reporting on outcomes associated with (a) multiple exposures and metabolism of EtHg and Al during early life; (b) physiological and metabolic characteristics of newborns, neonates, and infants relevant to xenobiotic exposure and effects; (c) neurobehavioral, immunological, and inflammatory reactions to Thimerosal and Al-adjuvants resulting from TCV exposure in infancy. Immunological and neurobehavioral effects of Thimerosal-EtHg and Al-adjuvants are not extraordinary; rather, these effects are easily detected in high and low income countries, with co-exposure to methylmercury (MeHg) or other neurotoxicants. Rigorous and replicable studies (in different animal species) have shown evidence of EtHg and Al toxicities. More research attention has been given to EtHg and findings have showed a solid link with neurotoxic effects in humans; however, the potential synergic effect of both toxic agents has not been properly studied. Therefore, early life exposure to both EtHg and Al deserves due consideration.

            file:///C:/Users/LH/Downloads/ijerph-12-01295.pdf

          • Jack Sprat

            Yawn.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Cheap and lazy shill reply. Find something original.

          • Jack Sprat

            The Copy/paster savant says find something original. That is funny. CP Savant it is.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You the sick refuser of all real and the actual evidence of the truth information, claims that the truth is put forth by a savant. How shillary typical.

          • ciaparker2

            It is well-known that mercury poisoning can cause optic neuritis, which is often the first symptom of impending MS.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Mercury poisoning may also be accompanied by peripheral polyneuropathy (sensorimotor axonopathy) that affects mainly the lower extremities. These are characterized by painful paresthesias and muscle atrophy. Blurred vision, narrowing of the visual fields, optic neuritis, optic atrophy, nystagmus, vertigo, and sensory ataxia have also been observed.”
            My oh my, Cia. And there was I thinking that mercury poisoning was “identical” to autism. Thank you for proving me wrong!
            @kfunk937:disqus @jacksprat38:disqus

          • kfunk937
          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake
          • Mike Stevens

            Indeed.
            At least Cia accepts that they are nothing alike.
            I wonder when her brain will implode with the weight of all the contradictory opinions it is trying to cram in.

          • ciaparker2

            Are you really that clueless? The systems affected by mercury toxicity depend on numerous factors, such as the method of delivery and the age of the victim. Mercury poisoning can cause a VAST array of symptoms. In a small child who hasn’t developed much if any language yet, mercury poisoning can destroy the language and social area of his brain, aka autism. In adults it’s more likely to affect the nervous and motor systems, aka MS (or Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s). Although adults can have their language affected too: my father lost the ability to speak for a month after he got the flu vaccine which paralyzed him. And Alzheimer’s patients first lose their memory and mind, then lose the ability to speak, then become paralyzed and bedridden. It the days when syphilis was treated with mercury medications, the disorder was called dementia.

          • Acleron

            ‘People with tertiary syphilis may experience:

            meningitis
            strokes
            dementia symptoms
            loss of co-ordination
            numbness
            vision problems or blindness
            heart problems’

            The rest of her post is equally incorrect.

          • FallsAngel

            Maybe cia has tertiary syphilis herself. Def the dementia. Did you see where she said HPV prevents cancer?
            “And everyone should know that most sexually-active people get an HPV
            infection at some point, and well over 90% of them recover completely
            within a relatively short time. And this exposure actually PREVENTS
            cervical cancer in them.”

            http://disq.us/p/1pmdevf

          • JoeFarmer

            She has definitely gotten progressively worse over the last 6 months.

          • Acleron

            Good grief, she is just awful.

          • Mike Stevens

            Cia, I wish I had the time to correct all of your Gish Gallop of blatant lies and pig-ignorant medical misinformation, but I don’t.

            Suffice to say, you have made a novel claim that I haven’t heard from you before, namely that the advanced stages of syphilis (a degenerative meningoencephalitis caused by spirochetes in the brain, called “GPI”) is caused by mercury poisoning, the mercury having been given to some people in an attempt to cure their syphilis.

            GPI is a late, tertiary syphilitic manifestation and can be diagnosed at lumbar puncture, which confirms the bacterial invasion of the nervous system. CSF abnormalities are typical, with elevated lymphocytes and protein concentrations, isolation of bacteria, and positive CSF serology. In other words, there is no doubt that this is a manifestation of neurosyphilis, and not due to anything else.

            Historical attempts to use mercury compounds to treat syphilis were not successful, and did not last long. Fever therapy in the early 1900s did prove to have some success, particularly using malaria to induce the fever (malariotherapy).
            [At this point I must digress and ask you your opinion as to why inducing a fever (in someone you think has mercury toxicity in the brain) was so successful, as demonstrated by several trials, when you seem to imagine inducing a fever in someone who has mercury toxicity actually makes them worse and precipitates manifestations such as schizophrenia. But no doubt your usual rampant cognitive dissonance will derive a thoroughly implausible tale to try and explain away this obvious contradiction in your thinking about the matter…]

            But GPI was only fully successfully treated once we entered the penicillin era after WW2. We still see cases of GPI (in the absence of mercury treatments), and 2strangely enough” GPI responds to syphilis antibiotic treatment, clearly demonstrating that it is due to syphilis spirochetes, and not due to your imaginary mercury poisoning.

            Here is a nice history on advanced neurosyphilis for you to look at, if you wish:
            http://pubmedcentralcanada.ca/pmcc/articles/PMC1054065/pdf/brjvendis00143-0013.pdf

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            You are only as ignorant in your replies as your in denial mind directs you to be.

            CONCLUSION:
            These results suggest that the levels of Hg-toxicity-associated porphyrins are higher in children with an ASD diagnosis than controls. Although the pattern seen (increased 5cxP, prcP, and cP) is characteristic of Hg toxicity, the influence of other factors, such as genetics and other metals cannot be completely ruled out.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20626635

            This review found 91 studies that examine the potential relationship between mercury and ASD from 1999 to February 2016. Of these studies, the vast majority (74%) suggest that mercury is a risk factor for ASD, revealing both direct and indirect effects. The preponderance of the evidence indicates that mercury exposure is causal and/or contributory in ASD.

            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X16300931

            The results showed that the ASD children in the present study had increased blood Hg and Pb levels compared with healthy control children indicating that disordered porphyrin metabolism might interfere with the pathology associated with the autistic neurologic phenotype. The present study indicates that coproporphyrin and precoproporhyrin may be utilized as possible biomarkers for heavy metal exposure and autism severity in children with ASD.

            https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11011-016-9870-6

            These findings demonstrate that porphyrin measures are strong predictors of both AUT and PDD-NOS, and support the potential clinical utility of urinary porphyrin measures for identifying a subgroup of ASD subjects in whom disordered porphyrin metabolism may be a salient characteristic.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22298513

            More studies.
            https://circleofdocs.com/30-solid-scientific-studies-that-prove-vaccines-cause-autism/

            Dirty Vaccines: New Study Reveals Prevalence of Contaminants

            Every Human Vaccine Tested Was Contaminated by Unsafe Levels of Metals and Debris Linked to Cancer and Autoimmune Disease, New Study Reports

            Researchers examining 44 samples of 30 different vaccines found dangerous contaminants, including red blood cells in one vaccine and metal toxicants in every single sample tested – except in one animal vaccine.

            Using extremely sensitive new technologies not used in vaccine manufacturing, Italian scientists reported they were “baffled” by their discoveries which included single particles and aggregates of organic debris including red cells of human or possibly animal origin and metals including lead, tungsten, gold, and chromium, that have been linked to autoimmune disease and leukemia.

            In the study, published this week in the International Journal of Vaccines and Vaccination, the researchers led by Antonietta Gatti, of the National Council of Research of Italy and the Scientific Director of Nanodiagnostics, say their results “show the presence of micro- and nano-sized particulate matter composed of inorganic elements in vaccine samples” not declared in the products’ ingredients lists.

            Lead particles were found in the cervical cancer vaccines, Gardasil and Cervarix, for example, and in the seasonal flu vaccine Aggripal manufactured by Novartis as well as in the Meningetec vaccine meant to protect against meningitis C.

            Samples of an infant vaccine called Infarix Hexa (against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis B, poliomyelitis and haemophilus influenzae type B) manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline was found to contain stainless steel, tungsten and a gold-zinc aggregate.

            Other metal contaminants included platinum, silver, bismuth, iron, and chromium. Chromium (alone or in alloy with iron and nickel) was identified in 25 of the human vaccines from Italy and France that were tested.

            GSK’s Fluarix vaccine for children three years and older contained 11 metals and aggregates of metals. Similar aggregates to those identified in the vaccines have been shown to be prevalent in cases of leukemia, the researchers noted.

            Many of the vaccines contained iron and iron alloys which, according to the researchers, “can corrode and the corrosion products exert a toxicity affecting the tissues”.

            READ MORE:
            http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/dirty-vaccines-new-study-reveals-prevalence-of-contaminants

          • Mike Stevens

            “It is well-known that mercury poisoning can cause optic neuritis, which is often the first symptom of impending MS.”
            which you insist means….mercury poisoning causes MS.

            Your logic circuits seem to have got a little fried, Cia.
            Let me explain why. Optic nerve damage may indeed be caused by mercury poisoning, and it also can happen with MS. But these are 2 entirely independent aetiologies of nerve damage.

            A causes X
            B causes X
            ….Therefore A causes B?
            I don’t think so.

            Example: “It is well known that malaria can cause sweats, which are often a first symptom of the menopause.”
            All I’d conclude from this is that they have an overlapping symptom set.
            However, you would conclude that malaria is the cause of the menopause.

          • shay simmons

            It is well known that Ebola can cause hair loss, which is often a symptom of hypothyroidism. Therefore….

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Travel sickness pills are a contraceptive!

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            What Shayla? Try and keep up here as to the subject matter, and be a bit more coherent.

          • ciaparker2

            And so we must conclude that nothing can ever be considered proven. If someone punches you in the mouth, and you fall to the ground, well, there are many things which might cause you to fall to the ground, aren’t there? Slipping on ice, a heart attack, and many other occurrences might cause you to fall to the ground, meaning that it can NEVER be proven that the punch in the mouth was what did it. Not only that, but punching you anywhere on your body might eventuate in the same painful result. And not only THAT, but the punch in the face might cause a number of completely different injuries, loss of teeth, loss of consciousness, concussion, a broken neck… And so, you see, the causative factors can NEVER be determined with any degree of certainty.

            In the real world, of course, we make do with the obvious.

          • Mike Stevens

            You still are using the wrong analogy, Cia.

            You are trying to say that a punch is the cause of heart attacks, because they both could cause you to fall over.

            I’m just pointing out how illogical that is.
            (Hint: substitute mercury for punch, and MS for heart attack, and optic neuritis for falling over.
            You would get “Mercury poisoning is the cause of MS, because they both could cause optic neuritis”)
            Truly a crazy conclusion, huh?

          • ciaparker2

            You know the reasons that mercury poisoning is the only explanation for my MS. The brachial plexus neuropathy, paralyzing both arms starting the same day as the tetanus booster. You know, or can easily look it up, that vaccine mercury has been associated with causing brachial plexus neuropathy: it is believed that it’s related to new vaccine mercury interacting with old, stored vaccine mercury. Then much later, the first symptoms of MS started at the same time as a high fever in Italy activated the vaccine mercury stored in my brain, just as a high fever activated bowel disease (also a symptom of mercury poisoning) in my daughter and nephew. In me it was permanent severe insomnia, in them permanent severe constipation. In my daughter it’s controlled only by a strict Paleo diet, no gluten or dairy. I also had extreme fatigue the rest of that summer in Europe. I later developed other symptoms, ataxia, double vision, numbness, dizziness and nausea, fatigue, and was finally diagnosed with MS by MRI. When I took chelating agents, after years on the Andy Cutler protocol, I tried ascorbyl palmitate, which pulls stored vaccine mercury from the brain. Oil-soluble vitamin C, nothing more. The first night it exacerbated the insomnia so that I couldn’t sleep no matter what I took. I went from six a day to one, but a couple of weeks later had the first of many acute mercury poisoning attacks: sudden attacks of extreme dizziness, nausea, and vomiting, also sweating, which is unusual for me and complete loss of balance. The coming on suddenly out of the blue is a symptom of mercury attacks, as are all the symptoms I mentioned. They were identical to those of my second severe MS attack, diagnosed by a neurologist, when I couldn’t turn my head even a half inch to the left without vomiting. I had to miss teaching for a week. You are aware of what happened after the ascorbyl palmitate. The homeopathic Mer Detox, one dose six months after my last attack caused by ascorbyl palmitate, caused another series of attacks, starting a few hours after I took the one dose, and lasting on and off for two months. Then the Indian homeopath’s remedies for pulling mercury out of the brain. Then Citra something (what was it?). Then inadvertently taking too much ALA in the Andy Cutler chelation, which I went back to. I take something produced to pull vaccine mercury from the brain, and no matter what the modality, it starts another series of severe attacks of mercury poisoning. All of them lasting for two months once or twice a week except for the Citra one, which I stopped as soon as it started making me dizzy.

            MS did not exist before industrial mercury pollution started in the nineteenth century. And don’t give me the Ludwiga narrative or I’ll put up what Alain said. The symptoms of MS are identical to some of those of mercury poisoning. And those of autism are too. And Alzheimer’s. And Parkinson’s. Because all of them are caused by mercury poisoning.

          • Mike Stevens

            Yawn…

            “The symptoms of MS are identical to some of those of mercury poisoning.
            And those of autism are too. And Alzheimer’s. And Parkinson’s. Because
            all of them are caused by mercury poisoning.”

            That’s another classic for the Cia brainfart album.

          • ciaparker2

            Yeah, go to sleep. You might as well. You have no interest in autism, Alzheimer’s, MS, etc., because you know better than anyone that vaccines cause them. Mercury for sure, probably aluminum as well, alone or synergistically. Autism can also be caused by simple vaccine encephalitis, with no mercury involved.

            I presented the events which happened to me. A scientist would either say that yes, prima facie, I was damaged by vaccine mercury. If he thought there were another possible explanation, he would present it and suggest a study design to ascertain the truth. You just say Oh, total coincidence that you just happened to have both arms paralyzed the same day as a mercury-containing tetanus booster, total coincidence that a high fever initiated the symptoms of what would later be diagnosed as sometimes-paralyzing MS, total coincidence that the symptoms of loss of balance, dizziness, and vomiting happened in several different “trials” when you took different agents known for pulling stored mercury from the brain, total coincidence that the symptoms of nausea and vomiting and inability to turn your head to the left caused by taking mercury-releasing agents were identical to those of your second severe attack of MS, diagnosed by a neurologist, when turning your head to the left caused violent waves of nausea and vomiting. You just have no sense of what a cause-and-effect sequence is. Total coincidence that your symptoms from both MS attacks and mercury-releasing attacks were identical to some of those of mercury toxicity.

            Do you know how to play the fiddle while Rome burns?

          • Mike Stevens

            A scientist would say:
            “Bring on the men in white coats.”

          • ciaparker2

            You think that because you only associate with Merck-employed scientists.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Wrong, mercury and as well as vaccine aluminum adjuvants can cause immune system dysregulation and resulting autoimmune conditions and MS is clearly an autoimmune condition. If you get a molecule of mercury within a spinal nerve and the immune system calls out non self, then what? Autoimmune conditions can prompt a direct attack from the immune system, and not all autoimmune disease is the same, or attacks the very same physiological systems.

          • Bored Now

            There is no other explanation for what has happened to me.

            …that you are mentally capable of accepting due to an epic amount of your identity invested in your ideas.

            Whereas someone like me loses exactly nothing if you turn out to be correct. I’ve already— at various times — laid out exactly what is required to convince me, provided rational basis for that criteria and demonstrated that it is both internally consistent and consistent with my current set of beliefs.

          • ciaparker2

            You’re falling apart, aren’t you? Insulting innocent, vaccine-damaged commenters who are new to all this? Maybe you should ask for a short vacation and see if you can pull yourself together.

          • Mike Stevens

            I’m insulting quacks, not Elizabeth.
            I have several holidays planned in the next 3 months, Cia.
            Paris (again), Venice, Vienna and Prague.
            I’ll be sure to send you pics.

          • ciaparker2

            I’m so glad your pastime supports such pleasures! I’ve never been to Prague. I’d like to go to Poznan, Poland, to see what I could find out about my great-grandmother who was born there. Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia would be delightful, and safe, which must be such a relief for you. Yes, do be sure to send me pictures!

          • FallsAngel

            That’s the strangest anecdote I’ve heard in a while. 80% of the US flu vaccine supply is thimerosal-free. No vaccine contains mercury.
            Source: CDC

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Obviously there still exists Thimerosal in some vaccines.

            Thimerosal Content of Available FDA-Approved Seasonal Influenza Vaccines
            https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

          • ciaparker2

            Single-dose flu vaccines still contain “trace amounts'” of mercury which are still dangerous, but nothing like as much as they used to have. Here you can special order a mercury-free (except for trace amounts) Fluzone flu vaccine if you want one. Most people don’t know that around half of injected flu vaccines (from multi-dose vials) still have as much mercury as they ever did. Personally, I would never take a flu vaccine and never have. My father was paralyzed for the last three years of his life by one.

          • Ron Roy

            Even trace amounts of mercury can lead to health problems when aluminum is used as an adjuvant: ”Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials
            at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is
            synergistic toxicity – mercury’s enhanced effect when other poisons are
            present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of
            aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking
            effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a
            1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality
            rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain
            aluminum.” Mercury on the
            Mind by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

          • ciaparker2

            Very true. Do you think any of the shills can suggest a replacement for the aluminum in vaccines? Not that I would ever get another one, but for the sake of those who might like to get some of them.

          • Ron Roy

            They’ve tried squalene but look at what that lead to.

          • ciaparker2

            You would think they’d just try homeopathic prophylaxis, proven to be so safe and effective.

          • sabelmouse

            people are to brainwashed.

          • Nonsheep

            Karen, get your head out of the brown pipe. Hardly anyone signs consent forms, they get a letter to attend and just go. The senile just get the mandatory jollop, it is like one flew over the cookoo’s nest.

          • AutismDadd

            Sure give vaccines to seniors with weak immune systems. RED FLAG ALERT!

          • FallsAngel

            No one “imposes” a high-dose vaccine on the elderly. The elderly have several choices-regular dose trivalent; regular dose quadrivalent; bibe egg-based regular dose; high dose (4X the dose) trivalent; adjuvanted vaccine. The patient chooses!

          • Patti Blankenbaker

            Sorry, you’re wrong. In all the years I have received the flu shot, (and I am now 73), I was NEVER told I had ANY choices. They just gave me a flu shot. I had one again this year and was never given any choices.

          • FallsAngel

            The high dose flu vaccine came out in 2010, the adjuvanted flu vaccine came out in 2016. Both are for seniors only. Before that, there was just the standard vaccine available for seniors. I was offered a choice at Walgreens.

          • AutismDadd

            Buh Wah Ha Ha Walgreens? Just shows vacs are a PRODUCT sold for profit.

          • tomonthebay

            And what drug or medical product or vitamin or supplement isn’t sold for profit dudd?

          • AutismDadd

            Exactly. Vaccines are made for profit, they aren’t some free miracle created to help mankind.

          • tomonthebay

            Who ever said they were a free miracle? The miracle part is correct.

          • AutismDadd

            How ludicrous

          • tomonthebay

            The good news is my insurance will cover my shingles vaccine, so it will not cost me anything out of pocket. Consider how nasty shingles can be I would pay for it if I had to.

          • AutismDadd

            Make a donation to an autism group

          • Bea Rudd

            Did you ask if you have other choices ? It’s your life and your health, and it’s your decision to have one except when is mandatory.

          • joe

            Do you live in Russia? Here in Australia my doctor ALWAYS asks me if I want the Flu shot.

          • Vickie Brown

            Guillaume Barre was almost epidemic back in the early 70’s when the swine flu and vaccine hit!

          • AutismDadd

            A hockey player from the NHL Ducks is suffering from it and may have to retire. Patrick Eaves may die before recovering.

          • CharlieSeattle

            sad

          • joe

            My son got Guillaume Barre disease just after he fell off his bike.

          • Vickie Brown

            There are two things that can be on a death certificate….COD otherwise known as Cause of Death and MOD…Manner of Death. The MOD is used to give more info about the COD.

          • Nonsheep

            They used to put ‘vaccinia’ or ‘vaccinosis’ when they knew the vaccine had killed you, compulsory small pox vaccine provoked national riots in the UK because the vaccine was causing smallpox.

          • FrenchKissed

            I have read through some of the San Francisco coroner’s records from the mid-19th century and noticed that most people over the age of sixty at the time of their death died of “old age” or “senility.” Sure, there were some accidental deaths, homicides and disease outbreaks that claimed the elderly, but for the most part, if the COD wasn’t obvious and the person had reached a certain age before turning up his toes (an age which no longer seems all that old, either) the’d just say “hey, he was old; he was going to die sooner or later… what did you expect?”

            Nowadays that would be completely unacceptable. No one dies of old age or natural causes. People die from heart attacks, strokes, cancers, drug overdoses, automobile accidents and so on and so forth. A coroner might tell a family that their loved one died from natural causes to spare them further upset when it isn’t necessary. But they won’t list it as the COD in any official capacity.

          • Nonsheep

            No 3 killer in the US after cancer and heart attack is going to your doctor! That is on the ‘right’ medication, not the wrong one! It is safer to ignore doctors and take nothing than go.

          • kfunk937

            For the benefit of readers/lurkers, the top three leading causes of death in the US are, in descending order: heart disease, cancer, and COPD.As they were the last 50 times Phildo posted this tripe. And as they have been for the last I don’t even how long.FWIW, flagged @Nonsheep:disqus for posting ~25 spam and/or harassing comments in less than ten minutes (most in the 1st five), with no end in sight. Next, @disqus_RTO5fgvIOd:disqus will “strike up a conversation” with his sockpuppet, @doomsday:disqus .

          • joe

            Thanks for the heads up Kfunk937

          • kfunk937

            I just happened to be here leaving a comment when I saw the flurry of activity. Wow. Never seen it in real time before. Lol.

          • joe

            Yeah it’s all go at the moment

          • AutismDadd

            And after you go, wipe and flush

          • Nonsheep

            Yes medical mythology happens in fantasy time, I suppose watching someone call you out must hurt a bit, but someones gotta do it.

          • Acleron

            You must get hurt a lot.

          • AutismDadd

            Yea heads up your arse

          • Nonsheep

            Kfuc is a septic troll from science based gibberish, hosted by David Gorski. She often frots over at the septicrectum aka raptor.

          • D.Plorable

            I’ve always thought it curious how the gaggle of “skeptics” all agree with each other. GMOs, fluoride, vaccines, anthropogenic climate change (spare digression on how quick they all changed from the initial “warming” theme). Their demigod Dawkins says if you question any of this you’re stupid or crazy. As if GMO or vaccines are just “an” issue when they are both multiple, particular issues that can’t be explained away easily. So, they go for the “Hail Mary” of blanket denial and disparagement. Interesting how in his latest book Dawkins dismisses the emerging field of epigenetics and its profound implications for many critical issues with a one-half sentence reference. The lie of omission writ large.

            I turned on C-Span BookTV recently and Dawkins was speaking before a group of the technorati of Silicon Valley, as I tuned in he was holding forth on….the terrors of the Electoral College. I just switched over to C-Span 3 where you can at least learn some history you didn’t know (or perhaps be entertained by the graspings of some establishment “scholars” as they attempt to dance around recent evidence that messes up their regime).

          • Acleron

            What you have listed is a series of topics backed by evidence.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Well guess what, that is known a load of crap, and I think that you actually know that it is. Modern medicine as a whole is the leading cause of death in the US at just a under 1 million caused deaths per year. The numbers for heart disease and cancer individually, are lower than that. And so obviously then as well we have also confirmed that you flag people as an attempted means of direct censorship in hoping the information gets pulled down.

            Death by Medicine
            http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf

            Death By Medicine
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/death-by-medicine.html

            MEDICINE KILLS MILLIONS (direct data and statistics)
            http://medicinekillsmillions.com/

            Conventional Medicine is the Leading Cause of Death
            https://draxe.com/conventional-medicine-is-the-leading-cause-of-death/

            PHARMA DEATH CLOCK

            TOTAL DEATHS IN THE UNITED STATES SINCE JANUARY 1, 2000…

            BIG PHARMA’S CHEMICAL WARFARE ON HUMANITY DWARFS THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS KILLED BY ALL WORLD WARS AND ACTS OF TERRORISM COMBINED…

            While drug companies profit billions, people are dying by the millions.

            Read more:
            http://pharmadeathclock.com/

            Medical Errors Alone Are No. 3 Cause Of U.S Deaths, Researchers Say
            https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/05/03/476636183/death-certificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors

            100 Years of Medical Robbery – 100 Years of US Medical Fascism

            This weekend (June 11-13, 2004), the American Medical Association (AMA) will celebrate the 100th anniversary of its Council on Medical Education. The medical establishment understandably sees the formation of the Council as a good thing. However, some patients aren’t ready to celebrate yet, and their instincts may be good.

            Read more:
            https://mises.org/library/100-years-medical-robbery

            How many medical doctors ever learn of this actual history in medical school? None of them ever do.

            100 Years of US Medical Fascism

            One hundred years ago today, on April 16, 1910, Henry Pritchett, president of the Carnegie Foundation, put the finishing touches on the Flexner Report.1 No other document would have such a profound effect on American medicine, starting it on its path to destruction up to and beyond the recently passed (and laughably titled) Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 (PPACA), a.k.a., “Obamacare.” Flexner can only be accurately understood in the context of what led up to it.

            Read more:
            https://mises.org/library/100-years-us-medical-fascism

          • kfunk937

            This will surely be lost on you, Lowell, but for other readers’ edification: Are medical errors really the third most common cause of death in the U.S.?

            Spoiler alert, and invocation of Betteridge’s Law: No.

            Also, while we’re at it: Brandolini’s Law, sometimes also known as the BS Asymmetry Principle.

          • ciaparker2

            No, it’s not medical errors. It’s deaths resulting from following a doctor’s orders. Not the same thing. But yes, everyone knows that it is the third leading cause of death in the US, after cancer and heart disease.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Modern big pharma medicine, its practices, and its hospitals, are all in all the leading cause of death in the US, and which is even more important to realize.

            Death by Medicine
            http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf

            Death by Medicine, (full version)
            http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2004/3/awsi_death/Page-01

          • Damo

            Lowell,aren’t you still in hiding after the fictional medical mafia put a hit on you?

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Never in hiding and never will be. Nothing of fiction, here. Why haven’t you ever grown any balls and the courage to use a real name?

          • Damo

            I use my real name all the time. I don’t need to share it with drunks on the internet.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Damo is your real name, and you have no last name. You can’t make a more BS and dishonest reply than that. I have my head on far straighter than you ever have and ever will, fool.

          • Damo

            Wow, you must be drunk right now. You didn’t even read what I typed.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Really? And you must have a literal hole in your head right now leaking out any form of honest reasoning and common sense; as what I and we were referring to is directly and only your replying on this article and elsewhere.

          • Damo

            Gibberish. Lay off the bottle.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            No bottle here at all, dumb-ass.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Hey Damo, I think you’re just still all butt hurt about getting banned from vactruth. Must have cut a chunk from your shillary check. Or do they pay you in bitcoins?

          • Damo

            Why would I care about VacTruth? It is an echo chamber where any honest people are banned. You are just mad because Mercola still hasn’t given you the big D.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            You were the most dishonest and personally attacking person there. I have nothing to do with Mercola and you should know that continued and idiotic clam is only further evidence of your own false accusations stupidity.

            9 Questions For The Pro-Vaxers
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/9-questions-for-the-pro-vaxers.html

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            Come on, crazed Damo; you know that you love this website.

            The Danger and Ineffectiveness of Flu Vaccines, with the concept of original antigenic sin information
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/danger-and-ineffectiveness-of-flu-vaccines.html

            Children Who Get Flu Vaccine Have Three Times Risk Of Hospitalization For Flu, Study Suggests
            https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090519172045.htm

            Tamiflu Deception – Learn The Real Truth
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/tamiflu-deception—learn-the-real-truth.html

            Vitamin C is Antiviral
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/vitamin-c-is-antiviral.html

            LIPOSOMAL ENCAPSULATED VITAMIN C
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/anti-viral—liposomal-encapsulated-vitamin-c.html

            Antipyretic Fever Treatments May Cause More Flu Deaths
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/antipyretic-fever-treatments-may-cause-more-flu-deaths.html

            Vaccine Caused Allergies, Asthma, and More
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/vaccine-caused-allergies-asthma-and-more.html

            And this one, and this one.

            VRM: Mycoplasma – Rogue Pathogen in Vaccines
            http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=14822

            Learn the RISK
            https://www.learntherisk.org/

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Lost on who? You depend on only your own wishful thinking, now don’t you. These statistics are quite real and if you actually looked. In fact it is likely to be much worse than that and as it details in the information and that is all records were recorded properly. You can twist it all around and throw anything you want to at it at all, but until you can come up with a way to directly refute and dismiss those findings, you have nothing

            Researchers: Medical errors now third leading cause of death in United States
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/05/03/researchers-medical-errors-now-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-united-states/?utm_term=.f3105743f150
            https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/could-medical-errors-be-no-3-cause-death-america-n568031

            Analysis
            Medical error—the third leading cause of death in the US
            http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139.full

            Medical Errors: STILL the Third Leading Cause of Death
            https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/05/18/medical-errors-death.aspx

            New Report: Preventable Medical Mistakes Account for One-Sixth of All Annual Deaths in the United States
            https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/09/preventable-medical-errors.aspx

            A New, Evidence-based Estimate of Patient Harms Associated with Hospital Care
            https://journals.lww.com/journalpatientsafety/Fulltext/2013/09000/A_New,_Evidence_based_Estimate_of_Patient_Harms.2.aspx

            Study: Medical Error Deaths 4.5 Times More Likely Than IOM Estimate
            https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/quality/study-medical-error-deaths-4-5-times-more-likely-than-iom-estimate.html

            How Many Die from Medical Mistakes in U.S. Hospitals?
            An updated estimate says it could be at least 210,000 patients a year, more than twice the number in a frequently quoted Institute of Medicine report
            https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals/

          • kfunk937

            QED, Lowell.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            “thus it has been demonstrated.”
            when the original proposition has been restated exactly, as the conclusion of the demonstration or completion of the proof.

            Next time, just speak English.

          • Damo

            Sorry, you can’t read. But it really aint her problem, now is it?

          • AutismDadd

            a demonstration of Dumo

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            I can read and determine this much of it in regard to kfunks claims …. ….demonstration or completion of the proof . . . as NOT been proven.

          • Nonsheep

            Hey, it’s Kfuc gingertotty, how’s your vaccine fallacy coming on, I see FGMpastaballs changed his name to drop the cliterollus chopping infer. Don’t see any of you over at the septicrectumus site, do you still smear on science based bull? With your friend the Gorky frog?

          • kfunk937

            ^^^proof of concept^^^

          • The Not So Handsome Stranger.

            Is he speaking some kind of a-v secret language?

          • FallsAngel

            Your vocabulary needs to expand beyond f***!

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            They smear feces on their faces, beat their chests, and chant, “HAIL TO GORSKI”.

          • Nonsheep

            Kock, Kfuc

          • FallsAngel

            F and D.

          • Damo

            Lowell, shouldn’t you be getting drunk, creating new usernames and harrassing me with “so-called truths” about how smart you are?

          • AutismDadd

            Shouldn’t you be lining up for a meal at the shelter?

          • Damo

            Nonsense from a fool.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            No alcohol here, and no other user names are being used. Do you have any more false discreditation lies. Don’t forget to provide evidence for any claims that you make.

          • Simon Clarke

            That’s because the stats included ” an unintended outcome”. So someone has a near fatal heart attack, they receive treatment but die anyway (because they are un-saveable) that gets marked down as unintended outcome and adds in to your stats. Whereas the truth is, they were just unsaveable and no treatment could have prolonged their life. Learn to read stats, don’t just skim.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            And that is the twisted trash that Gorski at no science there based skunk bag pro-big pharma blog told you, so it just has to be true, and which it isn’t. That data involves far more than just that.

            Gorski and his blogging trash have never published a single article in history that was ever correct and honest. Just a bunch of what ifs and twisted denial is all it ever amounts to.

          • Nonsheep

            Kfuc gingertotty is a pornstar septic from science based numbskulls, she gives science fallacy copy and terrible head.

          • FallsAngel

            f and d

          • joe

            I have this image of you laying on a hospital bed screaming “nurse nurse help me” and FallsAngel comes running over to help you, but before that, she reads your above comment, I can only just imagine the help she would give you. BLUNT injection comes to mind. or perhaps a cold shave in the pubic area without shaving cream OUCH!

          • FallsAngel

            LOL! Y’know, I’d do just what I learned on about day 2 of nursing school at the U of Pittsburgh, where Dr. Salk developed the polio vaccine about 15 years earlier. I’d suck it up and give Nonsheep the best care I could. But thanks.

          • joe

            Being a TRUE nurse that you are, I know you would do the best for Nonsheep, even though HE/SHE would not deserve it.

          • FallsAngel

            Thanks, joe!

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            You, standing there, self gratifying yourself in sickness, the whole time.

          • kfunk937

            Have another flag, phildo. You’ve earned it.

          • Nonsheep

            Quoting science based medical fallacy websites as ‘evidence’ is like asking a witch doctor which end of the cockerel to chop! You have to stop posting medical fallacy meme links Kfuc, it just makes you look like a stupid doll with red hair. Take that stupid had off.
            With your vaccine fallacy you definitely have a bad does of septicosis.

          • kfunk937

            ^^^Daydrinking again?^^^

          • Todd19731950

            Lots of pharma-paid trolls on here.

          • Damo

            Lowell, put the whiskey down and pick up a book.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            How about if you actually had some evidence for your attempted false discrediation claims?

          • Damo

            Shouldn’t you be sucking up to Mercola, hoping he will let you have some of the D?

          • AutismDadd

            Shouldn’t you be shining Offit’s boots?

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Offit refused to go on the VAXXED bus for an interview, what a coward.

            VaxXed Meets Paul Offit
            Published on Nov 21, 2016
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAJdyPNWnA

            Paul Offit Accidentally Speaks The Truth About MMR and Autism

            “…you can’t never really say MMR doesn’t cause autism.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2cHZa8t98w

          • AutismDadd

            He’s lying because its necessary. The truth would be like an A bomb going off

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            If he had any real study science and evidence to back up his vaccine safety and efficacy claims, he would have been man enough to calmly walk in that Vaxxed bus, and let it roll with that evidence. If Paul Offit wanted to question interview me, you know there would be no way of stopping me from going to that. What a coward. .

          • AutismDadd

            They would walk over the corpses of babies to continue the experimentation and pretty much have in essence.

          • http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com Lowell Hubbs

            They are some cold hearted and soulless creatures, that is for sure. Less than human.

          • Nonsheep

            Damo, put that Offitcock down.

          • AutismDadd

            Still hanging out with Ben Dover?

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            I operate quite well on my own and without needing anyone. All based on real facts and study science. Where is your evidence for the false garbage that you always attempt to post?

            All those repeated vaccines with immune system dysregulating aluminum adjuvants in them, and all that known and unknown injected vaccine contamination, is not a good thing. But then you never cared about what the truth is, but only further misguided attempts at promoting the known false vaccine propaganda.

            Vaccine Caused Allergies, Asthma, and More
            http://www.dirtybigpharmatruth.com/vaccine-caused-allergies-asthma-and-more.html

          • ciaparker2

            I just googled it and got a LOT of hits with many articles on doctors being the third leading cause of death in the US.

            https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=1_lnWrGjDI_-zgKVo5aoDQ&q=death+from+medical+orders+third+leading+cause+of+death&oq=death+from+medical+orders+third+leading+cause+of+death&gs_l=psy-ab.12…1990.18559.0.20479.62.55.1.0.0.0.519.7443.0j32j7j1j0j1.42.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..19.40.7167.6..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i20i264k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.147.oSlZ1alONMk

            From the top:
            The most recent data indicates that 251,000 deaths are due to medical errors, a frightening number. … And to put this in perspective, 614,000 patients die from heart disease and 591,000 from cancer, making medical errors the third leading cause of death.Jul 21, 2016

          • JoeFarmer

            Number of google hits has nothing to do with accuracy.

            I just googled, “I was abducted by aliens” and got 2,900,000 hits. Do you really think that number of hits lends credence to that claim?

          • Ron Roy

            When the fact that the third leading cause of death is medical errors can be found in a medical journal is it believable then? http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139

          • JoeFarmer

            Have you read the paper? It’s behind a paywall. I don’t see anything in the abstract that would support your claim.

          • Ron Roy

            ”Medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer,
            causing at least 250,000 deaths every year, according to an analysis
            out Tuesday indicating that patient safety efforts fall far short” ”The new estimate is drawn from more-recent studies indicating the number
            may be much higher. For instance, a report published in the journal
            Health Affairs in 2011 calculated that just over 1 percent of hospital
            patients die each year because of medical errors. When applied to the
            more than 35 million people hospitalized each year, Makary and Daniel
            say, this would “translate into 400,201 deaths per year, more than four
            times the original IOM report estimate.”.https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/medical-errors-are-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us

          • JoeFarmer

            So you haven’t read the paper then. Didn’t think you had.

            Without seeing their data, statistical methods and assumptions, I’m not about to agree.

          • AutismDadd

            Do what you usually do, post brain farts.

          • Nonsheep

            So let’s get this right pigfarmer, you think going to your doctor is safe?

          • AutismDadd

            Joe never misses a rectal exam

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            Joe Pharmer from big shill . . . farma.

          • AutismDadd

            Denial and deflection noted.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            How about if you took a look at this? Those numbers are real and they clearly indicate a very real problem, and which obviously will not get better, but only worse.

            http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139?sort_by=field_highwire_a_epubdate_value&sort_order=DESC&items_per_page=10&page=1&panels_ajax_tab_tab=bmj_related_rapid_responses&panels_ajax_tab_trigger=rapid-responses

          • JoeFarmer

            Lowell, you wouldn’t know statistics if it jumped up, punched you in the nose and stole your lunch money.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            You would say that no matter what and because you know that you can not actually respond in any honesty to what is right in front of you. In fact you have zero ability to actually debate any of this at all. Your denial does nothing to help you here at all. Those numbers are a serious indication of major problems within the allopathic so called medical field. That outcome is why thousands of people have gone to naturopathic health care, and in finding that it works so much better.

          • shay simmons

            Ron never reads his cites.

          • JoeFarmer

            Thought it was odd how he referenced it and linked to it. Usually it’s conspiracy blogs and looney rant sites.

          • Nonsheep

            Shay, propping up a dung heap argument makes you look like some medical science fallacy nut.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            You know that you did not even waste the time to read the abstract; so much again for your typical level of hypocrisy.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs
          • JoeFarmer

            You already spammed this link. You really should get help for your cognitive dysfunction. In the meantime, go steal a bike.

          • http://www.vacfacts.info/ Lowell Hubbs

            It appears to me that the cognitive dysfunction going on here is all your own. You can’t even make a direct reply to that added information, but only to make more attempted insults. You see all you did here was use the same false and well known pro-shillary response that you can’t respond to the study as it wasn’t the full study. You have had enough information to see directly what took place in that study.

          • Mike Stevens

            Cia would think so, but she is wary of Google since according to her it censors all hits that have antivaccine info.
            She prefers a russian search engine since that obviously has more truthiness.

          • Nonsheep

            Mikey, it looks like you got abducted by vaccine fallacy advocates, that is some belief fallacy you got there.

          • AutismDadd

            JoePharmer a complete clown

          • Nonsheep

            Joe farmer, I mean, if he is a doctor he is a john doe farmer!LOL

          • AutismDadd

            He’s a lousy troll