Harvard: Unvaccinated Children Pose Zero Risk

Harvard Immunologist says unvaccinated children pose no risk to vaccinated children

A Harvard immunologist has written an open letter explaining why unvaccinated children pose no risk to their vaccinated counterparts. 

Vaxxter.com reports:

Dear Legislator:

My name is Tetyana Obukhanych.  I hold a PhD in Immunology.  I am writing this letter in the hope that it will correct several common misperceptions about vaccines in order to help you formulate a fair and balanced understanding that is supported by accepted vaccine theory and new scientific findings.

Do unvaccinated children pose a higher threat to the public than the vaccinated?

It is often stated that those who choose not to vaccinate their children for reasons of conscience endanger the rest of the public, and this is the rationale behind most of the legislation to end vaccine exemptions currently being considered by federal and state legislators country-wide.  You should be aware that the nature of protection afforded by many modern vaccines – and that includes most of the vaccines recommended by the CDC for children – is not consistent with such a statement.  I have outlined below the recommended vaccines that cannot prevent transmission of disease either because they are not designed to prevent the transmission of infection (rather, they are intended to prevent disease symptoms), or because they are for non-communicable diseases.  People who have not received the vaccines mentioned below pose no higher threat to the general public than those who have, implying that discrimination against non-immunized children in a public school setting may not be warranted.

  1. IPV (inactivated poliovirus vaccine) cannot prevent transmission of poliovirus. Wild poliovirus has been non-existent in the USA for at least two decades. Even if wild poliovirus were to be re-imported by travel, vaccinating for polio with IPV cannot affect the safety of public spaces.  Please note that wild poliovirus eradication is attributed to the use of a different vaccine, OPV or oral poliovirus vaccine.  Despite being capable of preventing wild poliovirus transmission, use of OPV was phased out long ago in the USA and replaced with IPV due to safety concerns.
  2. Tetanus is not a contagious disease, but rather acquired from deep-puncture wounds contaminated with C. tetani spores. Vaccinating for tetanus (via the DTaP combination vaccine) cannot alter the safety of public spaces; it is intended to render personal protection only.
  3. While intended to prevent the disease-causing effects of the diphtheria toxin, the diphtheria toxoid vaccine (also contained in the DTaP vaccine) is not designed to prevent colonization and transmission of C. diphtheriae. Vaccinating for diphtheria cannot alter the safety of public spaces; it is likewise intended for personal protection only.
  4. The acellular pertussis (aP) vaccine (the final element of the DTaP combined vaccine), now in use in the USA, replaced the whole cell pertussis vaccine in the late 1990s, which was followed by an unprecedented resurgence of whooping cough. An experiment with deliberate pertussis infection in primates revealed that the aP vaccine is not capable of preventing colonization and transmission of B. pertussis. The FDA has issued a warning regarding this crucial finding.[1]
    Furthermore, the 2013 meeting of the Board of Scientific Counselors at the CDC revealed additional alarming data that pertussis variants (PRN-negative strains) currently circulating in the USA acquired a selective advantage to infect those who are up-to-date for their DTaP boosters, meaning that people who are up-to-date are more likely to be infected, and thus contagious, than people who are not vaccinated.
  5. Among numerous types of H. influenzae, the Hib vaccine covers only type b. Despite its sole intention to reduce symptomatic and asymptomatic (disease-less) Hib carriage, the introduction of the Hib vaccine has inadvertently shifted strain dominance towards other types of H. influenzae (types a through f).These types have been causing invasive disease of high severity and increasing incidence in adults in the era of Hib vaccination of children.  The general population is more vulnerable to the invasive disease now than it was prior to the start of the Hib vaccination campaign.  Discriminating against children who are not vaccinated for Hib does not make any scientific sense in the era of non-type b H. influenzae disease.
  6. Hepatitis B is a blood-borne virus. It does not spread in a community setting, especially among children who are unlikely to engage in high-risk behaviors, such as needle sharing or sex. Vaccinating children for hepatitis B cannot significantly alter the safety of public spaces.  Further, school admission is not prohibited for children who are chronic hepatitis B carriers.  To prohibit school admission for those who are simply unvaccinated – and do not even carry hepatitis B – would constitute unreasonable and illogical discrimination.

In summary, a person who is not vaccinated with IPV, DTaP, HepB, and Hib vaccines due to reasons of conscience poses no extra danger to the public than a person who is.  No discrimination is warranted.

How often do serious vaccine adverse events happen?

It is often stated that vaccination rarely leads to serious adverse events.  Unfortunately, this statement is not supported by science.  A recent study done in Ontario, Canada, established that vaccination actually leads to an emergency room visit for 1 in 168 children following their 12-month vaccination appointment and for 1 in 730 children following their 18-month vaccination appointment.

When the risk of an adverse event requiring an ER visit after well-baby vaccinations is demonstrably so high, vaccination must remain a choice for parents, who may understandably be unwilling to assume this immediate risk in order to protect their children from diseases that are generally considered mild or that their children may never be exposed to.

Can discrimination against families who oppose vaccines for reasons of conscience prevent future disease outbreaks of communicable viral diseases, such as measles?

Measles research scientists have for a long time been aware of the “measles paradox.” I quote from the article by Poland & Jacobson (1994) “Failure to Reach the Goal of Measles Elimination: Apparent Paradox of Measles Infections in Immunized Persons.” Arch Intern Med 154:1815-1820:

“The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.”[2]

Further research determined that behind the “measles paradox” is a fraction of the population called low vaccine responders.  Low-responders are those who respond poorly to the first dose of the measles vaccine.  These individuals then mount a weak immune response to subsequent RE-vaccination and quickly return to the pool of “susceptibles’’ within 2-5 years, despite being fully vaccinated.[3]

Re-vaccination cannot correct low-responsiveness: it appears to be an immuno-genetic trait.[4]  The proportion of low-responders among children was estimated to be 4.7% in the USA.[5]

Studies of measles outbreaks in Quebec, Canada, and China attest that outbreaks of measles still happen, even when vaccination compliance is in the highest bracket (95-97% or even 99%). This is because even in high vaccine responders, vaccine-induced antibodies wane over time.  Vaccine immunity does not equal life-long immunity acquired after natural exposure.

It has been documented that vaccinated persons who develop breakthrough measles are contagious.  In fact, two major measles outbreaks in 2011 (in Quebec, Canada, and in New York, NY) were re-imported by previously vaccinated individuals.[6][7]

Taken together, these data make it apparent that elimination of vaccine exemptions, currently only utilized by a small percentage of families anyway, will neither solve the problem of disease resurgence nor prevent re-importation and outbreaks of previously eliminated diseases.

Is discrimination against conscientious vaccine objectors the only practical solution?

The majority of measles cases in recent US outbreaks (including the recent Disneyland outbreak) are adults and very young babies, whereas in the pre-vaccination era, measles occurred mainly between the ages 1 and 15.  Natural exposure to measles was followed by lifelong immunity from re-infection, whereas vaccine immunity wanes over time, leaving adults unprotected by their childhood shots.  Measles is more dangerous for infants and for adults than for school-aged children.

Despite high chances of exposure in the pre-vaccination era, measles practically never happened in babies much younger than one year of age due to the robust maternal immunity transfer mechanism.  The vulnerability of very young babies to measles today is the direct outcome of the prolonged mass vaccination campaign of the past, during which their mothers, themselves vaccinated in their childhood, were not able to experience measles naturally at a safe school age and establish the lifelong immunity that would also be transferred to their babies and protect them from measles for the first year of life.

Luckily, a therapeutic backup exists to mimic now-eroded maternal immunity.  Infants as well as other vulnerable or immunocompromised individuals, are eligible to receive immunoglobulin, a potentially life-saving measure that supplies antibodies directed against the virus to prevent or ameliorate disease upon exposure.

In summary: 1) due to the properties of modern vaccines, non-vaccinated individuals pose no greater risk of transmission of polio, diphtheria, pertussis, and numerous non-type b H. influenzae strains than vaccinated individuals do, non-vaccinated individuals pose virtually no danger of transmission of hepatitis B in a school setting, and tetanus is not transmissible at all; 2) there is a significantly elevated risk of emergency room visits after childhood vaccination appointments attesting that vaccination is  not risk-free; 3) outbreaks of measles cannot be entirely prevented even if we had nearly perfect vaccination compliance; and 4) an effective method of preventing measles and other viral diseases in vaccine-ineligible infants and the immunocompromised, immunoglobulin, is available for those who may be exposed to these diseases.

Taken together, these four facts make it clear that discrimination in a public school setting against children who are not vaccinated for reasons of conscience is completely unwarranted as the vaccine status of conscientious objectors poses no undue public health risk.

Sincerely Yours,

~ Tetyana Obukhanych, PhD

  • John C Carleton

    Is she fired yet? She has violated Zionist Harvard Theology. She told the truth, that is not allowed by the Zionist USA, and Harvard is a tool of the zionist.

    • Frank C

      Good question!!!
      Sad, isn’t it?!

    • Frank C

      Good question!

    • Ralf Yuri

      Harvard is a
      satanic organization, but satan’s control is never total even in
      these organizations, God always places some of his sons even there, placed Joseph and Moses on Egypt.

      • Chuck Reed

        You and John should marry and have non vaccinated offspring.

        • Ralf Yuri

          He’s dating your mother.

      • Mike Stevens

        Irrelevant. She has no affiliations with Harvard, and is hijacking the name to make people think she has some valid experience and association with proper scientists.

        • Renè

          Just like you pretend to be in the Royal College of Physicians?

          • Mike Stevens

            So you admit she is pretending? That’s a start.

          • Renè
          • Mike Stevens

            That’s a photoshop. You are a despicable liar.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Then you should have no trouble quoting-and-linking to this comment of Mike’s, Mx. Escobar314.

            If he’s since edited, use the wayback machine.

          • Jonathan Graham

            I guess nobody caught Rene’s original text to his post…which he edited out later! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/facbb53b9fd978d7d0531cd5fbc3a8d4414a72cc2e0b3e26f392755aa7f8897e.png

            Notice how the time matches and in the bottom left you can see the same message url? Even this my screenshot is also a forgery. It’s clearly a much better job than Rene’s poor attempt.

          • Miκe Stevens

            So you have better software than me.

            I tried to get Adobe, but I was out of space on my hard drive.

            Which font did you use? Microsoft?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            “So you have better software than me.”

            Or better wetware.

          • Realiτy022

            Big words for a DerpTurtle.

            Find out what “elemental” means yet?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Good question. Have you?

            Hint: Google ‘Socrates’.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          She is a failed phd. She earned the credential but was unable to get on a tenure track position.

          • ciaparker2

            Who would want to in that criminal racket?

        • AutismDadd

          Just like you Mike / Brian

          • 655321

            He’s dusted off the mike profile again.

          • AutismDadd

            What’s the deal with the squabbling between Mike and Pro-Shill Reality 022? Seems these nasty people can’t even tolerate each other. Must be those call centers have them sitting too close together.

          • 655321

            Maybe its choreographed like pro wrestling, maybe they’re trying to give it the look of legitimacy.

          • AutismDadd

            I hope its real and just like Nazi Germany they will be brought to their knees.

          • 655321

            Was making a fool out of WLU/simba, he locked the thread.

          • AutismDadd

            Yea. I get blocked, banned and told they’re done with my bullshit when I question their blah blah…

          • Aluminati

            WLU? From sciencebasedmedicine???

            That ignorant moderator?? I think he’s the same person as the Skeptical Raptor moderator.

            I always get banned from that website. They can’t tolerate any truth there.

          • AutismDadd

            Its tied to their paycheck.

          • 655321

            Hilarious though, certain WLU, Chris, and simba are all the same fraud. These people must have multiple accounts, keeps the costs down for their employers.

          • AutismDadd

            Too bad they can’t get lives.

          • 655321

            It’s all the same dude/gal.

          • Mark

            Locked the thread?

            You were banned?

          • 655321

            Whichever. A little too close to the truth apparently.

          • 655321

            Cautiously optimistic on that, these fools are human too, or are they?

          • AutismDadd

            Careful you may give them some credit

          • 655321

            Ha, yeah, I strongly suspect any contention between those 2 frauds is contrived.

          • AutismDadd

            What they do in the bedroom is their business

          • ciaparker2

            I think it’s real. The beta wolves struggling to kill the alpha and move into his spot.

          • AutismDadd

            Dog eat dog…makes sense

      • JGC

        You’re speaking almost as if the supernatural entity commonly referred to as “Satan” were known to actually exist. Whatever for?

        • Ralf Yuri

          If satan did not exist, you would not be condemned to death.

          • JGC

            I’m not condemned to death.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            So what is your evidence that:

            a)JGC is condemned to death

            and

            b)Satan is a necessary cause of JGC being condemned to death?

            Evidence, mind, not scripture.

    • nbgiant25

      She’s not affiliated with Harvard, and it’s a gross mischaracterization to call her a “Harvard immunologist”. Per her own website, she held a postdoc position with a lab that had Harvard affiliations. We’re talking several steps of separation.

      She’s not an authority in any way, which is why the need to lie (or at least imply a non-existent connection) about her credentials.

      Most people aren’t even concerned with this particular issue. The issue is the risk posed to those who are unable to vaccinate. They are at higher risk, not those who can vaccinate.

      • John C Carleton

        That explains the truth.

      • Al metzger

        Maybe you need to really read it this time. Lol!!

      • Vapur Rupy

        Apparently you didn’t read the article, but instead jumped first into attacking the character of the speaker.

        According to her research (which we can all investigate), many of those who’ve been vaccinated are in fact at a higher risk. That either means she’s wrong, or you’re wrong. I understand the need to defend a confirmation bias since I do it too; so, take a closer look at her sources, rather than being offended at the contradiction of oft-repeated hyperbole which tries to encourage compliance.

        • nbgiant25

          I read the article, and I’d love to review her “research”, but she doesn’t have any. She’s done an underwhelming, cherry-picked literature review to attempt to make an argument that actual research doesn’t support.

          Once there is peer-reviewed, primary research that has any bearing on the subject, I’d be glad to discuss. That there isn’t is exactly why the false appeal to authority is being employed by misrepresenting this person as being affiliated with Harvard. If there were compelling research available, her actual credentials would suffice. Instead, people see Harvard and are immediately more receptive to the information given, regardless of its veracity.

          • richardruscoe

            Al already said it. nbgiant25 those little blue numbers mean a lot.

          • Anne

            Thank you for saying that. Good grief!!

          • DanWontHelp

            You are trying to walk into a cult and show them reason. It’s not going to work.

            The references look like supporting materials to people who just want to agree with the article. Expecting them to be critical of this article is as wise as expecting a Christian to be critical of Jesus. They’ll ignore the fact that the majority of those ER visits were for side effects the parents were already warned about, requiring no medical attention. And that the second highest cause is for injection site infections​ related to a needle stick, treated with Neosporin and​ a bandaid.

            They’ll ignore that the numbers of unimmunized people stack nicely on top of low responders.

            All they hear is that (one of) the vaccines mentioned increases your risk (by a purposefully undisclosed amount) of contracting (a strain of) pertussis.

          • AutismDadd

            Or a doctor with a license to lose would criticize vaccines.

        • m. n.

          The credentials and honesty of the speaker seem quite important when discussing an issue.

        • JGC

          I looked at her research–she has 8 indesed publication in PubMed. None of them even address the subject of the relative risk of infection posed by non-vaccinated versus vaccinated children.

      • AutismDadd

        Why can’t they be vaccinated? Oh yea it would harm them…

    • Chuck Reed

      Get a grip.

    • m. n.

      you are not adding to the cause of decency honesty or education by exposing your antisemitic racist view.

    • ciaparker2

      Anti-Semitism is despicable.

    • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

      Thank heavens for the rest of the world, right?

      • John C Carleton

        Nope, zionist lie, everywhere they are.

        • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

          Then why did you say “The Zionist USA?” but it works either way.

  • mary

    these vaccines are given to children to keep them sick for the rest of their lives keeping the monsters in the Harmaceuticals in pocket for ever

  • Ralf Yuri

    Whoever
    vaccinates a child is denying God, he is saying that he needs a Masonic
    industry to correct the human organism which is a project of God.

    • nmcard

      You mean needs a Masonic evil industry to GENETICALLY MODIFY our pure innocent children.

      • Renè

        GTFO conspiratard.

    • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

      You mean “to correct the human organism which is a project of God” and is very often born with poor eyesight requiring corrective lenses?

      What are you? A Scientologist?
      Are all folks who wear glasses or contacts or have laser surgery “denying God”?

      Readers:
      Behold the delusions of the anti-vaccinationists.
      Don’t you want to be associated with this type of incisive and rational thinking? /sarc
      If so, throw away your glasses and filled/capped teeth and figure out how to get rid of all those body piercings and tattoos.

  • Heather Lohbeck Foster

    It’s nice to read comments that involve common sense. people actually have the nerve to say
    ‘well don’t you give any vaccines?’
    It’s sad how brainwashed the populist is….

    • Chani Leahong

      I contracted whooping cough FROM the vaccination when I was very young. Then my Mum caught it from me, and the illness was very bad, affecting her health drastically at the time she had a miscarriage with what might have become my younger sibling. I appreciate this is anecdotal, but it is real and I know several other people who caught whooping cough from the vaccine. So please be aware vaccines do carry significants risks.

  • Tim Goodsell

    No greater risk, except to those who can’t be vaccinated. Tell it to a woman whose newborn has died of whooping cough

    • Reg

      “The acellular pertussis (aP) vaccine (the final element of the DTaP combined vaccine), now in use in the USA, replaced the whole cell pertussis vaccine in the late 1990s, which was followed by an unprecedented resurgence of whooping cough. An experiment with deliberate pertussis infection in primates revealed that the aP vaccine is not capable of preventing colonization and transmission of B. pertussis. The FDA has issued a warning regarding this crucial finding.[1]
      Furthermore, the 2013 meeting of the Board of Scientific Counselors at the CDC revealed additional alarming data that pertussis variants (PRN-negative strains) currently circulating in the USA acquired a selective advantage to infect those who are up-to-date for their DTaP boosters, meaning that people who are up-to-date are more likely to be infected, and thus contagious, than people who are not vaccinated.”

      • FallsAngel

        Warning my derriere! That research was performed on baboons, which are smarter than many anti-vaxers. It was a grand total of two baboons who got pertussis after being vaccinated and infected one other baboon each. It is also not known if this carries over to humans.
        http://www.redwineandapplesauce.com/2014/05/05/making-sense-out-of-the-baboon-pertussis-study/

      • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

        Link to those please?

        • Reg

          Deep Turtle, It’s in this article above. #4 in her listed reasons for saying unvaccinated cistern are of no danger to those who are vaccinated. You can follow her link to service if it’s legitimate.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Thank you, Reg.

    • Madame Secret

      can’t be vaccinated….you don’t know how to read? too bad you need to learn about shedding and how vaccines actually pass on their deadly product to YOUR KIDS. think of everyone.

      • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

        Okay, Madame Secret.

        I’ve read about shedding and I have a question.

        There are people who talk about shedding as if vaccines cause disease rather than occasional fail. The latter problem, anyone the least bit educated in logic already knows – see The Nirvana Fallacy.

        Now, then, there are two major problems with this claim. However, it’s possible that there is information I have not adequately accounted for so…two questions:

        1)How come diseases happened before vaccines?
        2)How come we don’t see a positive correlation or even no correlation at all but rather an inverse correlation?

    • richardruscoe

      There was good information on this problem as well. The blue 2, I think.

    • Chani Leahong

      Tell it to my Mum who lost a baby because I contracted whooping cough FROM the vaccination when I was very young. My Mum then caught it from me, and the illness was very bad, affecting her health drastically and she had a miscarriage at that time with what might have become my younger sibling. I appreciate this is anecdotal, but it is real and I know several other people who caught whooping cough from the vaccine. So please be aware vaccines do carry significants risks.

      • Anne

        I cannot up your statement because it is just too sad but thank you for speaking up.

        • FallsAngel

          I’m sorry for her family’s loss, but it was not the vaccine. It is not possible to get whooping cough from the vaccine.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            And even if we grant the zombie-hypothesis arguendo…someone who cannot handle a dead pathogen certainly cannot handle the full, virulent version.

        • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

          That and it’s plain wrong.

      • Gerie

        VERY significant risks. So many trolls on this feed it is just appalling. To question the need for SO many vaccinations, especially given in trivalent form, over 60 individual injections given before age 10, to say ‘let’s have an objective discussion about the actual need for them (as this immunologist is doing).. IS science; and to accept blindly what the CDC/Vaccine unit folks say is NOT science They are so totally in the pay of the vaccine industry; once anyone really starts to study in depth what’s going on, it’s very difficult not to speak up, to tell truth as we see it. This is NOT cult; this is questioning why on Earth we are accepting so blindly the mandate to inject tiny newborns, infants, children, adults, ALL of us with known toxins… mercury and aluminum (both of which are still in the flu vaccine) and other toxic substances. The vaccine industry answers to NO one; they cannot be sued, even though billions are paid out through vaccine courts for brain injuries from vaccines; but THEY (vaccine producers) pay none of that. It is criminal. Much very, very scientific data, discussions with many highly credentialed professionals, including researchers, pediatricians, osteopaths, regular MDs, people who HAVE been researching, in depth, all this for years discuss their concerns in the 7-part Docu-Series, “The Truth About Vaccines.” I cannot recommend it highly enough.

      • GaylePutt

        And there are probably millions more who did not experience the risks. There are always risks. The world is not a nice, safe place even though we all seem to believe it is. Shit happens. I’m sorry, Chani, for your sad experience but I am a firm believer that more people benefit from vaccinations than are negatively affected by them.

      • Mike Stevens

        You cannot contract whooping cough from the pertussis vaccine. Why do you possibly think that?
        It isn’t a live vaccine – it doesn’t even contain the pertussis bacteria.

        But at least you accept how lethal the disease can be, that’s something I suppose.

        • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

          Lying liars tell lies which sometimes inadvertently reveal a piece of the truth.

          Next Chani will be telling us she replaced her car engine with a new engine by merely opening the hood (bonnet to you) and tossing a set of new pistons into the empty engine bay and the new working engine magically reconstituted itself from just those few parts

          Readers may once again ask:
          Why do anti-vaccinationists constantly lie?

          • Renè

            Why does Paul Offit constantly lie?

            Or do you really think that “aluminum supports a healthy fetus”?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Can you show us where Paul Offit said that? Mind, I expect you to quote Paul Offit, in context, and not what someone says he said or what he said, devoid of context.

      • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

        No, you don’t. You know several people who believe that they got whooping cough from a dead bacterium or a not-even-whole dead bacterium, depending on age.

      • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

        Please pass a message on to your mum. “Mum, I am really sorry that you miscarried my younger sibling. I do understand that it was painful. [insert other expressions of sympathy as you find appropriate]. However, zombies did not cause you to miscarry.”

    • sabelmouse

      probs got through a vaccinated person in an attempt to cocoon.

      • FallsAngel

        Always blaming parents, aren’t you sabel?

      • Mike Stevens

        Sabel, please don’t tell us that after all your years of “research” on vaccines, that you claim DTaP vaccine can give someone pertussis?

      • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

        That’s like saying I can run someone over with a small collection of car parts.

    • 655321

      Stuff it. Tell it to a mom who lost her kid to a vaccine.

      • Mike Stevens

        I will when I find one, but in 30 years of medical practice I have yet to come across one.

        • 655321

          Dusting off the Mike profile?

          • Miκe Stevens

            I was lying. They just pay me to say that.

      • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

        As long as you tell it to the mums who lost a kid to diseases, using the same standards you use for vaccine death.

        • 655321

          Tell it to the millions of neurologically vaccine damaged children while you’re at it.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            As soon as you demonstrate the causative link, sure.

          • 655321

            Aw silly DT, there is no debate about the link, the only debate is the frequency of occurrence.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            All the more reason you should find it easy to provide evidence.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            As long as you do the same to those neurologically disease damaged children using the same standards you use for vaccine neurologically damaged children. Deal?

        • AutismDadd

          Where in the world are these children? Oh yea Africa, a place used to experiment on malnourished children while NOT feeding them.

    • AutismDadd

      And who came to visit, a recently vaccinated cousin? Or did Mom take the baby to Wal Mart and McDonalds?

  • Cm
    • Madame Secret

      see a blog written by a former pharma employee? yeah…NO.

      • nbgiant25

        Look at her own website. She “held postdoctoral research training appointments in prominent immunology laboratories affiliated with Harvard Medical School and Stanford University School of Medicine.”

        She never worked for Harvard, did not receive credentials from Harvard, and didn’t even have an actual postdoc with Harvard.

        I bet she watched Good Will Hunting, though. I guess that counts.

        • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

          So she attended a remote lab affiliated with Harvard for more schooling/training and the anti-vaccine cultists claim that makes her associated with Harvard?

          That would be like me attending a continuing education course held at some remote office bldg affiliated with MIT and then I claim I’m an MIT scientist.

          Nice scam if you can find people dumb and gullible enough to buy it.
          Oh wait! We’re talking about anti-vaccinationists here…

          • Miκe Stevens

            Yeah. Tell me about it!

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Hi, Rene.
            Showing just how honest and deranged anti-vaxxers are by impersonating your pro-vax enemy Mike Stevens in an attempt to make him look bad?
            Thanks for the demonstration of how sleazy the anti-vaxxers are.

            Flagged and reported.

            Note to readers: To check if a post was really made by Mike and not by the anti-vaccine mental case known as Rene just point your cursor at the poster’s avatar and a quick look at that poster’s stats will pop up. Mike has ~23400 posts. Rene has ~1560 posts.

            Rene has finally lost the last marble in his coffee can.
            The anti-vaccine cult must be so proud to count him as one of their own.

          • Miκe Stevens
          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Hi, Rene.
            Off your meds again and trolling your “enemies” by impersonating them?
            How very sane of you. You show the anti-vaccine cult in just the right light for my taste.

            Dance monkey!
            Dance!

            Flagged and Reported.

          • Realiτy022

            LOL!!!

            You’re the psycho buddy, with all your woospeak and conspirababble!!!666!!!

            Read something about how safe vaccines were on the internetz!!! From Paul Offit??

            I think you have too much aluminum in the brainz!!!

            Chronic Aluminum Intake Causes Alzheimer’s Disease: Applying Sir Austin Bradford Hill’s Causality Criteria

          • Mike Stevens

            Pity you can only report idiots once on disqus….

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Other differences:

            Mi[letter K]e Stevens has a public profile and has the disqus I.D. of Escobar314
            Mi(kappa)e Stevens has a private profile and the disqus I.D. of @disqus_0bT5QNRHDf.

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Check those I.D.s, sia.
            I think you have swapped them.
            Rene’s ID is @Escobar314 and his profile is private and he is using the kappa for a k to get around duplicating Mikes real user name.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Yes, I have swapped them.

            Will fix.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Thank you for the correction, @reality022:disqus. Fixed, I hope?

          • Realiτy022

            No problem DerpTurtle!!

          • shay simmons

            Mi(Kappa) Stevens also has the IQ of a newt.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Not easy to check on disqus though.

          • poppy72

            I to have flagged you for impersonation.

          • Erin Oakley

            And I have you fagged for infornication.

    • 655321

      skepticalraptor? Is that a joke?

      • AutismDadd

        Buh Wah Ha Ha it is to me…

      • AutismDadd

        Sure is, the biggest joke on the internet.

    • AutismDadd

      skepticalraptor is Pharma Central. Any mention of vaccine safety will get you banned.

  • GaylePutt

    My great grandfather died of tetanus. I bet he’d wish there’d been a vaccine then. His sister wrote in her journal, “brother John died today. Swore he’d be a better man if he lives”. He was a coal miner in S. Illinois, lost a finger when it was smashed between two ore carts – probably contaminated from all the mules/horses used in the mines. He was a hard working, family man and his loss was devastating to his family.

    • Madame Secret

      give me a break……you clearly don’t know how rare dying of Tetanus is. Your grandfather died as a result of his job…working in a dirty, unregulated and unsafe job as a coal miner. He would have died of black lung disease because that is what coal miners died of at A YOUNG AGE. Don’t tell others that they need to inject w/ deadly toxins because your grandfather was a tool of the industrial greedy magnates like the Rockefeller dynasty.

      • Michael Kerr

        Wow you are a seriously insensitive jerk. You should try not talking.

        • Madame Secret

          I’m insensitive because I believe that vaccine maim and kill? I’m insensitive because rich pig industrialists put human beings in coal mines and couldn’t unify striking to stop the injustice like the auto industry did? you should try educating yourself.

          • GaylePutt

            Sounds like more Liberal bull crap to me. Do you drive a car? Do you use electronics? Do you wash your clothes in a creek or do you have a washing machine? Do you cool your food with ice or a refrigerator? The life style you most likely enjoy is owed to the rich, pig industrialists.

      • Jenny Kenyon

        It is rare in the west to die of tetanus these days, because we are vaccinated, and we have cars instead of horse drawn carts, and fewer people work with cows. But back in the pre-vaccine days, in my grandparents time, it was not that rare, as it is also prevalent in some 3rd world countries. Yes miners died of all those dreadful diseases, but they could also die of tetanus caught via a wound that happened in the vicinity of animal dung.

        • Madame Secret

          you have no clue what tetanus is. you don’t even bother to do research. “Tetanus, sometimes called ‘lockjaw’, is caused when the tetanus bacteria (Clostridium tetani) gets in the blood stream and releases a nervous system toxin called tetanospasmin. Most tetanus comes from soil, animal feces or dust. Puncture wounds are notable because tetanus-harboring dirt or dust collected on the sharp object can be driven into the body. The nail is simply the carrier of the bacteria into the body’s blood stream. (source) http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=47225

          • Jenny Kenyon

            When I was young, and living in the countryside, the fear of us getting tetanus was very great in my parents, and I remember vivid accounts of the truly horrid effects of the illness, and an account of a man who picked his teeth with a pin, and shortly after died of tetanus! I used to live in a remote part of India where the death of newborns was not uncommon due to the parents applying a mixture of cow dung and ash on the cord, I am not ignorant of tetanus, but thanks for the information anyway, it’s kind of you to take the trouble to look it up. Now you see how easily the infection can be acquired are you still against vaccination against it? I agree with you in that big drug companies have too strong a hold on our doctors and health services, and I really do object to being injected with toxins along with the vaccine. But do you think your angry and frankly abusive manner in arguments is the most effective way to get your message across?

          • Madame Secret

            Again..you have no clue what tetanus is….I’m sure fear has ruled your life just like it ruled your parent’s life. Not impressed w/ your story and you opinion of how I come across bothers me not. Thanks for playing!

          • Mike Stevens

            Jenny described tetanus very well. Why do you think she doesn’t know what it is?

          • SS

            Thing is Jenny, today, in the 21st Century when you receive a puncture wound, and are at high rick of contracting Tetanus, REGARDLESS of your vaccination status, if you go for Medical help you will receive the Anti-tetanus immunoglobulin. Just an FYI for you in your Tetanus Crusade

          • FallsAngel

            Not really. If the patient has unknown tetanus vaccine status, or states they’ve never had the vaccine, then the TIG is administered. If the person has had a tetanus shot (DTaP, Tdap, DT, Td) in the last 5 years, nothing is needed. If it’s been > 5 years, a booster is needed.
            Here’s a nice little chart for you to peruse.
            http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/diseases/tetanus/hcp/tetwdmgmt.html

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Facts.
            They’re such wonderful things.
            Shanks, FallsAngel.

          • FallsAngel

            A pleasure!

          • Renè
          • GaylePutt

            And the disease has a greater fatality rate in infants and the elderly. The bacteria is everywhere. That was reason enough for me to vaccinate my kids and myself. You do what you believe is right.

          • FallsAngel

            Your point?

          • Mike Stevens

            Rene’s just confirming he has nothing of substance to contribute.
            Out of his intellectual depth, poor fellow, and pining for someone to mention the ebil aluminum, no doubt.

          • FallsAngel

            Is Madame Rene’s sock puppet?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            What’s another word for animal feces?

          • Renè

            Umm…Jonathan Graham?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Not quite. Try again. 😉

          • Renè

            Mike Stevens???

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Keep going. 😉

          • Renè

            Paul Offit?????

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Keep going.

            Hint: It’s a thing, not a name.

          • Renè

            The CDC????

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Keep going.

            Hint: Scroll up.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            The following are not allowed anywhere on Disqus:

            “Impersonation
            You may not impersonate others in a manner that does or is intended to mislead, confuse, or deceive others.”

          • Miκe Stevens

            I have a Greek kappa instead of a ‘k’.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Well, let’s refer it to disqus and see what they have to say.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Lurkers: Watch this:

            Jenny: “but they could also die of tetanus caught via a wound that happened in the vicinity of animal dung.”

            Madame Secret: “you have no clue what tetanus is. you don’t even bother to do research. “Tetanus, sometimes called ‘lockjaw’, is caused when the tetanus bacteria (Clostridium tetani) gets in the blood stream and releases a nervous system toxin called tetanospasmin. Most tetanus comes from soil, animal feces or dust.”

            In other words, Jenny points out that tetanus can be caught via wounds that happened in the vicinity of animal poop. Madame Secret rants about how wrong she is and provides a source that points out that yes, animal poo is a common source.

            Congratulations, Madame Secret. You just proved Jenny right. Open mouth, insert foot.

        • GaylePutt

          Thank you.

      • Bernie

        you’re an idiot

        • Madame Secret

          wow. my feelings are so hurt. LOL

      • GaylePutt

        No….I love how you people who know nothing about it keep trying to tell me it was not tetanus. But liberals love to spin and twist everything to their agenda. He died of tetanus. So you give me a break.

      • FallsAngel

        Rare doesn’t mean it never happened.

      • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

        Can you explain countries with socalised medicine?

      • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

        What was your evidence of deadly toxins again?

    • Al metzger

      No, he probably died from infection. Something we got under control in the late 1900’s. But the same industry that has brought toxic vaccines has also now created untreatable infections and we are now seeing people die from infections again.

      • Jenny Kenyon

        People knew the difference between dying of tetanus and dying of infections even in those days. They used to call it “Lockjaw”, as it made all the muscles stiffen up. And it was far more common back then in the days of horses down the mines, because of the lack of vaccine against it. Horses and cows are known to carry it in their guts.

        • sabelmouse

          or was it lack of wound cleaning ectr? very important with tetanus.

          • FallsAngel

            Always some reason to blame the parents, isn’t there, sabel.

        • dona lou

          Which brings up the point made in the article. Yes, tetanus can be very dangerous, but why vaccinate a baby that has had no injury that could lead to tetanus? Why take the risk of introducing all manner of foreign materials to the undeveloped nervous system of a child who is not at risk of developing tetanus? Tetanus is NOT contagious, so an unvaccinated child poses absolutely no danger to anyone else. And finally, the protection offered by the tetanus vaccine only lasts for about ten years. That’s why teens and adults need a tetanus shot after an injury. Again, why vaccinate a baby for an illness caused by an injury that hasn’t occurred?

          • Mike Stevens

            Look up neonatal tetanus.

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            I guess baby can scratch going outdoors to play/crawl around on the lawn. (S)He may get stuck with a thorn or some such and contract tetanus because genius mommy and daddy didn’t think lil’ baby needed a tetanus vaccination.

            Where do these people come from? Pluto?

          • FallsAngel

            Exactly! Plus, it takes three doses of the vaccine to get a full immune response. They have to be given at least a month apart, usual process is two months.

          • Mike Stevens

            Yeah. Well the greatest risk is from tetanus bacteria entering via the raw umbilical stump. This takes several days to heal, and neonatal tetanus was a feared killer back in the days prior to our modern “sterile” baby environments. But why take the chance?
            Mum needs immunity which can be passed passively, so vaccinating her works wonders, rather than vaxing the baby. Of course mothers cannot pass magic natural immunity to the baby through the placenta, since humans do not develop any natural immunity to tetanus, even if mum had had an attack.

            In the third world neonatal tetanus is a real killer. They often put cow dung on the stump; not a good idea.
            One of my worst nights ever as a junior doc was struggling to keep a newborn alive through the night, infusing antibiotics, and diazepam to control seizures, trying to preserve the airway and assist ventilation through each spasm which led to total apnoea, and telling mum at 6am that we had failed. Then back on duty for 8am again.

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Thanks for the info, Mike.
            I chose the US suburban example because of the well known empathy the anti-vaccine cult has for foreigners with brown skin dying of disease – which is “So what!? They’re from the 3rd world! They deserve to die!”

          • Miκe Stevens

            Yeah. Those brownies I tell ya’!

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Hi, Rene.
            Impersonating Mike again?
            Pitiful.

            Flagged and reported.

          • Miκe Stevens

            Still impersonating a schizophrenic?

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            It seems that the anti-vaccine troll Rene has decided to now impersonate me.
            I hope the anti-vaccine cultists and those who support them are observing the type of lunatic their cult attracts.

            Flagged and Reported.

            Now, I wonder how many phony posts I can get my new pet monkey to make.

          • Realiτy022

            You have pet monkey?

            I can only imagine why…

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Needs moar cymbal, my little trolling, impersonating, anti-vax monkey.

          • Realiτy022

            I have a fever, and the only prescription is more cymbal!!!

          • duplicat

            Join the Woo Side by August 15th and get a free coffee enema!!

          • Renè

            (S)He may get stuck with a thorn or some such…

            A thorn? Where do you live, Alabama?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Maybe a prickle instead, then.

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            We have roses, hawthorn, locust, blackberries and other thorny plants in NY, doofus.

          • Renè
          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Hi, Rene.
            Finally sunk to the inevitable disgrace of impersonating other posters to make your “enemies” look bad?
            Pitiful and deranged.
            The anti-vaccine cult must be so proud to have you as a member.

            Flagged and reported.

            Note: It is Rene because you can look at the ID of the above poster “Mike Stevens” and see that his profile shows:
            @Escobar314
            Comments 1565 516 Upvotes
            which just so happens to be Rene’s ID and post tally seen in his various posts which have now all reverted to the display name of “Mike Stevens”.
            See this Rene post: disqus(dot)com/home/discussion/yournewswire/harvard_unvaccinated_children_pose_zero_risk/#comment-3319755178
            as imaged earlier, before he changed his display name:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a2656f4f75266a1a65698b046dcbe9e4710312ce9d70d4da3867c5b0dd3d9a02.jpg
            Then check his profile info in that imaged “Rene” post and note his ID is @Escobar314

            Can you say “sleazy”, Rene?
            I knew you could, you POS.

          • Miκe Stevens
          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Oh look! My troll is impersonating me.

            Dance, monkey.
            Dance!

            Flagged and Reported.

          • Realiτy022

            Insane old man thinks aluminum is a vitamin.

            Fagged and reported.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Can you link to the aluminum is a vitamin comment?

          • Renè

            Look up Alzheimer’s and aluminum.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            What does the D and aP stand for in that vaccine?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Diphtheria and Pertussis is the major point wrt to risk to others.

            And you do realise that vaccines, by definition, are given before the exposure

      • GaylePutt

        No…. it was tetanus.

      • FallsAngel

        Tetanus is an infection. It’s just not communicable person to person.

    • Tom Bombadil

      For what it is worth, tetanus is very treatable today, though painful.

      • FallsAngel

        The fatality rate for tetanus in the early 2000s was 13.2%.
        https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6012a1.htm

        For those of you unacquainted with epidemiology, that’s pretty high.

        • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

          If a 1:8 chance of dying is “very treatable” I’d hate to see the definition of difficult to treat.
          And the treatment is being put into a coma for about a month and given mass doses of medications to ease the muscle spasms.

          Hmmm… which to get?
          A little pin-prick of a vaccine or a drug induced coma and large quantities of injectable medications?
          Decisions… decisions…

          • Renè

            Reality has a 1:8 chance of dying from asphyxiation tonight while he masturbates with with his belt tied around his neck.

          • Mike Stevens

            You sound like someone with knowledge drawn from personal experience, Rene.

          • Renè

            A little, from watching the videos you sent me.

          • Mike Stevens

            Well I thought you should have them, since your boyfriend had sneakily recorded them through your wardrobe door.

          • Renè

            Thanks Mike. Great video!! How did you survive that? That was nearly three minutes of autoerotic asphyxiation [14:45—17:23] following by a three-pound gerbil at [19:52].

          • Mike Stevens

            You were the video subject Rene.
            The cerebral anoxia clearly addled your aluminium-addled memory circuits.

          • Renè

            I’m quite certain that was you Mike. I saw your anchor tattoo that you got in The Navy, the one with the blonde sailor.

          • Mike Stevens

            Whenever you claim you are “certain” of something Rene, we all know you are lying like a dog in the sun.

          • Renè

            I heard about the time you got scurvy in The Navy and a blond sailor rescued you by giving you his lime from his gin & tonic (and a wink!).

            You were never straight since then.

          • poppy72

            WOW, Pray tell, where do you get this information?

          • Miκe Stevens

            Do you really want to know what happened to me in The Navy?

          • poppy72

            No, it is none of my business, I do not wish to pry into anyones private business,ME WRONG I thought I was replying to Rene, must get my eyes checked,SORRY, Far out I even upvoted myself. Not having a good day.

          • Realiτy022

            Get your fix in today?

          • poppy72

            finally caught onto you,

          • poppy72

            I can see you getting bashed, but I do not believe you were ever in the Navy.

          • poppy72

            I think there has been a switcheroo. You were replying to Rene? But I see the reply as showing to Reality022.

          • JGC

            Rene has changing his pseudonym to impersonate various other posters. When he does all posts he’s authored change to the new identity.

          • poppy72

            So how do I know who is out Reality22 or is 022

          • JGC

            The fake Reality022 is spelled with a Greek Tau rather than a lower case t. if you hover your cursor over the name you’ll see a URL appear in the border at the bottom of the screen that gives a URL ending in Escobar314. That’s rene.

          • poppy72

            Many thanks for helping a 72 year old (me ).

          • Realiτy022

            Watch out for the aluminum!!!

            Don’t let them vaccinate you!!!!

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            The pro-reality/pro-vax Reality022 has a public profile.

          • poppy72

            Thank you for your help.

          • Mike Stevens

            It’s a fake account – Rene is impersonating Reality022 now, having done so to me earlier.
            Look at the different “t” in Reality to see the difference.

            Rene’s real name is Travis Schwochert. He is well known on science boards for impersonating other commenters.
            He’s an unmarried, unemployed man living with his father in Wisconson.
            http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2017/02/the-fendlesworth-mystery-or-travis-j-schwochert-we-see-you.html

          • poppy72

            Sounds like he could be related to Lowell.

          • Mike Stevens

            Cousins?
            ..or just the results of inbreeding?

          • shay simmons

            I believe they both have police records.

          • poppy72

            And why am I not surprised

          • kfunk937

            TJ’s 2002 felony charge was dismissed on Prosecutor’s motion, which clears him legally. And there are no others, unless I missed something (which is certainly possible, as I’m as fallible as anyone else and WI court records are not very user-friendly—note: I didn’t set out stalker-like to snoop, but ran across something suggestive in an unrelated search that deserved to follow up, and was happy to rule it out).

          • shay simmons

            Thanks…I’ll refrain from that comment in future.

          • Realiτy022

            You stalker!!!!

            Why don’t you stop bothering the vaccines safety advocates?

            Read some fun aluminum studies!

            Aluminum-induced neurotoxicity and oxidative damage
            in rabbits: protective effect of melatonin

            Aluminum injections is how they create Alzheimer’s in animals.

          • kfunk937

            You’re welcome, Travis.

            Please take note that unlike the so-called “safety advocates”, we are able to adjust to new information (e.g., see shay, above). Please also take note that I’m not the one who is actually stalking and impersonating others, employing targetted harassment all over the interwebz on science-based sites and articles. That would be you.

            Your aluminum-Alzheimer’s link study was not “fun”. It’s irrelevant. Because it’s off-topic (AlCl3 is not a vaccine adjuvent—see vaccine ingredients—and it’s a small, poorly-designed, pre-clinical rabbit study flogging the out-dated hypothesis that environmental Al exposure is aetiologic in Alzheimer’s). Thanks for providing the title, btw (although a PMID would suffice), because I’m unlikely to click on a link from someone using homoglyphs.

            You should get a different hobby. There are free university-level classes online called MOOCs, such as those offered by Coursera, if you prefer interweb-based communication. Or, you know, you could venture outside IRL, maybe to the local community college, where you’d have a fighting chance to pick up some education (and perhaps polish your social skills). And, who knows, it might to something better. You might even grow up.

            Have a nice day, Travis.

          • Realiτy022

            You’re a joke Ms. Funk.

            This is not an outdated theory. Most Alzheimer’s researchers know that aluminum is heavily involved.

            You are the one not keeping up with science.

            It has been found directly at the center of neurofibrillary tangles: http://sci-hub.cc/http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.410310310/full

            The morin stain and the Walton stain allow you to visualize aluminum directly.

            Every single study that I’ve read with injected aluminum show a statistically significant deleterious effect.

            And dialysis encephalopathy shows that aluminium causes dementia, along with epidemiological studies on aluminum exposure.

            Hand wave it away; you’re just exposing your own ignorance.

          • kfunk937

            Most researchers know

            Wow, you sound like Cheetolini, and equally credible. Which is to say, immediately to be doubted. Have you been taking laughingstock lessons? Good job!

            Is the chronic high Al load in dialysis equivalent in any way the miniscule, periodic Al exposure of routine childhood vaccination? What is the route of Al excretion? How might that be affected by impaired renal function? Finally, what do dialysis patients—renally impared by definition—have to do with the average vaccinee?

            Hint: no, urinary, decreased, and nothing (unless they’re in acute renal failure, ESRD or late CKD). It’s just more hand-waving on your part with another off-topic and irrelevant study. Yawn.

          • Aluminati

            Is the chronic high Al load in dialysis equivalent in any way the miniscule [sic], periodic Al exposure of routine childhood vaccination?

            It demonstrates the neurotoxic effect of aluminum. The dementia it induces is similar to Alzheimer’s. The histological changes were identical, see:

            Alzheimer’s disease-like changes in tau protein processing: association
            with aluminium accumulation in brains of renal diaysis patients.

            http://sci-hub.cc/http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673694901244

            If you can just admit that adequate amounts of aluminum can cause tau protein crosslinking and dementia, we can move on.

          • Realiτy022

            Your aluminum-Alzheimer’s link study was […] irrelevant. Because it’s off-topic (AlCl3 is not a vaccine adjuvent—

            No crap, but that doesn’t matter. Aluminum chloride readily ionizes into water.

            [Al(H₂O)₆]³⁺(aq) + H₂O(l) → [Al(H₂O)₅OH]²⁺(aq) + H₃O⁺(aq)

            Many people will realize that they were injecting the hydrated aluminum ion, and the chloride ion matters little.

            Go back to Kunt State University Kathleen.

            http://rod.beavon.org.uk/AlCl3_and_water.htm

          • kfunk937

            Who’s Kathleen?

          • Aluminati
        • Tom Bombadil

          From your cited article, being over age 65 is the single-most relevant factor in fatalities. In fact, in the multivariable model lack of vaccination were not statistically significant:

          “Among all persons with reported tetanus, the risk for fatal disease was greater among those aged ≥65 years than those aged <65 years (relative risk [RR] = 5.1; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 2.1–12.2), among those with diabetes than those without diabetes (RR = 2.4; CI = 1.2–4.8), and among those with no TT vaccination compared with those with ≥1 doses of TT (RR = 4.0; CI = 1.2–14.1). However, in the multivariable model, comparing age ≥65 years versus <65 years, diabetes versus no diabetes, and no doses of vaccination versus 1 dose, neither diabetes (odds ratio [OR] = 1.3; CI = 0.2–7.2) nor vaccination (OR = 3.1; CI = 0.7–15.1) were statistically significant. Age ≥65 years remained a factor for greater risk for fatal tetanus (OR = 9.6 ; CI = 3.6–25.0) in a final parsimonious model including only age. Sex, injection drug use, Hispanic ethnicity, unknown vaccination history, and acute injuries (versus chronic wounds) were not associated with increased risk for fatal disease in either univariate or multivariable analyses."

          • FallsAngel

            Low risk does not mean “No Risk”.

          • Tom Bombadil

            Clarification unnecessary.

          • FallsAngel

            From the tone of the conversation, I would disagree.

  • Madame Secret

    LOVE it when the educated professionals actually stand up and tell us the truth……and she is NOT paid by industry. this might explain why she feels comfortable telling the truth.

    • Mike Stevens

      “LOVE it when the educated professionals actually stand up and tell us the truth”

      I love it too, especially when those educated professionals are the thousands of scientists and doctors who work in the fields of vaccines and infections, and who aren’t (like Tatyana) inexperienced in the topic and distorting and twisting the facts to suit their own antivaccine agenda.

    • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle
  • Judy Adkins Hill

    bullcrap. notice how she says NOTHING about the MMR vaccine – the lack of which totally destroys her argument. MEASLES KILLS. as for the DTaP – yeah, sure – trust me on this: I’m allergic to the pertussis vaccine. I’m immunocompromised. if I’m exposed to someone with pertussis, I COULD DIE. this woman needs to have her mouth sewn shut.

    • Literati

      In case you can’t read

      ‘is variants (PRN-negative strains) currently circulating in the USA acquired a selective advantage to infect those who are up-to-date for their DTaP boosters, meaning that people who are up-to-date are more likely to be infected, and thus contagious, than people who are not vaccinated.”

      • Vanessa Cracknell Mclean

        And where are her sources? Anyone can make wild, unsubstantiated claims, and there will always be ignorant, stupid people who believe them. Cite the research, cite the peer reviewed studies please. Reading through the comment section, except for a few sane respondents, has made my brain cells commit suicide! So much stupidity masquerading as knowledge is enough to make me sick!

        • Anne

          If you cannot figure out where her sources are and what her sources are then you really should not be commenting.

          • Mike Stevens

            She cannot even figure out her sources, or she’d cite them, surely?
            Her conclusions are purely speculative, and are contradicted by the current clinical experience and epidemiology of pertussis.

          • Anne

            Again, she does site her sources. You need to learn the procedure that is used.

          • Mike Stevens

            OK, where is her scientific source for the claim that: “people who are up-to-date are more likely to be infected, and thus contagious, than people who are not vaccinated.” (referred to in the post just above?)

    • Al metzger

      Lol. You are just being hysterical now. Let’s see, how many died in that “world ending epidemic” of measles (at least thats how the media was making it sound) in California? ZERO!!! Did you even read what she said about the measles vaccine? No, didnt think so. Same can be said about the mumps vaccine. Latest outbreak was among those up to date on the MMR and once again it is now affecting the older which is MUCH more dangerous. Harvard had a mumps outbreak in the 80’s among a group that was 100% vaccinated. And if you ever are exposed to pertussis, it most likely will be by someone that is vaccinated. A study done about a decade ago showed the same thing, the pertussis vaccine had no lasting effect, if any, and there was no difference in protection in teens between those vaccinated or unvaccinated.

      • FallsAngel

        I’m glad no one died in the Disney outbreak. That seems to be the anti-vaxers big point. However, 25% of the patients were hospitalized, meaning they were very ill as it is hard to get hospitalized in the US. By stats, 30% of them will have some complication, including vision and hearing problems, mental retardation due to encephalitis, and some may get SSPE in later years and die then.

        The stats from the MN measles outbreak – where those despicable anti-vaxers including the grand poobah Wakefield took advantage of those poor Somali refugees to tell them the MMR was causing autism in their kids, a word that doesn’t exist in their own language – show currently 94% unvaccinated.
        http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/diseases/measles/#Example1

        It was just a little more than a decade ago that the Tdap vaccine came out, allowing people over age 7 to be vaccinated with pertussis. If your “study” came out before that, it’s irrelevant.

        • Al metzger

          You have no clue. Tdap has been proven to be ineffective for long term. You totally ignored my other points because you have no answer for them. People like you are absolute asses and the reason large corporations and corrupt governments keep getting away with all the crap they do. You don’t care about truth, you just have decided to believe something (for what ever reason) and damn the evidence. MMR does cause autism, Wakefields coauthor won in court and proved they did not use fraud. Wake up you stupid shill. Autism has rocketed up out of sight and there is only one reason. VACCINES!!

          • FallsAngel

            Actually, I addressed several points in your Gish-gallop. Wakefield’s author won in court because he said Wakefield lied to him, and the court bought it.

          • Al metzger

            Oh what BS. Just another stupid shill, aren’t you. You are not even worth the effort because you obviously don’t care about the facts, just money. Right?

            But for others…Mump outbreak down south among the vaccinated, just like at Harvard. Disney measles outbreak most likely by a vaccinated person and the majority of those that got measles WERE up to date on the MMR! Pertussis study done by PRO-vaccine group showed it was not effective. 2 studies now proving un-vaccinated children healthier overall. Limited study in Japan made a connection to autism and too many vaccines at an early age, that’s why they have a much smaller vaccine schedule tha us. Flu studies prove the flu shot does NOT help protect patients in the health care setting and yet the flu shot is still forced onto healthcare workers. (It’s ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!! HELLO!) New epidemic of shingles BECAUSE of the chickenpox vaccine (which by the way was NEVER intended for the general population, it was only to be used by high risk children, a fact any doctor over 50 should know). ALL diseases were already coming WAY down before vaccines even introduced. Easy to prove by chart as long as you are not using the big pharma charts only going back to the 50’s or so. Look up the charts going back to the 1800’s. Several diseases never even had a vaccine and they came down at the same rate. On and on I could go. Vaccines are nothing more than a money generator for big pharma. Your kids ARE getting damaged by this crap.

          • FallsAngel

            Quite the Gish-gallop here. And since you call me stupid, I presume it’s OK for me to call you names as well. No, I am not a shill. I am retired.

            The mumps outbreak at Harvard-60 cases among students, faculty and staff, a community of ~40,000 people. That works out to 0.15% of the community. I have never seen any evidence that all these cases were vaccinated. MA does have medical and religious exemptions to vaccines, and likely has no requirements for faculty/staff. If everyone was immunized, the vaccine is 99.85% effective!

            There are many studies of vaccinated vs unvaccinated kids. Most show that vaccinated kids are less likely to get vaccine preventable diseases.

            Japan has the highest autism rate in the world, despite their fiddling with the vaccine schedule. They also had a rubella outbreak with a number of Congenital Rubella Syndrome cases. CRS is actually a CAUSE of autism.

            Shingles rates have gone up in countries that do not use the chickenpox vaccine as well as in those that do use it. There is no evidence that the vaccine is a cause if the increase in shingles. It is also ghoulish to use the illness of kids, which can cause death to provide “booster” doses of chickenpox to adults. There is a shingles vaccine. Please provide some evidence that chickenpox vaccine was only supposed to be for high risk kids. I was “present at the creation” so to speak, and never heard that.

            The incidence of no disease for which we vaccinate was dropping before the vaccine came out. In fact, the incidence of polio was increasing. http://www.post-polio.org/ir-usa.html The incidence of measles remained at near 100% until the vaccine came out then dropped like a stone. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/graph-us-measles-cases Hib cases also dropped like a rock after the introduction of universal vaccination. https://www.google.com/search?q=hib+deaths+graph&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiendmlnqDUAhUPyWMKHZMTASQQsAQIKw&biw=1860&bih=906#tbm=isch&q=hempophilus+influenza+b+deaths+graph&imgrc=PHtxtWBulz-7nM:

            Mumps and chickenpox were also ubiquitous, and rubella infected about 85% pre-vaccine.

            I’m sure you could go on and on. Unfortunately, you’re not telling the truth, either deliberately (lying) or because you’re ignorant.

          • FallsAngel

            Just realized I didn’t address the Disney outbreak. 77%of patients for whom records were available had NOT been vaccinated. Those who had no records were probably even less likely to be vaccinated. No one knows who” “Patient Zero” was.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle
          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Al, can you show me that autism has skyrockted using a consistent definition?

            Why did Wakefield lose his libel case in England?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d56f4f488f1e220bc6804cad4d584e41f16d4033f44663cac4bc165a91b6e447.jpg

    • Zena Field

      sewn shut? or your eyes WIRED open?
      I went behind my mother’s back to get my MMR shot at school..aged 11years. Now I have asthma and a weakened immune system and what? I’ve had mumps, measles doesn’t sound too bad, with or without the jab . . and rubella . ? well, they throw that in there for a bit of a “scare you into it” factor.
      If people weren’t so duped into supposedly maintaining proper protein and calcium (etc) requirements from cows milk (for a calfs metabolic needs) then I believe we wouldn’t have such high inflammatory responses to diseases.. as a mucous stimulant, cows milk in whooping cough and other infections, inflammatory situations, . . not good.

    • Madame Secret

      measles kills…ha ha ha. yeah. clearly you never watched the 1969 episode of the Brady Bunch where the measles was just a slight inconvenience. then the MMR vaccine was created in 1971 and all of a sudden…..DANGER!!! DANGER!! Pass the 1986 Vaccine Act and make vaccine makers immune from prosecution and there’s your ticket to ride!!!! $$$$$$$ riches without responsibility!

      • Anne

        OH good grief. I grew up at a time before there were measles or mumps vaccinations. Everybody came down with those diseases. Often if a kid came down with measles or mumps then parents took their kids over so they would get exposed (especially during summer break) to get it over with. I realize that is not scientific evidence but I never knew one person who died from either.

        • Lenora perry

          Me too. No one died that I knew. No one was freaked out about it. You got it and they were glad you got it as a kid.

          • http://islamnz.com Alan Ireland

            I, too, had measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc. – as did my brothers and everyone else I knew. Likewise, I never heard of anyone dying from these diseases, which my parents seemed to regard with nonchalance. How the times have changed! I’m bemused by all this panic and hysteria.

          • sabelmouse

            same here!

          • Mike Stevens

            Only around one in 2000 died of measles, so most people won’t have known another child who died. But your own experience is not a reliable indicator of the disease burden of measles and other infections.

            The panic and hysteria you talk of is all coming from the antivaxers, who strangely seem to think the vaccines will suddenly turn everyone into dribbling vegetables.

          • http://islamnz.com Alan Ireland

            “But your own experience is not a reliable indicator of the disease burden…”

            I
            never offered my comment as a “reliable indicator” of anything. It’s just an
            anecdote. But such anecdotes do, collectively, say something about
            prevailing attitudes (in England) in the days before we vaccinated against the “childhood diseases”. And perhaps more
            importantly, they counter the claim, which is sometimes made in
            columns such as this, that we lived in constant fear of illness and
            death.

            “The panic and hysteria you talk of is all coming from the antivaxers…”

            Not true. Any outbreak – or feared outbreak – of any infectious disease is guaranteed to generate scare headlines. I know. I spent close to 50 years in mainstream journalism, writing such headlines. That’s probably one reason why I take absolutely no notice of them.

            If people want to have themselves vaccinated, that’s fine with me – provided they are able to give fully informed consent. It’s distressing to read, or hear, numerous testimonies in which the patient (or patient’s parent) says, too late, “I wish I had done my research” or “I wish I had followed my instinct”, or “I wish I hadn’t allowed myself to be pressured by my doctor”.

            It’s distressing, too, to find such people, who have sometimes suffered an appalling personal tragedy (for whatever reason), then being treated dismissively, even arrogantly, by supporters of the “system”.

          • Mike Stevens

            Well I’m pleased you recognise your contribution as being only of anecdotal relevance, but other readers might well view it as verification that measles is completely benign, which of course it isn’t.
            I haven’t seen anyone say we used to live in constant fear of death from infectious diseases in the past, but it wouldn’t be far from the truth. Three in ten kids died from it 100 years ago. And to cite an anecdote of my own, my uncle died of meningitis on his first birthday.
            Contrast those odds with the risks of death from vaccination (less than one in a million) and you should get the idea of the relative situations.

          • Alan Ireland

            Measles was described in the BMJ in 1959 as “nowadays normally a mild infection”. Of course, it was more serious in impoverished, inner-city areas. All diseases are. And as you say, the “childhood diseases” were also more serious 100 years ago. However, that is not the period I am talking about. I am talking about the 1940s and 1950s, when I was growing up. I can assure you that in leafy, affluent southern Warwickshire, we did not fear death from any of the infections that periodically came around. I am certainly glad that I had measles, rather than a vaccine against it. Ditto everything else. My natural immunity, which has (apparently) lasted a lifetime, is definitely preferable to the partial, temporary immunity that comes through a needle. Furthermore, neither I nor my peers suffer, or have suffered (as far as I know), from any of the many chronic conditions that afflict so many young people today. During my six years at boarding school, I don’t think we had anyone with asthma, diabetes, food allergies, or neurological disorders.

          • Mike Stevens

            Well yes, measles is normally a mild infection. Only one in 2000 dies from it.
            But you don’t need to go back 50 years to look at the possible consequences.
            In the US outbreaks 1987-2000, there were 62,000 cases, and 177 died, and around 19% ended up hospitalised. And recall the recent Wales outbreak, with 1500 cases and one death.

            Measles immunity is usually lifelong, but then so is that from the vaccine. There is only one recorded instance in the medical literature where a previously fully vaccinated and immune individual has subsequently caught and then transmitted natural measles. It is clearly vanishingly rare.

            Your implication that it causes asthma, diabetes, neurological disorders and food allergies is without foundation. Vaccines only extremely rarely cause some of these problems.

          • Realiτy022

            From Aluminum-induced neurotoxicity and oxidative damage in rabbits: protective effect of melatonin, we read:

            Aluminum (Al) is a well-known toxic agent and represents a severe problem for a variety of medical [1] as well as environmental situations [2]. The evidence
            implicating Al as a neurotoxin has been continuously mounting.

            Now…I know whenever you read the words “continuously mounting” you get a flashback from The Navy, but I really think you ought to read this.

          • http://islamnz.com Alan Ireland

            Of course some people – mainly those who are immunocompromised – will die if they contract measles (or some other “normally mild” infection). Right now, I am probably carrying something that could kill me if my immune system were impaired for some reason. Do you seriously expect me to become an advocate of vaccination for that reason?

            Actually, I used to accept vaccines. In fact, I accepted almost everything that was on offer, and trotted along, year after year, for my flu shot. Like many people, I never gave the matter a second thought. Looking back, and after reading innumerable articles and books on the subject of vaccination (I am currently reading a book about the anthrax vaccines), I think I was crazy.

            Even according to the notoriously corrupt CDC, about 3 percent of people who receive two doses of the measles vaccine
            will get measles if they come in contact with someone who has the virus.

            My belief, on the basis of what I have read, is that the vaccine schedule, as a whole, is one of the contributors to the meteoric rise in the incidence of the problems I have mentioned. Glyphosate, I believe, is another.

            Something you medical people have to understand is that you are losing us. I, for one, am appalled by the greed, cynicism, mendacity and ruthlessness that underlies much of the pharmaceutical-medical industry. I will do whatever I can to keep myself out of its clutches.

            This debate is now closed. Any reply to this post will go unread.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Figures that you won’t read past this point.

            Lurkers: The above poster cited someone who is, by her own standards, notoriously corrupt. Why on earth did they cite someone who is notoriously corrupt?

          • Erin Oakley

            Go vaccines ⚑

            I get a flu shot every day!

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Then you’re a plonker.

          • Erin Oakley

            Big words for a turtle.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Address the claims.

          • shay simmons

            Tell that to my youngest brother. Make sure he’s got his hearing aids in, first. Somehow in our upper middle class Midwest suburb in 1962 he managed to catch that “mild infection” that left him with something more than just natural immunity.

          • JoeFarmer

            Alan is a fascinating study in revisionist history. Happens in countries other than England, vis a vis the people that revere Ronald Reagan nowadays but weren’t actually alive at the time…

          • shay simmons

            He sounds like another dreary example of the cia parker/Ron Roy school of “if it didn’t happen to me or anyone I know, it didn’t happen.”

          • JoeFarmer

            Yep. I entered public school in the mid-1960s and we had kids with braces on their legs from polio We had deaf kids, too. There weren’t special programs back then, we just tried to be good citizens and help them with regular day-to-day stuff.

            One of the things I learned back then was the kids with the worst handicaps (which you can’t say anymore because it’s not PC) were inspirational because they never complained and never asked to be treated special. So they probably helped us more than we helped them, truth be told.

          • Erin Oakley

            What? Like this guy is believable, he’s a white supremacist. I have a screenshot of what he was saying on a different page:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/869d404f93352bb0a7affb084cab3b26303c9acd8447d41b9e013d393f453be8.png

          • Erin Oakley

            One of the things I learned back then was the kids with the worst handicaps (which you can’t say anymore because it’s not PC) were inspirational because they never complained and never asked to be treated special. So they probably helped us more than we helped them, truth be told.

            Right Joe!

            All of the vaccine-paralyzed kids these days are depressed and think they’re entitled to compensation. They should be proud to be vaccine-damaged! proud to take one for the team!

            We need to convince children that vaccine-damage is cool, Guillaine-Barre is cool, and wheelchairs are awesome.

          • Erin Oakley

            … fascinating study in revisionist history.

            You would know all about revisionist history, you Holocaust Denier!!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/869d404f93352bb0a7affb084cab3b26303c9acd8447d41b9e013d393f453be8.png

          • FallsAngel

            Sad. Just a year before the first vaccines for measles came out.

          • shay simmons

            Even more sad. He was an infant, but the extent of the damage wasn’t really discovered until he was a teenager (military induction physical). That sounds kind of weird but I have six brothers and sisters and my mother always had her hands full with the most recent baby.

            Heck, nobody noticed I was blind as a bat until I was seven and the nuns were trying to figure out why I was flunking all of my classes.

          • JoeFarmer

            ” I am talking about the 1940s and 1950s, when I was growing up. I can
            assure you that in leafy, affluent southern Warwickshire, we did not
            fear death…”

            Mostly because Great Britain was still suffering from damage from WWII, genius. It’s like saying, “We weren’t bombed regularly by the Luftwaffe, so times were great!” Great Britain didn’t come close to approaching other Western World countries in basic economic services like food, transportation and healthcare until well into the 1960s.

          • FallsAngel

            Here’s where I post what one Ephraim Harris, Colonist and Farmer of Fairfield, NJ wrote in 1759.

            “That fatal and never to be forgotten year, 1759, when the Lord sent the destroying Angel to pass through this place, and removed many of our friends into eternity in a short space of time; and not a house exempt, not a family spared from the calamity. So dreadful was it that it made every ear tingle, and every heart bleed; in which time I and my family were exercised with that dreadful disorder, the measles. But by blessed God our lives were spared.”

            Yeah, piece of cake.

            WRT your boarding school, it is possible 1) you didn’t know everyone’s medical history; 2) the school did not accept people with asthma, diabetes, food allergies or neurological disorders.

        • FallsAngel

          You know, for as much as I’ve read about these “parties”, I do not know one person who ever hosted one or attended one. The one article I could find about them written up in the media was from the LA Times repeating a rumor that said parties were being thrown in. . . Canada! No one knows of any that actually happened!
          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-d-moreno/will-measles-parties-retu_b_14479732.html

          • Anne

            I never said it was a party, did I? I said that often when a kid came down with one of these diseases then parents would take their kids over to be exposed. Not sure why you would expect the media to have information about this. I lived it and remember it well although it was more like a visit and not a party.

          • FallsAngel

            Honestly, I never heard of that, either, and I grew up in the 50s/60s.

          • JGC

            As I recall from my experience growing up in the late 50’s and 60’s, not only did this not occur but there also wasn’t any need to take your kids anywhere for them to be contract these diseases: it was going to happen whether you wanted it to or not..

      • Mike Stevens

        “measles kills…ha ha ha. yeah.”

        Yes – in the USA it killed around 450 kids every year until vaccinations were introduced. I guess those deaths are amusing… lot’s of antivaxers seem to find them so.
        And yes, it still kills – around 6 people every hour, globally.

        • Renè

          How many cases of vaccine-induced Gullaine-Barré?

          • Mike Stevens

            The term is “Guillain-Barré”, Rene.
            Learn how to spell it before you pretend you know anything about it.

          • Renè

            LOL. Says the guy that called it “Guillane-Barré Encephalopathy”.

            Sure Mike.

            Here are some court cases where the Judge awarded money based on vaccines playing a causal role in GBS: https://www.mctlawyers.com/vaccine-injury/cases/

            [scroll down]

          • Mike Stevens

            You’re the guy without a clue about GBS, Rene, don’t forget it.
            And look up the VICP sometime will you?

          • Renè

            Look up aluminum neurotoxicity sometime Mike. There are tons of data on this: https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en&q=aluminum+neurotoxicity&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Also, look up the NNIICP court sometimes….

          • Mike Stevens

            Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, Rene.
            Get help.

          • JGC

            Actually, these are examples of the NVICP awarding compensation for the table injury GBS. Compensation given for table injuries represents a settlement, without the case being heard in court or the court issuing a finding that the vaccine was the cause of the injury compensation is given for.

          • JGC

            Far, far fewer than infectious disease-induced Guillain-Barre, Rene.

      • Kevin Williams

        Citing a 1960s sitcom as evidence? I think you’re about ready to co-author a paper with Tetyana Obukhanych.

        The NVCIA does not provide complete immunity to vaccine manufacturers, Rather, it provides limited immunity from lawsuits for design defects, in that claimants must first go through the “vaccine court” for compensation. If they are unhappy with the outcome there, they are still entitled to bring a civil suit against vaccine manufacturers in Federal court. The NVCIA does NOT shield the vaccine manufacturers from manufacturing defects or labeling defects, nor does it protect them from criminal liability. Apparently the Brady Bunch failed to provide you with a thorough briefing on the the NVCIA. Perhaps it was on the Partridge Family or the Monkees.

      • FallsAngel

        Ha ha ha! Getting one’s medical information from lame 60s sit-coms. Yeah, that’s where I get all of mine!

        • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

          I get mine from lame 50s sit-coms – The Donna Reed Show where Jeff comes down with measles and Shelley Fabares as … (Boy was Shelley Fabares a doll and a fantasy for every red blooded American teen male.)
          Well, you get the picture.

          I also consult Green Acres when I want an alt-reality, psychedelic opinion on various subjects. (Arnold Ziffel is the key!)

          Have fun.

          • Renè

            Wooo!

            More ridiculous ignorance from the wanabee Realityengineer022.

            Aluminum in the brain has been proven to disrupt and crosslink τ-protein by binding the phosphate groups. The τ-protein stabilizes microtubules, which are the proteins that create consciousness .

            Aluminum always causes dementia, diabetics prove this. The Camelford Water Incident proves this too.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm6Mt9BoZ_M

      • JGC

        Because when I need accurate and detailed information regarding the risk associated with infectious diseases, the first source I’ll turn to are episodes of television sitcoms from the early 70’s.

  • nmcard

    Vaccines are a contaminated mess and are spreading disease globally. Vaccines are an absolute crime against humanity and the biggest medical scandal in history. ANYONE pro vaccine has not taken the time to study the issue in full and are contributing to the harm of our nation through their unfounded arrogance and complete ignorance. To be pro vaccine at this point means to be anti child, anti health, anti freedom and pro pharmaceutical industry.

  • Alvin Gallant

    Peer review?

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  • AutismDadd

    A must read for Vaccine Safety Advocates AND the lying shills who are constantly spreading the lies this story defeats.

  • Nick Poliskey

    She was never with harvard. this is made up non-sense

    • http://luisdiazartist.tumblr.com/ Luis Diaz

      “She subsequently held postdoctoral research training appointments in prominent immunology laboratories affiliated with Harvard Medical School and Stanford University School of Medicine.” From her website.

      • ibid.

        Resume padding. It’s common for people to exaggerate their credentials as some kind of expert when they’re trying to use them as an authority to promote an ideological opinion. That’s propaganda 101.

  • Cardinal Fang

    A letter by someone with tenuous credentials trying to make an argument from authority (i.e. “look I’m an immunologist therefore you mush believe me”). It’s a pity that her scientific training didn’t teach her that it’s really bad scientific practice to just cherry pick the information that supports your pre-existing prejudices, and that it’s bad on any level to engage in this level of promoting misleading information. She has a PhD, yet she somehow manages to come up with arguments that anyone with any real knowledge of vaccines or immunology would spot as false.

    I could rebut this nonsense piece by piece, but it’s been done already more thouroughly (and far more politely) that I would do here:
    http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/more-anti-vaccine-pseudoscience/.

    I’m guessing that those who ideologically believe that vaccines are teh ebil will bypass this, or claim that it’s “big pharma” propaganda or some such. But if you’re genuinely interested in the subject, I would commend this rebuttal to you.

  • Kevin Williams

    Let’s start with the misleading title. “Harvard: Unvaccinated Children Pose Zero Risk” Clear this isn’t an official position adopted by Harvard University. She is not a Harvard-trained immunologist, and as far as I can tell is no longer affiliated with Harvard University. “Zero Risk”? Well, that’s a lie as well.

    As for her body of scholarly work, I find just 8 papers in PubMed with her as an author. Only one of those papers lists her as the lead author (the one who does most of the work), and none list her as the corresponding author (the one who designed and directed the study). And exactly 0 of those papers has anything to do with vaccines.

    Her letter is somewhat interesting for what it doesn’t say. Notice that in her list of individual vaccines and why the unvaccinated do not pose a risk, she does not mention measles, mumps, or rubella. The Disneyland and Minnesota outbreaks make it VERY clear that unvaccinated children pose a risk for transmitting the disease. Likewise for influenza–no proof that the unvaccinated can’t catch influenza and pass it along. Obvious risks here, despite the title of the letter.

    Also notice the obfuscation around the acellular pertussis vaccine. Nowhere does she claim that an unvaccinated person does not pose a risk of catching and transmitting the disease. All she does is point to a primate study that showed that non-human primates that were vaccinated are still capable of developing asymptomatic pertussis colonization. That’s definitely NOT the same as saying the unvaccinated aren’t a risk for spreading the disease. Nor is it proof that asymptomatic vaccinated humans can spread pertussis.

    Ask yourself this question: if this is such ground-breaking research, why isn’t she submitting it for publication in a respected, peer-reviewed medical journal? Spoiler alert: it’s neither ground-breaking nor real research.

    Why is a single immunologist with weak academic credentials being more believable than thousands of independent scientists with far more impressive credentials who have conducted hundreds of studies that show the safety and efficacy of vaccines? Spoiler alert: confirmation bias.

    • Mike Stevens

      “Why is a single immunologist with weak academic credentials being more
      believable than thousands of independent scientists with far more
      impressive credentials who have conducted hundreds of studies that show
      the safety and efficacy of vaccines?”

      Maybe an antivaxer will chip in and tell us.

      • Kevin Williams

        I’m going to predict that any response will include one or more of the following phrases: “Big Pharma,” “bought and paid for,” “shill,” “whistle-blower,” “follow the money,” and/or “Dr. PrOffit.”

        • JGC

          While the real answer is simply “Because she’s telling us exactly what we want to hear!”

    • JGC

      This doesn’t often happen but I actually have a better publication record than she does.

      • Mike Stevens

        Snap!

        • Renè

          Mike Stevens just opened his fly.

        • ciaparker2

          Glad you’ve already got the Union Jack up. I’m very sorry, again. I don’t know how this will end.

          • Kevin Williams

            Far less scary than a doting mother taking her infant to the doctor and beaming “I reject the benefits of decades of peer-reviewed medical research by thousands of experts in relevant fields so that I can follow the advice I’ve gotten from mommy blogs, YouTube videos, defrocked doctors, B-list celebrities, and peddlers of unregulated and untested vitamin supplements.”

          • poppy72

            I am a pro vaxxer, and if it makes you feel any better I also have had lots of my comments removed, so I do not think just anti vaxxers are targeted.

          • ciaparker2

            You don’t know what they’ve done to me. Can’t get into it now.

          • poppy72

            Trust me I know all about it,these are my first comments in over a month.

          • Mike Stevens

            Thanks for the thoughts, Cia.

          • ciaparker2

            On my end, your comment to yourself directly below (at this time), is blank. Like some I saw last night. I really can’t think of any reason that anyone would censor or delete your comments. And, of course, no justifiable reason that anyone would do it to mine, except that I’m on the other side of the fence from the powers that rule the world. I did see that you said that you were paid for commenting.
            Oh, well, I’ve got translation to do and a lot of other things as well. First I’ll check out the news on Manchester. Saw last night that a second explosive device was found, and I saw a video with the presumed jihadi’s admission. I don’t think anyone really thought it was just an accident to start with. And I’ll look at reactions to Trump’s speech in Saudi Arabia. Hope he’ll put our money where his mouth is. I thought last night that your children might easily have been at the concert. I’m sure you did too, or some comparable event.

          • Mike Stevens

            I don’t get paid for commenting.

            There is a particularly vile troll called Rene, who resorts to calling people names beginning with c and f. He is homophobic and extremely bigoted.
            He has called me a rapist and pedoph1le.
            He has photoshopped a “screenshot” making it appear I said I am paid to post, which is probably what you saw.
            I have never been paid a penny for commenting on discus, and the only pharma funding I have ever received has been conference registration fees for a couple of HIV conferences I attended in the 1990s.

          • FallsAngel

            “the only pharma funding I have ever received has been conference
            registration fees for a couple of HIV conferences I attended in the
            1990s.”

            I once got a ticket to a Colorado Rockies game from a Merck salesman. Funny, because I never had any input into what vaccines the state of CO bought as I didn’t even work for them! Plus, there are some vaccines ONLY Merck makes; the state had to buy them from Merck. Oh, well, I guess it was a little “thank you” for giving them a lot of business.

          • Mike Stevens

            Shill!!!!!!!

          • Judith

            You comment day and night – it is very strange, particularly as you claim to be a doctor.

          • Mike Stevens

            I’m part time, Judith. I work 16 hours per week.
            Do you have a job, other than being a full time paid antivaccine apologist, that is?

          • Mike Stevens

            I see what happened.
            Rene has changed his avatar and user name to Mike Stevens, and posted a comment to make it appear as though I made it. He took a screenshot, which he has then posted, accusing me of making the comment and then deleting my post.

            Of course, the proof is in the screenshot showing the fake account:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7712ee25305eba031cfa773ab9048b9c3498c733d53e98d21a96a56bc4c06f4.jpg

            Rene, as I said before, you are a lying, sociopathic, utterly disturbed individual. Get help.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Actually he probably did something else to manufacture the screenshot. Once he changes his username. All the previous comments would use the new name. So he couldn’t do that and be replying to Rene as he in his screenshot.

            He probably just live edited the HTML just like I did in the post where I make it look like he’s admitting to running a scam.

          • Mike Stevens

            Suppose so. But I don’t think he has the intelligence to live edit HTML.
            He may just have done an MS paint job, like this:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a7ab93f5fa3b7da14da1ba8e69950f8656b72177a243af3585b9c1bbdab59a8.jpg

          • Realiτy022
          • Jonathan Graham

            Good point. That seems more along his skill level.

          • ciaparker2

            I apologize, although I have to say I don’t really follow all this. I don’t think, however, that you are sincere in much of what you say about vaccines. And I don’t understand why anyone would sling such low insults at someone he wouldn’t even recognize if he were to see him on the street, about whose personal life he knows nothing.

          • shay simmons

            ” I don’t think, however, that you are sincere in much of what you say about vaccines. ”

            What evidence do you have to support this “belief,” parker?

          • ciaparker2

            nwmt

          • shay simmons

            In other words, you’ve got nothin’.

          • FallsAngel

            Jeez, cia, can’t you come up with something better?

          • Mike Stevens

            Falls, you might want to remove your upvotes from Rene’s fake-Reality comments…

          • Realiτy022

            Do you want to sit on my hat Mike??

          • FallsAngel

            I found two of them. I downvoted instead. This is annoying; I wish Disqus had some policy about names that you couldn’t do that.

          • poppy72

            I just apologised to him thinking it was our Reality22.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            They do have such a rule. Disqus Basic Rules –>Impersonation.

            Whether it’s enforced or not is the relevant question.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            “Nwmt”

            This is the problem.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            “I apologize, although I have to say I don’t really follow all this.”

            Oh, what nonsense, Cia. If you’re smarter than global scientific and medical consensus, then you’re smart enough to understand the concept of a mask.

            “I don’t think, however, that you are sincere in much of what you say about vaccines. ”

            Nobody cares what anyone thinks. What matters is what evidence there is.

            “And I don’t understand why anyone would sling such low insults at someone he wouldn’t even recognize if he were to see him on the street, about whose personal life he knows nothing.”

            Mike is making a judgement based on the behaviour that Rene has displayed here. Can you explain how making a judgement on that behaviour as shown on disqus requires Mike to recognise Rene if they meet in an airport somewhere one day?

            Now, it’s possible that some pain Rene has been through might be understandable but that doesn’t mean his behaviour is acceptable.

            Here’s a hint: Brush up on the terms ‘libel’ and ‘cultural differences’.

          • Realiτy022

            Yeah. These provaxxers are crazy!!!666!!!

            They think vaccines come from flying saucers to enslave the human race!!!666!!!!

            Wooo!!!!

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Hi once again, Rene.
            Dance, monkey!
            Dance.

            Flagged.

          • FallsAngel

            Exactly! While cia was gone for a while, Rene came along and showed us what a jagoff he is! (Not profanity, mind you, all ye flaggers!)
            http://www.pbs.org/speak/seatosea/americanvarieties/pittsburghese/

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            ??

          • FallsAngel

            What don’t you understand? cia was gone for a while, months actually. Rene came along in that interim. Rene is a jagoff. Jagoff is not considered profantiy.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Ah, that makes more sense, thanks.

          • poppy72

            I see Rene has changed his user name AGAIN.

          • Mike Stevens

            DT, Cia is saying she doesn’t understand why Rene would say those things. She is basically agreeing his behaviour is unacceptable.
            Cut her a little slack on this occasion.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Maybe?

          • Mike Stevens

            ” I don’t think, however, that you are sincere in much of what you say about vaccines.”
            You know me Cia. I am, (like you are I think), very sincere regarding what I believe.

          • Realiτy022

            What do you think about aluminum neurotoxicity?

          • ciaparker2

            Which doesn’t mean believing every word that you post online.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Of course it doesn’t.

            If they don’t have evidence, I don’t believe anyone. If they do have evidence, I don’t need to believe them.

            When pressed for evidence, Mike provides it. It may or may not be crap evidence but it’s provided. When pressed for evidence, those claims that were worth your time to make are not worth your time to support.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Well, Cia, since you aren’t a sheep and don’t just trust what you are told, you should have no problem linking to this comment of Mike’s.

            Hint: Mike’s disqus I.D. is disqus_0bT5QNRHDf/

          • shay simmons

            Why would a parent take a child to a pediatrician if s/he had no intention of following that doctor’s medical advice?

          • ciaparker2

            The parent is the customer, and “buyer beware” is a warning which should be ever-present in his or her mind. The parent must research the vaccines and VPDs very carefully before setting foot in the doctor’s office, and tell him or her what vaccines, if any, she would like her child to receive. She should not believe anything the doctor says implicitly, but must later confirm it, or not, herself.

          • shay simmons

            Why? If you don’t trust your pediatrician, why even take the child in?

            If you’re going to second-guess the person who has had four years of pre-med, four years of medical school, residency, and then clinical experience when you have NONE, why even bother? Stay home and sprinkle pixie dust over the kid.

          • ciaparker2

            If you buy a car, would you be adamant about not going to a car dealer? Would you trust the salesman implicitly, or would you trust but verify? Or not trust at all, just meet and deal?

            If your child has an infection and needs an antibiotic, would you stew about not being able to get an antibiotic without a prescription from a doctor, or would you research that kind of infection and the antibiotics usually prescribed for it, benefits and risks, and then go to the doctor to get the prescription?

            What you should NOT do is hold the doctor in the sort of regard usually reserved for priests of a religion. And you shouldn’t hold them in that sort of exaggerated regard either. The buck stops with the parent. Doctors are beholden to their pharma patrons, who hold them on a tight leash, distributing carrots or sticks for them as the need arises. And your child’s welfare plays very little part in what opinions they hold.

          • shay simmons

            When I buy a car I don’t insist that I know better than the engineer who designed it.

            Doctors are beholden to their pharma patrons, who hold them on a tight leash, distributing carrots or sticks for them as the need arises. And your child’s welfare plays very little part in what opinions they hold.

            Absolute and utter bollocks. If that’s how you feel, why do you bother going to a doctor at all?

          • ciaparker2

            But do you research the car online or from magazines before you go in to look at cars? Do you believe everything the car salesman tells you about gas mileage and how many lawsuits have been brought over accidents caused by the car’s design? Or do you assume that if he tells you it’s an absolutely safe car then it must be true? You interested in buying the Brooklyn Bridge?
            If a doctor tells you that vaccines are safe, don’t cause autism, seizure disorders, asthma, and allergies, then you need to just stop your ears, he’s either ignorant himself or has a motive to deceive you. Go get your info elsewhere, then come back. I think the TD is a good vaccine series to get after the age of two, the polio series only if it comes back here, and for babies between six and eighteen months old who aren’t breastfed but ARE in daycare, then the Hib vaccine Is probably a good idea, and I say that fully recognizing that it causes peanut allergies in one in fifty American children. That one is a tough call. It IS dangerous, but before the vaccine one in 200 young children got a serious case of it every year, and one in a thousand of them died of it. The germs are still around, a common commensal that most people get permanent immunity to by the time they’re five. But in some babies it was often deadly by the ’80s, before the vaccine (not before that, but that’s another issue). Meaning that the parents need to read extensively about each vaccine, each disease, and talk to people about it. The others I’d refuse outright, but I’d definitely leave it to the parent to make the final call. And if your doctor wants to dismiss you if you don’t obey his every injunction, then you’d better get out while you still can.
            We very rarely go to a doctor. VERY rarely. Colds, coughs, flu, eczema, bronchitis, we treat at home. Doctor-approved treatments are the number three cause of death in the US.

          • JGC

            ‘If a doctor tells you that vaccines are safe, don’t cause autism, seizure disorders, asthma, and allergies, then you need to just stop your ears, he’s either ignorant himself or has a motive to deceive you.”
            To state this you must have actual evidence demonstrating that vaccines are not safe, do cause autism, do cause asthma, and do cause allergies.
            Why then have you never bothered to provide any when asked?

          • FallsAngel

            Oh, cia’s always posting “studies” that turn out to be case reports, stuff like that; stuff from years ago using different vaccines, opinion pieces, etc.

          • ciaparker2

            nwmt

          • Gerie

            JGC, because you and others will shoot down whatever she, ciaparker2, says. There are many, many reasons to ask questions about the safety of these toxins being injected into our children, and us. I challenge you to watch at least the entire first video/episode of the recent and excellent “The Truth About Vaccines.” There IS research, a lot; and there are many, many questions being asked by very intelligent, highly educated, highly credentialed professionals, and more and more pediatricians ARE speaking up with their concerns. Watch the series. You just might be astounded…. unless, of course, you, and many of you here, are in the employ of the vaccine industry.

          • JGC

            I could only shoot down cia’s or anyone else’s claims if they were invalid, Gerie. I’m unaware of any evidence which supports a claim that the risks associated with routine childhood vaccination excess the risks associated with remaining vulnerable to the infectious diseases they protect against.

            If you can point to peer reviewed articles or clinical study results suggesting otherwise I’d certainly wish to consider that evidence.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            This goes for me too.

          • FallsAngel

            Likewise!

          • Brooke Dunne
          • Brooke Dunne

            Thanks for the comment, because this is an excellent example of exactly the kind of stupidity the other 97% of us have to deal with.

            Jennifer Margullis, Paul Thomas, Barbara Loe Fisher … these are the “experts” in Episode 1 of Ty Bollinger’s infomercial. Not one of them has ever done any research. None has ever published a single study. They are all in the business of selling books or selling something. Paul Thomas outright lies at the beginning, saying the American Academy of Pediatrics has never done any vaccine safety research. Sure, let’s pretend the journal Pediatrics doesn’t exist. That’s where quite a few vaccine safety studies have been published.

            Sadly, there stupid people who will not catch this.

            That’s really the whole problem. There are people who literally so stupid, they cannot tell the difference between a credible source and some random clown trying to sell them something. “Forget what your doctor recommends, watch this infomercial.”

            Stupid people like that should have no say in public health matters, in my opinion. They deserve to be mocked.

          • Brooke Dunne

            Thanks for the comment, because this is an excellent example of exactly the kind of stupidity the other 97% of us have to deal with.

            Jennifer Margullis, Paul Thomas, Barbara Loe Fisher … these are the “experts” in Episode 1 of Ty Bollinger’s infomercial. Not one of them has ever done any research. None has ever published a single study. They are all in the business of selling books or selling something. Paul Thomas outright lies at the beginning, saying the American Academy of Pediatrics has never done any vaccine safety research. Sure, let’s pretend the journal Pediatrics doesn’t exist. That’s where quite a few vaccine safety studies have been published.

            Sadly, there are stupid people who will not catch this.

            That’s really the whole problem. People who literally so stupid, they cannot tell the difference between a credible source and some random clown trying to sell them something. “Forget what your doctor recommends, watch this infomercial.”

            Stupid people like that should have no say in public health matters, in my opinion. They deserve to be mocked.

          • shay simmons

            If a doctor tells you that vaccines are safe, don’t cause autism, seizure disorders, asthma, and allergies, he’s correct.

            . Go get your info elsewhere, then come back I have.

            http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/Vaccines_Do_Not_Cause_Autism.htm

            I think What you think is immaterial. Science is evidence, not belief.

            We very rarely go to a doctor. We already know that you quack yourself and your daughter, parker.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Why would you want to go to a doctor who either a)knows less than you or b)is dishonest?

          • ciaparker2

            To get the prescription. We’re lucky, no diabetes here, no asthma, so no need for regular doctor visits. Once every several years we might go to a doctor to get a prescription for an antibiotic. My daughter had sinusitis when she was six and I took her to the doctor, who concurred with my diagnosis of sinusitis after a cold and gave her an antibiotic. Good as new the same day.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Why do you trust the either-ignorant-or-dishonest-doctor to prescribe things?

          • ciaparker2

            I don’t take his word for anything. Easy to research anything these days.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            I’m not talking about taking his word for anything, Cia. I’m asking bout why you trust the doctor who is either ignorant or dishonest to write a prescription? How do you know that’s he’s not attempting to make money or poison your child with said prescription?

            And you still haven’t told me what peer-reviewed journal your research is published in.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            No, I don’t conduct wind tunnel experiments for cars and I doubt shay does either.

            Now, evidence?

          • JGC

            Exactly what ‘carrots’ do pharma companies dispense to the average general practitioner, and what ‘sticks’ do they threaten to beat them with? Be specific.

          • ciaparker2

            Lunches, freebies of many sorts, speaking engagements, funding for many projects, vacations in the Caribbean if a conference is being held there, publishing their articles, the general approval of the establishment. Professional sanctions, including having their medical license revoked if they don’t toe the line (also known as being wakefielded), lawsuits, smear campaigns in all media, and shunning. Many examples of each everywhere.

          • JGC

            Cia, have you been drinking? Pharmaceutical companies don’t have the authority to revoke a physician’s license to practice.

          • ciaparker2

            And Drs. Walker-Smith, Murch, and Wakefield? Oh, yeah, Big Pharma just paid Brian Deer to cobble together a ridiculous action against them before the GMC, a man completely unaffected by the issue, who brought the action on his personal recognizance, and IT revoked their licenses. When asked who had paid him to attend so many hours of so many meetings for so many months, he said Channel Four and the Sunday Times, but they both denied having paid him to do this. So who did? He didn’t deny that SOMEONE paid him, he just lied about who it was. And their licenses were restored to Drs. Walker-Smith and Murch when they brought action before the High Court, and the judge ruled that the GMC had used shallow reasoning to reach false conclusions. Dr. Wakefield was not part of that lawsuit because his insurance wouldn’t pay the costs.
            And then we have Dr. Sears and that doctor in Tennessee whose name escapes me. Don’t toe the pharma line and we WILL put you out of business. Dr. Sears used his professional judgment to decide that a child who had already had severe reactions to vaccines shouldn’t get any more, and WHAM! Into the dungeon with HIM! And all the pharma rank and file pen diatribes against him, or more likely it was just the same ghostwritten libel which was sent out to every available pharma pen to repeat verbatim. As well as many others whose stories are published on a daily basis. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear.

          • JGC

            The UK’s General Medical Council struck Wakefield off because he was found guilty of serious professional misconduct.

            The the best of my knowl she Sears has not been incarcerated, in a dungeon or anywhere else.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Do you have evidence for any of those claims, cia?

          • shay simmons

            You need to read the ruling, parker. Walker Smith threw Wakefield under the bus.

          • FallsAngel

            cia knows all that. She’s just practicing the old “if you say it often enough, people will believe it” trick.

          • AutismDadd

            I read Deer was paid by the British Medical Journal to attend court. The BMJ is operated by the General Medical Council but funded largely by Vaccine Making Corporations like GlaxoSmithKline the MMR maker in question. And yes Deer’s fiction was given weight over 13 Trained Medical Professionals when he had ZERO medical training himself.

          • Judith

            Well said Cia – these doctors who use a precautionary approach are in huge danger. There is so much money to be made from vaccines and you can see the paid pharma army descending here. Interesting the most money from vaccines is to be made by the admitted increasing incidence of chronic disease (vaccines have not reduced this but increased it) and the optimism is fuelled by the prospect of more forced vaccinations – spreading to the adult population – which by the way makes a mockery of herd immunity as most adults are not up to date with their vaccinations.

            23rd May 2017, Florida-The global vaccines market size worth USD 61.6 billion by 2024, according to a new research study published by Ameri Research. The market is expected to witness strong demand due to increasing number of immunization programs, high investment in research & development, growing awareness about vaccination and access to healthcare facilities in the emerging and developing regions.

            “The growing prevalence of chronic diseases, therise in healthcare expenditure and constant support from stakeholders such as government agencies, WHO (World Health Organization), UNICEF (The United Nations Children’s Fund) in improving access to vaccination are some of the factors positively reinforcing the market growth. For instance, the number of people vaccinated for tuberculosis, polio, measles, influenza, hepatitis and other diseases is growing every year. The U.S. has one of the largest immunization programs with a vaccination rate of 84.2% for diphtheria, tetanus, 93.3% for polio, and 91.5% for measles, mumps and rubella (MMR).”

            http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story/35499411/vaccines-market-to-reach-616-billion-by-2024-ameri-research-inc

          • poppy72

            The complementary & alternative medicine market is expected to generate a revenue of USD 196.87 billion by 2025. https://www.aboutpharma.com/blog/2017/05/10/global-196-87-billion-alternative-and-complementary-medicine-market-analysis-and-segment-forecasts-2013-2025-research-and-markets/ So who is making all the money?

          • Judith

            Great – people are waking up. Complementary medicine is about wholistic health not treating a symptom with toxic poisons.

          • 655321

            People may be waking up, but the cartel is stepping up their game at the same time with nations around the world pushing this agenda. Also note the push here in the US to disarm the American public. The vaccine agenda would very likely be much further along without the 2nd Amendment.

          • Judith

            You are so right 655321 – I see that Germany is ignoring the Nuremberg Convention and intending to fine people large sums of money if they don’t take these toxic vaccines. Italy is also heavily under Big Pharma Pressure. The spider arm of Pharma is reaching into every aspect of the media, allopathic medicine, hospitals and universities

          • poppy72

            So you think Complementary medicine would have saved me from my cancer? Do you really think that? If it was not for that toxic poison known as Chemotherapy, I would have died years ago. My biggest concern is that three times the money is spent on woo medicine as opposed to vaccination which has proven itself to be life saving.

          • Erin Oakley

            I think a raw vegan diet and methylglyoxal would have done it.

            Have you read Albert Szent-Gyorgi’s articles on cancer?

          • AutismDadd

            They have influence clown.

          • JGC

            sufficient to cause a doctor they decide to target to have his license to practice rescinded? Nonsense.

          • AutismDadd

            Nonsense to you of course.

          • JGC

            I’ll happily revise my position if you can provide evidence demonstrating pharmaceutical companies actually can and do exercise this degree of control over the actions of state medical boards.
            Got any?

          • AutismDadd

            Companies like Merck write medical manuals used by physicians. Physicians use their products in their practice. No I guess there’s ZERO influence.

          • JGC

            What is found in the Merck Manual, AD, that gives pharma companies the ability to demand a specific medical license be pulled?

            How does the fact that physicians prescribe Merck products give pharma companies the ability to demand a medical license be pulled?

          • AutismDadd

            Yawn. How did it happen to Wakefield?

          • JGC

            Wakefield committed serious professional misconduct, AD. That’s how it happened.

          • AutismDadd

            Buh Wah Ha Ha he peed-off GlaxoSmithKline is what he did.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            And be sure to cite pharma companies and not insurance companies.

          • Gerie

            Most docs/pediatricians do not have the time to do the research about what’s even in the vaccines, nor the possible heightened reactions of some of the adjuvants used. They follow the schedules provided by the vaccine manufacturers and/or vaccine unit of CDC (and surely you now that unit is very much part of a revolving door with the vaccine industry).

            There IS very much research available about why we should all be concerned with the safety or non safety of vaccines. The evidence IS there. The excellent docu-series “The Truth About Vaccines,” with interviews of over 50 very highly qualified professionals, including research scientists, physicians, and lawyers, discuss the evidence, the research, the need to question. They are not “anti-vaxxers.” They are saying “let’s have a conversation about it.” Let’s look at changing very toxic ingredients; let’s look at the need to inject newborns and tiny infants, whose immune systems need time to become strong.

            And what CDC has done to skew studies, especially with the safety of the MMR vaccine is unconscionable. And the vaccine industry will do whatever it takes to be sure the mandates to vaccinate grow stronger; they will protect their tens of billions of profits, and chronic sicknesses from our over-vaccinated society will continue to grow. In that docu-series, they discuss the “herd” immunity, the “common good” concern. I would suggest strongly anyone reading this to at least watch the first dvd/video of that series. THEN discuss why you disagree with their findings. That’s all I will respond. I am very, very tired of responding to
            negative statements on my own site because of my sharing this young PhD’s
            letter of concern.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            That’s certainly one good approach, Cia.

            Now, two questions:

            1)What peer-reviewed journal was your research published in?
            2)Have you ever set foot in a doctor’s office as a parent?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Have you got that link yet, Cia?

          • Proponent

            ciaparker2: “Hard to imagine a doting mother taking her infant to the doctor and beaming, “Go ahead, shoot him up with WHATEVER you want, I have COMPLETE confidence in you and your patrons.” Is anyone still doing that?”

            Huh.. you know what I find hard to imagine, ciaparker2?

            This..

            ciaparker2: I had shingles when my daughter was nearly two, and I deliberately gave it to her so that she would get chicken pox and have permanent immunity. She had a fever for one day and vomited, and was covered with lesions for about two weeks, but she recovered without incident, and now I don’t have to even think about chicken pox, exposure, or whether a booster may become necessary in the future.”

          • Judith

            Totally agree with you there Cia – it is a dirty game with well paid players dominating.

      • Andrew Lazarus

        So do I.

    • Mike Stevens

      And not only does she have only 8 publications, several of them support or suggest further roles for vaccination.
      It seems only after she was cast aside from meaningful research that she has reinvented herself as being antivaccine in a straw-grasping exercise to stop her career disappearing down the tubes.

    • Josh Acid

      The headline is a little misleading. She actually says that declining most vaccines, not all, pose zero risk to others. Do you dispute that? I’m not sure why someone would want to force all newborns to take a Hep B shot.

      • Kevin Williams

        I’m not really sure how it could be more misleading. It’s not a statement by Harvard or anyone currently associated with Harvard. And the rest of the headline is only true for a few vaccines. I wouldn’t even say “most.” It’s certainly not true for any communicable disease such as measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, pertussis, varicella, influenza, HPV, Hib, or hepatitis B.

        At the risk of enabling your goalpost shift, I’ll also address your question about the Hep B shot. The short answer is this: Nobody FORCES anybody to be vaccinated. Many places have enacted strong incentives to vaccinate, but if you’re willing to forgo those incentives, you can decline to vaccinate yourself or your children. However, as a bonus, I’ll also explain why you should want to vaccinate your child.

        Usually, when an anti-vaxxer asks this question, they preface it with “Hep B is a sexually transmitted disease, so why…” This ignores the obvious fact that there are other ways in which Hep B can be transmitted, including from a Hep B-positive mother to a newborn infant. Infants and children are less likely to display symptoms than adults, but are at a much higher risk for developing chronic liver problems from Hep B later in life. Hep B can cause cirrhosis of the liver, cancer, and death. The vaccine is extremely safe, and serious side effects for very rare. Multiple studies have shown that the Hep B vaccine is not a risk factor for fever or sepsis, infant death, or other serious health problems.
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15247605
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11734710
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17597263

        In short, the vaccine is a safe way of preventing chronic liver disease caused by Hep B, however it may be transmitted, and children are at greater risk than adults of a bad outcome from Hep B infection.

      • JGC

        To protect them against Hepatitis B infection, Josh. From the CDC (bold for emphasis):

        Hepatitis B virus (HBV) is a bloodborne and sexually transmitted virus. Rates of new infection and acute disease are highest among adults, but chronic infection is more likely to occur in persons infected as infants or young children. Before hepatitis B vaccination programs became routine in the United States, an estimated 30%–40% of chronic infections are believed to have resulted from perinatal or early childhood transmission, even though <10% of reported cases of hepatitis B occurred in children aged <10 years (1). Chronically infected persons are at increased lifetime risk for cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) and also serve as the main reservoir for continued HBV transmission.

      • shay simmons

        Hepatitis B virus spreads through blood or other body fluids that contain small amounts of blood from an infected person. If you have Hep B, youcan spread the virus even when you have no symptoms.

        Babies and children can get hepatitis B in the following ways:

        At birth from their infected mother
        Being bitten by an infected person
        By touching open cuts or sores of an infected person
        Through sharing toothbrushes or other personal items used by an infected person
        From food that was chewed (for a baby) by an infected person

        The virus can live on objects for 7 days or more. Even if you don’t see any blood, there could be virus on an object.

        https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/child/hepb.html

      • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

        Is anyone forcing all newborns to take a Hep B shot? I don’t think so.

      • ciaparker2

        Boy, you got THAT right! My daughter had an encephalitic reaction to the hep-B at birth, given without permission, and was later diagnosed with autism. Only babies born to mothers positive for surface-antigen hep-B should get this vaccine, which has disabled or even killed tens of thousands of children.

        • Brooke Dunne
        • JGC

          Your evidence that the Hepatitis B vaccine has disabled or killed tens of thousands of children would be what exactly, cia?

          Oh, that’s right! You don’t actually have any.

          • Brooke Dunne

            Good point. Here’s the other thing:

            What exactly did Parker do when her daughter supposedly had this “encephalitic reaction.” Did she take her to the ER? Take her to the pediatrician?

            Nope. She did nothing. That says a lot.

          • Aluminati

            Burn in hell asshole.

  • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

    Title of this article should be:

    Unemployed: Unvaccinated Children Pose Zero Risk

    • Renè

      You’re afraid of unvaccinated people but don’t think vaccines will protect you?

      That’s quite the endorsement.

  • JGC

    Funny. A search for Obukhanych Tin PubMed returns 8 indexed publications, none of which offer any evidence that “unvaccinated children pose zero risk”.
    I note also she’s offered no real evidence here that is the case, and in fact she’s made at least one claim here that is demonstrably false (that Hepatitis B does not spread in community settings among children who are unlikely to engage in high-risk behaviors such as needle sharing or sex).

  • Mike Stevens

    “unvaccinated children pose no risk to their vaccinated counterparts.”

    The inference from this claim is that Tetyana accepts that vaccination is protective against infection.

  • Mike Stevens

    Rather embarrassingly for Tetyana, the only research publication she has for which she is the primary author (rather than a bandwaggoner) is the one in which she confirms vaccinations are effective indicates their role should be expanded.
    “Our findings help explain the mode of action of the few existing polysaccharide vaccines and provide a rationale for a wider application of polysaccharide-based strategies in vaccination.”

  • Renè

    Mike Stevens admits that he’s a pharma shill, and then deletes message…But not before I get a screen shot!!!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e43b458ac1c93ad731cf1d099b9e1d410cfaeb5b5c4638ec05ac3ee8624bedc8.png

    • Mike Stevens

      That’s a photoshop. I have never said that you despiscable jerk.

    • Jonathan Graham

      What’s the message id Rene? Whoops…you don’t have one.

      • Mike Stevens

        He’s impersonating me now.

        • Jonathan Graham

          Yeah, I noticed after he replied to one of my posts.

          If you haven’t already reported him. You should. Disqus might pay more attention to impersonation attempts.

          • Mike Stevens

            I reported him before for his abusive previous posts.
            Unfortunately I can’t re-report him now for the added infringement of impersonation though.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Yeah, I completely don’t understand Disqus not allowing multiple reports.

          • FallsAngel

            I don’t understand it either. I did flag and downvote some of Rene’s impersonation posts. I think I’ll go report him now.

            ETA: I couldn’t report him for impersonation because it will only let me do so for impersonating ME. So I reported him for “Inappropriate profile”.

          • Miκe Stevens

            They sent me an email. They said, “Keep it up! Those pharmashills need to be stopped. We are tired of Jonathan’s whining.”

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Hi, Rene.
            Dance, monkey!
            Dance.

            Flagged.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Oh Rene, you are always the best combination of dumb and lame. 🙂

          • Realiτy022

            Were you a victim of the Yorkshire Incident?

          • Jonathan Graham

            I didn’t take you for a UFO nut Rene. 🙂

          • Realiτy022

            Umm, I’m not. Most likely experimental military spacecraft.

            I’m talking about this Yorkshire Incident: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10387636/Kick-a-Ginger-Kid-Day-leads-to-attacks-on-schoolchildren.html

          • Jonathan Graham

            So you promote physical violence against children?

          • Realiτy022

            Of course not. I was wondering if you were involved?

            I hope you made it through that period okay.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Of course not.

            Well, you have stated that you think it’s ok to do bad things to people because of their genetics. I assumed you included children in there. This is certainly the first place on Disqus where you have granted any amnesty from your attempts to abuse folk.

            I hope you made it through that period okay

            Generally speaking people don’t need protection from events localized to an area which exists in an entirely different country from them.

          • Realiτy022

            Jon, you think it’s okay to inject people with aluminum.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Deflecting so soon Rene? Are children exempt from your belief that people with specific genes should be harmed? If so, why?

          • Realiτy022
          • Jonathan Graham

            More deflection, from the topic you brought up no less.

          • Realiτy022

            They are saying that aluminum accumulates in the pineal gland too!!!

            And Alzheimer’s cases have only 20% the melatonin levels of age-matched controls!!!!!!

            Did you know that the indole moiety, precursor for seratonin and melatonin, is cleaved from tryptophan in the gut? By bacteria??? This is a plausible mechanism linking autism to GI issues and dysbiosis.

            I’ll see what I can find out about aluminum in the pineal gland. (You’re not still getting vaccines and eating baking powder are you?)

          • Jonathan Graham

            Yawn. You’re still deflecting. 🙂

          • Realiτy022
          • Jonathan Graham

            …and more deflection from Rene.

          • Realiτy022

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b41ce6bda962db4e963ebcaf63fdea90ef7f7b6d3ff97ed63b91ef798e3a703c.png

            Chronic exposure to aluminum and melatonin through the diet: Neurobehavioral effects in a transgenic mouse model of Alzheimer disease

            Can we all just admit that aluminum causes Alzheimer’s? This is how they induce dementia in rats.

            Why do we have so many online shills trying to get people thinking that aluminum is okay?

          • Jonathan Graham

            …and you continue to deflect.

          • Realiτy022

            “The most dramatic effect of Al is that of producing
            intraneuronal perikaryal neuroflamentous aggregates.
            Possible mechanisms of Al neurotoxicity could be
            related to cell damage via free radical production,
            impairment of glucose metabolism and effects on signal
            transduction [41]. Inoculation of aluminum chloride
            (AlCl3) to young adult New Zealand white rabbits
            induces motor neuron degeneration marked by intraneuronal
            neurofilamentous aggregates similar to that
            observed in amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) in the
            presence of a glial response [42]. The most pronounced
            changes in brain tissue included spongioform changes
            in the neurons specially those of hippocampus, nuclear
            deformity, and neurofibrillary degeneration, similar
            to neurfibrially tangles in Alzheimer‘s disease. It is
            concluded that accumulated aluminum in brain and
            altered amino acid neurotransmitters are important
            mechanisms of aluminum neurotoxicity [44].”

            Aluminum-induced neurotoxicity and oxidative damage in rabbits: protective effect of melatonin

          • Jonathan Graham

            …and you deflect some more. It’s interesting since if you wanted to actually address the discussion that you brought up I’m sure I’d have time to talk about whatever you are currently misunderstanding.

          • Realiτy022

            Just letting you know how toxic aluminum is Brian. It appears that melatonin may have a protective effect.

            There are much lower melatonin levels in the Alzheimer brain, and higher aluminum. But which causes which? It’s been speculated that melatonin can chelate aluminum.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15ba214af92dd3a79b1044cfb104a80713ec6de1a4caf3c706fd054c6300fe52.png

            At the low metal-ligand concentrations
            used for Figure 1, the following metal-complexes
            were formed in situ: aluminium with
            melatonin, tryptophan, and serotonin; cadmium with
            melatonin and tryptophan; copper with melatonin
            and serotonin….

            The interaction of melatonin and its precursors with aluminium, cadmium, copper, iron, lead, and zinc: An adsorptive voltammetric study

            Now Jon, you need a low-aluminum diet with enough melatonin to chelate the rest. Melatonin increases at night, and is made by the pineal gland.

          • Realiτy022

            It probably chelates something like this:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/234d629d69cbc44bca2d48d0d4c8e39f1e50da8a846d20d18c3866b6109ac57d.png

            The other brain indoles don’t have this ability because they lack the N-acetyl-group.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Just letting you know

            that you really can’t seem to respond to the fact that you seem to advocate violence against children? or that you don’t really understand what you are reading most of the time?

          • Realiτy022

            I understand this perfectly Jonathan. Why don’t you read those article too and we can talk.

          • Jonathan Graham

            I understand this perfectly

            That you have been advocating violence against children because of their genetics? Well that’s a start.

          • Realiτy022

            Jonathan. What are you talking about?

            I was asking if you were involved in the Yorkshire Incident. That’s all.

          • Jonathan Graham
          • Realiτy022
          • Jonathan Graham

            So you’re admitting that you advocate violence on children? At least now we’re getting somewhere. As for your made up quote. Well there’s no place where I said that. 🙂 Your quotes however…

          • Realiτy022

            Okay Jonathan. You then bragged about your “Hitler comb-over”, your Luger, and your motorcycle w/sidecar!!!111!!!

          • Jonathan Graham

            Yawn, you really are putting a lot of energy into trying to deflect from the topic of your advocating violence against children.

          • Realiτy022

            Not all children, only gingers.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Which is still advocating violence against children. Glad we got that sorted.

          • Realiτy022
          • Jonathan Graham

            I’m talking about your admission that you advocate violence against children which, no doubt you’ve since edited. The original is preserved for posterity here: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a3e50346f2f02d2e20ced0939326f51263c2a64d9324d60e64b8958db9d4e934.png

          • Aluminati

            Again Jon. You are posting things that Reality022 has said, not me.

          • Jonathan Graham

            No, Rene. The screenshots I’m posting have the Greek letter “tau” instead of a lower-case “t”. Which was what you were using to impersonate Reality022.

          • Aluminati

            What are you talking about!!

            Have you been huffing derpentine again??

          • Jonathan Graham

            Well if you look at the screenshots I’ve posted you will see that the person (you) posing as Reality022 isn’t using a lower-case “t” in their name. They are using a “tau”. Perhaps you need glasses Rene?

          • Aluminati

            I think you have me confused with hyperphosphorylated tau protein aluminum aggregates in Alzheimer’s disease.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Then you should have no problem forwarding the email onto anyone who asks and gives out their email…right?

          • Miκe Stevens

            Ha!

            I should report you for shillery and ignoring the toxic effects of aluminum.

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            Hi again, Rene.
            Dance, monkey!
            Dance.

            Flagged.

          • Realiτy022

            Repetition is a sign of dementia.

          • Mike Stevens

            Give him his due – he’s used Tau as a homoglyph, which melds nicely with the aetiology of his favourite meme (alzheimer’s)!

          • Realiτy022

            Did you know that smokers have less Parkinson’s Mike?

            Do you know why that is?

          • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

            They die young from lung cancer and don’t have an opportunity to reach the age where Parkinson’s becomes a factor?
            Smoking vapourizes the aluminum compounds in the tobacco and provides the body with large doses of aluminum via vaporous nanoparticles?

          • Realiτy022

            I’m talking about age-matched cohorts.

            They have found more nicotinic cholinergic receptors in the brains of smokers. It’s actually not uncommon to see the words “nicotine” and “neuroprotective” in the same abstract, and sometimes they are both seen in the same title:

            Nicotine as a potential neuroprotective agent for Parkinson’s disease

            If you look at studies where they measure Parkinson’s and pesticide exposure (organophsophate), they usually adjust mathematically for the fact that smokers and coffee drinkers have lower rates in general.

            Do you drink coffee?

          • Realiτy022

            …he’s used Tau as a homonymph…

            I did not!!!

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Meh. I’d never reported him/her before so sorted. 😉

  • Mike Stevens

    Just to alert people, Rene has altered his avatar to the Union Jack, and his name to MiKe Stevens (note the k is capitalised) to impersonate me.
    I have changed my avatar back to default.

    Click on his avatar and you will see he is not me:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7712ee25305eba031cfa773ab9048b9c3498c733d53e98d21a96a56bc4c06f4.jpg

    I have reported him to Disqus, but no action has been taken yet.
    I’d be obliged if others would do the same.
    What a sad, twisted, disturbed individual he is. I feel sympathy for him, really.

    • Jonathan Graham

      The “k” is actually the Greek letter “kappa”. Which looks like a smallcaps “K”. We often call this a homogylph attack.

      • Miκe Stevens

        We often call this a homogylph attack.

        What If I were to us two Greek letters? Two substitutions. What would you call it then?

        • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

          Hi, Rene.
          Missed your meds today?
          That’s too bad. Mental illness is a terrible thing for you to have to live with – particularly unmedicated.

          Welp! Put on your monkey suit so you can perform for us. Be sure to smile and
          Dance my little anti-vax monkey!
          Dance!

          Flagged.

        • Mike Stevens

          “What If I were to us [sic] two Greek letters? “
          Last I heard you used 2 Greek sailors, Rene.
          Or rather, they used you.

          • Realiτy022

            Well, all I can say is that the sash made for a nice ball gag.

        • Jonathan Graham

          Same thing. You were attempting to impersonate Mike with a homoglyph.

          • Aluminati

            Do what with a homonymph?

          • Jonathan Graham

            “glyph” not “nymph” – have you made an appointment with your optometrist?

          • Aluminati

            You edited that.

            You made a Freudian slip!

          • Jonathan Graham

            You edited that.

            …and yet the “isEdited” flag on that post remains at “false”

          • Aluminati

            You edited that too!!!

          • Jonathan Graham

            Sadly, I do not run Disqus so I am unable to edit the “isEdited” flag. 🙂

          • Aluminati

            You gotta get down with these toxicological studies on aluminum Jon!!! You don’t eat frozen pizzas do you? Not only are they loaded with aluminum from the baking powder, but the cheese also has aluminum. They put aluminum in cheese because it lowers the melting point by disrupting the proteins.

            This is why you cannot remember making those edits. You’re in a preclinical stage of aluminum-induced Alzhiemer’s via frozen pizza.

          • Jonathan Graham

            You gotta get down with these toxicological studies on aluminum Jon!!!

            As I said, once we settle your advocating violence against children we can move on to whatever paper/text you are misunderstanding today.

            This is why you cannot remember making those edits.

            …and yet the validation of my position doesn’t require my memory to be accurate. As it’s validated by the state of the isEdited flag.

          • Aluminati

            Nope. These are straightforward studies Jon. There is nothing difficult to grasp about aluminum toxicity.

            Vaccination a frozen pizza should be considered child abuse.

          • Jonathan Graham

            These are straightforward

            So was the graph which showed the maternal transfer of immunity and you got that wrong. Then proceeded to attempt to argue that the value you mentally anchored to was correct even though the actual study you misread made that pretty close to impossible.

            This is of course why I said the problem is with you and not (necessarily) the study. See? English Rene. Learn some. 🙂

          • Aluminati

            That was different. I didn’t even read that study. I was just trying to find a graph of antibodies vs time after a measles vaccine.

            Can you find one?

          • Jonathan Graham

            That was different. I didn’t even read that study.

            Rene, evidence suggests that you don’t really read so much as look for something that looks like it matches a preconceived idea of what the data should look like. This is simply a case in point.

            I was just trying to find a graph of antibodies vs time

            …that looked the way you wanted it to. You didn’t even indulge in an infinitesimal amount of self-criticism before you produced post after post after post telling us this wrong thing. THEN you edited your posts to try and HIDE it and THEN you tried to argue that your exceptionally silly value was right anyway.

            Can you find one?

            *facepalm* it really doesn’t matter when you’re arguing “Dur…it’s a matter of months” with a graph you misread which happens to use mothers who were immunized as infants.

            Rene, you LOOK for data which confirms your pre-existing beliefs.
            You try to LIE and cover it up when you know you’re wrong (and who knows how many times you’ve fooled yourself into thinking you’re right)
            You maintain these ideas even though you know the evidence which brought you to this point was saying something different.

            These three principles are what put you on the fast track to being stupid.

          • Aluminati

            That was one graph, and I admitted that I hadn’t looked at it closely.

            That was not nearly as bad as the idiocy you display regularly.

            You need more all-caps Jon, you only seem half-crazy. But we all know that you have gone full-schizo.

          • Jonathan Graham

            That was one graph

            That you managed to misread the titling because you were looking for a particular outcome. That’s not a lot of text Rene. You realize that those studies you think you understood have many more words. Right? They may even use things which are, at times subtle, like statistics. Which ordinary people who aren’t looking for a particular outcome will misunderstand or misread.

            Is there a reason anyone should expect you actually aren’t misreading here?

            and I admitted that I hadn’t looked at it closely.

            After attempting to lie and cover it up. (or if you prefer LIE and COVER IT UP 🙂 ) Funny how that part keeps getting omitted from your retelling isn’t it? Then you tried to argue the same figure from a source that you not only understood you misread but if you took even the scantest moment in self-reflection you would have realized was ridiculous. To this day you try and deflect and say “show me a graph” when you should realize that if a vaccinated mother passes more than zero antibodies to their child their vaccination lasted longer than a few months. That’s not even counting deflection like this:

            not nearly as bad as the idiocy you display regularly.

            See Rene we are talking about your inability to comprehend what you read. That actually doesn’t have much to do with me. Which kind of shows you would rather make a logical error than admit you’re wrong. Something I could point out in a number of other places.

            But we all know that you have gone full-schizo.

            Which brings us to your poor (and I’m being generous here) socialization. Which may not affect your ability to understand what you read but it is an example of someone trying exceptionally hard to ignore the world around them.

            Reported for stigmatizing mental illness.

          • Aluminati

            Like I said. I looked for a graph antibodies vs time. I found one and posted it.

            Why would anyone listen to Jonathan “Ginger” Graham? He has demonstrated that he talks out of his ass, constantly, to ‘win’ an argument.

            Jonathan cannot even interpret a YouTube video.

            And he beats puppies:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/517fc5e94499dc736d9f7a820bde2b2ebd69eaa205dd1d7915330a3c018f5814.png

          • Jonathan Graham

            Like I said. I looked for a graph antibodies vs time. I found one

            …which you thought showed a particular outcome you were looking for and you posted it without even the most microscopic amount of self-critique. Like breading the graph titling. You might as well have posted a graph showing Atari 2600 sales as long as it had the shape you wanted. So you show an aptitude to pattern match on outcomes instead of evidence.

            ….and again you left out trying to cover things up and lying about it before you fessed up (just to being wrong, you’ve never – that I can see – confessed about covering up and lying. All these things are conspicuously absent from your retelling. So you have no problem changing the facts to look less wrong.

            …and again when it finally sunk in that you misread that and you attempted to continue you somehow decided that your misreading was a good point to argue from anyway even though the realization what the graph was about should have told you otherwise.

            It’s these things that are important about this particular story Rene. They show my point, you readily misunderstand things in the direction you want them to go. The way you examine evidence is so insanely permissive in one direction and so disproportionately strict in the other that you have no choice but to believe in this one, stupid particular thing. From what I can see you still can’t state that vaccines routinely last decades.

            But apparently I need to tell you a story….

            Once upon a time, a young person named Rene went running through the streets telling anyone who would listen “Aliens from outer space are coming on Thursday!” people naturally ridiculed this and Rene’s response was:

            “Ha! you’re so stupid even the newspaper agrees with me!”
            “Where is this evidence?” say the level headed people.
            “Right here!” said Rene pointing to an article about immigration.

            The people laugh and point out that Rene has misunderstood but Rene calls them stupid and then continues on this until recalling that “alien” has another meaning. Rene’s story now changes and starts talking about how “I just thought this article on immigration was interesting!”

            Then when ridiculed further Rene tries to argue that nobody there can provide an article stating that aliens from outer space are not coming on Thursday. It is pointed out that the very newspaper Rene is holding is actually evidence against that fact but Rene can not address that point or why Rene was so quick to believe that aliens from outer space are arriving. Checking any other source would reveal this.

            Someone moves in next door. Their name is “Dave” and it’s clear that Rene and Dave know each other. Dave mentions that, back in his old neighbourhood Rene would often say how this article or that article proves that aliens are about to invade at some specific time.

            Like it or not, the Rene in this story is not very reliable at interpreting evidence about aliens. Not only that but it would be pretty obvious, over time to see that this creates a kind of Maxwell’s Demon selectively opening and closing the trapdoor into Rene’s mind effectively a perpetual self-brainwashing machine.

            Why would anyone listen to Jonathan “Ginger” Graham?

            Rene, again the conversation is about YOU and your ability to interpret evidence.

          • Erin Oakley

            I told you Jon, I just pulled-up the graph of antibodies vs time from Google images and noticed that ‘measles’ was in the title.

            I took it down once someone pointed out that it was infant antibodies derived from a vaccinated mom in utero.

            This is obviously very different from what I want to see, which is a graph of antibodies vs time of the mom.

            Perhaps I will find one, perhaps not. I haven’t even looked since then.

            But you are trying to use this as fodder to imply that everything I post can be dismissed offhand, which is redonkulous.

            You need to actually sit down and read the aluminum studies yourself. Most scientists freely admit the link between Alzheimer’s and aluminum.

            Have fun with your dementia Jon.

          • Jonathan Graham

            I took the graph down once someone pointed out that it was infant antibodies derived from a vaccinated mom in utero.

            Nope, you first edited out your own comments and then tried to play it off as if you didn’t make a mistake. You keep omitting this from your tale and I’ll keep bringing it up and your refusal to admit that you lied and tried to cover up your error IS a reason to be suspicious of your posts.

            This is obviously very different from what I want to see

            Aww. It’s so cute when you try and be deceptive like this. Rene I didn’t say that you wanted to see in utero. What you wanted to see was a graph of vaccinations lasting a short time. Which is why you posted that. We know this because that was your thesis when you posted it and that was still your thesis after.

            Perhaps I will find one, perhaps not. I haven’t even looked since then

            …and it’s interesting you still want to act like such a chart even matters to your hypothesis of “Dur, vaccinations only last months”.

            But you are trying to use this as fodder to imply that everything I post can be dismissed offhand,

            No, I’m using it as evidence for the argument that you have a habit of misreading things in the direction you want to go.

            Most scientists

            Typical Rene scamming. How would you know? Have you taken a poll? Of all scientists…like geologists?

            Most scientists freely admit the link between Alzheimer’s and aluminum.

            …and more scammer-speak from Rene. Since the point is about causation and there are a lot of sources which consider this idea to be either refuted, unlikely or small in contribution.

    • David W

      Done.

    • shay simmons

      Yes but because I’ve blocked him*, he’s still blocked.

      What an idiot.

      (*for sock puppetry).

    • Realiτy022

      Thanks for letting us know Mike!!!

      That René I tell ya’.

  • Realiτy022

    These provaxxxers!!!666!!!!

    All wankjobs who think bigfoot landed on the m00n!!!

    Wooo!!!

    • http://www.illuminati-r-us.com/ Reality022

      Folks, I’d like you to meet my little mindless, impersonating troll, Rene.
      Rene is a member of the anti-vaccine cult and is, obviously, quite insane and a very nasty person in general.

      I’ll see how long I can get him to dance for you and demonstrate the level of mental illness the cult attracts:

      Dance for me my little anti-vax monkey!
      Dance!

      Flagged and Reported for trolling, harrassment and impersonation.

      • Realiτy022

        Alzheimer’s case.

  • Andrew Lazarus

    Berkeley: Harvard claim is bullcrap.

    I mean, I’m a Berkeley-trained mathematician. Two can play at this game.

    • Brian

      Harvard: Harvard claim is bullcrap.

      (Disclaimer: I’m not a Harvard alum)

  • Realiτy022

    World-leading aluminum neurohistologist says the following:

    . We have only observed NFT [neruofibrillary tangle] formation amongst groups of neurons that exhibit cytoplasmic aluminum (including Stage V neurons).

    You cannot have a neurofibrillary tangle without aluminum.

    To induce clinical Alzheimer’s in rabbits, experimenters must inject them with aluminum. This is the only way that has been shown to create Alzheimer’s-specific brain protein tangles.

    Aluminum in hippocampal neurons from humans with Alzheimer’s disease
    J.R. Walton

    • Mike Stevens

      Rene, How is it anyone who publishes something the antivaxers can pretend is supportive of their delusions suddenly achieves the status of being “world-leading”?

      Btw, how much Aluminium did Walton find in the non-Alzheimer’s brains he used as controls?

      • Aluminati

        Walton has a stain named after him and has many studies on Alzheimer’s. He is certainly a leading researcher.

        Btw, how much Aluminium did Walton find in the non-Alzheimer’s brains he used as controls?

        He had more than one study. He’s more of a histologist, and you should look at analytical studies for the precise amounts. Such as this:

        There is a worldwide recognition today that the accumulation
        of Al in the body plays a fundamental role in the pathogenesis of some clinical disorders identified in patients undergoing regular dialysis. Encephalopathy,
        anaemia and osteomalacic osteodistrophy are some clinical abnormalities associated to Al loading in human body [1,20,41,48,58,82]. Al administration to animals causes a neurotoxicity that is accompanied by neurofibrillary tangle formation [16,47,63,79]. AD is associated with the formation of tangles…

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4896038f0e158060703175347d170420622a21e999c52b89b63aec40a1bf512d.png

        Brain aluminum, magnesium and phosphorus
        contents of control and Alzheimer-diseased patients

        • Mike Stevens

          “Walton has a stain named after him”

          You mean like the “Clinton-Lewinsky” stain, used on blue dresses?

          • Aluminati

            No. It works for aluminum. He has shown that it washes-out of cells not exposed to aluminum.

            There is also morin too.

            You’re going to get Alzheimer’s Mike if you keep eating those cheap frozen pizzas that you like. Jon told me that you fold an entire pizza into a taco shape and put sour cream in the centre.

          • Mike Stevens

            I believe the Clinton-Lewinsky emission was rich in Aluminium.
            Did you not get some?

          • Aluminati
  • Aluminati

    From the Huffington Post: Kimberly Lindsey Arrested: Bestiality, Child Molestation Charges Filed Against CDC Researcher

    Looks like CDC researchers are freaks!! But we already knew that, they hide data on vaccines and autism. From the text:

    “The bestiality charge is a result of evidence recovered during the investigation,” DeKalb County police Lt. Pamela Kunz told The Huffington Post.

    But I’m skeptical of these charges. Pics or it didn’t happen!!

    [reading]

    Oh wait…

    Investigators allegedly found photographs of Lindsey performing lewd acts on two pets.

    Whoa!

    Looks like it really did happen!!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/kimberly-quinlan-lindsey_n_1004881.html

    • Mike Stevens

      “Looks like CDC researchers are freaks!! “
      Stop impugning the abilities of people like William Thompson. He can’t help it if he had mental health issues.

      • Aluminati

        I saw the pics Mike. They were German Shepherds.

    • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

      Aluminati, I’m going to grant, arguendo, that the CDC hid data on autism.

      One simple question: How do you explain the entire rest of the world? As in, those places that can respond to the CDC’s request to hide autism/vaccine data with a slightly more diplomatic version of Bog Off.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d56f4f488f1e220bc6804cad4d584e41f16d4033f44663cac4bc165a91b6e447.jpg

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

      • Aluminati

        I’ll show you one of the photos, the safe one. The rest of them are pretty racy!!

        http://www.k9bedandbone.com/images/bj-kissing-poe.gif

        • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

          I didn’t ask for you to show me photos, safe or otherwise, what I asked for was for you to explain the entire rest of the world.

      • Erin Oakley

        How does she manage to pack so much stupid in one post???

        Seriously, Michio Kaku has calculated that the amount of stupid a volume of space can hold is finite.

        DerpTurtle’s post contains 40 kB of stupid, an amount previously thought impossible.

        Amazing…this must have something to do with Dark Matter.

        • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

          And you can’t rebut 40kb of stupid. That does not speak well of your own intelligence if rebutting 40kb of stupid is too hard for you.

          • Erin Oakley

            It’s the concentration of stupid that’s the problem.

            That is simply too much stupid on one spot and it’s bending space-time around it. Everytime I try to respond to it, it sucks my comment off the page and sends it back in time.

            It’s like a black hole.

            A black hole of stupid.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Inventing time machines does not make you look any smarter.

          • Erin Oakley

            No, you did it. You created a black hole somehow by packing an impossible amount of stupid in one post.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Derp Turtle

            Time machines still don’t exist.

  • cecilia

    if you search “Tetyana Obukhanych” here http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/anti-vaccine-doctors-naming-names/
    you will see she is one of the wacka-doodles that are selling people lies

  • Aluminati

    It’s interesting how phosphorescent molecules become ‘excited’ and then ’emit’.

    Reading photochemistry is like science porn, but they should change the names from pyridoxine and NADH to names like Clinton and Ron Jeremy.

    That would make things more interesting.

    But on irradiating with light of short wave-length, which is absorbed in the continuum, the molecule breaks up into an alkali Clinton atom and a halogen Lewinsky atom; the metal Clinton atom is excited and emits light photojizz when the molecule dissociates, as was shown by Terenin. For Na the D-lines [nice!!] are observed in emission.

    CHAPTER III
    FLUORESCENCE OF MOLECULES

  • http://luisdiazartist.tumblr.com/ Luis Diaz

    So many provaxxer trolls in this comment section. How much are you getting paid?

    • Brian

      Huh? I can get paid to promote vaccination and debunk conspiracies on the internet?!

      That sounds like easy money. Where do I sign up?

  • eleni_aus

    ‘This book has never given any figures on the widely available data from WHO on the amount of deaths for each vaccine preventable diseases before and after each vaccine campaign. Nor did she ever mention the frequencies of disease outbreaks among those who are vaccinated vs those who are not.’ the headline alone is nonsense. Harvard does not stand by this material …. this is an individual person’s opinion. And not well backed by material. Note: check the comments below re her position /quals / reaonsing etc