Trump Lays Groundwork To Ban Mandatory Vaccinations Across U.S.

Trump has created a division within the Health and Human Services Office for Civil Rights, in order to ban mandatory vaccinations.

President Trump has created a new division within the Health and Human Services Office for Civil Rights, with the express purpose of banning mandatory vaccinations across the country, and ensuring citizens have a right to choose their own healthcare.

With the establishment of the Conscience and Religious Freedom Division division on Thursday, Trump has laid the groundwork to dismantle each and every vaccine mandate across the country. Big Pharma’s chokehold on the nation’s health has been released.

If you don’t think this new division at the Health and Human Services Office is a big deal, it’s time to think again.

The Conscience and Religious Freedom Division gives many different groups a big tent under which to fight for our constitutional rights. Christians and libertarians, as well as freethinkers and people of other religious faiths, have a common interest in fighting against Big Pharma’s corrupt health establishment.

Mainstream media are desperate to keep this news quiet. They don’t want you to know that the president is working to ensure American citizens have a right to choose their own healthcare.

Pharmaceutical companies provide mainstream media outlets with a huge percentage of their advertising revenue. Big pharmaceutical companies actually spend far more on advertising than research. We are talking hundreds of billions of dollars.

Here’s why this is such a BIG DEAL

Per BolenReport: The House Majority Leader, Kevin McCarthy (R – California) is one of the key figures who got this project over the line. Do you think he is unaware of the draconian mandatory vaccine law in California which took away religious and philosophical (conscience) exemptions?

This new division at HHS is a home run for all those who believe in liberty and health freedom.

In a press release put out on Thursday by the HHS Office for Civil Rights, Director Roger Severino said,

Law protecting religious freedom and conscience rights are just empty words on paper if they aren’t enforced.  No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions, and the new division will help guarantee that victims of unlawful discrimination find justice.  For too long, governments big and small have treated conscience claims with hostility instead of protection, but change is coming and it begins here and now.

In an article for TownHall, House Majority Leader, Kevin McCarthy was very explicit.

“In the past this office sent the message, now is not the time for freedom, it is time for you to conform.  What a difference one year makes.”

Dr. Everett Piper of Oklahoma Wesleyan University echoed these comments and brought a laugh to the group by noting what a difference it was to be thanking Health and Human Services rather than suing them.

[RELATED: CDC Doctor: ‘Disastrous’ Flu Shot Causing Deadly Flu Epidemic]

The acting Health and Human Services Secretary, Eric Hargan, also had some remarkable words:

“For too long too many of these healthcare practitioners have been bullied and discriminated against because of their religious beliefs and moral convictions leaving many of them to wonder whether they have a future in our healthcare system.  When faithful Americans are bullied out of the public square and out of public service, when bigotry is allowed to flourish, we all lose.”

The new website for the Conscience and Religious Freedom Division even has a convenient portal to file a complaint and they are encouraging anybody who feels their religious rights or conscience have been violated to file a complaint.

What about all those California parents living under the mandatory childhood vaccine law?  Aren’t their religious and conscience rights being violated?

President Trump has given us a tool to use against tyranny.  My dear brothers and sisters, it is time to pick up this weapon and use it against our common enemy.

Baxter Dmitry

Baxter Dmitry

Baxter Dmitry is a writer at Your News Wire. He covers politics, business and entertainment. Speaking truth to power since he learned to talk, Baxter has travelled in over 80 countries and won arguments in every single one. Live without fear.
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  • Emm Jane

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      • Mark Bell

        I assume this is fake, right? Google is not doing this. Do I get a virus if I click your link?

        • MarkPitrone

          Flag it as inappropriate. It is an advertisement.

          • Mark Bell

            How do I do that? I do not see a Spam link.

          • Mary S

            the tiny down arrow in the upper right corner has “report as inappropriate” and block option… I reported and blocked.

          • Mark Bell

            Got it. Thanks.

          • AutismDadd

            Yea I use it to flag vulgar pro-vacs

      • kfunk937

        ^^Smarter, and more truthy, than anti-vaccine tropes.^^

        Flagged & reported for particularly inept spamming anyway.

        • ILUVUSA2

          Always flag this garbage. Discus will get the message, eventually.

      • AutismDadd

        Google is pro-vaccine. Is it behind all the shills posting on here?

        • Demaris Forsythe

          Do you not have a job?

          • AutismDadd

            Do you have any class?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            I do. Unlike you, mine is all first. Yours is third all the way.

          • AutismDadd

            More duh

          • ciaparker2

            I’m blocking the ***. Just getting her jollies from going back a month to post nasty comments. Must have a prom coming up that she needs to save up to buy a lot of whisky and *** for. The shill factory has been reduced to recruiting the bottom feeders. No, wait, they’ve always done that. Well, you get my drift.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            But you’ve never been able to produce evidence of shillhood, have you?

          • AutismDadd

            With every post you provide the evidence.

          • Acleron

            Duddy boy showing he doesn’t understand the word evidence.

          • joe

            I have never seen any yet. Evidence that is.

          • Acleron

            I doubt you ever will, Duddy boy thinks that his lies are evidence.

          • AutismDadd

            She blocked me because I outdid her in the insult department. Encountered her in the past under another puppet name, was as vulgar and ignorant then as now. A few bricks shy of a load.

          • ciaparker2

            But what a great gig, just look up any comment by someone damaged by vaccines, no matter how old, and put up a spam insult, always the same for all of them. I could really rake it in were I as vile as she is.

          • Laura J

            This is her..or him. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010545854611 copy and I don’t think you can paste all her insults to this news editor. It is worth a try. There is a fine line with having a discussion or being rude & crude. Have a great day, ya’ll.
            Family just got over Flu b here. It was not that bad…now we have allergy season now. The lab tests confirmed flu b. I got tested yesterday because I had a sore throat for 2 days, negative for strep and flu. Whew…

          • ciaparker2

            Thanks, I copied it, but I don’t think she’s worth the time.
            I had an echinacea spray for sore throats that was really miraculous! Hope you all get well soon!

          • Laura J

            She also sends threats and insults by messages on FB as well. she will do herself in…or we’ll read about her in the news.

          • AutismDadd

            A miserable person with anger issues

          • Acleron

            The idea of Duddy boy outdoing anyone is deeply ironic.

          • Laura J

            She is awful. There is NO excuse for her abuse. She’s running out of sites now…by the way.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Do you have any brains? Any education? Where are you hiding them?

      • William Kirk

        There’s this chick on here making 120 bucks an hour from home and her language skills are clearly not as good as yours!!

        Hit me up and I’ll give you her website info!!! 😉

      • Kenneth Jones

        Stop sending this damned SPAM!

      • ILUVUSA2

        Don’t you ever get tired of such self-degradation?

  • bev

    YES!

    • ImajWalker

      US Govt. Releases Vaccine Injury Payout Figures

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCdjWNa3aLg

      • Pamela Samash

        Link please

        • Mark Bell

          naturelnooz is an exceptionally harmful source of conspiracy theories and fear. He creates fear and does well as an Internet supplement salesman.

          Yet this one might be about right. There are injuries from vaccines. Rare, but real. If you save 10,000 lives with a vaccine but ten people are injured, it is only fair to compensate those people. That’s what this is.

          • ImajWalker

            @disqus_Fgf7TzdGsl:disqus
            If you THINK that the Deep State wants / cares about you.. think again.
            They have been in charge for more than 140+ years and Trump is finally taking them down.
            When the chemtrails are no longer in the sky…. he won!

            GENOCIDE In the Unites States – Chemtrails, Monsanto, Vaccines and Fluoride, Where’s The Outrage?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWu1Hn5vE9Y

          • Joanne Long

            Then you vaccinate your children don’t tell me what to do. I am not the one who is receiving all the pharm bonus for harming children.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake
          • richardruscoe

            Blaylock is a neurosurgeon. Many try to belittle this man. The evidence he brings was not argued by the courts. So they closed the doors. Your only seeing the tip of the iceburg.

          • Mark Bell

            Blaylock believes in chemtrails – that the government is introducing particles into the air.

            Do you believe in this?

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Conspiracy Theory Now Conspiracy Fact, as Congress Holds Hearings on Weather Manipulation
            Weather modification just jumped from “chemtrail” conspiracy theory into mainstream reality, as Congress holds hearings on geoengineering.

            geoengineering
            Washington, D.C. – Geoengineering is finally going mainstream as the U.S. House Subcommittee on Environment and Subcommittee on Energy Hearing, on Wednesday, held the first House hearing about the science that until now has generally been considered a “conspiracy theory” and relegated to the fringe’s of society by the Praetorian Guard mainstream media — controlled by the ruling power-elite oligarchy.

            The controversial subject of climate engineering or weather modification – which was popularized, and oversimplified with the term “chem-trails” – is stepping from the shadows and into the light of public scrutiny for the first time.

            The congressional hearing, titled “Geoengineering: Innovation, Research, and Technology,” was attended by members of the House committees as well as representatives of think tanks, academics, and researcher scientists to discuss the future of geoengineering research.

            Participants in Wednesday’s hearing include Full Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas), Environment Subcommittee Chairman Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Energy Subcommittee Chairman Randy Weber (R-Texas). Testimony was presented by Dr. Phil Rasch, chief scientist for climate science, Laboratory Fellow, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory; Dr. Joseph Majkut, director of climate policy at the Niskanen Center; Dr. Douglas MacMartin, senior research associate, Cornell University; and Ms. Kelly Wanser, principal director, Marine Cloud Brightening Project, Joint Institute for the Study of the Atmosphere and Ocean, University of Washington.

            Interestingly, “Chemtrails” have long been the talk of conspiracy theories with massive amounts of disinformation being posted all over the internet including fake studies and photos. However, several real studies show that some ‘seeding’ or geoengineering may have already taken place – indicating that secret projects to test the science have likely already taken place.

            A study published in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health suggests that geoengineering has already begun and that at least one substance being used is a toxic by-product of coal burning called coal-fly ash.

            “The widespread, intentional and increasingly frequent chemical emplacement in the troposphere has gone unidentified and unremarked in the scientific literature for years. The author presents evidence that toxic coal combustion fly ash is the most likely aerosolized particulate sprayed by tanker-jets for geoengineering, weather-modification and climate-modification purposes and describes some of the multifold consequences on public health.”
            The hearings largely operated as a coming out party for the field, and as an opportunity for the industry to attempt to solicit funding from the Trump administration to advance basic research.

            A 2013 report by the Congressional Research Service, titled Geoengineering: Governance and Technology Policy provided a brief overview of the “geoengineering” technology:

            The term ‘geoengineering’ describes this array of technologies that aim, through large-scale and deliberate modifications of the Earth’s energy balance, to reduce temperatures and counteract anthropogenic climate change. Most of these technologies are at the conceptual and research stages, and their effectiveness at reducing global temperatures has yet to be proven. Moreover, very few studies have been published that document the cost, environmental effects, socio-political impacts, and legal implications of geoengineering. If geoengineering technologies were to be deployed, they are expected to have the potential to cause significant transboundary effects.

            In general, geoengineering technologies are categorized as either a carbon dioxide removal (CDR) method or a solar radiation management (SRM) (or albedo-modification) method. CDR methods address the warming effects of greenhouse gases by removing carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere. CDR methods include ocean fertilization, and carbon capture and sequestration. SRM methods address climate change by increasing the reflectivity of the Earth’s atmosphere or surface. Aerosol injection and space-based reflectors are examples of SRM methods. SRM methods do not remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, but can be deployed faster with relatively immediate global cooling results compared to CDR methods.
            During Wednesday’s hearing, the potential need to set up a regulatory structure within which experiments would be allowed, at a set scale, was discussed.

            READ MORE: Polarize & Conquer – How the Paris Attacks Benefit ISIS and the Western Military Industrial Complex
            California congressman Jerry McNerney said he plans to soon introduce legislation to direct the Energy Department and other federal agencies to support two National Academy of Sciences reports on geoengineering. One would develop a research agenda for solar reflection methods; the other would provide guidance for governance of resulting experiments.

            According to a report by investigative journalist Derrick Broze, writing for Activist Post:

            “The push for discussion of geoengineering from the Trump administration should come as no surprise. Back in January 2017, Activist Post reported that ‘the U.S. Global Change Research Program quietly recommended new studies looking into two specific areas of research involving geoengineering.’ With the release of their report, the GCRP became the first scientists in the federal government to formally recommend studies involving geoengineering.”
            Previously, we reported on Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, John O. Brennan, addressing the topic of geoengineering while discussing instability and transnational threats to global security at a meeting with the Council on Foreign Relations in late June 2016.

            During his long-winded talk of threats to US interests and how the largely CIA-created ISIL threat is impacting the world, Brennan brought up the topic of geoengineering.

            Another example is the array of technologies—often referred to collectively as geoengineering—that potentially could help reverse the warming effects of global climate change. One that has gained my personal attention is stratospheric aerosol injection, or SAI, a method of seeding the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun’s heat, in much the same way that volcanic eruptions do.
            Brennan went on to echo the calls from some scientists who have called for aerial spraying.

            An SAI program could limit global temperature increases, reducing some risks associated with higher temperatures and providing the world economy additional time to transition from fossil fuels. The process is also relatively inexpensive—the National Research Council estimates that a fully deployed SAI program would cost about $10 billion yearly.
            Every expert to testify at Wednesday’s hearing noted that geoengineering techniques shouldn’t be substituted for efforts to reduce greenhouse gases and prepare for climate change impacts. Additionally, a letter, signed by 24 scientists and environmental advocates, stated that “any consideration of a Federally funded and coordinated research program into geoengineering must be in the context of a strategic portfolio of responses to climate change.”

            One idea gaining traction is to seed marine clouds with salt water or other particles, increasing their potential to reflect solar rays, cooling the earth. Its part of nascent and controversial branch of science known as “sunlight reflection methods,” or SRM.

            “We think SRN could buy time for other (carbon-reduction) measures to be put in place,” said Philip J. Rasch, chief climate scientist for the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Richland, Washington.
            “If the worst case scenarios of global warming come to pass, these technologies could be used to help people, saving lives and economies from the worst effects of climate change,” added Joseph Majkut, director of climate policy at the Niskanen Center, a Washington D.C. think tank.

            Rasch and Majkut are two climate specialists who testified Wednesday before the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, which held a subcommittee hearing on the potential for “geoengineering” — a catchall for proposals to directly cool the atmosphere or pull carbon emissions from it.

            Geoengineering, which includes SRM, has been discussed by scientists since the 1960s, but with mixed enthusiasm, said Rasch. Some experts fear that seeding clouds could have unintended effects, such as impacts on rainfall.
            Scientists at the University of Washington formed the Marine Cloud Brightening Project, in an effort to bolster financial support for basic research, in hopes of running small-scale tests of adding particles to clouds.

            In addition to seeding marine clouds, the team is also looking into what’s known as “stratospheric aerosol geoengineering,” which involves injecting reflective particles into the upper atmosphere, similar to a volcano during major eruptions, to produce a regional cooling effect.

            During Wednesday’s House hearing Committee Chairman Smith noted that geoengineering “could have positive effects on the Earth’s atmosphere,” but cautioned “we have a lot to learn.”

            Although Smith intimated that geoengineering could be preferable to increased regulation, stating, “While we are not sure this is plausible, some scientists believe it could achieve substantial environmental benefits at a cheaper cost than regulations,” he acknowledged the potential for “unintended consequences of geoengineering.”

            By Jay Syrmopoulos – November 9, 2017

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/972a1f8c96c728d268255da0ffcdab14f58860b449a3471221b1a4a94d5bba7d.jpg

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            I’d love to see Baylock’s research. Where is it?

          • Brittany Pederson

            Inserts tell a different story about injury. I’ll direct you to the Pediarix vaccine, a combo shot given at 2 and 6 months of age. Page 8, under subsection “Deaths” explains a 1 in 4000 SIDS rate. That is a far cry from 1 in a million, no? And everybody knows only a very minuscule percentage of cases actually get paid out through the Vaccine Court. https://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM241874.pdf

          • Mark Bell

            OK, I read the document. So you’re saying the 1/4000 SIDS rate is due to the vaccine? The report goes on to say that the rate of SIDS in the population at large is about the same.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Tell the class: What does “an adverse event, without regard to causality” mean?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33e1b37eb7b5e8eb7232b71222fe95848215e84c12f4a4622d4e22251b14aba9.jpg

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake
          • richardruscoe

            At best, 1 of 200 cases is investigated. So your math sucks.

        • ImajWalker

          If you copy the ‘title’ I’ve posted above the video and paste it in youtube, it will take you to the video above.
          Here’s another interesting video.

          Vaccines & Brain Development – Dr. Russell Blaylock Lecture For Radio Liberty (full).
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjVR12DZ2oI

          • richardruscoe

            I just love this guy.

        • Mark Bell

          Here is a real, written link to the payout data. It has been about $3.8 billion in total since the program started in 1988, so the above “scare number” does sound about right.

          Several billion doses of vaccine have been given in that period with 5,825 payments made, so the rate works to a literal one in one million.

          It’s pretty funny for someone like me – a real science person – to be defending data from such an awful source as naturelnooz. But his numbers are often based in truth. It is all the conspiracy stuff he runs with that is sad to see people having faith in. Like chemtrails and odd JFK assassination stuff.

          Plus, again, his main role in life is Internet Supplement Salesman. You sell ever more supplements as you manage to spread fear, so his method of operation makes pretty good sense. Mercloa is another multimillionaire supplement salesman.

          https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html

  • greggster

    If parents choose not to vaccinate, they should be required to home school their children.

  • Joanne Long

    Parents have been Forced to play Russian Roulette with your child’s life in these dangerous vaccines. Thank God Trump is giving us the right to make our own decisions and the Law Must respect it, no more mandates to take a chance on your child’s life.

    • Phydeux

      Russian roulette? Very few children respond badly to vaccines, and most who do can be treated quickly and have no adverse side-effects. And the extreme few who have bad adverse side effects, while regrettable, are a small price to pay for the rest of society not having to bury their children because of diseases we eradicated decades ago.

      • Joanne Long

        I totally disagree with you. I have seen more damage to children now a days these vaccines are worse then they use to be. Use to be 5 shots, then went to 9, then went to 12 now it’s around 53, you tell me that is not dangerous you don’t seem to give a damn about any ones baby!

        • MarkPitrone

          Phydeux is a dog who can’t spell his own name. Ignore him and he may go away.

        • Phydeux

          Yes, and when they started making vitamin supplements there was only vitamin C. Now you have the whole alphabet of vitamins, trace minerals, and so on… Centrum, for example, has 32 vitamins and minerals in it.

          And multivitamins are no more dangerous than the TEN vaccinations children get today in 25 doses over the first 2 years of life, not 53.

          That 53 number is probably drawn from the fact that many of those immunizations are combined like MMR and DTaP. But children that young very rarely remember getting those shots. And yes, surprising as it may seem to you, I do give a damn about babies. That’s WHY I want to see the immunized against those horrible childhood diseases that used to make children miserable or dead only a few decades ago.

          • Joanne Long

            I see you don’t know much about vitamins. I have studied vitamins for 50 years. The multivitamins are worthless and a waste of money. You go ahead and play Russian Roulette with your child and stay away from the rest of us. Enjoy the bonus you get from the pharmaceutical companies one day hopefully you will feel guilty for the children who die from these chemicals!

          • Alber Arunee

            I suggest you check this out:

            http://www.areyoucrooked.com

        • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

          It’s up to you to prove that it is dangerous since you’re making the claim. However, have you checked for consistent definitions?

          Also:

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d71d5005b7db616b80e7d7b820ccb26db86beb5a0db136f8953f775131d2772.png

      • comeonnow

        In light of the fact that even minute amounts of aluminum can have adverse neurological consequences, Dr. Exley’s newest paper—which reports on the first-ever study of aluminum in ASD brain tissue—is groundbreaking. Published in the Journal of Trace Elements in Medicine and Biology, the paper documents some of the highest values for aluminum in human brain tissue ever recorded. Using a two-pronged study design (see box), the researchers measured and characterized aluminum deposits in brain tissues from five to ten ASD donors, most of whom died in their teens or twenties.

        https://worldmercuryproject.org/news/high-aluminum-found-autism-brain-tissue/

        • Phydeux

          The amount of aluminum in a single vaccine is trivial compared to your entire bodymass, lifespan, and exposure to other sources of aluminum.

          Also, the aluminum salts in vaccines HELP their efficacy, so they’re a net positive. And those aluminum salts are exceedingly unlikely to pass the blood-brain barrier. Read up:

          https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/adjuvants.html

          And the links between aluminum from antiperspirants and Alzheimer’s have been equally debunked as bad science as there’s too little absorption, even through broken skin, to reach a level of toxicity.

          https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/features/antiperspirant-facts-safety#1

          And if you look at the toxicity reports for aluminum the amounts required to be toxic are astronomically higher than the tiny amount found in ONE vaccine that you might receive 3 times in your entire life.

          https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp22-c3.pdf

          The fact is, people latch onto one sensational story, like this Exley paper, and the ongoing anti-vaxx movement, and never bother to learn HOW metal toxicity works in human biology. Nor do they take into account all the numerous ways we come in contact with free aluminum in our environment. Deodorants, aluminum foil, aluminum cookware, car engine exhaust, etc….

          In your lifetime you probably take in 1000x as much aluminum particles through your airway from engine exhaust carrying molecules scraped off the inside of an engine, than you ever receive from a couple of vaccines.

          But getting back to Exley’s paper, it seems he’s engaged in the usual bad science associated with such inflammatory meta-studies. The first line of the introduction SAYS these diseases are of unknown cause, so clearly there is no defined and scientifically tested link. Secondly, he refers to already widely-debunked studies by other pseudo-scientists who provide a lot fear, but not a lot of meaningful facts and figures. And his own methodology has holes in it you can drive a truck through, like the obvious lack of a control group. You can have no scientific basis of comparison without a control group to test against. All you end up with is standalone measurements without reference.

          This article however supplies the missing and relevant control data that renders his findings meaningless.

          https://respectfulinsolence.com/2017/11/29/christopher-exley-using-bad-science-to-demonize-aluminum-adjuvants-in-vaccines/

          And don’t just take his word for it, here’s someone else who points out that Exley has made a career of making aluminum the bogeyman for everything that ails you. And they independently confirm that many of his testing methods were poorly executed.

          http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2017/11/christopher-exley-has-become-new-face.html

          So yeah, there’s a lot of scary claims from a lot of people with Dr. in front of their names, but a degree has never been a guarantee of integrity or competence. After all, someone has to graduate at the bottom of the class and barely scrape past board certification.

          • cherokee

            What are your medical qualifications
            I was an immunization RN
            All these shots are bullshit
            CDC is baloney
            All money making schemes
            And you are an idiot

          • Mark Bell

            Myself, I’m a science person. If you have a background in immunization, do you have an explanation for how my team got rid of smallpox?

            (PS My BMI is 23 so I’m not fat. Ugly, well, my science students don’t think so but I am kinda old.)

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            I’m pretty sure getting rid of smallpox did NOT involve immunization, since they have not immunized for Small pox for over 40 years, (since the vaccine killed way more people that it saved)

          • kfunk937

            You’re “pretty sure getting rid of smallpox did NOT involve immunization”?

            You should question your certainty, Elizabeth. Smallpox was officially eradicated and driven extinct worldwide using vaccination by 1980, which is why (outside of some labs and the military) the vaccine is no longer in use. The same thing happened with rinderpest, a disease in cattle. The same thing is within reach for polio, and is possible for other diseases like measles that have no non-human reservior.

            And as you’re wrong about this, please question the rest of your equally unfounded beliefs.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Elaborating, not correcting.

            It’s also possible for diseases with non-human reservoirs with a couple of caveats. We need to know what that species is and it needs to be at least partly in our control. This is how eradicating rinderpest worked despite the non-human resorvoir – we knew what it was (cows, in this case) and we knew where it was (farms, in this case) and roughly how to handle the beasts.

          • Michelle Yeack Brantley Johnso

            your team????? damn how old are u???

          • Alber Arunee

            You are confusing junk science with science. Vaccinology is junk science. And no, you and “your team” played no part in getting rid of smallpox.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

            https://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/revolts-and-opposition-against-compulsory-smallpox-vaccination/

          • Phydeux

            My qualification is that I rely on ACTUAL scientists with doctorates and many years of research to back them up.

            I don’t rely on RN’s with an over-inflated self-image and a handful of anecdotal statistics taken from the small sample set of their careers.

            And remember, the tinfoil goes around your FOOD, not your head.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood
          • Phydeux

            Oh well, when you put it on a big screen it MUST be true!

          • Elizabeth A Haywood
          • Phydeux

            Good job, you’ve reduced a serious scientific discussion to a stupid meme. You are no longer worth talking to.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            I suppose you are running out of pages in your pharma shill handbook to reference about now. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b41fd00f9b97ca0c8e08930eeb5f422243c9af1c2f6b2ca80e49dc8f01c36f6.jpg

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            I trust you have evidence that anyone here is a Pharma shill, right?

          • AutismDadd

            They may be voluntary shills, not paid, just hopeless dogmatics

          • Ron Roy

            It’s always the same people upvoting anything defending vaccines and that’s not a coincidence. You can even tell on what shift they’re working by the timing of their votes.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Ron, it’s not a coincidence – it’s to do with disqus-follow and disqus-recommend.

            “You can even tell on what shift they’re working by the timing of their votes.”

            But the problem with this is that its premise is that they are being paid and you can’t use the premise to prove the conclusion. How did you rule out timezones?

          • Alber Arunee

            The meme is far more factual than most of what comes from the CDC.

            Erwin Alber

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            How do you explain countries with universal healthcare?

          • Alber Arunee

            I think you mean universal sickness care.

            Erwin Alber

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Well, doesn’t really matter which we go with.

            How do you explain countries like the UK where health care is provided by public funds?

          • AutismDadd

            Justthefacts emerges . The usual worthless question.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            How do you explain countries with public health systems?

          • Mary S

            go to the CDC web site and read this information yourself. Educate yourself on what you write.

          • Alber Arunee

            I have news for you: it IS true!

            All vaccine testing is carried out by the vaccine manufacturers themselves (conflict of interest much?) and involves blatant scientific fraud which the FDA (Federal Death Agency) turns a blind eye to.

            Erwin Alber

          • Mary S

            show us your reference citations to the scientific data please.

          • Alber Arunee

            Well, here is a medical doctor and retired neurosurgeon who has studied vaccination for a number of years and warns against them.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjVR12DZ2oI&t=491s

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • AutismDadd

            So ZERO qualification.

          • cherokee

            It’s always the fat ugly guys
            Arguing everywhere about everything
            You blowhard
            Your completely
            Wrong and jelouse of anyone with a degree go stuff your pie hole

          • cherokee

            Yeah and everything on the web is completely true
            Right bozo

          • Syllvie J Swanson

            If you think vaccines are so great than please load yourself up with every vaccines a child now days as to take until graduation and then come back a year after and let us know how your body is doing
            I bet you, you won’t feel so good.
            Digestive issue inflammation etc
            Wait 5 or so more years but please continue to poison your bloodstream with your vaccine love then try to convince us
            Until then your speaking will fall on deaf ears
            I have been around children for years “the healthy ones, are the unvaccinated period “
            Let them do a research on that and get back with us
            They won’t do it as big pharmaceutical would loose!

            Don’t bother to respond I am not interested in the lies about the no danger of vaccines

          • Mark Bell

            I specifically went to my Kaiser travel vaccination department to get any vaccines that look relevant. I travel to China from time to time so I made sure I was updated to the CDC recommendations.

            I got the shingles vaccine into the bargain. Now there’s a better shingles vaccine so I’ll run off and get that too.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            We LIKE it when people like YOU get ALL of the Vaccines. Everyone loves a good cautionary Tale.as long as it happens to someone else they are not emotionally invested in!

            There are lawyers you can call when it takes away your eyesight-there is a HUGE class action lawsuit against Zostravax right now. There are so many lawyers jumping on this I will let you google one near you (if you survive and still see the computer anyway). Don’t forget-the #1 cause of shingles is the chickenpox vaccine, children shedding from the Chickenpox Vaccine, and the Shingles vaccines!!

            Enjoy!!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/445a2a93b6bd54325247ab5ac6c0d6cdc83827160312f6603adc4f2df78f3430.jpg

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            What was the finding in that case?

          • Mary S

            For your travel.. glad you did that but you are not an infant and you are not receiving multiple doses ins very short period of time. and by the way… I accepted he recommended Shingles vaccine and I got shingles a few months later.. it was not a bad case but shingles all the same..

          • Alber Arunee

            Travel vaccines are a scam like all other vaccines.

            Erwin Alber

          • Alber Arunee

            IMO a perfect description of an idiot.

            I live in Thailand and spent two weeks in the jungles of Ecuador about a year ago, yet had my most recent vaccination – a tetanus booster – over 40 years ago. Living a vaccine-free lifestyle is great – you should try it sometime. It beats getting loaded up with toxic chemicals and biological waste products.

            Erwin Alber

          • AutismDadd

            Nice Informercial

          • Alber Arunee

            I would hate to be an inmate in your messed-up reality Phydeux. I am enjoying my vaccine-free lifestyle and will never revert back to being a brainwashed moron like I was before I woke up to the vaccination scam.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

      • H

        So my son dying is a small price to pay?

      • https://www.fanfiction.net/u/3152765/Alexandra-Irene-Spears Alexandra1973

        I’d like you to meet my 16-year-old son, who stopped talking after his 18-month shots. He is on the autism spectrum.

        We started detoxing him when he was 4…and he started talking again. Little by little he’s improving. But no more vaccinations for him!

        Thankfully autism IS reversible.

        • AutismDadd

          Tried high silica water to remove aluminum from the brain? FIJI water has high silica and can be purchased at grocery stores.

          • somitcw

            Rice has high silica content which when eaten in moderation removes aluminum.
            Silica is silicon dioxide which is sand, glass, and some types of rock.
            Sand, glass, and rock can cut.
            Too much silica causes urgency when you need to urinate.
            Avoid extreme rice consumption to avoid extreme urination urgency.
            For most people, a pint per day is high to excessive. A quart per day is extreme.

        • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

          So what is your evidence of the causative link to the vaccine?

      • Alber Arunee

        As far as I am concerned, EVERY vaccinated child is a vaccine-injured child, even if the harm that has been caused is not obvious. Vaccination is an abomination and a blight on humankind which needs to be abolished.

        Erwin Alber
        Vaccination Information Network https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b37051a578060d3041cd5029fec67de6f3050f959231df9b9e47ed2846b1487c.jpg

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          So how would you go about finding out if a given child was not vaccine-injured?

    • Robin Faison

      So because you don’t believe in vaccines you have a right to put other ppl in danger . Your making choices for others without their knowledge. Your child gets sick you send them to school you ignore that they’re getting worse and you need medicine they infect someone else’s child their child dies so you are responsible for murder. What right do you have to possibly kill someone else’s child because of your idiocy? SMH the gall of you ppl. No concern that your own child will die,? Your playing a dangerous game for your beliefs which you don’t give your child a choice then will want to cry a river and want ppl to givve a damn when it’s your fault. I’m glad my kids are teenagers and a adult cause parents like the ones in these comments are reckless in the name of religious freedom. Something’s I say screw your freedoms if it’s a risk for the masses. Screw you and Trump for this ridiculous and dangerous freedom. Crap on people’s rights because you think your right and don’t care what anyone else thinks or wants. Any parent who doesn’t get their kids vaccinated and their kid spreads a disease the parents should be jailed.

    • AutismDadd

      Vaccine Roulette

    • Proponent
  • Jet

    Hooray and Thank God! Horrible making these poisons mandatory! Can’t wait to have it take effect in California.

    • Phydeux

      Uh huh. “Poisons” like the one that’s eradicated polio in the US? Just look at California if you want to see the disaster of not vaccinating your kids. 2014 someone who’d traveled abroad brings back measles and California had a HUGE outbreak because it was trendy to be an anti-vaxxer.

      https://www.athenahealth.com/insight/measles-outbreak-california-vaccination-rate-climbs

      • richardruscoe

        look up SV40, and get back to me.

        • Joanne Long

          You are right about the polio shots they cause cancer.

          • Alber Arunee

            All vaccines cause cancer.

            Erwin Alber

          • Brian

            Anti vaxxers lie

            -reality

        • Mary S

          Worth the reads, thank your for posting.

        • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

          The virus that caused cancer in hamsters but not humans? Not a worry.

          • Alber Arunee

            You have all the vaccines you want, but there is NO WAY anyone is going to inject me or any member of my family with a vaccine of any kind.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

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          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            You don’t even live in the USA so this issue has absolutely nothing to do with you.

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          • Tia Severino

            Awww, look at the stupid little troll, isn’t he cute? He taught himself how to type, and is almost capable of thinking.
            SV40 is a monkey virus that was contaminating the polio vaccine. It has been isolated in cancer tumors of DESCENDANTS of people who got the polio vaccine.
            Maybe you thought hamsters because you’re stuck on a spinning wheel of nonsense, going nowhere all day long??
            That’s ok, all you have to do is step off the wheel of misinformation.
            Oops, your bosses wouldn’t like that would they? Better keep running, that way the Truth can’t catch up to you …

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            Who is the troll? He?

            SV40 was a virus in early polio vaccines. It did cause cancer in hamster who got it but never caused cancer in humans. It was killed as it went through the human digestive tract. Traces of it can be found in humans who had that era of polio vaccine but there is no evidence it causes cancer. That polio vaccine was tested on hamster before given to humans.

          • Ron Roy

            Using Hamsters to determine the toxicity of any substance is not right. Hamsters produce their own vitamin C which is a great detoxifier. Humans cannot. Drug companies know this and they end up putting drugs and vaccines on the market that harm us but did not harm test animals.

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            That is just bullpucky. Hamsters can get scurvy, which is why they need Vit C supplementation.

      • Joanne Long

        I had measles and mumps it was easier than taking 53 vaccines and wonder if I will live and or have all my faculties. All that mercury and aluminum, formaldehyde plus a dozen other chemical , don’t tell me more that 80% of all children not being effected. You either hate children or you are just plain evil. And you can stick you health co. you know where cause they get bonus of 80 thousand a year to shot babies up with this crap!

        • Phydeux

          Mercury, Thimerisol was removed in 2001. (source: FDA)

          Aluminum, insignificant amount and nowhere near the LD50 toxicity required to do the least bit of harm. (source: CDC)

          Formaldehyde, the tiny amount in a vaccine would be metabolized by the liver in under a second without issue, just as foods we eat every day break down into methanol, then formaldehyde, and then into formate, and beyond.

          People like you hear scary things about chemicals without ever bothering to understand the chemistry behind them, and biochemistry involved to determine whether a given concentration of that chemical is toxic or not.

          After all, simple water can be poisonous if you drink enough at one time. And oxygen is poisonous to humans except in certain circumstances.

          Oh yeah, and 7 billion people, a sizeable percentage having been vaccinated, can’t be wrong.

          • Joanne Long

            7 billion? That’s about ever human on the planet, that’s BS and you know it!

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            So Odd that they list it as an ingredient in the vaccine RIGHT ON THE PACKAGE if they took it out, isn’t it?? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8d2cbe2d3ce3cca1a972d6b3d8f2e02997a15c2790a570cb2ee47aa34132ef3b.jpg

          • Phydeux

            Not odd at all. The FDA requires mercury to be listed in any amount, even at therapeutic levels. You’ll also see that there are SPECIFIC dosing instructions to ensure that the mercury exposure is kept to an acceptable amount WHEN USED AS DIRECTED.

            There are plenty of “scary chemicals” that are safe when used as directed. Nightshade, arsenic, alcohol, selenium, and worst of all……… WATER.

            Drink enough water and you die.
            Take too much mercury and you die.
            Take too much selenium and you die.
            Drink too much alcohol and you die.

            Get the idea? Toxicity is not guaranteed, it is a relative thing.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Interesting to hear your theory that 50,000 ppb of mercury injected into a tiny infant along with Polysorbate – 80 to carry it directly over the blood brain barrier is “safe”, when an adult is cautioned NOT to eat tuna fish containing 2 ppb of mercury for fear of brain damage, even though the mercury is passing through the digestive system instead of lodging in the brain.

            It’s odd that you say you are a big fan of “Science”, then ignore all of the peer reviewed Scientific Studies in Pub Med, The Oxford Journal and many Medical Research facilities saying exactly the opposite of what your are saying!

            So very odd. Maybe your should stop reading out of your Pharma Shill Handbook and actually start looking at actual science. Of course that would probably NOT be something you would do, as you are not about to give up a few extra dollars made on undermining the health and welfare of America’s Children.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d53c1d1e0bdc92c908a371e835df1f91603792cc4c47e7db2a4132ba0091dc88.jpg

            Journal of Toxicology
            Volume 2012 (2012), Article ID 373678, 12 pages
            http://dx.doi.org/10.1155/2012/373678
            Research Article
            Thimerosal-Derived Ethylmercury Is a Mitochondrial Toxin in Human Astrocytes: Possible Role of Fenton Chemistry in the Oxidation and Breakage of mtDNA
            Martyn A. Sharpe, Andrew D. Livingston, and David S. Baskin
            Department of Neurosurgery, The Methodist Hospital, 6565 Fannin Street, Houston, TX 77030, USA

            Received 26 March 2012; Revised 7 May 2012; Accepted 21 May 2012

            Academic Editor: Y. James Kang

            Thimerosal generates ethylmercury in aqueous solution and is widely used as preservative. We have investigated the toxicology of Thimerosal in normal human astrocytes, paying particular attention to mitochondrial function and the generation of specific oxidants. We find that ethylmercury not only inhibits mitochondrial respiration leading to a drop in the steady state membrane potential, but also concurrent with these phenomena increases the formation of superoxide, hydrogen peroxide, and Fenton/Haber-Weiss generated hydroxyl radical. These oxidants increase the levels of cellular aldehyde/ketones. Additionally, we find a five-fold increase in the levels of oxidant damaged mitochondrial DNA bases and increases in the levels of mtDNA nicks and blunt-ended breaks. Highly damaged mitochondria are characterized by having very low membrane potentials, increased superoxide/hydrogen peroxide production, and extensively damaged mtDNA and proteins. These mitochondria appear to have undergone a permeability transition, an observation supported by the five-fold increase in Caspase-3 activity observed after Thimerosal treatment.

          • FallsAngel

            I don’t think you understand ppb.

          • Ron Roy

            You pretend to not understand vaccines.

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          • Ron Roy

            Big difference as to how the body responds to an ingested vs an injected substance. If the response was the same why not give all vaccines orally?

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            I think you are confusing your antivax misinformation here. The claims is poly80 bonds with aluminum to cross the BBB. But, the reality is the only drugs which use poly80 to bond and cross BBB are brain meds like loperamide, which have compounds in nanoparticles. Poly80 can only help nanoparticles cross the BBB and nothing in vaccines is that small. Aluminum salts are in microparticles, must too large to cross BBB. In reality, it’s really hard to cross the BBB which is why brain surgery is sometimes a thing for brain issues.

            and no pediatric vaccines have thimerosal

          • Alber Arunee

            The fact that there is mercury and aluminum in vaccines is in my estimation clear evidence that vaccines are biochemical weapons designed to cause harm.

            Here is a list of vaccines which contain mercury and the amount of mercury in each of the mercury-containing vaccines:

            https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            Yes I just posted that link to you because you clearly are not aware of how few flu vaccines have thimerosal in them.

            What are mental health services like in New Zealand. Could you get some help for your severe paranoia?

          • Ron Roy

            When confronted with facts, they can’t refute, pharmaceutical company representatives resort to insults.

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            To whom are you writing? Are you a pharmaceutical company representative? I certainly am not. This is how I feel about sales ” I don’t want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don’t want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed.”

          • Ron Roy

            But I’ll inject my kids with poisons. You make no sense at all.

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            No, you should not inject your children with poison. I don’t inject mine with any poison. That would be illegal.

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          • shay simmons
          • bubbiesbub

            Yes, it’s clear to a moron.

          • Ron Roy

            Pediatric vaccines still contain trace amounts of thimerosal and even trace an mounts, when combined with the aluminum adjuvants in vaccines, are extremely toxic.

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            Not according to the FDA. Many have NONE, as in not even traces. And nothing in vaccines is toxic. You what is a real toxin? Pertussis. Also, diphtheria. And tetanus.

          • Ron Roy

            Mercury Free Vaccines Still Have Mercury In Them

            Excipients are substances used in the production of vaccines which are not actual added ingredients in the vaccine.

            These excipients, including mercury, remain in trace amounts in the vaccine. The Minnesota Department of Health, USA, say:

            ‘Thimerosal
            is still used in the early stages of the manufacturing process of a few
            vaccines to ensure the production line is sterile. It is removed
            through a purification process, with only trace remaining (about 1/100th
            of the amount found in older vaccines).’

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy
          • Ron Roy

            ”we mean none.” Thanks for confirming that all you shills are working for the same pharmaceutical companies. And your / they are wrong there are trace amounts left in vaccines and when combined with the aluminum in vaccines it becomes 100 times more toxic.

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            We, as in society and science. I am a teacher, not a pharma employee.

            A few vaccines have traces of thimerosal but most have NONE.

            https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#cstat

          • AutismDadd

            More FDA from Kathy. Hey Kathy, work for the FDA by any chance?

          • AutismDadd

            Not according to FDA that has approved EVERY nightmare drugs and vaccine. VIOXX FDA approved folks…

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          • AutismDadd

            Sure shill Kathy keep lying.

          • Alber Arunee

            Phydeux has science and junk science hopelessly confused. Vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise dressed up as disease prevention by means of junk science. Or, one can look at it as a particularly vile form of bioterrorism peddled as “immunisation.”

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

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          • FallsAngel

            The black helicopters will arrive soon.

          • Ron Roy

            Great scientific reply! Not. You’ll be docked for that one.

          • FallsAngel

            It’s the perfect scientific reply to conspiracy believers.

          • JoeFarmer

            LMAO! If anyone had any doubt at all that you’re a psycho nutbar, you just removed it.

          • FallsAngel

            Racist, as well as generally repugnant.

          • Proponent
          • Mike Stevens

            ppb?
            You are confusing dose with concentrations.

            Elizabeth, if I injected you with a solution of 50,000ppb of mercury, would it cause toxicity?*



            *The solution I am thinking of would consist of 1 single molecule of mercury, contained in a solution of a 20,000 molecules of water.
            Would you be poisoned by it?

          • Ron Roy

            If you drink one ounce of rattlesnake venom will you be poisoned by it? Now inject that same amount and let us know the results.

          • Mike Stevens

            Adults can ingest tuna within limits. A pregnant female can eat 2 x170gm servings a week with safety. Mercury in tuna is 95% absorbed.
            So during pregnancy, it’s ok for women to expose their infants to levels of mercury that are 80 times higher than the levels found in a thimerosal containing vaccine.

            …Yet you think the vaccine is dangerous with just 25mcg.
            (And no one suggests giving thimerosal vaccines to pregnant women anyway!)

          • FallsAngel

            Polysorbate 80? OMG! It’s in commercial ICE CREAM! No more Ben & Jerry’s for you, Liz.

          • FallsAngel

            when an adult is cautioned NOT to eat tuna fish containing 2 ppb of
            mercury for fear of brain damage, even though the mercury is passing
            through the digestive system instead of lodging in the brain.

            Since when? Post a citation. And you AVs have no idea how the digestive system works, let alone the immune system.

          • Mary S

            Guessing your are what is called a “mommy blogger”. Get paid to watch articles and spread pharmaceutical propaganda… No point talking to you… but it makes a great educational conversation as others are posting the proof that you make up and try to make sound believable I went to the CDC web site, located the vaccination protocol list for babies in their first year… Adding up the lowest minimum ppb included in doses.. it was over 2 ppb and the allowable .. I did not add but much more… this goes into a tiny babies system before their own immune system has a change to finish development… If your picture is true you were born way before the current vaccination protocol as I was… children after 1991 have received way too much… NEEDS to stop… we need clean immunization methods not dirty vaccinations.

          • Pilgrim

            Thank you for clear information. Don’t you love it when you have a different point of view and people pull rank or resort to maligning you with stereotyping or name calling? ha ha. One in sixchildren in US have developmental disabilities, 54 percent of children now have chronic health problems–many related to neurological and auto immune disorders. With these statistics, it makes sense to investigate the one thing that is effecting the immune system (vaccines). And by research, I mean a single double-blind, inert placebo-based study of each vaccine, and their cumulative effect also. This has not been done, yet we are told vaccines are safe! With 1 child in 36 now getting autism, hopefully the alarm bells are sounding off and people will reconsider the fuzzy-quasi-faith-based mumbo-jumbo that is being passed off as “science”. Tripling the amount of vaccines since the late 1980s due to Congress giving the manufacturers full liability, there is no end in sight.

          • Chris Garvey

            But, but, if you compare an inert placebo (rather than the placebo with the toxic carriers) to the full vaccine, the vaccine might show more toxic side effects than the inert placebo. That would not be the result the study sponsors and designers want.

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          • Alber Arunee

            Natural immunity is all that is needed. It develops via childbirth, breastfeeding and exposure to the environment. Clean vaccines is a contradiction in terms. Even the US Supreme Court has declared vaccines “unavoidably unsafe” because they are such filth. Vaccines don’t need to be made safer – they need to be shunned and eventually abolished – as far as I am concerned the sooner the better. Over 200 years of this medical fraud, child abuse and crime against humankind is in my estimation quite enough.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

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          • Brian

            Keep posting Erwin Alber!

            Your completely nonsensical, conspiratorial rants expose the anti-vaxxers as completely untethered from reality. California passed their vaccination laws, in part, because people realized that they don’t want public policy influenced by the crazies.

            Do more of what you’re doing, and vaccination rates will certainly go up!

          • Mary S

            I am sorry but it is postings like yours that is making even intelligent pro-vaccination people call everyone who is questioning the problems with current vaccination protocols anti-vaxxers and causing a stalemate.
            – I am very happy that the small pox vaccine was developed and used and that there is now no known Small Pox virus in humans.

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          • Mike Stevens

            Do you understand that ppb is a concentration, rather than a dose?
            The volume the dose is diluted in determines what the ppb concentration is.
            For instance, we have heard from ill-educated antivaxers that 50,000ppb is the toxic “dose” in vaccines…
            But if that solution consisted of a single molecule of mercury in 20,000 molecules of water (50,000ppb), would you regard that single molecule as being toxic?

          • Mary S

            -Mike, I do understand that PPB = parts per billion, I understand that I looked at the CDC website and added the ppb listed for each dose a child is required to receive over a very short period of time. It added up to over what the CDC noted as safe for one dose. There is that cumulative or collective result. I am not the best with numerical data but I can add. What else I KNOW is too many children are having drastic reactions and have become permanently damaged, families are hurt and having to support damaged grown children. It is not an acceptable % of failure.
            – I KNOW that the system is broke and needs to be fixed.
            – We need herd wellness! Building strong immune systems and normal immunization instead of over vaccination which is interfering with the natural development process.
            – Nature or God if you will, has given us tools from the plants of the earth to heal. Our current vaccination program is no longer doing as intended. Vaccinations are not providing lasting immunity as the natural process does. Immunity in the human body is best developed SLOWLY with small exposure to many bacteria, virus etc. overtime. Let our babies develop first.
            -Also, It sounds like a great idea to put many vaccinations in one shot to reduce the number of needles but this has NEVER been TESTED by any science we are seeing the long term results now. The Pharm’s skew the data to favor paying for their research and development and profits over human health. There are many other options. Use Titer blood testing for school requirements and for our pets also. Some families may chose may homeopathy with over 100 years of documented value, especially in the UK, no it has not been tested with “double blind” studies that science would require sacrificial lambs.
            – Mandates without options are against what is country was build upon..

            -I was blessed my children were born just as this serious over vaccination system grew.. My first had no obvious damage from MMR but my second did, fortunately mild but she lives with her learning challenges. Knowing what I know now, I would have rather managed a home illness as my mother did with our generation. Worked very well, being youngest I was gently exposed and had gentle short days of illness and lots of real “Chicken Soup” Good night to this article seek hope for intelligent choices for our future.

          • Mike Stevens

            Another error:
            Don’t compare the dose of substance in a vaccine (given intermittently over maybe 4 or 5 time points in the first year of life) with the allowable daily dose.

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          • Dave Sebastian

            Your memory is not too sharp sir , you just stated 2 days ago that the FDA removed mercury from it in 2001. Wow !! Can you please send me some of that good weed yer smoking ? LoL !

          • Mike Stevens

            It has been removed from all vaccines in the US, with the exception of around 20% of flu vaccines which are available mainly for adult use in multidose vials.
            In the UK there are no vaccines with thimerosal in them.

          • FallsAngel

            Thimerosal was removed from all vaccines used in children under 6 in 2001. The new vaccines that have come along since have all been thimersal-free, even if they’re used for older kids (HPV, Tdap, Menactra). Multi-dose flu vaccines have a small amount of thimerosal in them. They are not usually used in kids.

            Ed for typo.

          • Alber Arunee

            Have all the vaccines you want Phydeux – nobody is going to inject me or any other member of my family with these vile concoctions.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_qz2beMaE

          • Proponent

            2,587,723 views! It has to be true!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5-ALlEEIVo

          • AutismDadd

            Therapeutic levels of mercury? That’s the Duh Moment of the year candidate material.

          • sabelmouse

            it IS a nutrient, right? maybe it’s like electrolytes, plants need those.

          • AutismDadd

            I’ll stick with magnesium

          • Phydeux

            Clearly you don’t know much about the science of toxicity. FREE mercury bad. Bound mercury in a molecule the body can’t break down, harmless but effective in other ways. Thimerisol is unable to be metabolized by the body, but it’s an effective preservative, so it’s considered safe enough to use in trace amounts.

            After all, water or oxygen can be just as poisonous to humans, it’s the quantity we consume and the form we consume it in that makes all the difference. (That’s called SCIENCE if you’re unfamiliar.)

          • AutismDadd

            Yea blah blah, now explain how mercury is therapeutic..

          • Phydeux

            It kept the vaccine preserved so it could last long enough to do it’s job, thus making it a vital part of a therapeutic agent.

          • AutismDadd

            That’s NOT therapeutic. Its a killing agent

          • Phydeux

            Oh FFS! Only if you’re a microbe or oxygen molecule trying to spoil the vaccine. Contrary to conspiracy theories, the FDA isn’t in the habit of poisoning its own people and their own families. So why in God’s name would they use Thimerisol if they had ANY indication it was harmful? What’s your tin-foil theory for that?!

          • AutismDadd

            You must have an extremely low I.Q. Its a preservative. What does a preservative do? It PREVENTS the growth of anything in the vaccine. How does it accomplish it? By being TOXIC

          • Phydeux

            You’re one to talk about IQs buddy! What’s toxic to a microbe isn’t necessarily toxic to you and I.

            Chocolate is toxic to dogs, yummy to humans.
            Avocados are toxic to most animals other than humans.
            Walnuts and macadamia nuts harmful to dogs.
            Grapes… onions… raisins… garlic… caffeine… citrus peels and leaves… and yeast dough.

            All of these are fine for human consumption and deadly to household pets. There’s plenty of animals that also eat things deadly to humans. Biology is NOT the same among all living things. Stop behaving as though it is.

          • AutismDadd

            More blah blah. Is mercury toxic to living entities or not?

          • sabelmouse

            i am lolling!

          • Bridget Bagley

            A characteristic of the Homo Erectus bi-ped is that this specie of life form is easy to control. We are gullible and are painfully finding our how serious and blighted we have allowed our bodies and brains to become. Our whole social structure worldwide is possibly coming out of as self imposed coma of ignorance. Question. Study. Investigate beyond passivity. Take the slow road of thorough awareness.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            A comprehensive review of mercury provoked autism.
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436

          • Proponent

            Comprehensive?

            Your link is just to an abstract.. where’s the link to the actual “comprehensive” paper?

            … …

            Do you ever read (understanding is another matter) your copypasta and/or check your links, Elizabeth A Haywood?

            Allow me.. ‘no.. no, I don’t.’

            ‘Cause..

            If it’s authored by the Geiers.. you just know that it is going to be god-awful..

            * Chicago Tribune | “Autism doctor loses license in Illinois, Missouri”
            * Science | “Four vaccine myths and where they came from”

          • FallsAngel

            Why is that odd? Shouldn’t they be telling the truth? And the truth is, 80% of the US flu vaccine supply is thimerosal-free, per CDC.

          • Ron Roy

            This is a little off topic but I can’t resist. The Country Village Nursing Home in Lancaster NH has been shut down because almost everyone there ( residents and staff ) has the flu.They all got the flu shot and yet they all got the flu.

          • FallsAngel

            Please post a link verifying all that.

          • JoeFarmer

            Provide a citation or it just gets added to your litany of thousands of lies.

          • bubbiesbub

            It was a different virus, you idiot. Are you a doctor? If you are, you should have your license taken away.

          • Ron Roy

            I haven’t been miseducated thank you.

          • Proponent

            Ron Roy: “I haven’t been miseducated thank you.”

          • Ron Roy

            You had me fooled. Have you got any more links I can use? You’ve been a great help.

          • Proponent

            Ron Roy: “Have you got any more links I can use?”

            Sure, do, Ronald P. Roy, and from your favourite authoritative source on every -thing! Whale to!

            “Eleven years ago I discovered that inexpensive zappers routinely cure cancer and AIDS. What’s taking so long for this news to spread? The answer, of course, is subversion, ritual magic, DOR-based radionics and other high-tech magic and, not least, the studious avoidance in the What To Think Network of any mention of this phenomenally liberating, accessible technology.”–Don Croft (July 2007)

            … …

            Ron! Ron! Were you aware of the above!

            “DOR-based radionics” is keeping a cure for both; cancer and AIDS hidden from the public!

            Get the message out! Copy and paste away to your Facebook group! We simply cannot tolerate the greed and madness of the Medical Mafia Cartel anymore!

          • JoeFarmer

            Ron is poster boy for Dunning Kruger.

          • bubbiesbub

            Ron is a troll.

          • joe

            and a LIAR

          • bubbiesbub

            There are many kinds of flu; they are all caused by a virus. Just because you got a flu shot doesn’t mean you’re immune to all viruses! The CDC chooses the most virulent and most common flu virus of that year to immunize against. I’m sorry I called you and idiot. I’m an idiot for calling you an idiot..

          • Ron Roy

            The CDC is wrong every year.

          • bubbiesbub

            I take it back, troll. You are a paranoid raging idiot who doesn’t have the capability to use your cerebrum, the area that is responsible for cognitive thinking.

          • Ron Roy

            That’s you to a T. You’re looking in a mirror again.

          • bubbiesbub

            You just proved my point. Troll.

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          • Jeroen Deva Geetesh

            Drinking a flu shot is not nearly as dangerous as injecting it.

            If you do not understand this basic difference you have really no clue about how the body deals with toxins. The body is equipped, to some extent, dealing with toxins that are ingested. This is something that can happen in a normal situation.

            However, there is nothing natural and normal about injecting mercury , aluminium, virusses, animal DNA, etc. directly into the blood stream. That is why so many people get so sick from vaccines.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            “Drinking a flu shot is not nearly as dangerous as injecting it.”

            We’re not talking about drinking a flu shot versus injecting a flu shot. We’re talking about half-a-gallon-of-flu-shots a day plus washing clothes in flu shots vs injecting one flu shot.

            “If you do not understand this basic difference you have really no clue about how the body deals with toxins.”

            Toxins are produced by living things. The flu shot does not qualify.

            ” The body is equipped, to some extent, dealing with toxins that are ingested. This is something that can happen in a normal situation.”

            We tend to inhale toxins, if anything. But toxicants or toxic ingredients, sure.

            “However, there is nothing natural and normal about injecting mercury , aluminium, virusses, animal DNA, etc. directly into the blood stream.”

            Show me one vaccine injected directly into the blood stream. Compounds are not elements.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d11534df548ae24f87ac13d13983092a2a78588f93116d787e9e59c0be6df485.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed214a578907859bf503b29df9717e6c7df26291bd993bfa0b0d5a3387d8175e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/81a0d10b427de2653f31c4389333a4f63783d0b3ddfac4e55022c455fded5f59.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8a5d46efbb816ee8da2bfa11f6ff57eac7284757460c409ed95f67c7b0027343.jpg

            As for there being nothing natural about injections, what on earth do you think a rose thorn or an animal bite does?

            ” That is why so many people get so sick from vaccines.”

            Bare assertion.

          • Mike Stevens

            Who injects these things “directly into the bloodstream”?
            Please be more careful with your language.
            If you lie about one thing, people will assume you will lie about other things.

          • Ron Roy

            Even if vaccines are not injected directly into the bloodstream they have to get into the bloodstream in order to get an antibody response. And there’s a big difference as to how the body reacts to an ingested vs, and injectedted substance. Ingested snake venom is completely neutralized by the digestive system whereas if injected you will suffer the full effects of that poison.

          • Mike Stevens

            No Ron.
            There is the lymphatic system, and primary immune responses to injected substances takes place in regional lymph nodes, prior to systemic circulation entry.

            And quit the snake venom stuff would you? No one is discussing ingested substances. If you wish to, be my guest though.
            …We could start with organomercurials like ethyl mercury. It is 95% absorbed into the circulation following ingestion. Of course, you no doubt think different, having been raised on a diet of pure antivaccine propaganda since you weaned.

          • bubbiesbub

            You are misinformed or speaking out of your ass.

          • FallsAngel

            Both.

          • JoeFarmer

            Ron is suffering from a chronic case of cranio-rectal inversion and terminal Dunning Kruger.

          • joe

            You have done it again Joe, just cracked a rib from laughing

          • Proponent

            Took you seven months to research this, Ronald P. Roy?

            And you still can’t make it fit into any of your twisted and/or erroneous narratives.

            And you still managed to get it wrong..

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3493e7cc97897ff313cb766ed70d6bb029392c9c8e502264f364a0f326daff39.png

          • Ron Roy

            If you paid attention I’ve posted that info a dozen times. If you weren’t sleeping on the job you would have noticed it. Oh do you have any more information I can put to good use. The last link you posted was a big help.

          • Ron Roy

            I see you still have at least a couple of your co workers upvoting you not to mention three idiots.

          • FallsAngel

            Once a substance gets into the bloodstream, the body treats it the same, no matter how it got there.

          • Ron Roy

            Vaccine bypass an important part of our immune system putting an undo strain on our last line of defense. The first and most important part:

            Immunoglobulin A (IgA, also referred to as sIgA) is an antibody that plays a crucial role in the immune function of mucous membranes. The amount of IgA produced in association with mucosal membranes is greater than all other types of antibody combined.[3] In absolute terms, between three and five grams are secreted into the intestinal lumen each day.[4] This represents up to 15% of total immunoglobulins produced throughout the body.[5]

          • FallsAngel

            You don’t get it, Roy. You just don’t get it.

          • Bored Now

            putting an undo strain on our last line of defense.

            Ron, when you get a VPD like chicken pox — which you swear up and down is almost entirely harmless — the symptoms you get are the….get ready for it…of a load on your immune system. Orders of magnitude greater than what is produce by a vaccine. This is why the visible symptoms of VPD’s appear.

            So your claim is that in some magical fairy way. Getting a disease like chickenpox ISN’T a enormous strain on your immune system but a thousandth of the viral load IS.

            (thanks for the entertainment)

          • Ron Roy

            You conveniently left out all the diseases cause by all the other ingredients in vaccines. You know like every auto-immune disease known to mankind and all the cancers not to mention the brain damage.

          • Bored Now

            You conveniently left out all the diseases

            I also left out TS-19, Descolada and Shazambago for the same reason I left out the diseases you believe are called by vaccines.

            all the other ingredients in vaccines

            Which ingredients are in the VZV vaccine which aren’t already in most peoples bodies in much larger quantities?

            (keep up the entertainment Ron)

          • JoeFarmer

            The “whoosh” you just heard was the sound of your entire post going over dimbulb Ron’s head…

          • Bored Now

            I figured that at least Shazambago was within his cultural reference frame.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            The chickenpox is a mild disease. The CHICKENPOX VACCINES side effects-blindness, hearing loss, brain damage, shingles and permanent disability-not so much.

            https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/02/chicken-pox-vaccine-creates-shingles-epidemic.aspx

          • Bored Now

            It might be important to separate third-hand reports of clinically unconfirmed post-hoc events from actual useful data.

            The chickenpox is a mild disease.

            …and getting vaccinated is analogous to having the mildest possible case of it. So the vaccine is likely to be far safer.

            shingles

            So how exactly are children getting shingles from the VZV vaccine? Why would you even include that on a list of symptoms since your mild disease is the cause of pretty much every case of shingles?

            The King study IIRC which is where a lot of the talk about prophylaxis through exposure to children. Actually found that shingles cases among children dropped to zero after vaccination.

          • Mike Stevens

            As “Bored Now” stated, these “complications” of chickenpox vaccine you mention are just a list of the possible effects of live chickenpox virus in humans.

            The crucial point is that wild-type, virulent chickenpox virus is many thousands of times more likely to result in one of these complications that is the weakened, attenuated vaccine virus.

          • Proponent

            Mercola?

            Sure, let’s tale a look..

            The Earthing Universal Mat and the Grounded Standing Floor Mat

            What do you think, Elizabeth Alice Haywood?

            Should I opt for the Earthing Universal Mat for $59.99? Or, the Grounded Standing Floor Mat for $109.00?

            Bearing in mind that I don’t want to spend all of my money in one place, so to speak. As I still need some money left for Mercola’s Supplements, Proteins, Food & Drinks, Personal Care products, Home & Garden and Fitness products.

            Oh, and something for my Pets and Kids, of course.

            … …

            Some Books and DVDs, too.

          • Ron Roy

            And the quacks you support give out prescription drugs like they were candy and hospitals charge as much as a $1.00 for a Qtip. At least Mercola sells items that won’t put you back in the hospital like most prescription drugs do. Just lookm at all the commercials put out there by lawyers their getting rich suing drug companies fro harming thousands of people.And look at all the quacks who push chemo when they won’t take it themselves.

          • Proponent

            Mercola? Cancer?

            Let’s take a look..

            “And he had a sales pitch to sweeten the deal. He claimed the tanning beds that he sold for between $1,200 and $4,000 from his Hoffman Estates based-business not only didn’t cause cancer, but also actively reduced the chances of getting it.

            There was only one problem with Mercola’s spiel, according to a Federal Trade Commission lawsuit: It was nonsense.”

            (Source: Chicago Tribune | “Accused by feds, sun bed-selling doctor settles for up to $5.3 million” )

          • Ron Roy

            Mercola said he only settled the case as “a business decision,” and
            stands by his claims that his tanning beds had cancer-fighting benefits
            and that Americans were suffering from what he called an “epidemic” of
            under-exposure to ultraviolet light, which he said could be treated by
            “moderate” sun bed use. Nice try Proponent of poisonous vaccines. Here one of your own:

            Multimillionaire doctor who plunged hundreds of patients into
            bankruptcy by falsely diagnosing cancer and giving them unnecessary
            chemo is jailed for 45 YEARS

            Dr Farid Fata gave 533 patients excessive and grueling cancer treatments
            He then billed insurance firms, scamming millions of dollars in the process
            Victims, some of whom did not actually have cancer, had health wrecked
            Sustained brittle bones and fried organs, with one losing both of his legs
            Some patients lost their homes and jobs, and were forced into bankruptcy
            On Friday, Fata broke down in court as he was imprisoned for 45 years
            The
            50-year-old oncologist, from Detroit, Michigan, admitted: ‘I misused my
            talents and permitted this sin to enter me because of power and greed’
            Judge deemed multi-million-dollar scam ‘a horrific series of criminal acts’http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3156633/Doctor-prescribed-stunning-doses-unnecessary-treatment-hundreds-cancer-patients-scam-millions-insurance-firms-jailed-45-YEARS.html

          • Bored Now

            Mercola said he only settled the case as “a business decision,” and stands by his claims that his tanning beds had cancer-fighting benefits

            Sadly Mercola’s opinion on the subject of what does or does not cause/fight cancer is only worth slightly less than what you would get if you asked a block of wood. 🙂

          • Ron Roy

            I’ll believe Mercola over you any day Johnny.

          • Bored Now

            Your lack of wit is not exactly news.

            (Thanks for entertaining me)

          • shay simmons

            Of course you will — gullible loons like you are the natural prey of grifters like Mercola.

          • shay simmons

            Hey, I see you got bounced from Health WingNut News — congratulations! I’m waiting for them to get tired of dodging my questions.

          • Acleron

            I suspect they liked the clicks for the advertising revenue but then realised they were losing every argument and the OP was shown to be shoddy work that they are trying to plug the holes in the dyke and of course, making it even worse.

            Lol, I’m still laughing at Mike Stevens find that their ‘journalism’ prize was awarded by Wakefield.

          • shay simmons

            Oh, HNN claims they have award(s)! More than one!

            They still haven’t answered anyone’s questions, though.

          • Acleron

            Perhaps Mercola gave her one.

          • Acleron

            Lol, I have received the accolade of being banned by the Nut. Too much asking for some facts apparently.

            I’ve seen such sites before but it was a useful reminder of how much mutual grooming they do without a shred of understanding the science or the concept of evidence.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Me too!

          • Acleron

            Congrats.

          • JoeFarmer

            Same here, they’ve got to keep their little bubble intact. That can’t be done with people asking questions and posting factual information.

          • Acleron

            Congrats.
            It gives an insight into the people who venture out from there convinced they are the only people with the Troof.

            The hypocrisy of saying they are banning trolls when the Nut and AutismDad stroke each other is roaringly laughable.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            I’ll have to take your word for it. I blocked Adud long ago.

          • FallsAngel

            You, too? Same here.

          • joe

            You BLOCKED the Dudd too? for shame, he is so entertaining with his stupid one liners and the equally hilarious Gish Gallops, nobody takes him seriously, I just wonder, how on Earth he gets through each day, boy it must be hard when you have a brain the size of a Pea.

          • AutismDadd

            Yawn. I won’t comment on your stroking behavior but support your right to be different.

          • AutismDadd

            No its not that.

          • FallsAngel

            You, too? I’ve been banned as well. I don’t understand why Disqus allows a mod like HNN to do what she’s been doing.

          • kfunk937

            More to the point, it may be the actual site owner, herself.I’m not familiar with what rules govern disqus clients, but suspect that when she moved on from editing comments, to replacing them with ranty, baseless accusations (directed at the original commenters’ but using their now-highjacked ‘nyms), to explicitly encouraging her readers to harass a commenter, to harassing now-banned commenters with repeated replies (to which said commenters may not respond) and then turned up the volume to eleventy by issuing outright threats to dox users, sue them for supposed defamation, send camera crews to their houses, etc…. she may have finally crossed over a contractual line (if there is one). Some of these more egregious events have since been deleted by the “moderator”.She styles herself as internet-savvy, but cannot find the reply radio-key or use HTML (nor speelcheek). I’ll forgo assessment of her self-styled journalism, as the semi-literacy of the posts speaks for itself.The site owner (if different from the moderator(s)) has been in the past herself a victim of harassment and violation of privacy, per court records and contemporaneous media accounts. One would think that she would therefore (a) be aware of the existence of screenshots, and of the eternal nature of the internet’s memory, and (b) be less inclined to make threats.

          • FallsAngel

            Yeah, I think it is the site owner. But shouldn’t that be against general Disqus policy to be so blatantly dishonest?

          • JoeFarmer

            What Mercola-hoe has done is actionable. It’s just a matter of whether anyone wants to bother doing anything about it. If she keeps it up, it might be worthy of sending to Ken at Popehat just so the bunch over there can make her look even worse.

          • kfunk937

            Erin has stated previously that she runs the site alone and has no staff, and the writing style/behaviour are consistent throughout the comments on the account. So, more than likely, our speculations are correct.

            Disqus does not police individual sites’ moderators/moderation… within limits. Those limits may or may not be specified to a greater degree in site owner/client contracts than is spelled out in their general TOS. I doubt that blatant dishonesty qualifies, but one hopes that harassment and threats would at least raise an eyebrow or two.

          • Acleron

            I think you would have to convince Disqus that she was bringing the Disqus name into disrepute and reducing their income.

          • joe

            Not easy to do.

          • joe

            No, as I said before, Disqus has no interest regarding moderation, I have been told by them that each channel is run by a moderator or moderators and they run it according to their standards, if you do not like it don’t post there, that’s how it is.

          • shay simmons

            I noticed she threatened one poster (Joe Farmer) with a camera crew, as well.

          • JoeFarmer

            She does seem rather unhinged, doesn’t she?

            If she does show up, I really hope she likes dogs, because they’re going to get all up close and personal with her and the camera crew. There’s something about 100 lbs. of German Shepherd running 30+ mph directly at a person that tends to scare them.

          • kfunk937

            Yup. But if she’s “sending crews” to where Joe grows his pineapples, she’s going to be disappointed. 😀

          • Acleron

            She is savvy enough to denigrate someone in their own post so it doesn’t show up in their alerting stream.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Doesn’t work for those of us who are uncool enough to occasionally google their own name.

          • JoeFarmer

            Are you sure about that? I’m thinking Hanlon’s razor applies here.

          • Acleron

            Mmh, perhaps.

          • kfunk937

            She did quite quite a bit. But there are screencaps and the Wayback Machine, if that’s at all useful.

            You should see the page now. She’s taken confabulation right off the deep end, puir t’ing.

          • shay simmons

            Not to mention if you downvote or flag the post, it’s against the original poster.

          • joe

            Yeah join the club.

          • joe

            Welcome to the “Banned Club” I still do not lose sleep over it.

          • AutismDadd

            Buh Wah Ha Ha don’t break your arm patting your own back stooge

          • joe

            Plenty of room in the S.S. BANNED

          • kfunk937

            I’d missed that paediatrician Chad Hayes attended the Woonucopia where that “award” was invented presented. His coverage was excellent.

          • Acleron

            Thank you, I was unaware of Chad Hayes but just read his article on the sales pitches. I have no idea how he managed to sit through all of that. Breathing in microRNA, Aluminium from chem trails, Hg is in flu vaccines otherwise they wouldn’t work? The nonsense they spew out.

          • AutismDadd

            so dumb

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Let us know when you get banned?

          • shay simmons

            As of this morning — and they removed several comments.

          • FallsAngel

            Ditto. Talk about not wanting to get confused with the facts.

          • Mike Stevens

            I’m banned from them too.
            I didn’t want to give them more page hits anyhow.

          • shay simmons

            One more life experience to chalk up, I guess.

          • joe

            Listen, the steam ship “banned” is almost full, I don’t know if we can fit Shay in, no offence Shay, we love you but it is getting crowded here.

          • AutismDadd

            As if you contribute anything but aroma

          • Ron Roy

            The drug companies you work for:

            These are the 50 most dangerous drugs on the markethttps://www.abc15.com/news/national/these-are-the-50-most-dangerous-drugs-on-the-market

          • shay simmons

            Dr Joe Mercola? Would this be the same Dr Mercola who was ordered to refund $5.3 mil to the people he conned into buying tanning beds that he claimed prevented cancer?

            That Dr Mercola? Yeah, I’d sure get medical information from him.

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          • shay simmons

            I’m still waiting for him to explain that Wikipedia excerpt.

          • shay simmons

            Now explain in your own words, Ron, what that (unattributed) copy/paste from Wikipedia means.

          • Mike Stevens

            You are so stupid you can’t even appreciate why IgA is irrelevant to “toxin” absorbtion following ingestion.

            Perhaps you think IgA interferes with your alcohol ingestion, Ron, and stops any reaching your bloodstream?

          • Ron Roy

            IgA antibodies are irrelevant to ingestion of some toxins but the next mode of detoxification, stomach acids, are not. Inject snake venom into yourself and I’ll drink twice that amount and we’ll see who survives. Nice try at defending drug companies Mickey.

          • Mike Stevens

            “IgA antibodies are irrelevant to ingestion of some toxins”
            So why did you bother to raise them, Ron?
            Did they have a nice, “sciencey” feel about them that made you all warm and fuzzy inside, even though they are quite irrelevant?
            Tell me Ron, does stomach acid destroy alcohol?

          • AutismDadd

            Buh Wah Ha Ha

          • Jeroen Deva Geetesh

            Hi Mike,

            Thank for the correction. I should have used more precise language. What I of course meant is that the content of the vaccine ends up in the blood stream. That is how the different components and toxins end up in other parts of the body such as the brain.
            Ron Roy below explains it well for those having difficulties to understand.

            The trouble is of course that many people here are not listening to understand, but listening to argue. Mostly on symantics rather than focussing on the big picture.

            But nevertheless, thank you for the clarification!

          • Mike Stevens

            Ron doesn’t explain it well, however.

            1. He constantly raises the straw man of orally ingested substances. That’s irrelevant. What is important is the amount of any substance that reaches the systemic circulation, irrespective of how it gets into the body.
            2. He, and you, presumably think it is necessary for a substance to get into the bloodstream to elicit an immune response. Not so. Following IM injection, considerable proportion of what is injected is taken up by lymphatics, and the primary immune response happens in the regional lymph nodes. This is before getting into the bloodstream.

            I hope that those with difficulties in comprehension, like Ron and others, will understand now.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            What do diabetics have to check before and after eating?

          • Mike Stevens

            The toxin in question is thimerosal, an organomercurial.
            It is 95% absorbed into the circulation following ingestion.
            Just so as you know, because your comment makes it seem that you think the body is somehow equipped to deal with it.

          • bubbiesbub

            Are you a doctor? If not, stop spreading lies. If so, show me the studies that prove your point.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            The nimrods who say drinking Mercury is the same thing as injecting it this are insulting you. They think you’re so stupid you don’t know there is a difference between ingesting a substance and injecting that substance. When you get that response, invite them for drinks. Offer to have a contest. You do 3 shots of Tequila and let them inject three shots of Tequila. See who walks out of the bar and who goes out on a stretcher.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/448906d281985ea36fcc208de952aca984c801252e8629e1f3d3d3b7ff75ba00.jpg

            Nearly every single vaccine given to American children contains formaldehyde or formalin (which is formaldehyde in water). Many of the vaccines given to our children have formaldehyde as the first ingredient.

            As long as I’ve been researching and writing about vaccines, I have never seen a single study indicating that this has been shown to be safe. I’ve never seen a study indicating it’s even been tested.

            This is the link where you can find the vaccine manufacturer’s inserts.

            http://vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

            Pull up the ones that have formaldehyde in them and go to Section 13.1.

            “This vaccine has not been tested for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for its potential to impair fertility.”

            What I HAVE heard repeatedly is this: “There is more formaldehyde in a pear than there is in vaccines.” Really? Please don’t accept this as a valid argument. The nimrods who say this are insulting you. They think you’re so stupid you don’t know there is a difference between ingesting a substance and injecting that substance. When you get that response, invite them for drinks. Offer to have a contest. You do 3 shots of Tequila and let them inject three shots of Tequila. See who walks out of the bar and who goes out on a stretcher.

            All this uproar about formaldehyde in flooring from China.

            Guess who is set to become the biggest vaccine maker in the world?

            China.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Scroll up and find who the nimrod was.

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy
          • kfunk937

            That’s a multi-dose vial for 10-20 doses, in which thimerosal is used to prevent microbial contamination when the vial is accessed repeatedly.

            There is no thimerosal in the single-dose presentation, which comprises nearly 80 percent of the market.

            It’s not present in any other routine childhood vaccine.

          • AutismDadd

            According to Head Vaccine Guru Paul Offit, aluminum and mercury act like nutrients in the body. That’s right folks, the go to guy actually thinks this.

          • Jeanie Keltner

            You are so misinformed.

          • Phydeux

            Don’t just tell people who have citations they’re misinformed, show some evidence to the contrary with citations of your own

            AKA PROOF

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Thimerosal Exposure and the Role of Sulfation Chemistry and Thiol Availability in Autism Int. J. Environ. Res. Public Health 2013
            http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijerph

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            There is no thimerosal in children’s vaccines elizabeth

          • Alber Arunee

            There is Thimerosal in multi-dose flu shots given to children from the age of six months and to pregnant women. We obviously live in a mental asylum run by its worst inmates.

            Erwin Alber

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            Maybe in your country but not in the USA. In the USA, most flu vaccines have no thimerosal and pregnant women and children get single dose shots which definitely have zero thimerosal. NONE.

            https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

          • Mike Stevens

            “We obviously live in a mental asylum.”
            I wondered where you were posting from, Erwin.
            Don’t they restrict inmates’ access to the internet any more?
            …Shame.

          • FallsAngel

            Spammish.

          • Mike Stevens

            I’d love to read that article, but your link doesn’t go there….

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Thimerosal induces neuronal cell apoptosis by causing cytochrome c and apoptosisinducing factor release from mitochondria. International Journal of Molecular Medicine, 2006
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16273274

          • FallsAngel

            Spammy.

          • Mike Stevens

            Causing apoptosis in a tumour cell line would be a beneficial thing, no?
            …Perhaps we should campaign to bring back thimerosal in vaccines to prevent brain tumours?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            1)At what dose does that happen?
            1a)Be sure to compare chronic-to-chronic or acute-to-acute
            2)How does that compare to the dose in vaccines?

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Persistent behavioral impairments and alterations of brain dopamine system after early postnatal administration of thimerosal in rats. Behav Brain Res, 2011
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21549155

          • FallsAngel

            Spamming.

          • Mike Stevens

            Do you have an explanation for the excessive doses of thimerosal used in this study, which are unrepresentative of the situation in vaccinations?

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Neurodevelopmental disorders following thimerosal containing childhood immunizations: a followup analysis International Journal of Toxicology, 2004
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15764492

          • FallsAngel

            Spamalot.

          • Mike Stevens

            Can you explain why this article is written by a doctor who has had his license to practice pulled?
            Do you understand why VAERS is unsiutable for epidemiological analysis, and that they specifically tell researchers it is quite unsuitable? Can you explain why this ex-doctor decided to produce an invalid study?

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Neonatal administration of thimerosal causes persistent changes in mu opioid receptors in the rat brain. Neurochem Res. 2010
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20803069

          • FallsAngel

            Your own words, please.

          • Mike Stevens

            What is the function of mu opiod receptors, Elizabeth, and how is this comparable to the situation in human infants? Please explain, so we can all learn.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Maternal thimerosal exposure results in aberrant cerebellar oxidative stress, thyroid hormone metabolism, and motor behavior in rat pups; sex and strain dependent effects. Cerebellum. 2012
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22015705

          • FallsAngel

            Enough spamming.

          • FallsAngel

            Spam, spam, spam.

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            your spammy spamalot posts are making me LOL

          • FallsAngel

            Thanks!

          • Mike Stevens

            Can you please clarify and compare the doses given to those that would be found in humans fetuses/infants, even if TCVs were used in pregnancy?

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Lasting neuropathological changes in rat brain after intermittent neonatal administration of thimerosal. Folia Neuropathology, 2010
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21225508

          • FallsAngel

            Spamm.

          • Mike Stevens

            Again, could you explain why doses used in this study were several magnitudes higher than a human infant would get in that time frame?

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Integrating experimental (in vitro and in vivo) neurotoxicity studies of low-dose thimerosal relevant to vaccines. Neurochem Res. 2011
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21350943

          • FallsAngel

            Explain this in your own words.

          • AutismDadd

            troll

          • growerjenn

            ? You go read it — you wouldn’t believe something in another person’s own words anyway.

          • FallsAngel

            You don’t get it; I want Elizabeth to tell us what this means. She has no idea; it’s just copy/pasta.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines Containing Thimerosal. Environmental Health Perspectives, August 2005
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16079072

          • FallsAngel

            Explain in your words.

          • Mike Stevens

            Can you explain why this wasn’t a comparison to vaccines containing thimerosal, Elizabeth?

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            Typical Vaxhole-where’s any truth out of you? You are all bluster and no substance.

            Administration of thimerosal to infant rats increases overflow of glutamate and aspartate in the prefrontal cortex: protective role of dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate. Neurochem Res. 2012
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22015977

          • FallsAngel

            Explain in your own words.

          • Chris Garvey

            “Never paraphrase a statute.” Cardozo Law Dean Monrad Paulsen

          • FallsAngel

            I’m not asking her to paraphrase a statute. I’m asking her to explain “what does this mean”? Sort of like “What does e=mcSquared” mean?

          • Mike Stevens

            Elizabeth, isn’t aspartate in the brain a useful thing?

          • Chris Garvey

            What’s the going pay rate for a pro-vax paid troll?
            Is it by the hour or by the post?
            Where does one apply for the job?

          • Brian

            If I could get paid to debunk false information on the internet, that would be fantastic.

          • Proponent

            The Shill Gambit.

            Sign of an intellectually weak argument (and that is being kind)..

            Skeptical Raptor | “Shill gambit – logical fallacies”

            … …

            Next?

          • Mary S

            Not removed ! it was determined to be too toxic to be allowed in vaccines but the law did not require it to be removed from product that was already manufactured and an additional number of years was allowed for distribution so that Pharma companies could reformulate.. Science agreed that it too toxic.. I found this information on the CDC site which I check because of your previous comments. Thank you for adding to you resources.

          • Proponent
          • Mary S

            Irrelevant: Thimerosal is still in mult-dose vaccines,, apparently no longer allowed in the USA, according to Mike Stevens..

          • Dave Sebastian

            Have any idea the population of America Phydeux ? LoL !! Your delusional sir. Oh and just another ignorant sheep.

          • Alber Arunee

            He’s ignorant or evil. I suspect the latter.

            Erwin Alber

          • Alber Arunee

            Provaxers can stick their filthy vaccines into their own anatomy. There is NO WAY I would let anyone inject me or any child of mine with any of this toxic crap. Vaccination is strictly for morons who imagine they suffer from a vaccine deficiency because they lack a fully functioning brain.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4b8200ddd715acac5a455d2a3ce11b0ced9d836e0362db149616afc412c0a7ce.jpg

          • Proponent
          • Jeroen Deva Geetesh

            Indeed, the CDC is a truly reliable source of misinformation. There is NO insignificant amount of aluminium when INJECTING it directly into the blood stream. This is in no way the same as drinking it as you claim.
            Aluminium is a neurotoxin linked to brain damage such as found in Alzheimer and Autism patients. Did you know that recent research showed that children that died with autism had extremely high concentrations of Aluminium in their brains?

            Maybe science isn’t your thing, but this is interesting:

            “We have made the first measurements of aluminium in brain tissue in ASD and we have shown that the brain aluminium content is extraordinarily high. These are some of the highest values for aluminium in human brain tissue yet recorded and one has to question why, for example, the aluminium content of the occipital lobe of a 15 year old boy would be 8.74 (11.59) μg/g dry wt.?”
            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763

            As for those 7 billion. They are mostly like you. They never research anything, rarely ever think for themselves or question anything ‘authorities’ tell them and they blindly believe their governments and doctors. It is said, but the truth.

            Billoins of people smoking. They can’t be wrong. Must be healthy. Same logic.

            P.S.: My nephew got into coma after vaccination, my daughters best friend got a stroke and now has serious speech problems after a vaccine, her other best friend is vaccinated and constantly sick. Furtunately both mothers have seen the link and stopped vaccinating.

            Stop believing pharmaceutical propaganda and screwed logic. When you eat aluminium it is toxic but in that case the body has a natural defense mechanism to get rid of (some) some of the toxins. This is not possible if you bypass the natural lines of defense in the skin or stomach by directly injecting it into the blood stream.

            By the way, Al is only one of the many reasons why vaccines are so dangerous.

          • Mike Stevens

            Name one childhood vaccine injected directly into the bloodstream and I’ll give you $10,000.

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          • FACTS

            trace amounts of mercury remain.. aluminum is a neurotoxin.. please look past industry tobacco science and propaganda..

            New study: Massive Aluminum levels in Autism brains, is this the smoking gun for vaccines?

            “These are some of the highest values for aluminium in human brain tissue yet recorded.” — Professor Chris Exley of Keele University, discussing new findings of Aluminum levels in the brains of people with autismhttps://medium.com/@jbhandley/new-study-massive-aluminum-levels-in-autism-brains-is-this-the-smoking-gun-for-vaccines-54ae85ec2a9c

          • Ron Roy

            Mercury ( thimerosal was not completely removed from vaccines:http://vaxtruth.org/2012/01/aluminum-toxicity-and-a-primer-on-the-vic/ And this is what happens when the two are combined: ”Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials
            at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is
            synergistic toxicity – mercury’s enhanced effect when other poisons are
            present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of
            aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking
            effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a
            1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality
            rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain
            aluminum.” Mercury on the
            Mind by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

          • Phydeux

            Thimerisol was removed from CHILDREN’S vaccines, not all vaccines. And since we are on the subject of children’s vaccines, I didn’t expect folks like you to be bringing in every vaccine known to man. Clearly I expected better than you could deliver.

            And those rat tests were done with different forms of mercury and aluminum than are used in vaccines. So while they achieve synergistic toxicity in lab tests with one pairing of molecules, that does not translate to the same behavior in a human body using completely different molecules with different bonding properties.

            And if these tests are SO conclusive, why haven’t they been enough to stop vaccines being made? It only took ONE scientist to prove lead in paints and gasoline were harmful. But you have hundreds of quacks spreading pseudo-science about vaccines they can’t prove. The autism “link” alone has been debunked a thousand different ways, but yet your anti-vaxx brethren refuse to accept it.

            The FIRST RULE of science is: Correlation does not mean causation.

            Just because high aluminum levels are found in those with Alzheimer’s doesn’t mean it caused the Alzheimer’s. It could very well be that Alzheimer’s causes the elevated levels of aluminum in the system. Or that they’re completely unrelated. No one knows definitively because they’ve never been able to establish a CAUSAL link.

          • Ron Roy

            According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the world’s leading immunogeneticist and
            13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review
            journals): If an individual has had 5 consecutive flu shots between 1970 and
            1980 (the years studied) his/her chances of getting Alzheimer’s Disease is 10
            times higher than if he/she had one, 2 or no shots. Dr. Fudenberg said it
            was so and that it was due to mercury and aluminum that is in every flu shot.
            The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive
            dysfunction.

            Flu shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury. One microgram is considered
            toxic.

          • Bored Now

            world’s leading immunogeneticist

            Uh by whom? I mean it’s interesting that if you google the phrase “world’s leading immunogeneticist” the only hits you get are effectively that quote.

            One would think that the world’s leading immunogeneticist would have been called that more than once.

            (thanks for the entertainment)

          • Ron Roy

            At one time the 13th most read and quoted immunogeneticist in the world. And you Johnny what are your qualifications? Oh you’re an assistant teacher in a high school.

          • Bored Now

            At one time the 13th most read and quoted immunogeneticist in the world.

            From the same source that made the claim that he was the “world’s leading immunogeniticst” an opinion echoed by nobody but people citing the same questionable source.

            Johnny what are your qualifications?

            I’m qualified to point out that these ordinal claims of superiority seem rather made-up.

            Oh you’re an assistant teacher in a high school.

            The only person I’ve schooled today is you.

            (thanks for the entertainment)

          • shay simmons

            So…was he the world’s leading immunogeneticist or was he #13?

            And what is the foundation for your two contradictory claims?

          • Phydeux

            Well if he said it was, then it MUST be true!

            No need for anyone else to replicate his study or publish reliability statistics, right? Why do science the right way when it’s easier to just assume he’s correct.

            And yes 1mcg of pure mercury is toxic, but this is NOT pure mercury they’re using. It’s a bonded molecule that won’t be absorbed into the system.

            Learn soms basic scientific principles and then make a knowledgeable argument.

          • shay simmons

            Hugh Fudenberg is not the world’s leading immunogenetecist. For starters, he’s dead. Secondly, the fact that he produced hundreds and hundreds of papers is of little merit if they had no sound research foundation.

            The flu shot contains no mercury at all — most flu shots don’t even contain thimerosal, an organomercury compound. The flu shot also contains no aluminum-based adjuvants.

            This is something you find hard to grasp. Why?

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          • AutismDadd

            Really? source FDA and CDC? No bias there.

        • Dave Sebastian

          Thank you for that TRUTH Joanna.
          I cant believe people would even consider getting the flu shot , that never works anyway. Stupid Sheep !!

        • Mike Stevens

          Could you say that in English, please?

          • AutismDadd

            She said HUUGE shots cause autism

        • Mike Stevens

          “I had measles and mumps it was easier than taking 53 vaccines”

          Possibly. You were lucky not to get complications.
          Can I ask if you also had diphtheria, tetanus, rubella, pertussis, polio, smallpox, meningococcal meningitis, haemophilia meningitis, rotavirus, chickenpox, invasive pneumococcal disease too?

          How did you get on with those? Were they also easier than getting the vaccine?

          • Joanne Long

            I never got any of those. I am in my late seventies and I stayed petty healthy all my life.Only reason I got the m&m I was up for adoption in a children’s home and that went around to all the kids. I did find out I had a natural immunity to chickenpox. Basically most people don’t get all those illness you posted. I never had my children vacxed either and 2 of them are highly intelligent belong to the menses club all my children stayed very healthy maybe cause I breast feed. And we didn’t have the foods that are out today with all the pesticide and GMO’s. I have never had a VACCINE IN MY LIFE OF ANY KIND.

          • bubbiesbub

            You are blessed, but ignorant.

          • Joanne Long

            We never had vaccines until I was in 3rd grade and that was polio and I didn’t get that!

          • bubbiesbub

            … and our point is?

          • Joanne Long

            Maybe I am blessed but I am too old to be ignorant. Truth is I think I am talking to a few liberals like you and nobody survives that not even you!

          • bubbiesbub

            Huh? I’m not sure I understand what you said. I’m a hard core conservative and no one is too old to be ignorant. Perhaps English is your second language? Ignorant just means you don’t know. It doesn’t mean you are stupid and it doesn’t mean that you are not wise. It just means that you do not know about this. I do; I’m a doctor. You are citing anecdotal evidence which is not science. Everyone is ignorant about something; no one is all-knowing. I’m ignorant about football… and I don’t care! LOL!

          • joe

            You are NEVER too old to be ignorant.

          • AutismDadd

            Something joe actually knows from personal experience

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            What about Cancer? Pretty much all of those Polio Vaccines were contaminated with a cancer virus that would manifest itself in 30 -50 years.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2dbfd0e2eadb1b1bbd2441c082de3792f7be4424919772d1e71e8f0584faf7c4.jpg

            Simian Virus 40 (SV40):
            A Cancer Causing Monkey Virus
            from FDA-Approved Vaccines

            Michael E. Horwin, M.A., J.D.*

            This article was originally published in the Albany Law Journal of Science & Technology, Volume 13, Number 3, 2003

            The Creation and Production of the Polio Vaccines

            In the 1950s, scientists like Doctors Jonas Salk and Albert Sabin had isolated the poliovirus strains to make vaccines.[1] Dr. Salk’s strains would be inactivated with formaldehyde and injected into children. Dr. Sabin’s strains would be attenuated or weakened by transferring or passaging[2] the live viruses through different host cells and then fed to children orally.

            Because his goal was to create a live attenuated vaccine, Dr. Sabin had to isolate the poliovirus strains and then passage the strains through a myriad of host cells in order to attain the right virulence—strong enough to illicit an immune response, but weak enough so as to not cause polio in the recipient. Sabin’s oral polio vaccine (OPV) is a trivalent vaccine and was, therefore, comprised of three types – Type I, II, and III. For example, Type I has the following lineage: In 1941, Drs. Francis and Mack isolated the Mahoney poliovirus “from the pooled feces of three healthy children in Cleveland.” [3] Dr. Salk then subjected the strain to passages through fourteen living monkeys and two cultures of monkey testicular cultures.[4] In 1954, the strain (now called Monk14 T2) was given to Drs. Li and Schaeffer who subjected the virus to nine more passages through monkey testicular cultures.[5] Next, the strain (now called Monk14 T11) underwent fifteen more passages in monkey testicular cultures, eighteen passages in monkey kidney cells, two passages through the skin of living rhesus monkeys, and additional passages through African Green monkey skin and monkey kidney cell cultures.[6] This strain was now called MS10 T43 or LS-c. In 1956, Dr. Sabin took this virus and passaged it through seven cultures of African Green Monkey kidney cells.[7] That same year, the pharmaceutical company, Merck, Sharp & Dohme, passed the strain (now called LS-c, 2ab/KP2) through a rhesus monkey kidney cell culture.[8] The resulting material was called Sabin Original Merck (SOM) and was provided to Lederle in 1960 as the seed material to manufacture its polio vaccine. Types II and III were created in a similar fashion.[9]

            Once their strains were isolated, pharmaceutical companies needed a method to propagate the viruses in order to produce the vast quantities of vaccine needed for nation-wide immunization campaigns. This required a substrate upon which the poliovirus could be efficiently grown and harvested. Kidney cells from rhesus monkeys were chosen because they were found to be an effective growth medium.[10] A small quantity of poliovirus could be added to the minced kidneys surgically removed from these monkeys and within a few days, large quantities of poliovirus could then be harvested from these same monkey cells.

            There was a problem, however, with using these monkey kidney cells to both create the original vaccine strains and grow the vaccine in large quantities. Monkeys contain simian viruses.[11] When the poliovirus was passaged through the monkeys or grown on the monkey kidney cells for production, extraneous viruses became part of the final poliovirus vaccine.[12] As early as 1953, Dr. Herald R. Cox, a scientist working at Lederle Laboratories, one of the polio vaccine manufacturers, published an article in a peer reviewed scientific journal in which he stated, “[P]oliomyelitis virus has so far been cultivated only in the tissues of certain susceptible species—namely, monkey or human tissues. Here again we would always be confronted with the potential danger of picking up other contaminating viruses or other microbic agents infectious for man.”[13] In fact, in 1958, a scientific journal reported that “the rate of isolation of new simian viruses (from monkey kidney cells) has continued unabated.”[14] Additionally, in 1960, the pharmaceutical company Merck & Co. wrote to the U.S. Surgeon General:

            Our scientific staff have emphasized to us that there are a number of serious scientific and technical problems that must be solved before we could engage in large-scale production of live poliovirus vaccine. Most important among these is the problem of extraneous contaminating simian viruses that may be extremely difficult to eliminate and which may be difficult if not impossible to detect at the present stage of the technology.[15]

            The Discovery of Simian Virus 40 (SV40)

            Between 1959 and 1960, Bernice Eddy, Ph.D., of the National Institute of Health (NIH) examined minced rhesus monkey kidney cells under a microscope.[16] These were the cells of the same species of monkeys used to create and produce the oral polio vaccine. Dr. Eddy discovered that the cells would die without any apparent cause. She then took suspensions of the cellular material from these kidney cell cultures and injected them into hamsters. Cancers grew in the hamsters.[17] Shortly thereafter, scientists at the pharmaceutical company Merck & Co. discovered what would later be determined to be the same virus identified by Eddy.[18] This virus was named Simian Virus 40 or SV40 because it was the 40th simian virus found in monkey kidney cells.

            In 1960, Doctors Benjamin Sweet and Maurice Hilleman, the Merck scientists who named the virus SV40, published their findings:

            Viruses are commonly carried by monkeys and may appear as contaminants in cell cultures of their tissues, especially the kidney . . . . The discovery of this new virus, the vacuolating agent, represents the detection for the first time of a hitherto “non-detectable” simian virus of monkey renal cultures and raises the important question of the existence of other such viruses . . . . As shown in this report, all 3 types of Sabin’s live poliovirus vaccine, now fed to millions of persons of all ages, were contaminated with vacuolating virus.[19]

            The vacuolating virus was another name for SV40.

            In 1962, Dr. Bernice Eddy published her findings in the journal produced by the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology. She wrote:

            There is now an impressive list of oncogenic (cancer causing) viruses—the rabbit papilloma, polyoma, Rous sarcoma, the leukemia viruses . . . . It has been known for a number of years that monkeys harbor latent viruses . . . . The (SV40) virus was injected at once into 13 newborn hamsters and 10 newborn mice. Subcutaneous neoplasms indistinguishable from those induced by the rhesus monkey kidney extracts developed in 11 of the 13 hamsters between 156 and 380 days . . . .[20]

            Subsequent studies performed in the early 1960s demonstrated that SV40 caused brain tumors in animals[21] and that SV40 could transform or turn cancerous normal human tissue in vitro.[22] A disturbing experiment performed during this era also suggested that SV40 could cause human cancers in man in vivo.[23] In 1964, Fred Jensen and his colleagues took tissue from patients who were terminally ill with cancer.[24] They exposed the tissue to SV40 and then after it was transformed, they implanted the tissue back into the patient.[25] These implants grew into tumors in their human hosts.[26] This suggested the possibility that SV40 could cause cancers in man.

            http://sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html

          • Mary S

            Thank you for posting this scientifically uncomfortable but detailed information.

          • Elizabeth Alice Haywood

            “There has never been a single vaccine in this country that has ever been submitted to a controlled scientific study.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/399dd649e704401f060b54b9a07761fccc41647c8e39d17981b224f8a0de91b1.jpg

            They never took a group of 100 people who were candidates for a vaccine, gave 50 of them a vaccine and left the other 50 alone, and measured the outcome. And since that has never been done, that means if you want to be kind, you will call vaccines an unproven remedy.

            If you want to be accurate, you’ll call the people who give vaccines quacks.”

            -Dr Robert S. Mendelsohn, MD

            Vaccine Damage News
            http://www.vaccinedamage.news/

            http://vaccine-injury.info/

          • Melissa

            I have always wondered why the doctors tell you to stay away from people that are not vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, then there shouldn’t be any worry right?? SMH. There is something not right there.

          • Mike Stevens

            Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and plenty of people cannot be vaccinated for reasons previously stated. That’s why.

            They need protection from the unvaccinated disease carriers (for example the unvaxed are 35 times more likely to get measles; 23 times more likely to get pertussis)

          • Ron Roy

            Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and plenty of people cannot be vaccinated for reasons previously stated. That’s why.herd immunity is an impossibility.

          • Mike Stevens

            Durrrr…. clunk clunk…
            You don’t need 100% immunity to provide herd immunity, Ron.
            50% is enough for flu, for example, and 80% for mumps.
            It’s dependent on the R0 of the pathogen.

            I tried to find a suitable source to explain it, treading the fine line between the need to cater for your ignorance, but not wishing to dumb-down the information too much in case more intelligent people also want to gain something from it.
            Here you go:
            https://medium.com/@gidmk/herd-immunity-is-pretty-cool-adbc52630f9f

          • Ron Roy

            More and more people are waking up to the dangers of vaccines so you can kiss the lie of herd immunity goodby.

          • Bored Now

            More and more people are

            …pretending that more and more people are joining your lot but were is the evidence of that?

          • Mary S

            Thank you Mike Stevens for the link to “simplified’ herd immunity post but the Sarcasm should be beneath you. You joined the Bully team all clicking like on each others posts. SAD..

          • JoeFarmer

            And once again Ron Roy demonstrates why he is accurately described as an idiot.

          • Ron Roy

            Again an illogical reply by a phony farmer.

          • JoeFarmer

            It’s entirely logical, Ron.

            Thanks for the demonstration of idiocy! You just walked right into that.

          • Bored Now

            That’s more like evidence that you failed math Ron. Herd immunity is simply the point where the effective R0 is < 1. Can you point out why 100% vaccination is necessary for this to be true? No? Then you really have no argument.

            Math Ron. The day you learn some, is just one less day you spend in abject ignorance.

          • shay simmons

            And English. And history. And chemistry. And….

          • Bored Now

            …but that stuff’s all for eggheads. Reel scyence ain’t more than fallowing yer gut!

          • Acleron

            Ron showing he cannot understand herd immunity, perhaps a simple video can explain the effect.
            https://youtu.be/UqKP-ETVvrc

          • AutismDadd

            Yawn fest

          • FallsAngel

            There is a subset of people for whom the vaccines don’t “take”. It’s usually no more than a few percent, but if you’re one of them, you’ll get sick.

          • Ron Roy

            Have a good nourishing diet and take a few vitamin mineral supplements and you won’t have to worry about diseases. Oh and stay away from vaccines.

          • FallsAngel

            And you accuse me of shilling!

          • Ron Roy

            Unlike you I don’t get paid.

          • Bored Now

            So the only reason that someone would tolerate your company — intellectually speaking — is if they were being paid?

            (thanks for the entertainment)

          • FallsAngel

            I’m the one who doesn’t get paid. I’m on social security. How do you support yoursef?

          • Ron Roy

            Social Security and income from an IRA.

          • bubbiesbub

            You’re that old and you still troll the internet like a kid?!?!? Grow up and get a purpose in life!

          • joe

            Yeah HIS purpose in his life is coming to these forums to spread misinformation, he has NO other life, this is it.

          • JoeFarmer

            You should be held legally and financially responsible for the demonstrably incorrect garbage you post that results in harm to others (in other words everything you post). You are a menace to public health.

          • Ron Roy

            ”You are a menace to the profits of the Medical Mafia.”FTFY.

          • JoeFarmer

            You didn’t fix anything, Ron. You just made yourself look like an idiot. Again.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Explain countries with universal health care.

          • shay simmons

            I would disagree — he’s not significant enough to be a menace to much of anything. Notice how he (to paraphrase Rooster Cogburn) pulls Facebook like a gun? Take him out of his echo chamber and he’s a laughingstock.

          • AutismDadd

            Yea just like the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program right Pharmer?

          • shay simmons

            If you eat a nourishing diet, why would you need supplements?

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          • AutismDadd

            meme meme meme

          • Mary S

            Reading that list it makes me think someone sat around at boardroom table thinking up little known diseases that they could create a vaccination for .. rather than a team of scientists developing vaccinations to solve an actual health problem. Either way they have now created a new problem.

          • Mike Stevens

            I’m sure scientists and public health specialists are not bothered by what you think.

          • Ron Roy

            ”I’m sure the scientists and public health specialists, that are in the pharmaceutical industries pockets, are not bothered by what you think” FTFY.

          • AutismDadd

            Sociopaths are like that.

          • FallsAngel

            I seldom say this on here, but . . . that’s stupid.

          • JoeFarmer

            “…makes me think…”

            And that’s the problem – you attempted to do something you’re incapable of.

          • Mary S

            It is really sad, I joined this thread with a middle ground opinion. After listing to this lovely team of bullies, several of who are stated to be doctors.. Sad.. Yes, “THINK” why don’t you, before you write.
            … the problem is you guys look to be about 5 of you, are mainly spouting off your childish playground games.. Your attack on Ron Roy, is.. as FallsAngel said: “I seldom say this on here, but . . . that’s stupid.”

          • JoeFarmer

            You are receiving derision because you parrot anti-vax tropes that are demonstrably incorrect.

            Start quoting facts and see what happens.

          • FallsAngel

            What JoeFarmer said. And saying this, as you did: “Reading that list it makes me think someone sat around at boardroom table thinking up little known diseases that they could create a vaccination for .. rather than a team of scientists developing vaccinations to solve an actual health problem. Either way they have now created a new problem.is stupid, and that’s what prompted my reply. You also said you thought 43 deaths from measles was bullsh*t.

            You don’t think 400 deaths per year from measles in the US was a problem? 20,000 cases of paralysis from polio? Etc?

          • Mary S

            1) I have made NO comments on the deaths of any illnesses mentioned, In that you are simply mistaken perhaps thinking of someone else..
            2) AND from my experience “There IS a problem” and it is not stupid to be concerned, but of course JoeFarmer has a right to his opinion as we all do. In addition, I have seen how businesses sometimes create problems so they can solve them.
            3) RE: the problem is you guys look to be about 5 of you, are mainly spouting off your childish playground games.. Your up votes on buddies and attacks on those you do not agree with is.. as FallsAngel said: “I seldom say this on here, but . . . that’s stupid.”
            4) Re: “Upvote envy, too!” This is not a competition. For me it is a quest to learn from many differing opinions. There is always value to learning two sides of a conflict.
            – Unfortunately, I have found only a few here worth reading. No the less it has been valuable and quite entertaining but taken too much of my valuable time.

          • FallsAngel

            Upvote envy, too!

          • Brian

            Why did you assume you had a “middle ground” opinion. All of your comments, from your very first, have been anti-vaccine conspiracies and nonsense.

            Why do antivaxxers lie so much?

          • Mary S

            But my LEANINGS toward Anti-vaccine is from personal experience, thus the search for truth. My comments include research from the CDC as well as readings and searches from a wide range of sources with bias in both directions.
            – I AM NOT ANTI-VACCINE, I AM ANTI-LARGE PHARMA making decisions for my life and for our country.
            – I know people personally who have children who certainly appear to have direct serious adverse reactions after vaccinations and watched my own child change mentally shortly after completion of first year schedule… And as petty as this may seem to you, my dog’s recent illness and ultimate death was clearly triggered immediately after her rabies vaccine update. With dogs the vaccination issue due to over-dose to smaller dogs.. FACT: Dogs are given the same rabies dose for a 100 lb dog as a 10 lb dog, Fact checked by asking Veterinarians and Vet assistants. .. Recipe for disaster. My dog went into adrenal failure, her diagnoses, too late to save her was Addison’s disease. Labeling everyone does not serve anyone. AND I have stated no lies.. turn back to yourself.

          • Brian

            If you aren’t anti-vaccine, why do you promote FALSE information to vilify vaccination, and refuse to acknowledge it when proven wrong. Want examples?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            The thing is that facts don’t actually support a middle-ground opinion.

          • Mary S

            Your personal opinion without full knowledge of the facts.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Then provide me the facts I’m missing and I’ll change my mind.

          • Mary S

            Reference is to the “FACTs” of my personal opinion. So I can not provide references except my own opinion.
            I can tell you that in certain areas I am yet forming an opinion and others I am firm…
            I am seeking knowledge specifically about the long-term effects of the current protocol/schedule of vaccination given to BABIES… before age one. There seems to be NO research or studies on this.. there does SEEM to be a parallel increase of certain serious health problems in our (USA) youth that may be directly related to vaccination. Frightening to me is the HPV vaccination and the risk over value.
            … I have happily learned that at least here in the USA, we not longer use the formulas that included mercury and aluminum for most of our vaccines, unfortunately in the past we did.. I Continue learning. I will be reviewing more references and links from posters on these discussion which may temp be to reply.. but to me it is clear those who draw lines and hold fast and do not hold an open mind soon have little to contribute.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake


            Reference is to the “FACTs” of my personal opinion. So I can not provide references except my own opinion. ”

            You stated that I was missing facts. So provide them. Now, if I was missing your opinion, that’s quite possible. But I don’t care how many people say x, I care if x is true or not.

            “I can tell you that in certain areas I am yet forming an opinion and others I am firm… ”

            That may or may not be fair, depending on how firm. I don’t hold any position so strongly that I’m not willing to change my mind – not even ones like 3+4 = 7.

            “I am seeking knowledge specifically about the long-term effects of the current protocol/schedule of vaccination given to BABIES… before age one. ” There seems to be NO research or studies on this.”

            Where are you looking? Also, there is no such thing as a long-term study on infants because of the nature of infants is that the longest you can study them for is 12 months. There are things like follow-up studies though.

            “. there does SEEM to be a parallel increase of certain serious health problems in our (USA) youth that may be directly related to vaccination. ”

            Such as? And correlation isn’t causation.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b7b17e46412b1f51615ab70401d0a862fbeeea23a6d2484a81b9b8fb74737346.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b73895dd5d89a4b70dbc4ba28dab280ce087ca9f603795d1278717b8deb782ec.jpg

            “Frightening to me is the HPV vaccination and the risk over value. ”

            Can you give me a specific example?

            “… I have happily learned that at least here in the USA, we not longer use the formulas that included mercury and aluminum for most of our vaccines, unfortunately in the past we did.”

            Except that turns out not to be the case. Compounds are not elements.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3d57a33cdb44b20b385adf1c05d6c031852916d97c2f846f6ed669567afeee2c.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1faf2856834570aefbd37a1da0027cb537fe8342c799635a1f2030ba6803310b.png

            “I Continue learning. I will be reviewing more references and links from posters on these discussion which may temp be to reply.”

            Sounds good!

            but to me it is clear those who draw lines and hold fast and do not hold an open mind soon have little to contribute.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Is it without full knowledge of the facts or without full knowledge of your opinion? If the former, provide the facts I’m missing. If the latter, it doesn’t matter whether or not I have full knowledge of your opinion because it might align with reality or it might not.

          • Mary S

            There was NO fact stated to provide anything, you missed the whole point.. your earlier reply was to my personal opinion and I stated so. .. enough you have started to sound delirious.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            You said it was my personal opinion without full knowledge of the facts, Mary S. That you can’t keep your claims straight is not my problem.

          • shay simmons

            Reading that list it makes me think someone sat around at boardroom table thinking up little known diseases

            If those diseases (diptheria, tetanus, rubella, pertussis, polio, smallpox, etc) are little known to you, you can thank vaccines.

          • Mary S

            Probably for some, but not likely all.

          • shay simmons

            Which diseases would you like your grandchildren to come down with?

          • Mary S

            None, I hope, although I know measles and chicken pox can be managed with natural means that does not have risks of dangerous side-effects.
            – I realize you should not easily be able read all my posts since I selected private but I am not anti-vaxx… I am am pro-natural health when appropriate.
            – I am very concerned about the number of vaccines currently are being given to our BABIES here in the USA. Given in too great a quantity, too early in life and these vaccines have NOT been tested in the manner and schedule that they are being given. They have generally only been individually tested. And I do see there seems to be a serious appearance of damage showing up over the years since the protocol has been .. some 50+ before a child reaches age one… There are really so many legitimate arguments against this schedule of risk to the child’s natural immune system. And for so little reason – natural, life-time immunity occurs when a child has these particular diseases while young and the bout with the illness is manageable. If you disagree, Ok. I agree to your right to disagree.

          • shay simmons

            On what evidence do you base your belief? Because vaccines are tested, and they are tested against other vaccines.

            The appearance of serious damage is supported by what documentation?

            If you check the US pediatric vaccine schedule, no child received 50+ vaccines before age 1. What information do you have that says otherwise?

            Life-time immunity occurs when a child gets the disease, but why do you feel the disease is safer than the vaccine?

            I fear you have been misled.

          • Mary S

            “Because vaccines are tested, and they are tested against other vaccines.” Tested against other vaccines is not testing for safe use with multiple vaccines in one injection is that has not been tested.

            On the guidance of the links provided by several of you fine posters who are narrow in your support of vaccines given as they are right now, I followed more than one CDC link and then searched for more, read and saw the charts for the number of vaccines in the first year, found only testing of individual vaccines. If you can show a line to ANY testing of multiple vaccines in one injection I would very much like to read it. I then Located other government sites (Pubmed.gov and the CDC and Lancet where allowed) where it was noted that there has been concern for over 40 years that the introduction of substances contained within the formulas of vaccines needed more study and were of potential harms.. I am not going to try to back this comment with citations.. anymore than you have backed your statements. AND and not being a professional “SCIENTIST” I take the right to use lay terminology today,.

            Here… just an interesting sections from Lancet.. .. it would be good if this century could avoid: “Tensions between improving public health on the one hand through attempts to prevent disease, and threatening the values of individual freedoms (and, in rare cases, the individual’s health) on the other hand, are not new. In the 19th century, for example, a series of parliamentary acts passed to enable compulsory smallpox vaccination in Britain and the USA were followed by rioting in the streets and saw the beginnings of the early anti-vaccination movement.” -read it yourself: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(07)70057-9/fulltext

            You insult with no purpose but to boost your self.

          • shay simmons

            ” I am not going to try to back this comment with citation” Of course you aren’t going to risk posting citations — the dubious validity of the anti-science position has been exposed here multiple times.

            “it would be good if this century could avoid: ” The medical community refuses to roll over and play dead in the face of your ignorance? Good.

            You have been misinformed.

          • Mary S

            To answer you. RE: “Life-time immunity occurs when a child gets the disease, but why do you feel the disease is safer than the vaccine?”
            First, that is why I have been following this discussion, to decide.
            Second, my own life experience. Myself and siblings are of the generation that went through most of the diseases in these discussions. For my family and friends in our school and neighborhood circle the Mumps, Measles and Chicken pox were handled with loving parental care with no need of professional medical interventions.
            – Despite the fact that I never had a known case of the Chicken pox. (I think it was Mike Stevens who pointed out that some illness may have gone unnoticed) As I stated in a pervious post, I developed natural immunity, presumably from my siblings, this was later verified with blood titer testing while I was pregnant with my second child and my first daughter was recovering from Chicken pox. Which now I realize was after she had been vaccinated. so go figure.. it did not prevent the disease in my own daughter, although it possibly, it may have helped her to have a mild case.

            This type of Narrow minded discussion from your team of Pro-vaxxers is fueling a fire, adding a problem of mistrust, of the medical profession as a whole but especially the status of vaccination formulas, safety testing and informed (educated) consent. Read the my pervious comment in reply to you question then follow the link to the discussion on the Lancet website.

            I have taken my time posting this in hopes that you and others knocking down all other opinions but your own might reopen your minds to seeking solutions rather than just bashing those who have seen questions because they are seeing a dangerous situation growing. Just knowing where to find official scientific data does not make you ALL KNOWING.

          • shay simmons

            I note the irony of your deciding that you have enough information to make a decision based on personal anecdotes, rather than evidence based of decades of medical research by scientists from all over the world – and accusing others of narrow-mindedness.

            You certainly do have the right to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

          • Mary S

            Again. note the first statement in the comment you just replied to:
            -” First, that is why I have been following this discussion, to decide.”
            I answered your question, explained why I am questioning the current schedule of vaccinations and yet you ignore what I wrote and made up what you apparently want to argue about. Your bud up vote you for what I can not see..
            Thank you for allowing me my own opinion. Any research scientist knows that there is always more to be learned I wonder why you do not.

          • shay simmons

            Is English your second language?

          • Mary S

            your comments are useless… the very reason there is a growing number of unreasonable “anti-vaxxers”

          • shay simmons

            your comments are useless

            This from the person who can’t explain why she refuses to actually count the # of vaccines on the pediatric schedule instead of making numbers up.

          • JoeFarmer

            So the “very reason there is a growing number of unreasonable “anti-vaxxers” is because you got caught lying?

          • Mike Stevens

            “- You state, If you check the US pediatric vaccine schedule, no child received 50+ vaccines before age 1. What information do you have that says otherwise? ANSWER the CDC documentations.”

            Here is the CDC documentation:
            Count the number of routine vaccines given at 0, 1, 2, 4, 6 and 9 months.
            I’ll list them for you:
            Hep B x 3
            Rota x 2 or 3
            Diphtheria x 3
            Tetanus x 3
            Pertussis x 3
            HiB x 2 or 3
            Pneumo x 3
            Polio x 3
            Flu x 1
            That’s between 23 and 25 vaccines depending on the product given.
            How do you make it “50+” vaccines?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18c7c99dcd0569f3287edd1c947be660cf494cca929bef61ab2773098cd5fb23.jpg

          • FallsAngel

            Take the highest number, multiply by 2.

          • shay simmons

            She tykes ‘er boots orf?

          • Mary S

            I appreciate this chart & count. Not sure it is exactly the same chart I located and printed to study but I expect is will provide the same info. ? I assume the x3 would mean 3 doses?

            I concede that my statement about 50 before 12 months is WRONG however the statement got some of the result I needed. The valuable one is this response from you. Thank you. And then there is the garbage so many others replied with.

            I also acknowledge I repeated information without first checking it to be fact. Sadly it seems to take EXTREMES to get attention to subject and that is what is happening in the world to day. On top of all these comments there is growing fear and mistrust the CDC and they are going to have to do something to Prove they are providing the best evidence for the medical community on this subject and many others.

            For now will learn exactly how many vaccine doses are given before 18 months rather than 12 as that looks to fit the schedule better more as it is given currently..

            What I can state correctly is that in 1983 there were dramatically less, looks to be about 10 diseases covered by age 14-16.. That increase concerns me, as does the change in number of severe reactions. I hope it concerns you also and if you find a need for correction you will help make it happen.

          • Mike Stevens

            Thanks for admitting your error.

            “What I can state correctly is that in 1983 there were dramatically less, looks to be about 10 diseases covered by age 14-16.. That increase concerns me, as does the change in number of severe reactions. I hope it concerns you also and if you find a need for correction you will help make it happen.”

            The increase pleases me. It means fewer diseases that could harm my kids… they are better protected than kids were in 1983.
            There hasn’t been any change in the proportion of reactions; more vaccines means more reactions, but serious ones are so rare as to be massively overwhelmed by the benefits conferred by the vaccines.

          • Brian

            What is concerning? We protect against more diseases now. That’s a good thing.

          • Mary S

            Simple answer, there is currently the appearance that some vaccines or perhaps the volume of or schedule of vaccinations in children may be cause of harm that some will consider greater than the benefit. Simple.. it is a genuine concern. While we are rattling around in this conversation.. I noted from another conversation that Monsanto’s pesticides containing glyphosate may be one of possibly many causes… Time for seeking more answers. Hoping for unbiased studies and data reporting.

          • Brian

            Well, the concern isn’t in the vaccinations, but rather that you get information from non-reliable sources. That’s why you’ve been so misinformed about the number of vaccines and the ingredients in them, you not knowing about all of the safety and efficacy studies performed, and your tendency to believe in debunked conspiracies.

            Looking at this topic factually and objectively, protecting people from infectious disease, with the large-scale studies of safety that goes along with them, is a very good thing.

          • Mary S

            Your argument, well stated. However, still YOUR opinion. In YOUR opinion the information you are getting is factual but if it has created with bias it could be primarily incorrect and non-reliable.

            Of course, I assume we all want to protect people from infectious disease and everyone wants to be assured that it is done in a safe and sane manner and that is should be done with education and informed consent. If the population distrusts the CDC, believing it to be presenting flawed studies and reporting with manipulated data all the science in the world will not keep people safe from disease. Think about it, posting data all day long will do nothing if it is not believed.

            Finally, you do not have the knowledge to say what I believe or that I am misinformed. You can only speak to what you know of yourself.

          • Acleron

            The CDC publishes its data and its sources, if you want to argue the data and the conclusions then go ahead. But that never happens, all we get is vague accusations and denial. It’s a neat tactic to avoid the facts but the poisoning of the well approach of antivaxxers will never reduce disease. Also bear in mind that the data and conclusions of the CDC are replicated all over the world.

          • Brian

            Actually, I do have the information. Your own posts contradict one another. That’s one of the reasons we know you were misinformed.

            And what if you were right- that the CDC was corrupt and spitting out bad information? Well, the CDC is only one organization in only one country. There are literally hundreds of other organizations that study vaccines. When they all independently study the same topic and came to the same results, you know the results are valid. Independent replication is one of the foundations of scientific research. It’s the answer to the exact concern you mentioned.

          • Mary S

            Not the EXACT answer but a good start.
            -Food for thought, the United States and Australia have more vaccines in their schedules than most if not all other countries in the World. That leaves the question, Why do so many other countries chose a reduced number of vaccines in their protocol? Is there is some scientific disagreement. Is there a question that the data may not be concluding with “Independent replication” or some other scientific reason? Apparently within those hundreds of organizations that study vaccines there is clearly some debate or there would not be an anti-vaccine movement.

          • Brian

            Food for thought- Most developed countries have nearly identical vaccine schedules: United States, Canada, Australia, Germany, England, Austria, Japan, Italy, France, Russia, and most all developed countries…

            The USA and Australia aren’t exceptions. Some anti-vaccine sources lie about this and try to convince people that other developed countries don’t vaccinate, but the vaccine schedules can all be found online.

            Minor differences in the countries exist due to the prevalence (or lack thereof) of certain diseases and socioeconomic factors. For example, Japan vaccinates for JE but the USA doesn’t.

          • shay simmons

            Finally, you do not have the knowledge to say what I believe or that I am misinformed.

            If you believe, as you have stated, that a child gets 50+ vaccines in its first year, then yes…he does have the knowledge to say you’re misinformed.

          • Mary S

            If you took the time to read my reply to Mike Stevens you would know that what I replied after that statement… I acknowledge my error of repeating an incorrect number and that I appreciated his reply with useful information. Looks like you and your team enjoy the competition for up-votes more than gaining knowledge or sharing information.

          • shay simmons

            DId any of Mike’s information cause you to correct your stand on vaccination?

          • Mary S

            Shay, I have do not have a stand on vaccination Pro or Con. Any debate requires opposing views to bring helpful discussion. My statements and Mike Stevens replies has helped to do that.

            My stand is I have a serious concerns about what is taking place around the world with many doctors making statements that differ so completely from orthodox convention. Some may are basing their questions from experience within their own practices and comparing notes with others. Some have done small research projects and shared information at conferences. I am concerned that families are scared.

            My personal goal is to be able to make an informed decision about the vaccination schedule and about each individual vaccination, not lumping them into one result. I believe most are safe but not sure if they all are. We need access to long-term scientific studies that answer the questions being presented by the anti-vaxx conflict. I need to know that the schedule and number of doses given within a relatively short period of time to infants is in the CHILD’S best interests weighing risk to benefit.

            There is a need for long-term scientific studies to ease the fear of those that are increasingly becoming afraid to allow any vaccinations for their children. It seems we need to consider holding back some for further scientific testing, unless it is out there already done then it needs to be published so families can make sound decisions.

          • shay simmons

            You have access to long term research studies, and the concerns addressed by a tiny, tiny minority of practicing MDs have been addressed over and over by healthcare organizations and research facilities around the worl.. Sound scientific testing has been done, and it has been published, and you have been provided with links to some of this research already.

            Your perception is that there is a question. No amount of evidence is going to change that, is it? The old saying is true – you can’t reason someone out of a position that s/he was not reasoned into.

          • Mary S

            As of yet I have not seen or been guided to ANY long term research studies although I may have just now been indirectly guided to a science based website of value. The more you and some of your team of up-voters write, quote, copy paste the more it looks like you have an agenda other than facts. Sad.
            I am hoping this website will lead me to more useful information:

            http://nationalacademies.org/hmd/About-HMD.aspx

            “The Health and Medicine Division (HMD) is a division of the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (the National Academies). The National Academies are private, nonprofit institutions that provide independent, objective analysis and advice to the nation and conduct other activities to solve complex problems and inform public policy decisions related to science, technology, and medicine. The Academies operate under an 1863 congressional charter to the National Academy of Sciences, signed by President Lincoln.”

          • shay simmons

            So, you haven’t been guided to any long term research studies because you don’t believe the long term research studies you’ve been guided to.

            I can’t wait for you to find that your link leads to documents with statements like:

            The committee finds that evidence convincingly supports a causal relationship between some vaccines and some adverse events—such as MMR, varicella zoster, influenza, hepatitis B, meningococcal, and tetanus-containing vaccines linked to anaphylaxis. Additionally, evidence favors rejection of five vaccine-adverse event relationships, including MMR vaccine and autism and inactivated influenza vaccine and asthma episodes. However, for the majority of cases (135 vaccine-adverse event pairs), the evidence was inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship. Overall, the committee concludes that few health problems are caused by or clearly associated with vaccines.

            http://nationalacademies.org/HMD/Reports/2011/Adverse-Effects-of-Vaccines-Evidence-and-Causality.aspx

          • shay simmons

            Here’s another quote from the HMD.

            Upon reviewing stakeholder concerns and scientific
            literature regarding the entire childhood
            immunization schedule, the IOM committee finds
            no evidence that the schedule is unsafe. The committee’s
            review did not reveal an evidence base
            suggesting that the U.S. childhood immunization
            schedule is linked to autoimmune diseases,
            asthma, hypersensitivity, seizures, child developmental
            disorders, learning or developmental disorders,
            or attention deficit or disruptive disorders.

            Existing mechanisms to detect safety signals—including
            three major surveillance systems
            of FDA-approved products maintained by the
            CDC and a supplemental vaccine safety monitoring
            initiative by the FDA—provide further confidence
            that the current childhood immunization
            schedule is safe.

            http://nationalacademies.org/hmd/~/media/Files/Report%20Files/2013/Childhood-Immunization-Schedule/ChildhoodImmunizationScheduleandSafety_RB.pdf

          • shay simmons

            Thanks, Mike.

          • JoeFarmer

            Apparently, you’re unable to count. Or you were lying.

          • FallsAngel

            I attempted to understand exactly how many PPBs were included in the accepted schedule before the 12th month.. I am not sure I understood it perfectly but it the total was over what I understand to be considered safe if it were in one injection or in one exposure to any other products.

            You absolutely didn’t understand it as thimerosal has been removed from all childhood vaccines used on kids under 6. You also are clueless as to what PPB means.

            Noting that MMR is 3 vaccines in one injection etc. I will review those myself later to confirm or deny what I saw searching mercury.

            There is not, and never has been any thimerosal in the MMR vaccine. The thimerosal would kill the viruses!

            Plus (this for Sudanese) there never was any elemental mercury in any vaccine, ever!

            Mary, you have a lot to learn about chemistry and vaccines. Until then , do not post such nonsense.

          • Mary S

            This is for you…
            https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/past.html

            Start counting being mindful that MMR = 3 vaccines in each dose.
            I never attempted to get the exact number myself.. but it is more than 30 and depending upon the year you will likely find increasing numbers over time.

          • shay simmons

            So you’ve never bothered to get the exact number, but you know it’s too high.

            The rest of your post makes no more sense.

          • Blues

            I had smallpox, chickenpox, mumps and measles, and so has every other person I know without having a single vaccine. We are all alive and healthy and I have NEVER heard of anybody dying from those ailments, because we used plain common sense when somebody was affected.

          • Brian

            Smallpox killed more people than Genghis Khan, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, every terrorist act in human history, and every war in human history, combined. You are truly clueless.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Of course you are! The ones who died of smallpox, chickenpox, mumps and measles don’t tend to post about it on disqus. Does plain common sense include never reading the dedications part of the BFG to your children?

          • AutismDadd

            Mike FEAR MONGERING Stevens

          • bwf309

            LOL typical medical response. No facts, just fear and attempted intimidation.

          • Mike Stevens

            I asked a couple of polite questions.
            Funny how you interpret that as “fear and attempted intimidation”.

            …Gosh, I must really scare the sh1t out of you poor little snowflakes…

          • ciaparker2

            Most people before the vaccines had gotten subclinical immunity or from mild cases to diphtheria, tetanus, rubella, pertussis, polio, smallpox, all the kinds of meningitis you mentioned, rotavirus, and chickenpox. As well as measles and mumps. Ánd HPV. And of course that was better than either the vaccines or serious cases of the diseases. So people need to consider the chance that their child would contract a dangerous case of the diseases which exist in their area at the time. You need to get as few vaccines as possible to try to avoid vaccine damage. I think you only need to seriously consider the DT series after two, the Hib series only for babies under 18 months in daycare, and the polio series only if it comes back in your area.

          • Mike Stevens

            Sorted out that HPV party for C yet, Cia?
            Why not?

          • ciaparker2

            HPV is ubiquitous in the environment and by no means limited to sexual transmission. However, nearly everyone who is sexually active contracts it at some point, and well over 90% of them clear it within a year or two with no further problems.
            C has autism, if you’ll recall. Even if she were raped, God forbid, even if she were to contract HPV, the way everyone does, it is EXCEEDINGLY unlikely that she develop cervical cancer from it. I guess I’d get her a DNA test if I were afraid she might have contracted it and proceed from there based on whether she did or not.
            I would ask you to argue based on facts, difficult as I know that is for you to do. Name one disease that 15,000 a year might die of if no one vaxxed for it.
            And what I said is true. Most people DID get subclinical immunity to these diseases. However, in the case of a few of them, many people would prefer to take the vaccine than chance the disease. Really only tetanus. Diphtheria would be dangerous, but is no longer present. Breastfed babies are at very low risk of meningitis. Polio we’ll worry about if it comes back. Etc.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Amusingly enough, it is DANGEROUS to get the HPV vaccine if a girl is one of the huge number who contracted HPV by a nonsexual vector, and it greatly INCREASES her risk of developing precancerous lesions if she gets the vaccine”

            Ah yes, Cia, the old antivaccine trope of “HPV vaccine increases the risk of precancerous lesions….”

            You would be referring to one of the subgroup analyses within the Gardasil trials (013), where in a small sample of women there was noted to be an increase in CIN2/3 grade lesions in the vaccinated group. The explanation was evident from a look at the demographics, which showed the women in the two groups to be different in terms of underlying risks for HPV, and indeed this finding was an artefact. The vaccine group were more likely to be smokers, have a history of STDs, and twice as many already had previous PAP smears with HSIL (high grade squamous intraepithelial lesions), indicating that they already had much higher likelihood of CIN2/3 lesions, and the vaccination was irrelevant. (You’d understand this I expect, as you are the one who always says cervical cancer only happens in promiscuous women who smoke!)

            It is always inadvisable to overinterpret subgroup analyses, particularly when they were this small. And although the vaccinated group had more CIN2/3 lesions, the difference was not statistically significant.

            In addition, other larger subgroup studies with Gardasil looking at the same outcomes contradict this finding, confirming that in the 013 subgroup study it was an artefact caused by these confounding variables.

            So, having again had another one of your claims proved to be wrong, what will you do?
            (1) Double down on your cognitive dissonance, and insist you are right?
            (2) Insist that the data analysis for the other studies was compromised, because someone must have bribed them?
            (3) Pretend that only the 013 study was valid?
            (4) Decide that statistical non-significance actually means significance?
            (5) All of the above?
            I’m going for #5 in your case Cia. You have used all of the above tactics previously…

          • ciaparker2

            https://www.march-against-monsanto.com/genetically-modified-hpv-vaccine-increases-risk-of-developing-cervical-cancer/
            I got a million hits on the question, but I don’t have time to discuss it. I encourage anyone concerned about the MANY and SERIOUS dangers of the HPV vaccine, no longer offered in Japan for this reason, to read my link and then research it himself. I used Duckduckgo as my search engine, as Google has been corrupted, but it would probably yield results to if the question were phrased precisely enough.

          • Mike Stevens

            “I’d ask you to argue based on facts”
            So why don’t you do that yourself, Cia?
            Citing an anti-Monsanto, anti-vaccine propaganda web site which contains no data, just disproven allegations, is not arguing with “facts”.

          • Acleron

            Parker is being targeted by Google, amazing.

          • shay simmons

            Hey, now. Just because she’s a tinfoil-hat-wearing, paranoid nutjob doesn’t mean somebody isn’t after her.

          • shay simmons

            I used Duckduckgo as my search engine, as Google has the nasty habit of giving me results that contradict me been corrupted,

            FTFY.

          • FallsAngel

            “Amusingly enough, it is DANGEROUS to get the HPV vaccine if a girl
            is one of the huge number who contracted HPV by a nonsexual vector, and
            it greatly INCREASES her risk of developing precancerous lesions if she
            gets the vaccine”

            If that were true, which it is likely not, as Mike explained, it would hardly be amusing. It’s outrageous that you think cancer is amusing. This is one time where you’ve shot yourself in the foot with your gift for hyperbole.

          • FallsAngel

            Diphtheria would be dangerous, but is no longer present. Breastfed
            babies are at very low risk of meningitis. Polio we’ll worry about if it
            comes back. Etc.

            And why do you think diphtheria is no longer present, cia? It’s because we vaccinate! You’ve been shown (though you’ve ignored it) many times that when the Soviet Union collapsed and vaccination efforts dropped, diphtheria came roaring back.

            Breastfed babies have lower risk for meningitis, but the two kids I know who got Hib meningitis pre-vaccine were both breast fed up to and including their hospitalization.

            “We’ll worry about polio if it comes back”, LOL! It’ll be too late then. If it comes back, it’ll roar through these unvaccinated kids, leaving lots of paralysis in its wake.

            You’re stupid, cia.

          • Acleron

            Subclinical immunity? Is this insufficient immune response to protect against infection?

          • Jack Sprat

            Yeah, no. Do you want to tell that to my wife the cervical cancer survivor?

        • FallsAngel

          So you’re afraid of needles. No surprise, that’s the basics of most anti-vaxism, when it gets right down.

      • MarkPitrone

        Every person that got the measles will never get it again, and without having to ‘boost’ the vaccine every year or 2. They are better off than the vaxxed.

        • Phydeux

          Not every person will survive either.

          1 in 500 will die from measles.
          3 in 50 will have ear infections that can lead to hearing loss.
          3 in 500 will suffer seizures.
          1 in 1000 will contract encephalitis.

          However if you look at the numbers for the MMR vaccine side effects (page 6) in this document, you’ll see the numbers are so much lower as to be negligible.

          Encephalitis risk is 1 in 10^6.
          And seizure risk is down to 1 in 2000.

          So the risks are categorically outweighed by the enormous benefits and peace of mind the vaccines give. Not to mention the herd immunity it gives for those who can’t receive the vaccine.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            What exactly is measles?

            Measles is a short-lived viral infection that begins with a fever that lasts for a couple of days, followed by a cough, runny nose and conjunctivitis (pink eye). A rash starts on the face, hairline and upper neck, spreads down the back and trunk, and extends to the extremities. After about 5 days, the rash fades.

            How dangerous is measles?

            Measles is a mild and harmless disease that leaves a stronger, healthier child in its wake; most adults today who were born before 1965 got measles and have lifelong immunity as a result. Serious problems from measles are very, very rare.

            http://www.activistpost.com/2015/02/whats-really-behind-current-measles.html

            This, by the way, was standard medical policy; measles was just a rite of passage. It changed when the measles vaccine came on the market in the 1960s. Suddenly this mild, beneficial rite of passage became a deadly disease.

            Some MDs still don’t buy the hype. As Jay Gordon, MD, former UCLA Medical Center pediatrician recently said:

            This measles outbreak does not pose a great risk to a healthy child and quite frankly I don’t think it poses any risk to a healthy child

            How deadly is measles compared to the measles shot?

            Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, in an Associated Press interview in 2014 stated that there have been no measles deaths in the US since 2003.+

            However, the CDC’s National Vital Statistics Reports show 2 deaths associated with measles for 2009 and 2015.

            Now let’s look at this measles vaccine

            Another government reporting agency, The National Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), reports 108 children died from the measles vaccine during a ten year period. But that may be a fraction of the real number because MDs often do not report vaccine injuries.

            Death certificates, usually filled out by MDs, very rarely mention vaccination as the cause of death. They may write encephalitis or brain inflammation rather than vaccination even though vaccines can cause brain inflammation) on the death certificate. We don’t know the real number of vaccine injuries and deaths. But they are most likely much greater than what VAERS reports due to underreporting.

            “Pediatricians continue to defend vaccination to the death. The question parents should be asking is, ‘Whose death?’” Robert Mendelsohn, MD

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f0b58ab1a3104833265d0d3de590b6bdf7608b7beb848875904554f7ef71a5f0.jpg

          • FallsAngel

            Lie.
            2004-2015 measles deaths:
            8, plus 20 SSPE deaths.

            Deaths due to measles vaccines: None verified. 108 reports to VAERS, which does not establish causation.

          • Tia Severino

            Ok, so above I posted the real stats on relative risk. 8 deaths over 11 years, you failed to provide a source for so I doubt the information is reliable, BUT …
            Wow. 8 deaths over 11 years!
            With a US population of 300 million that’s an astonishing
            1 in every 37,500,000
            Gosh.
            That’s way scarier than 1 in 36 with autism ….
            I better go get my MMR pronto

          • FallsAngel

            Sorry, left off the link. Here it is: https://www.verywell.com/measles-deaths-2633851

            You have no documentation of 1 in 36 with autism, and anyway, vaccines, MMR or otherwise, don’t cause autism.

            I suggest you take an epidemiology course to understand how numbers work, too.

            You did not address that there are no deaths scientifically attributed to the MMR vaccine.

          • Tia Severino

            Yeah that data came from your buddies at the CDC. 1 in 36 children between the ages of 8 and 12 – 1 in 27 boys.
            Maybe you should take it up with them?

          • FallsAngel

            Maybe you could post a link.

          • JoeFarmer

            Provide a citation or it just gets chalked up as another of your lies.

          • Tia Severino

            And since VEARS is the ONLY reporting system for adverse events, we have to rely on that information. During the same 2004-2015 period during which you claim 8 deaths due to measles, there were 70 deaths reported to VAERS. That’s almost 10x the deaths due to measles.
            Interestingly, our own HHS has said that less than 1% of actual adverse events are even reported … so that 70 could really be 7000.
            By the way, you didn’t provide any actual data on those 8 deaths. They likely had other health complications which weakened their ability to fight the infection, which is typically mild and used to be considered a rite of passage through childhood.
            Just ask your grandma. She’s upstairs cooking you dinner right now anyway, alive and kicking despite measles mumps chicken pox and gasp! the flu …

          • Brian

            Lots of false information in this post.

            For example:
            1) VAERS isn’t the only reporting system. There’s also VSD and systems set up by other countries.
            2) VAERS reports don’t mean “caused by”. It says so on the very first page.
            3) Adverse events are under reported for MILD events. Serious events are overreported.
            4) Grandmas who died of measles as children don’t exist, so they don’t have grandchildren to tell you how great measles is.

          • joe

            Just a heads up Tia, I am a grandfather. So tell me Tia, if we stopped vaccination for measles, how many would die every year from measles?

          • Brian

            Deaths from measles is so rare because measles is so rare, and measles is so rare because sensible people vaccinate.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake
          • Mary S

            Doctors are unwilling to report incidences. And when they have, in some cases they have had their licenses revoked. They are too busy with short quick medical visits and have to believe what the detail people tell them. There is no reporting system for doctors to report that can be taken seriously… We need reporting and follow up… this country does it so much better for automobile ownership. They investigate the reports that car owners make… No one is adequately investigating pharma damages.
            TIME to correct this. The CDC is failing in the area of pharmaceuticals.

          • Proponent

            Bare assertion fallacy:

            “This fallacy is often accompanied by a phrase such as “Trust me.” It might be considered a self-referential appeal to authority. A more rigorous and constrained discussion might allow you to ask “What is your evidence for that claim?” However, when bare assertions are constantly thrown out as red herrings, it may be best to abandon any hope of real dialogue.”

            … …

            And on the note of the latter point above.. have a blessed day, Mary S. 🙂

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Evidence required. And what about every other country in the world?

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            Wrong. According to CDC Wonder database, there have been zero deaths from MMR in last ten years and 49 deaths from measles and SSPE. VAERS is not valid data. CDC Wonder is.

          • Alber Arunee

            The CDC is well known to hide true data and to promote fake data. CDC = Centers for Deception and Corruption. Anyone who trusts the CDC is in my opinion feeble-minded. Same goes for the FDA and the WHO which are all corrupt and evil.

            Erwin Alber

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            No, the CDC has hidden no data nor faked any data. I know it is hard for you but not everything is a conspiracy.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            What about every other country in the world?

          • Tia Severino

            Pssst!
            CDC wonder is the online database search system FOR looking up VAERS data.
            They’re not separate.
            VAERS is the Reporting System.
            CDC wonder is the Search engine.

          • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

            Pssst, you can use CDC wonder to search raw VAERS data or verified mortality reports. I use it for the latter. CDC Wonder has more data than just VAERS data.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e335a89b8e978e3b2f2cecfca91292eb67435e7583c6341a51fb61ae5b19861.png

          • Proponent
          • Ron Roy

            I think it’s time for you to retire from commenting on vaccines. I know you don’t realize it but your suffering from Alzheimers do to your having been injected with to many vaccines.

          • Mary S

            grow up, such childish posts

          • Proponent

            Learn something, such foolish and uninformed posts.

          • Mary S

            Please site where this data comes from so readers here can view and evaluate ourselves. ? Page 6 of what document.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            The CDC. The US Center for Disease Control, referenced right there on the picture in case you don’t know what agency that is.

          • Alber Arunee

            Actually, CDC stands for Centers for Deception and Corruption, or Centers for Disease Creation and Proliferation.

            Erwin Alber

          • FallsAngel

            The black helicopters are near.

          • JoeFarmer

            Not clever. At all.

          • Mary S

            I hope you realize Elizabeth was just trying to point me to where I could locate the data in case I did not know. Sadly I think she and I both agree with your definition but we need to find a way to change that definition. Somehow we need to get the CDC back to working ONLY for the good of the citizens it was supposed to serve. This problem of vaccinations without testing, over vaccination, too early vaccination etc. need to be corrected and quickly and multiple generations are being permanently damaged.

          • Alber Arunee

            What a load of BS. There ARE high death rates in malnourished African children but not in developed countries. There have been no measles deaths in the US over the past ten years, but over 108 MMR-vaccine-related deaths – proof that vaccines cause far more harm including deaths than the diseases the vaccines are claimed to prevent.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • FallsAngel

            Bull puckey.
            “According to national public health authorities, measles has caused 43
            deaths in EU countries in 2016 and 2017. In 2016, 12 deaths occurred in
            Romania and one in the UK. In 2017, 30 deaths were reported from Romania
            (22), Italy (3), Bulgaria (1), Germany (1), Portugal (1), France (1)
            and Spain (1).”
            https://ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/epidemiological-update-measles-monitoring-european-outbreaks-15-september-2017

          • Mary S

            The link provided is broken. wondering.

          • FallsAngel
          • Mary S

            I did try it later, before I read this…Bullsh*t. really . Been enlightening.

          • FallsAngel

            You think people’s deaths are bull****?

          • Mary S

            You are overly defensive… I simply noted is did not work and it did not at the time I first tried it.

          • JoeFarmer

            Wondering what is wrong with your computer?

            The link works just fine.

            I think you are suffering an ID10T error.

          • Jeroen Deva Geetesh

            – My nephew ended up 10 days in coma after vaccination.
            – My daughter’s best friend got a seizure after vaccination and since then has serious speech delay (the kind that was extremely rare when I was a child and children got only a fraction of the amount of vaccines they get now).
            – My father used to get the flu vaccine every year. He then had the flu at least once every year. Since he stopped taking the flu vaccine 4 years ago he never had the flu again.

            If vaccination gives you peace of mind you are very badly informed.

            As for measles. Do you know why people die from measles?

            1. When I was a child measles was common and nobody made a fuss about it. You would not go to a doctor if you had measles because it would just get better by taking rest.
            However today with the scare tactics of the medical establishment people have come to believe that measles is a dangerous disease for a healthy child. So they go to the doctor. And often enough the doctor – in his ignorance, but they cannot help it – prescribes paracetamol or some other medicine to reduce the fever. And this is exactly when measles becomes dangerous because it is the (high) fever that kills the virus.

            2. Low vitamine C and A. All you need to do to ensure that measles does not lead to complications is ensure the child get sufficient vitamine A and C. A healthy child will have that and hence for him or her measles is a harmless disease that helps the development of the immune system and creates lifelong immunity against the disease.

            I would not worry a second if my daughter got the measles. I would if she would have received the MMR vaccine, also because ‘side effects’ such as speech delay, auto immune diseases, autism and many other vaccine induced illnesses can develop long after the vaccine is given.

          • Brian

            Please stop lying.

            No, vitamin C and A will not prevent complications from the measles. It caused permanent blindness, deafness, and brain damage in thousands of otherwise healthy and well-nourished people in the pre-vaccine era.

            And no, the vaccine doesn’t cause any of the ‘side effects’ you mention.

            Why do anti-vaxxers lie so much?

          • Jeroen Deva Geetesh

            Keep believing the government and pharmaceutical vopanies. The can’t possibly lie, can they?

            The problem is that the statistics about measles side effects do never include the health status of the children. So your claim that these were ‘perfeclty healthy’ cannot be proven. Actually, also before the MMR vaccine where there other vaccines (such as DTP) that damaged the immune system. A perfectly healthy child is a child whose health has not been compromised in any way.

            If vaccines are so good,….
            1. why then has the USA the highest infant mortality in the western world (6.5 per 1000 life births) and the highest amount of vaccines in the official schedule? While countries that give three times less vaccines to their children (Japan, Norway) have child mortality of below 3?
            If vaccines would save lifes the opposite should be the case.

            2. then why are vaccines the ONLY pharmaceutical product for which you cannot sue the company who made it in the case of death or other side effects? The reality is that the costs of these claims got so high that they had to remove the liablity for pharmaceutical companies.

            As for the side effects: I have read the scientific studies proving it, but I am not going to bother posting this as you are clearly not interested. If you want to believe the insane belief that vaccines are safe while vaccinated children are getting sicker and sicker as the vaccine schedule keeps growing: Be my guest.

          • Brian

            If you have to lie to defend your position, then perhaps you should change your position.

            Lie #1 “statistics about measles side effects do never include the health status of the children.”
            Sometimes they do.

            Lie #2 “A perfectly healthy child is a child whose health has not been compromised in any way.”
            Such doesn’t exist. A child is exposed to thousands of antigens during childbirth.

            Lie #3 “why then has the USA the highest infant mortality in the western world (6.5 per 1000 life births) and the highest amount of vaccines in the official schedule?”
            This isn’t true. Most developed countries have nearly identical vaccination schedules as the USA and many countries have far worse IMRs.

            Lie #4 “While countries that give three times less vaccines to their children (Japan, Norway) have child mortality of below 3?”
            Nope. Japan has a nearly identical vaccine schedule as the USA. Norway has slightly fewer, in part because of Norway’s location and demographics.
            https://www.jpeds.or.jp/uploads/files/JPS%20Vaccine%20Schedule%2020170115%20ENGLISH.pdf

            Lie #5 “then why are vaccines the ONLY pharmaceutical product for which you cannot sue the company who made it in the case of death or other side effects?”
            You can sue. Haven’t you read the NVICP law?

            Lie #6
            “I have read the scientific studies proving it”
            Obviously not, considering you get the basics all wrong.

          • FallsAngel

            1. Untrue. The US IMR is 5.8 per 1000 births. The US IMR is steadily dropping. One reason the US’ IMR is higher is because the US counts as “live births” all births where the infant shows signs of life regardless of weight or gestational age. That is not true in every country.
            No first world country is give 1/3 the vaccines of the US. See this for Norway’s schedule: https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/
            8 vaccines by age 1; BCG for special populations, a vaccine NEVER used in the US
            Japan: https://www.jpeds.or.jp/modules/en/index.php?content_id=7
            8 vaccines plus 1 voluntary (rotavirus), the 8 include BCG, again, not used in the US.
            US: 9 vaccines including flu:
            https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

            2. Ever heard of NVICP? Before NVICP, one had to sue the manufacturer if one’s child was believed to be injured; it cost an incredible amount of money, the plaintiffs usually lost. NVICP has an expedited process and if you’re not happy with their decision then you can sue.
            https://violentmetaphors.com/2013/11/22/why-anti-vaxers-hate-the-nvicp-and-just-what-is-it-anyway-by-colin-mcroberts/

          • Mary S

            I wish we could get the young mothers of America to read and analyze more of this before they blindly follow the physicians schedules.. I hope you like me are not totally against vaccinations but seeking a balance and real science before subjecting our children to false meds with schedules that have never been tested by any science… thank you for your many well informed comments.

          • Brian

            If you believe that liars are well informed, you’re likely to end up misinformed.

          • joe

            You can not attribute infant mortality rates to vaccination, otherwise please provide a link.

          • Jeroen Deva Geetesh

            You can check yourself. The US has the highest amount of vaccinations of the rich countries and the highest rate of infant mortality.

            Here is the scientific research to back that up. As most people that like to believe that vaccines are overall beneficial tend to not study the topic – really read the studies – I put a few quotes below as well.

            “Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of 0.70 (p < 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants.These findings demonstrate a counter-intuitive relationship: nations that require more vaccine doses tend to have higher infant mortality rates."

            "Prior to contemporary vaccination programs, ‘Crib death’ was so infrequent that it was not mentioned in infant mortality statistics. In the United States, national immunization campaigns were initiated in the 1960s when several new vaccines were introduced and actively recommended. For the first time in history, most US infants were required to receive several doses of DPT, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines.14 Shortly thereafter, in 1969, medical certifiers presented a new medical term—sudden infant death syndrome.15,16 In 1973, the National Center for Health Statistics added a new cause-of-death category—for SIDS—to the ICD."

            I have indeed never heard of an unvaccinated child dying from SIDS. Research has shown that children the, in the night when sleeping, after being vaccinated often have long times that they do not breath. If the time is too long – and even more if the child is on his or her belly – SIDS can occur.

            So yes, vaccination clearly seems to lead to a greater chance of death. That is not strange if you realise that vaccines damage the immune system, prevent illnesses that are important for the development of the immune system and contain different toxins that can lead to a range of (sometimes fatal) health problems. My nephew ended up 10 days in coma after vaccination.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

          • joe

            I am sorry but you provided this link to another poster and you were shot down, after all it is only an abstract.

          • Mary S

            Why try so hard. I read through the link: Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?” before I saw your I post. Seems I reposted it somewhere else myself. Guess I’m Shot down!.to these guys professional abstracts never have any science.
            This little team of B*****s… do not care how many scientific links you provided they will never hear anything but their own voices. They post their so-called facts with little or not references and except readers to believe they are authorities while patting each others backs. familiar.
            They look in mirror with their eyes closed and tell themselves they are amazing. Then go hit the playground to see who else they can intimidate.
            Not worthy all this effort to write to the deaf minds. We are in the wrong venue for intelligent exchange.
            Although I admit I have learned a lot by fact checking their arguments so the effort has had value.

          • joe

            Maybe because they get “paid”

          • FallsAngel

            Heh!

          • FallsAngel

            the kind that was extremely rare when I was a child and children got only a fraction of the amount of vaccines they get now).

            Rare? Are you serious? Lots of kids with speech problems when I was a kid back in the 50s.

            Low vitamine C and A. All you need to do to ensure that measles does not
            lead to complications is ensure the child get sufficient vitamine A and
            C.

            Vitamin A is helpful in preventing mortality from measles in kids that are deficient.

            You should worry a lot if your daughter gets measles, which I hope never happens. She could lose her: hearing, vision, intellectual capacity, life either right away or years later from SSPE.

          • joe

            You do know that before the measles vaccine was available between four to five hundred died per year from it and that was just in the U.S.A. It never ceases to amaze me that people still think measles is “not” harmful.

          • Mike Stevens

            Measles:
            Causes encephalitis in 1:1000 cases.
            Pneumonia in 5% cases.
            Death in 1:2000 cases.

            MMR vaccine causes:
            Encephalitis in less than one in a million vaccine shots.

            And you’d prefer your daughter to get measles?
            For both your sakes I hope she doesn’t.
            You remind me of those antivaxers who’d rather their daughters got cervical cancer than got an HPV vaccine.

          • Mary S

            I previously thought some of your comments showed something other than propaganda for the pharmaceutical industry… but this last comment abut HPV.. shows what a fool you really are. Does far more harm than it could EVER prevent.. biggest bull sh** lies put on our youth ever.. If the law had not been placed that pharmaceutical can not be sued this one would have bankrupted them.

          • joe

            You do know that Mike Stevens is a REAL doctor? The fact that he takes time out to even come to these forums is something that we should all grateful for. tell me, do you call your doctor a fool? speaking of fools, have you looked in a mirror lately?

          • Mike Stevens

            So I take it you are one of those who would prefer your daughter got cervical cancer than got an HPV vaccine.

            Sigh….

          • Ron Roy

            ” Peter Duesberg, professor of
            molecular biology at Berkeley, California, explains scientific studies that
            found cervical cancers are not actually caused by the HPV virus. Fragments of
            HPV may be present in the cancers but, he says, “these are fossils of the HPV.”
            Is there a causal relationship between HPV and cervical cancer? “Absolutely not
            … it’s dead … it’s a fragment of virus, it cannot make RNA, cannot make
            proteins, it cannot be found in the tumour or tumour cells.
            Nowhere.”

            In part two of the
            series, Pain and Suffering shows how adverse effects can be
            fundamentally life changing, including severe neurological conditions. The film
            introduces two young women who suffered exactly such conditions shortly after
            receiving HPV vaccine treatments. Ruby Shalom, now 16, became almost entirely
            paralysed as a young teen after receiving her first HPV vaccine injection
            and Chloe Leanne Brooks became ill after her second injection at the age of 12:
            she too has suffered a form of paralysis and her condition has deteriorated to
            the point where, unable to eat, she is now wholly dependent on intravenous
            fluids, medications and her mother’s care.”

          • AutismDadd

            Poor Child HEART BREAKING

          • FallsAngel

            I was actually on a message board where someone said that. I can’t even.

          • Proponent

            Mary S: “If the law had not been placed that pharmaceutical can not be sued this one would have bankrupted them.”

            Incorrect..

            “Rule 12. Election

            (a) In General. Within 90 days after the entry of judgment under Vaccine Rule 11, petitioner must file with the clerk an election either:
            ……. (1) to accept the judgment; or
            ……. (2) to file a civil action for damages for the alleged injury or death.”

            … …

            And now that you know your are wrong, Mary S.. will you correct/edit your comment/post?

          • joe

            Don’t hold your breath Pro, don’t you know. Anti-vaxxers are NEVER wrong.

          • Mary S

            Like to see your citation to back this copy paste. It is unclear if it explains or responds to the statement I made.
            “Rule 12. Election
            (a) In General. Within 90 days after the entry of judgment under Vaccine Rule 11, petitioner must file with the clerk an election either:
            ……. (1) to accept the judgment; or
            ……. (2) to file a civil action for damages for the alleged injury or death.”

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Click on the blue ‘Incorrect’.

          • AutismDadd

            You have the manual well memorized

          • Tia Severino

            Hahaha. These trolls must be paid well to spend so much time on these threads …

          • Brian

            How do I get paid for debunking your nonsense?

            That sounds like easy money.

          • LuvMuppet

            You’re tied for most posts in this thread. How much are you being paid?

          • Tia Severino

            The Disneyland measles outbreak effected about 150 people. More than half were vaccinated.
            NO ONE DIED.
            US population is around 300 million. That puts the risk of contracting measles (based only on this one outbreak, the largest in years) at 0.000003% of the population.
            Statistically speaking, that’s ZERO.
            You can take your stats listed above (based on 3rd world BTW) and extrapolate out what the risk of serious complications would be HERE in the US where we know how to treat measles, and you have some minute fraction of 0.000003% which is still ZERO.
            Take your fear mongering bullshit somewhere else.

          • Brian

            Lots of false information in this post.

            For example:
            1) Most of the measles cases from the Disneyland outbreak (about 78%) were unvaccinated.
            2) No one died yet, and hopefully no one will. Considering SSPE, it’s too early to tell.
            3) It’s not the largest recent outbreak. That honor goes to the mostly unvaccinated Amish community in Ohio in 2014.
            4) You’re math is off. Your percentages need to be 16x higher. Maybe you need a new calculator.
            5) Here in the U.S., we don’t really treat measles, because there’s no cure. We manage symptoms and hope no complications arise. Some are unavoidable. That’s why vaccination is so important.

          • Mary S

            I do not know which of you has the more correct numerical data but no matter. The problem is that the vaccination industry blackmailed our law makers a are now fully protected against liability for the products they push. Greed has overtaken judgment. Too many Vaccines are poorly tested, poorly created on substances (chicken egg, monkey, etc, ) that are spreading other pathogens within the formulas. AND real statistics of the damage are being ignored…

          • Brian

            As a recommendation, you should learn the facts and accurate information before making judgments.

            Yes, the companies have liability. Yes, vaccines are extensively tested. No, the real statistics are not being ignored.

            If you want me to elaborate on any of these topics, feel free to ask.

          • Phydeux

            As I said in another thread, most people don’t get boosters for MMR, that’s why so many previously vaccinated people got sick. Their immunization had worn off.

            The fact that most people don’t get boosters is WHY it’s so important that everyone gets vaccinated. It’s like washing the mud off before you get into the pool. It only takes one person getting in with muddy feet to ruin it for everyone. This is why immigrants are required to be vaccinated, so they’re not bringing in diseases from other parts of the world.

            The reason we don’t generally do boosters for MMR is because nearly everyone is vaccinated, and it hurts like heck. I had to get an MMR booster when I took a job at a children’s hospital and it burned like crazy for a couple hours afterwards. Most people don’t want to put up with that. And since most everyone is vaccinated, they don’t have to.

            But then someone decides to go to DisneyWorld with “dirty feet” and people started coming out of the pool muddy.

          • Mary S

            So so sadly full of false information.

          • Phydeux

            That’s it, make a declaratory statement without any reasoning to back it up.

          • Mary S

            Phydeaux, “”That’s it, make a declaratory statement without any reasoning to back it up.”
            -yea,, pretty much like most of your posts… Hard to resist a moment of following your mentorship.. opps that would be making silly graphics and calling people names.

          • Ron Roy

            “Vaccinating against measles is not just useless, but harmful. In
            the past, infants would not get measles. They would get the protection through their
            mothers, who used to have measles themselves. Mothers who were vaccinated against measles
            cannot pass on the protection to their infants, so infants now get measles.”–Dr Buchwald MD

          • shay simmons

            Before vaccines, no infant ever got the measles? Schure.

          • FallsAngel

            Bullsh*t RR! Infants born of mothers who had “natural measles” have antibodies to measles for about 5 months, those of vaccinated moms have antibodies for about 3 months.

            It’s a complete, biologically implausible lie that vaccinated moms can’t pass on antibodies to their infants.
            http://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c1626

          • Mike Stevens

            Was Dr Buchwald one of Mengele’s cronies?

          • Ron Roy

            No Mengele’s cronies were actually brought to the US where they found employment with the CIA: In aftermath of World War II, CIA recruited scientists of Nazi Germany
            to help develop psychedelic, mind-controlling drugs to be used in battle
            against Soviets. https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4487338,00.html

          • Mike Stevens

            ” In aftermath of World War II, CIA recruited scientists of Nazi Germany
            to help develop psychedelic, mind-controlling drugs to be used in battle
            against Soviets.”

            But I gather they used them on you, Ron, and not on the Soviets.

          • Ron Roy

            No wrong again Mickey they used them on people ( and I use the term loosely )like you.

          • shay simmons

            They couldn’t have been in much of a hurry — the CIA wasn’t established until 1947.

            Unless of course your source has confused the CIA with the CIG and the OSS. Basic fact-checking fail.

            “Like all government agencies, the CIA was not created overnight and functioning at full capacity the following morning. In fact, there were various renditions of an intelligence agency for 6 years prior to the formal establishment of the Central Intelligence Agency. At the beginning of World War II America’s first peacetime, non-departmental intelligence organization was created. That organization moved and morphed and changed names and ownership, was dissected and dismantled before President Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947 creating a permanent Central Intelligence Agency.”

            https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/history-of-the-cia

          • Ron Roy

            OMG shady making a mountain out of a molehill. I’m shocked I tell you chocked! Of course they went to work for the OSS before the CIA was formed. So what? The fact is the government protected criminals when it suited their purpose. Wow you are a government shill.

          • shay simmons

            OMG, Ron doubling down on the fact that his source didn’t bother to fact-check.

          • shay simmons

            Dr Buchwald (who was born in 1920 and should have known better) was a vocal anti-smallpox vaccine activist.

          • Ron Roy
          • shay simmons

            Because there are still people who ignore Churchill’s warning, Ron.

          • bubbiesbub

            Look at this guy? Would you believe him? He’s a mess!

        • FallsAngel

          After two doses of measles vaccine, no further boosters are needed. Most people get lifetime immunity, without getting pneumonia, hearing loss, vision loss, loss of mental capacity due to encephalitis, or death from either measles itself or SSPE, a universally fatal condition that can happen years after measles.

          • AutismDadd

            The parrot has landed

      • deniseldthomas

        Polio was eradicated by sewer and hygiene. That ‘fact’ is their scare tactic, but the facts speak otherwise. It was on it’s way out long before the vaccine was created. Today the polio vaccine (graciously given by the US to India) is Causing polio symptoms in many thousands of children. They call it vaccine induced polio. Look it up.

        • Phydeux

          WTF? We had modern plumbing and hygiene before the polio vaccine was introduced in 1952. And as you see by the graphic, that’s EXACTLY when the incidence falls off dramatically, and keeps heading down.

          So no, you don’t get to ascribe the conquest of all the nearly eradicated diseases to hygiene alone. Sure, it helps slow the spread, but vaccines were what put the nails in the coffin.

          • Alber Arunee

            I used to be a brainwashed idiot as well until I found out that vaccination is a dangerous fraud and that vaccines did not contribute to the remarkable decline in infectious disease mortality rates over the past century.

            http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/Vaccines.html

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

        • Mark Bell

          Polio has been eradicated in India in the last few years. What informs your belief that India has good sewers and hygiene? It does not.

          And for the bonus round: what eradicated smallpox? My labcoat people. The ones practicing evidence-based medicine.

      • Mary S

        Phydeux: see if this simple visual chart helps… look up yourself… type a search for Polio diagnosis criteria before 1955 – Just as the vaccine was introduced the basic criteria was changed moving most cases into another disease category. Statistics corrected or manipulated?
        https://image.slidesharecdn.com/theunknownfactsofpolio-150615184210-lva1-app6891/95/the-unknown-facts-of-polio-7-638.jpg?cb=1434394244

        • Mary S

          The criteria was changed in 1961 Here is another simple visual of the data involved.. Growing up I had two classmates diagnosed with polio.. I remember that at least one, Susie had been vaccinated with the sugar cube along with me at our local city hall in Van Nuys California. So, clearly not a wonderful as claimed.. not sure it is a bad as claimed either but data can be altered to suite the needs of the business of selling vaccinations.

          https://image.slidesharecdn.com/theunknownfactsofpolio-150615184210-lva1-app6891/95/the-unknown-facts-of-polio-6-638.jpg?cb=1434394244

          • Mark Bell

            None of my people claim that a vaccine is 100% effective. This very fact is why you want to get enough people immunized so the disease cannot get a foothold.

            Worked with smallpox.

          • Mary S

            I think you know none of this conversation is meant to be about the polio or small pox vaccine despite its’ inherit problems. Poster Phydeux keeps bringing it into the conversation as a side tracker of what is happening today to our babies with excessive over vaccination for problems that many are better left to our nature immune systems to grow from. We need clean immunization methods not vaccinations that provide short terms immunity with excessive negative side effect damages. AND making these MANDATORY… is really a big issue.

          • Alber Arunee

            Making vaccines safe is impossible and would defeat their purpose, which is to promote chronic sickness and ill-health to provide the medical-pharmaceutical mafia with a never-ending source of profits. What we now have is a vaccine-holocaust and the criminals who profit from this racket are happy. Sacrificing children’s health and lives to satisfy their greed is not a problem for them.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fcc58d6314631c1c20f32bd3b65c41f657085459b26272aac48e5909f725c698.jpg

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake
          • Alber Arunee

            Smallpox was NOT eradicated as a result of vaccination. The vaccine was invented in 1796 and smallpox was declared “eradicated” in 1980, so it took 184 years to “eradicate”? Give me a break! Smallpox declined of its own accord as living conditions improved and mass vaccination programmes were replaced with strict quarantine and disinfection measures. Jenner’s vaccine was made from cowpox material, so it couldn’t protect against smallpox, and didn’t.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

          • Mark Bell

            Jenner noticed that milkmaids did not get smallpox when everyone else did. He wondered if it could be because they had been infected with a mild case of cowpox earlier. He intentionally gave cowpox to some people and sure enough, they did not get smallpox later.

            For the folks who harbor the belief that sanitation and hygiene eliminated the disease, I invite you for a tour of rural India. It ain’t hygienic. Yet that nation vaccinated everyone and eliminated polio in their borders.

            For me, all this anti-vax stuff is sad to see. But some good may come of it. I am a middle school science teacher. I will use your postings, along with my replies, in my science class and try to explain how people come to these beliefs.

          • Phydeux

            The second graphic is only based on L.A. figures, not the rest of the country. Is it possible polio was over-reported? Certainly. But that doesn’t lessen the need to immunize against it.

            Similarly, better driver education and habits help cut down traffic accidents, but seatbelts are still a wise precaution against the unexpected deer in the headlights.

            And while it’s a shame a couple of your classmates contracted polio, the sugar cube (OPV) form wasn’t the most effective. That’s why babies today get IPV injections. And as Mark Bell below correctly states, no vaccine (or anything else for that matter) is 100% effective. It’s a messy world, and there are no guarantees except dying eventually. But the exceedingly rare outlier should not be cause to stop vaccinating. That’s the same as throwing out the baby with the bath water.

          • Alber Arunee

            If vaccinations are so great, why do even some doctors denounce it as a fraud? And if doctors can’t agree whether vaccination is of benefit or not, why should parents believe what doctors say?

            “When in doubt, throw it out!”

            Yes, the baby with the bath water. As far as I am concerned, vaccines are so noxious that they should not ever be injected int a living organism.

            Erwin Alber
            Vaccination Information Network

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09a9fe60f8e43792735dbe0b1d0f7e5609a097adbc40a21e71034640c6f81717.jpg

          • Mike Stevens

            “If vaccinations are so great, why do even some doctors denounce it as a fraud?”

            …these will be the doctors making money out of alternatives to vaccines.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5e009f0df9194857a25353a748dd6bd5dc94ad4d1e48a1f6f3c1e5e847fb1eb2.jpg

        • Proponent
      • Elizabeth A Haywood

        The US has been Polio free since 1979 – except for cases resulting from the vaccine. WHO certified the Western Hemisphere Polio-free sine 1994, after no cases were reported since 1991. Surgeon General David Satcher, MD MMWR 1994; 43:720-2 (so why are we giving our kids 5 doses of Polio vaccine?)

        On National Vaccination Day about 430,000,000 people are vaccinated worldwide and it is reported tat 1 case per million vaccinated contracts Polio from the vaccine. The country with the highest incidence of Polio is Nigeria, with 178 cases reported as of 2003 and they now refuse the vaccine. Why? Because that number is insignificant compared to the number of people dying of malnutrition, dirty water, and lack of housing. They said that if people want to bring in $$$$, bring it to help their needs like clean water and food, etc. (Not for a disease that 98% of people recover from in 10-14 days)

        What about safety? What’s the harm in just getting the vaccine “in case”?
        Here are the ingredients we give to American children in IPV: 2-phenoxyethanol, formaldehyde, neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B, monkey kidney cells, Eagle MEM modified medium, calf serum protein, Medium 199

        “The most common contaminant virus found in bovine serum is a member of the pestivirus family called bovine diarrhea virus (BVDV). All commercially available bovine (cow) serum is thought to be contaminated with this virus. Vaccines grown on contaminated cells may, in turn, have viral contaminants in the final product. The animal viruses can combine with viruses in the vaccine and become an active, unique disease.” REF:J Infect Dis. 1996 Dec;174(6): 1324-7. Contamination of commercially available fetal bovine sera with bovine diarrhea virus genomes: implications for the hepatitis V virus in cell cultures. (Via Saying No To Vaccines, by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny)

        Besides the fact that we all know formaldehyde is a carcinogen (cancer-causing agent), the original vaccine contained SV40 monkey virus linked to cancer. We could dissect the other ingredients on the list, but we’ll just move on. Would I risk cancer which now is at an astonishing rate of 1/2.5 people over a disease that is not around and for which 98% of people recover in 14 days? NO! How many cancer patients recover in 10-14 days? NONE!

        http://www.alabasterliving.com/blog/what-about-polio

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/65d843fca9cd8dc818a62048e608dcb5206a6def79a350c6c057ccf4d2276515.jpg

        • Mike Stevens

          Number of paralytic polio cases per year prevaccine: 16,000
          Number of polio deaths per year prevaccine: 2000

          Number of vaccine-associated paralytic polio cases per year postvaccine: 0-8

          IQ of the morons who think its a good idea to stop vaccination against polio: Zero.

      • Elizabeth A Haywood

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a34c72c5901f6b913feb4dbcb8a9d2920235cee634106911b0039f62cd03e0db.jpg Remember that time you were exposed to excessive amounts of the pesticides lead arsenate and then DDT, and you were told you were paralyzed because you had polio?

        Me neither, because lead arsenate was banned in the 40’s and DDT was banned in the 50’s.
        Polio is a benign and harmless virus in the ABSENCE of toxic neurochemicals. Synergy is a bitch.

        http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/09/the-age-of-polio-how-an-old-virus-and-new-toxins-triggered-a-man-made-epidemic-1.html

      • Jeanie Keltner

        oh please, PHydeux. Read more. The outbreak was a few hundred in this huge country, most of whom had been vaccinated against measles.

        • Phydeux

          A few hundred that could have been many thousands more had people not woken up to the stupidity of the anti-vaxxer movement Even celebrity anti-vaxxers saw what was going on and had their kids immunized.

          It’s just like people who ride around without a seatbelt. The first time they pass an accident where someone’s sticking out of a windshield, they buckle up!

          • Alber Arunee

            I know of a girl who was ejected from the car she was in because she was not wearing a seat belt. The other three occupants of the car who were wearing seat belts were burned to death when the car burst into flames after it had crashed. The girl was fine apart from a few minor cuts and bruises and having to pay a fine for not wearing a seat belt.

            Erwin Alber

          • Mike Stevens

            What’s your point, Erwin?
            I take it you never wear a seatbelt, then?

        • Mike Stevens

          Antivaxer: “Oh No! Vaccines don’t work! Half of the 100 people with measles in the USA had previously had vaccine!”

          Person with a brain: “Vaccines work! Only 100 people caught measles in the country, but if no-one was vaccinated 10 million would have caught measles!”

      • https://www.fanfiction.net/u/3152765/Alexandra-Irene-Spears Alexandra1973

        Right, that’s how come Jonas Salk ADMITTED 40 years ago that the polio vaccine was RESPONSIBLE for the outbreaks.

        BTW, polio is still around, just under different names, like fibromyalgia.

        • FallsAngel

          No, that’s not what Salk said. In fact, no one seems to be able to produce the quote.

          There is a rare side effect of oral polio vaccine called VAPP, Vaccine Associated Paralytic Polio, usually occurring in contacts of vaccinated people who did not wash their hands after changing diapers.

          After polio was eradicated from the US with the last wild cases in 1979, there were an average of 7 cases of VAPP/year. That’s out of about 15 million doses given, about 1 in every 2 million doses. In 1999, the US switched to the inactivated (injectable) polio vaccine d/t there being no risk for wild disease and this small risk of VAPP.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Technically, it is, FA. Of course, Alexandra is quote-mining it.

            There was a point in U.S. history where there was no wild polio cases in the U.S.A because of the vaccine and this is what either Salk or Sabin (can’t remember off-hand) pointed out when recommending the switch to IPV.

          • FallsAngel

            It was Salk. Quote-mining, yes. Salk is the one who developed the IPV. Sabin developed OPV. It’s important to know, too, that Salk and Sabin were bitter rivals. One would wonder why two men who were both in the same field would act like such fools towards each other, but it was what it was. https://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/polio-salk-sabin-rivalry
            Back on topic, try as I may, I can’t find Salk’s exact words. I can say with 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% certainty that Salk did not say OPV was responsible for any “outbreaks”. There were about 7 cases of VAPP/year.

            Salk testified in 1977. http://roguemedic.com/2008/12/1110-anti-vaccinationists-are-smarter-than-scientists/ At that time, there was still wild polio in the US. The last cases of wild polio in the US happened in 1979, and of course, we didn’t know they were the last ones until some years thereafter. No one was recommending switching from OPV to IPV in 1977, not that I’m aware of anyway, and I was in the thick of it.

        • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

          Show us the full quote in situ then. Cite the court case or whatever.

      • Dave Sebastian

        Big difference in vaccination with a measles shot than making people get a flu shot ,, that 99% of the time does not work , and sometimes gives people deadly reactions. Wake up Phydeux !

        • Alber Arunee

          The measles vaccine doesn’t work either which is why there are measles outbreaks in highly or even in fully vaccinated populations. The scumbags who run the vaccination racket then blame the vaccine failure on unvaccinated children and their parents.

          Erwin Alber
          Vaccination Information Network

      • Alber Arunee

        There is nothing wrong with getting and having measles and other childhood illnesses like mumps, rubella and chickenpox! I and virtually every other child of my generation had them and it wasn’t a problem. On the contrary, we developed strong immune systems and lifelong immunity. I’d rather any child of mine was in bed with measles for a few days than suffer lifelong vaccine-induced autism or some other vaccine-related disorder or disability, o death. In the USA there have been zero measles deaths over the past ten years, but 108 MMR-vaccine-related deaths. One would in my opinion have to be demented to allow anyone to inject oneself or one’s child or children with a vaccine of any kind.

        Erwin Alber
        Vaccination Information Network

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47RUl5xqs_s

      • AutismDadd

        HUGE outbreak? Wasn’t it 22 people?

        • Proponent

          You should be impressed, ADudd.

          That’s 2 more than you have fingers and toes..

      • FACTS

        please realize that the pharma cabal is manipulating people.. the real health crisis is vaccine injuries.. never in history have their been higher rates of vaccination, never been higher numbers of vaccine doeses received.. “too few vaccines” is an absurd lie.. “I have over 13,000 children in my pediatric practice and I have to say, as unpopular as this observation might be, my unvaccinated children are by far the healthiest,” says Dr. Paul Thomas, a Dartmouth-trained pediatrician and addiction specialist who has been practicing medicine for 30 years. “I’ve had a team compiling data for a research study that is now undergoing peer review—some of which is published in my new book, ’The Vaccine-Friendly Plan.’ The data is surprising and counter-intuitive, perhaps, but it shows very clearly that the incidence of chronic disease and brain abnormalities in the entirely unvaccinated children in my practice, even those with siblings with autism, is much much lower than in children following the CDC’s recommended schedule.”……
        “I observed that my unvaccinated children were healthier, hardier and more robust than their vaccinated peers. Allergies, asthma and pallor and behavioral and attentional disturbances were clearly more common in my young patients who were vaccinated. My unvaccinated patients, on the other hand, did not suffer from infectious diseases with any greater frequency or severity than their vaccinated peers: their immune systems generally handled these challenges very well.”–Incao’s Hepatitis B Vaccination Testimony…..
        “The children I have who are unvaccinated are, across the board, healthier;
        and I can just tell you that.” Dr. Cornelia Franz, 30 year pediatrician…..
        “There is virtually no autism, asthma, allergies, respiratory illness, or diabetes in his unvaccinated children, an impressive statistic when compared to national rates.” Dr. Eisenstein and his practice have cared for more than 50,000 children who were minimally or not vaccinated at all. …..
        “I see daily in my practice evidence of vaccine injury and I hear stories almost every day of families that vaccinate children and then decide not to vaccinate and the unvaccinated children within the same family are healthier, more socially adjusted and more capable academically even though their parents are older than the siblings who were born first and were fully vaccinated.” Dr. Kelly Sutton, M.D………..
        “As a concerned, compassionate and considerate paediatrician, I can only arrive at one conclusion. Unvaccinated children have by far the best chance of enjoying marvellous health. Any vaccination at all works to cripple the chances of this end.” The Marvellous Health of Unvaccinated Children by Françoise Berthoud, MD….
        “Doing this for 15 years now, I will share with you that the vaccinated kids are the sickest, the partially vaccinated kids are not as sick, and the unvaccinated kids are the healthiest.” Dr. Bob Zajac is a board-certified pediatrician
        Google translated.
        “The unvaccinated children are healthier.”
        Bologna, October 28, 2015 – “The unvaccinated children are healthier.” To support are not pseudo-healers, magicians or sorcerers. But more than 120 doctors, after weeks of debate and controversy on the subject, they come out with an open letter at the Higher Institute of Health. Link: http://www.quotidiano.net/vaccini-medici-contrari-1.1429559
        Studies, doctor’s testimonies, thousands upon thousands of parents ALL confirm, unvaccinated FAR healthier.. https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2011/08/26/new-survey-shows-unvaccinated-children-vastly-healthier-far-lower-rates-of-chronic-conditions-and-autism/
        http://www.whale.to/a/children1.html

      • Chris Garvey

        Weren’t many of the victims of that outbreak vaccinated? Wasn’t the purpose of their vaccine to confer immunity?

        • Mike Stevens

          Many were vaccinated, true. Fortunately, a huge number of others were also vaccinated, which is why the outbreak was so small.
          If no-one was vaccinated, tens of thousands of people would have got measles.

        • Phydeux

          Since people don’t get MMR boosters throughout their lives, herd immunity is the only way to be 100% immune. The more people around you who are vaccinated, the less likely you are to contract it, just like if everyone washes the mud off their feet before they get into a pool, you’re less likely to get mud in your pool.

          And the reason people don’t get MMR boosters is it’s bloody painful! I took a job at a children’s hospital and had to get an MMR booster because it had been so long since I’d had mine, and it burns for a couple hours after you get the shot.

      • Ron Roy

        The polio epidemic was almost over when the vaccine came out so in order to
        inflate the numbers the medical mafia started calling all diseases that were
        similar as polio. Then after everyone was vaccinated they went back into calling
        those other diseases what they really were to make it look like the vaccine
        worked. That vaccine was contaminated with 40 different microorganism that
        didn’t belong there on of them was Simian Virus40 a cancer causing virus that is
        now part of our genome. Since only 1 or 2% of the people diagnosed with polio
        had any residual paralysis that was a lousy trade off. Eliminating sugars and
        taking a few grams of vitamin C per day is just as effective at preventing
        polio.

        • Mike Stevens

          “Then after everyone was vaccinated they went back into calling
          those other diseases what they really were to make it look like the vaccine worked.”

          So let’s get this straight… before polio vaccination, there were these other viral diseases that caused paralysis in 16,000 people each year….
          Crooked, evil doctors gave vaccine to eradicate them, and….
          …the diseases all went away???

          Sounds like vaccine worked, Ron.
          Unless you can point out where these 16,000 paralysed people each year are finding their iron lung supply, that is.

          • Ron Roy

            They didn’t go away the went back to calling them what they really were after the vaccines campaign. Medical magic. If you would have read what I posted you wouldn’t have had to make yourself look foolish.

          • Mike Stevens

            Yes, but why weren’t all these other viruses causing 16,000 cases of paralysis each year?

            Perhaps you should read what I said…

        • Phydeux

          Vitamin C preventing polio? LOL

          That’s SCURVY that’s prevented by vitamin C!

          But hey, if you can back that claim up with the causal chain of metabolic actions that relate vitamin C to polio resistance, I’ll personally get the Nobel Committee to review your findings.

      • Ana Maria Abba

        That “huge” outbreak mostly included people that were vaccinated. Take the time to actually investigate for yourself what the poisons are and they won’t be in quotes anymore.

      • bwf309

        “eradicated polio in the US” unfortunately polio as it was called prior to 1955 has not been eradicated, it has been renamed in most cases as AFP.

      • Matt Hines

        BS that was not a huge outbreak. It was actually pretty contained considering it took place in Disneyland. It was brought over from those that live in other countries. Many of those that got measles were previously vaccinated and adults. Finally, measles is not a big deal if you don’t live in a third world country. It used to be on the CDC website that you give high dose vitamin A for the measles and it eliminates up to 80% of the symptoms. It was removed shortly after the SB277 campaign ramped up in CA. It works as my daughters contracted it from someone and it was a walk in the park for them. Now their children have life long immunity as well. I ask you this. If high dose vitamin A works so well against the measles (and it did), why was it not mentioned once in mainstream media when they were making a small measles incident out to be a massive outbreak. The cdc knew it. If they actually cared about the people they’d of pumped that out there. It’s a revenue stream.

    • Elizabeth A Haywood

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5b28c020e5efaf117ca63bc0d2e7bdeaea43e7d483450b21a925111184e8a602.jpg

      Polio was caused by spraying children with DDT and contaminating their drinking water with lead arsenate-then they upped the ante by marketing poisoned household products to them. The vaccine had nothing to do with “eradicating” Polio-in fact, EVERY SINGLE CASE OF PARALYTIC POLIO IN THE U.S. HAS BEEN CAUSED BY THE VACCINE IN THE LAST 40 YEARS!!!

      13 Things You Didn’t Know About Polio
      1. In the 1800’s a popular wallpaper called Paris Green was infused with a potent pesticide. Some of the most toxic substances known to man: copper and arsenic or lead and arsenic.
      2. This pesticide worked by causing neurological damage in the bugs, causing organ failure.
      3. Polio consists of symptoms synonymous with neurological damage, causing organ failure.
      4. Heavy metal poisoning from lead, mercury and other similar heavy metals manifest lesions on neurological tissues, meaning the toxin destroys the nerve/communication pathways connecting the brain to the organs in the body.
      5. Polio victims present lesions on neurological tissue, that cause the organs to malfunction all around the body. (lungs, heart, nerves that control walking etc)
      6. Polio outbreaks hit throughout the summer, only during pesticide spraying times. (not the sunless and damp winter/spring seasons like other disease outbreaks)
      7. Polio had NO ability to spread from infected victims to the uninfected. Polio infected clusters of people in the exact same areas, suddenly and swiftly.
      8. Parents report finding their children paralyzed in and around apple orchards. One of the most heavily pesticide sprayed crops of the time (with lead arsenate or copper arsenate) were apple orchards.
      9. President Roosevelt became paralyzed over night while on his farm in the summer, which contained many crops, including apple orchards. He also swam the day prior in a bay that was heavily polluted by industrial agricultural run off.
      10. Dr. Ralph Scobey and Dr. Mortind Biskind testified in front of the U.S Congress in 1951 that the paralysis around the country known as polio was being caused by industrial poisons and that a virus theory was purposely fabricated by the chemical industry and the government to deflect litigation away from both parties.
      11. In 1956 the AMA (The American Medical Association) instructed each licensed medical doctor that they could no longer classify polio as polio, or their license to practice would be terminated. Any paralysis was now to be diagnosed as AFP (acute flaccid paralysis) MS, MD, Bell’s Palsy, cerebral palsy, ALS (Lou Gehrig’s Disease), Guillian-Barre etc etc. This was orchestrated purposely to make the public believe polio was eradicated by the polio vaccine campaign, but because the polio vaccine contained toxic ingredients directly linked to paralysis, polio cases (not identified as polio) were skyrocketing…but only in vaccinated areas.
      12. The first polio vaccine was worked on by Dr. Jonas Salk and human experiments using this vaccine were conducted purposely on orphans in government/church run institutions because they were vulnerable and didn’t require any parental consent signatures, as they had no parents. The vaccine was “declared safe” by “medicine” (as they always are) and that vaccine gave 40,000 orphans polio, permanently paralyzed hundreds and killed at least 10 children. All injuries and deaths under-reported of course by the same authorities who orchestrated the atrocity. This was called The Cutter Incident.
      13. The next “improved” polio vaccine, given to hundreds of millions, carried both the SV 40 cancer virus as well as the AIDS virus. Every step of the way, medicine declaring they know for sure, that this time, they have everything straightened out. Same story then, same story now.
      *For more information check out our Facebook group…
      The Truth Group
      https://www.facebook.com/groups/1802528433369203/

      • FallsAngel

        I seriously doubt this is a picture of the Cutter Incident.

      • Mike Stevens

        No, that isn’t a picture of the Cutter incident, but a picture that was used to publicise the “March of Dimes” in 1953.
        http://www.polioassociation.org/pictures.html

        They gathered together all the iron lungs from the Rancho Los Amigos National Rehabilitation Center in Downey, California USA into a large auditorium, and also had paralysed polio patients on special beds in one corner of the room.

        The Cutter incident took place in 1955, two years later.

        • kfunk937

          And electrical cords are visible in the lower right-hand corner, near the nurse’s feet. So Elizabeth’s not only lying about the source and date, but needs glasses.

          • Mike Stevens

            Indeed.
            You can see how the cabling runs up the rows at the rear of the iron lungs.

          • kfunk937

            Yeah, funny how the contrast on the gif was “accidentally” adjusted to darken/fuzz the floor.

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/foreignpolicyeconomicsforum/ JerseyJeff78

        Holy ignorant…

        • Elizabeth A Haywood
          • Jack Sprat

            You can’t even get that right damn it. “Pharma Shill” is the last resort, and it really isn’t an insult when the source is considered.

          • Elizabeth Alice Haywood

            “There has never been a single vaccine in this country that has ever been submitted to a controlled scientific study.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cfcc122428cfcde583026dceb93d40ff0e55abf0cf1cb95b08f137fff305b9d4.jpg

            They never took a group of 100 people who were candidates for a vaccine, gave 50 of them a vaccine and left the other 50 alone, and measured the outcome. And since that has never been done, that means if you want to be kind, you will call vaccines an unproven remedy. If you want to be accurate, you’ll call the people who give vaccines quacks.”

            -Dr Robert S. Mendelsohn, MD

            Vaccine Damage News
            http://www.vaccinedamage.news/

            http://vaccine-injury.info/

          • Jack Sprat

            Just leave that there; it explains so much. I’m laughing so hard I’m actually crying. OMG

          • Acleron

            Mendelsohn didn’t know much about vaccines. Polio only disappeared in America after the introduction of the vaccine. Well you say, that could be coincidence. Then the same thing happened in the UK, then it happened in France, Germany, Australia and every other country by 2002. This is stretching coincidence too far. Measles is only eliminated after vaccination in many countries and due to the antisocial efforts of antivaxxers we see what happens when vaccines are not used, the diseases return.

          • AutismDadd

            Dr Richard Head has spoken

          • Elizabeth Alice Haywood

            Vaccines Did Not Save Us! Two Centuries of Official Statistics

            Child Health Safety has compiled an excellent report on data the drug industry do not want you to see. Here are two centuries of UK, USA and Australian official death statistics which show conclusively and scientifically that modern medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies.
            The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living conditions also contribute. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9882eb384527d17ea02f725b2697bd44cada30221503ebdf50289cb8320132b4.jpg

            “The questionable contribution of medical measures
            to the decline of mortality in the United States in the
            twentieth century“. McKinlay JB, McKinlay SM, Milbank
            Mem Fund Q Health Soc. 1977 Summer; 55(3): 405-28.

            “Symposium: Accomplishments in Child Nutrition
            during the 20th Century. Infant Mortality in the
            20th Century, Dramatic but Uneven Progress” Myron E.
            Wegman School of Public Health, University of Michigan:
            J. Nutr. 131: 401S–408S, 2001.

            The Measles mortality graphs are enlightening [more below] and contradict the claims of Government health officials that vaccines have saved millions of lives. It is an unscientific claim which the data show is untrue. Here you will also learn why vaccinations like mumps and rubella for children are medically unethical and can expose medical professionals to liability for criminal proceedings and civil damages for administering them.

            http://preventdisease.com/news/10/102510_vaccines_did_not_save_us.shtml

            The success of the City of Leicester, England was remarkable in reducing smallpox mortality substantially compared to the rest of England and other countries by abandoning vaccination between 1882 and 1908 [see more below].
            This contrasts how the drug industry has turned each child in the world into a human pin-cushion profit centre.

            The financial markets have known for 20 years and more the pharmaceutical industry’s blockbuster patented drugs business model would eventualy fail We now see the Bill Gates’ type business model emerging – almost everyone has Windows software on their PC – almost everyone will be vax’ed. Gates quickly became a multi-billionaire. With vastly more people to vaccinate than computers requiring software the lure of money is many times greater. All this whilst we watch as childhood prevalence of asthma, allergies, autism, diabetes and more have increased exponentially as the vaccines have been introduced.

            Contents
            Scurvy Mortality
            Typhoid & Scarlet Fever –
            Mortality UK, USA & Australia
            Measles Mortality UK & USA
            Mumps Mortality – England & Wales
            Rubella Mortality – England and Wales
            Mortality, Life Expectancy, Healthcare
            Costs UK, USA and Worldwide
            Mortality USA and UK
            Disease Mortality UK, USA & Australia
            Mortality Measles, Scarlet Fever, Whooping
            Cough, Typhoid, Diphtheria, Influenza,
            Pneumonia & Tuberculosis
            Diphtheria Mortality – England, USA & Australia
            Whooping Cough (Pertussis) Mortality Rates –
            UK, USA & Australia
            Tetanus Mortality – England & Wales 1901 to 1999
            Smallpox Mortality – UK, USA & Sweden
            Leicester & Smallpox
            Extracts From “Leicester: Sanitation
            Versus Vaccination” by J.t. Biggs J.p.
            Table 21. – Smallpox Fatality Rates Compared
            with “Unprotected” Leicester – 1860 to 1908.
            Table 29. Small-pox Epidemics –
            Cost and Fatality Rates Compared

            [ED Note 15 Oct 2009: As information like that here has become available health officials are changing from scaremongering parents into vaccinating with claims their child could die. Now they claim vaccinating reduces the numbers of cases of disease [ie. instead of deaths] and produce graphs of dramatic falls in reported cases (instead of deaths) when measles vaccine was introduced.
            This is again misleading. A dramatic fall in the numbers of reported measles cases would be expected. Doctors substantially overdiagnose measles cases especially when they believe it is a possible diagnosis.Doctors were told the vaccine prevented children getting measles when introduced in the late 1960′s so after that time a substantial reduction in diagnoses would be expected.
            Examples of recent overdiagnoses of measles when there are measles “scares” are proportionately up to 74 times (or 7400% overdiagnosed). Figures and sources follow the next paragraph.
            What health officials are also doing is relying on very old and unreliable data which ignores that measles has become progressively milder so the risks of long term injury have diminished – (and death is the most extreme form of long term injury – shown here by official data to have diminished rapidly and substantially over the past 100 years without the risks posed to children’s health by vaccines).
            Measles Over Diagnosed – Up to 7400%
            A. Laboratory confirmed cases of measles, mumps, and rubella, England and Wales: October to December 2004
            Notified: 474, Tested: 589†, Confirmed cases: 8
            RATE OF OVERDIAGNOSIS:- 589/8 = proportionately 7400% or 74 times overdiagnosed
            SOURCE: CDR Weekly, Volume 15 Number 12 Published: 24 March 2005
            [Note from Source: “†Some oral fluid specimens were submitted early from suspected cases and may not have been subsequently notified, thus the proportion tested is artificially high for this quarter.”]
            B. Total confirmed cases of measles and oral fluid IgM antibody tests in cases notified to ONS*: weeks 40-52/2005
            Notified: 408, Tested: 343, Confirmed cases: 22
            RATE OF OVERDIAGNOSIS:- 343/22 = proportionately 1560 % or 15.6 times overdiagnosed
            SOURCE: CDR Weekly, Volume 16 Number 12 Published on: 23 March 2006

          • Acleron

            Any real data? Oh, the Leicester experience, you don’t appear to mention that they still had smallpox.

            In a modern society we see the effects of antivaxxers, these diseases reappear. I’m sure that those who are hospitalized but still suffer the long term effects of your efforts thank you, of course, the ones you killed have nothing to say.

    • Troy Cline

      So true!!!

    • joe

      So I gather you were not around in the 1950s when hundreds died,YES DIED from vaccine preventable diseases every year. You do know that measles KILLS? Why on earth would any body would want to go back to those days and if we stop vaccination we will end up going back to how it was in the 1950s. I was there and I do not want to go back there.

      • Ron Roy

        Josephine the measles vaccine has killed more people than the disease ever did.”It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa,
        South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving children…They thought they
        were wiping out measles, but most of those susceptible to measles died from some other
        disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their
        immune levels and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis,
        etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there
        were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It’s one way to get good
        statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is what they literally did.”
        –Dr Kalokerinos, M.D. Dr Kalokerinos
        interview——-International Vaccine Newsletter June 1995

        • AutismDadd

          Some are introducing several INTELLIGENT bills involving vaccines
          ktul.com/news/local/several-bills-for-2018-to-address-vaccine-regulations A MUST read

        • joe

          Still lying through your teeth,

          • Matt Hines

            It’s cited. You have no argument.

          • joe

            Cited rubbish

        • Acleron

          Kalokerinos had as much evidence for this nonsense as you do, ie zero.

      • Mary S

        A side from all the vaccine conversation there is something about our CIVIL RIGHTS connected to this article.
        – Parents and individuals have the right to decide . With that right comes responsibility. Also with the right to force mandatory anything comes responsibility and the pharmaceuticals pushed for a law that removed them from all responsibility to the damages their vaccine products may cause… FREEDOM is the founding factor here

        • joe

          Okay Mary, do you wear a seatbelt when you drive your car? If you do, why? Wearing a seatbelt is mandatory, I Guess it would be to help save your life in the event of an accident. If you had a child with measles that coughed on me whilst I have a compromised immune system due to chemotherapy and that resulted in my death, where are MY rights to be protected from your child, remember that I did NOT ask to get cancer, it happened, what about the rights of the elderly or the infants that are too young to be vaccinated, Remember that others have rights to, not just you.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood
          • joe

            Typical anti-vaxer reply when cornered, accusing pro vaxer of being paid. I live in Australia, I am a self funded retiree I have NO NEED to get paid to post, fact is I have no idea how to go about getting paid to post here, fact is I don’t need the money, FACT is you are cornered and screaming like a stuck pig.

          • AutismDadd

            If you aren’t a shill, you’re a troll

          • Zipper666

            OMG! You mean it’s THE JEWS that are behind it? We need to bomb Tel Aviv straight away…

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/602ffd4f5213f83e03b1a80c8287ebb981f5601a576607737baaaf90e9904a43.jpg

            Way to take a page from the old troll handbook! Except that we have seen this exact blurb so many times it is getting old.

            A seatbelt is TOPICAL! Once you take it off-it is gone.

            Vaccines contain heavy metals, aborted fetal cells, peanut oils, formaldehyde and other carcinogens and Polysorbate 80 used in chemo to rush those poisons over the blood brain barrier and to lodge it PERMANENTLY in your brain to cause brain damage. Forever. You can’t take it out. The brain damage is permanent, unless your baby dies. Which they do. SIDS is vaccines dirty little secret-95% of all SIDS cases occur within a short time of vaccination.

          • joe

            TOTAL BS

          • AutismDadd

            Yes you are full of it.

          • bwf309

            You should go back to school now that you have all this time and money and being retired and all. Maybe you could learn to read an insert from a vaccine and see the adverse effects and reactions that are known or at least admitted to. Once you have an education you might wish to come back and apologize to Elizabeth for your ignorant remarks

          • joe

            Apologise for what? My three grandchildren were vaccinated, I was there, neither of them made a sound, in fact one of them was laughing whilst getting the injection. To say the pain is felt by the swelling of the brain IS total B.S.

          • bwf309

            Oh boy, you witnessed the poisoning of your 3 grandchildren without a reaction, and this relates to the millions who have had reactions how? Take a nap grandpa and then go back to school and get an education.

          • Acleron

            Any chance you can learn anything? Things like dose responses?

          • joe

            And what are the reactions that you are talking about? and as for my Education, I do not think you are in a position to lecture me on that Mr whipper snapper.

          • Matt Hines
          • Matt Hines

            This isn’t my child but the closest image I could find of what she looked like on the web just after her pertussis vaccination. Wish I never would have. After this incident we stopped. Read other cases where Parents continued after the same reactions after being pushed by their Dr and children were maimed and even died. Our children are genetically unable to get vaccines. This is why it should never be mandatory. Whenever there is the possibility for great risk it should be freedom of choice.

          • joe

            You were there to witness it?

          • Matt Hines

            The picture is a representation of what my daughter looked like. The reactions were hers and there were more that were long term as well.

          • joe

            So her brain was swelling? and how did you come to that conclusion?

          • Matt Hines

            I didn’t, you did. I came to the conclusion that her body didn’t react right to the vaccine she was given. We we’re correct.

          • joe

            So I presume that after a slight reaction your daughter is fine, SO?

          • Matt Hines

            Nope, she was always very sick growing up. Always the one to get colds and flush and hit the hardest. A damaged immune system for sure. Always had dark circles under her eyes. The smallest and lightest by far. Her two year younger sister is taller and weighs 35 lbs more than her. When her baby teeth fell out none came in for over a year and a half. She’s always been tired and weak. After my wife put her on a regimen of vitamins, herbs and minerals to remove heavy metals from the body her teeth started coming in. In about two-three weeks. Circles under the eyes went away. More energy and more life. After that we worked on fixing her gut. Turns out all our kids have a genetic trait that is contraindicated to getting vaccines. Therefore they all have lifelong medical exemptions to all vaccines. Plain and simple vaccines aren’t a one size fits all. There is no way you can be more informed than a parent with a child who’s had an adverse reaction. I would have been right in your circle before this. My eyes were open when I got involved and researched like my child’s life depending on it.

          • joe

            Like all medicine, there is a chance of a bad reaction. You daughter should not have vaccines if she is having a bad reaction. The people that suffer from this is only a small minority. The real danger for her AND my self is catching a life threatening disease like Measles from an unvaccinated person which could kill your daughter and myself, this is why we rely on herd immunity.

          • Matt Hines

            Actually I differ in opinion. I’m more worried about the massive vaccination movement and vaccinated kids than I am unvaccinated. We live in the United States. Clean water, medical facilities. The recently vaccinated can shed the virus for up to 6 weeks. Even says so on the info you get from the Drs office. The schools have no problem keeping unvaccinated healthy children out but they won’t keep kids away for 6 weeks as recommended. My kids have a higher probability of catching something from a recently vaccinated kid than a gmo free, gluten free, unvaxxed kid. There are a lot more affected kids than you think. Vaccines are an immune system killer. If I’m or my children are immunocomprimised it’s our job to protect ourselves. I don’t expect the entire state to bend for me. Especially when vaccines are hurting so many. Look up how gardisil is destroying children and families right now. I do feel for you. Has to be scary. Wish you the best as Ived had family fight cancer before. Look up high dose vit a for measles and high dose vit c for pertussis. Could help you in the future.

          • Matt Hines

            By the way, herd immunity can not be achieved with vaccinations. Only by the live virus. Most people in their 40s are no longer protected by their childhood vaccinations as well.

          • Acleron

            ‘By the way, herd immunity can not be achieved with vaccinations’

            Where did you get this myth from?

          • Matt Hines

            From lead scientists. From the person who coined herd immunity

          • Acleron

            So you vaguely heard this nonsense. Well, you can explain why diseases reappear when the vaccination rate drops below the level predicted by the mathematics of herd immunity. You can, can’t you?

          • AutismDadd

            We know diseases come from the act of vaccination, and shedding . That was easy

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “We know?” Who’s “we,” dumbass? You and your gerbil? Shedding hasn’t caused a single outbreak of disease in the past 2 decades. Prove otherwise, asshole.

          • AutismDadd

            Not for you jailhouse scum

          • Demaris Forsythe

            You have no evidence, DADDO. If you did, you’d be eager beyond all reason to post it. Thanks for playing, cupcake.

          • AutismDadd

            How much welfare money do you spend on coke and chips?

          • Demaris Forsythe

            What’s the matter, AD? Butt-hurt because I’m not buying your stupid claim that you’re being forced to vaccinate? How pathetic. Name one outbreak of disease that was caused by vaccine shedding.

          • AutismDadd

            Nice deflection

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Funny that you can’t seem to refute a thing I’ve posted.

          • Brian

            Matt Hines says “herd immunity can not be achieved with vaccinations”.

            Smallpox and rinderpest couldn’t be found for comment.
            Polio has been eliminated from all but a few countries. Rubella is eliminated from half the world.

            Thanks vaccines! Anti-vaxxers deny reality.

          • Matt Hines

            Try clean sanitized water systems. Nah, that has nothing to do with it.

          • Brian

            Do you know what rinderpest is? It’s a disease that used to infect cattle. Are you saying that cows started using flush toilets to get rid of the disease?

            Clean water is fantastic for water-borne diseases. It doesn’t do much for air-borne diseases though.

          • Matt Hines

            In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk, who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” )

          • Acleron

            That exact sentence appeared in naturalnews in 2009. The problem is that Science did not have an issue on 4/4/77.

          • Brian

            Yup, the first polio vaccine was a live virus vaccine, and in extremely rare cases, could cause polio.

            It was also extremely effective, and polio disease rates plummeted when the vaccine was introduced. It worked so well, in fact, that within a couple decades, the wild disease was eliminated from vaccinated populations, leaving only the handful of vaccine-derived cases.

            Thanks for illustrating that the vaccine was extremely effective at eliminating polio!

            In developed countries like the USA, we now use the version of the vaccine that can’t cause it.

          • joe

            Thank you and you have a nice day.

          • Matt Hines

            You too Joe. I really wish you the best. Hope you beat the bastard. I know my mother couldn’t sleep, eat, and was in a ton of pain from the chemo. We convinced her together that maybe she should try cannabis as so many cancer patients swear by it. At 70 this was no easy feat. She finally gave in and she slept through the night, got the munchies and the pain was tolerable. None of her prescribed meds helped with any of it. Keep your head up, keep strong, and find reasons to be happy. Take care Joe.

          • joe

            thank you

          • AutismDadd

            joe the immunocompromised vaccine supporter. He wants millions over vaccinated so he can walk around in a sanitized world. Good luck with that joe

          • FallsAngel

            There is no vaccine that “sheds” for six weeks. Post this info from the doctor’s office for verification. Actually, the only vaccine that sheds is rotavirus which sheds in the stool for a time after vaccination. Washing your hands after changing the vaccinated baby’s diaper will keep you from being exposed. Chickenpox vaccine may “shed” if the person develops a rash (1 in about 25 vaccinees) and the rash becomes pustular and (this is the important part), a non-immune person comes in contact with the exudate in the pustules. Basically this is people who share a bed or have other very close contact. Other people are exposed to a much weakened virus than the disease virus. A GMO free, gluten free diet will do nothing to prevent disease.

            Gardasil prevents cancer; it does not cause cancer.

            Vitamin A is only beneficial for kids who are deficient. High dose Vit. C just give you expensive urine.

            Ed for punctuation.

          • Matt Hines

            Oh brother. The Drs website. Lol. Of course gluten free, and gmo free aren’t the only things to do to keep a strong immune system. That wasn’t even my point I was making. Kids that have parents who refuse to vaccinate quite possibly and probably had a kid injured by a vaccine. The majority of these parents are highly intelligent successful people very concerned with health who do their research for their family and decide what’s best. Point being most unvaxxed kids probably eat healthier and are generally healthier than the average citizen. Gardisil maimes and kills kids and it’s doing so in big numbers. Japan had high numbers of girls dying from it. We’ve had many here as well. How do you get that cancer? First off abstinence or waiting til marriage will stop it. But let’s say we don’t have those kids. Teaching strong morals and values and the importance of respect yourself by not sleeping around. Then there is protection that provides yet another stop block. If they sleep with someone unprotected who is infected the chances of getting hpv are less than getting them by a lot. Then if they get hpv the chances of getting cancer are low. So you have all those stop blocks. I’ll stick with not whoring around for 1000 Alex. You’re also dead wrong on the high dose vitamins. In fact they were both on the CDC website until CA started their vaccine mandate campaign. It works great. All of our daughters have caught the measles and pertussis from school. Both were no big deal other than being sick thanks to the high dose vitamin A and C. Vitamin A in high dose can eliminate 80% of the symptoms. Vitamin C can eliminate 60% of the symptoms including the cough. Seen it myself with my children.

          • FallsAngel

            I’m not your brother.
            “The Drs website”? What’s that, another anti-vax website?

            It’s untrue that the majority of these parents are highly intelligent successful people very concerned with health who do their research for their family and decide what’s best. In fact “a middle age, Midwestern man with high-school diploma, low income and a
            tendency not to think his vote matters much: this is the identity of the average American anti-vaxxer, according to a survey run by real-time consumer insight firm CivicScience. ” See: https://qz(dot)com/355398/the-average-anti-vaxxer-is-probably-not-who-you-think-she-is/

            Japan did not have high numbers of girls dying from Gardasil. Japan had a high number of girls complaining of long-term pain and numbness. However, a cause-and-effect relationship between the vaccination and the pain and numbness could not be established, so the task force members called for further studies by the ministry. The Japanese Health Ministry withdrew its recommendation for Gardasil based on the flimsiest of evidence. See this: https://www(dot)skepticalraptor(dot)com/skepticalraptorblog(dot)php/japan-bans-gardasil-debunking-myths-hpv-vaccine/ for more information.

            Your “morality” speech does not allow for people to ever even marry a second time following being widowed, let alone divorced. Nor does it protect rape victims. You do know men can get HPV related cancers as well, don’t you?

          • Matt Hines

            You bet your not. Thank god. You know what’s really stupid about this. We are all on here talking and nothing will come of it. You’re not going to change my views as my child was greatly injured and I made the an educated decision deciding what’s best for. I’m glad I did because the mainstream medicine pediatrician agreed fully. I had a firsthand negative experience that medicine agreed with. I’ve ridden in with enough patients over 22 years as a medic and fireman that I have a pretty good idea of adverse reactions due to new meds or in this case a vaccine. I not going to trust big pharma and the corrupt cdc lies when Ive seen with my own eyes. You’re not going to change my mind ever. Hey keep drinking the koolaid. Remember when cigarettes weren’t bad for you, how about fat free foods that started in the 80s packed with sugar, or marijuana being a schedule 1 narcotic when it has huge medicinal qualities for many ailments and diseases. Haha, don’t ask questions m, just believe what for profit corporations and their la keys tell you. Joe, hope you recover. At least some quality of life. FallsAngel, don’t really give a shit what you say, you’re a dick. You’ll see, it will come out some day. FA, you probably believed Zika shrunk heads and got the h1n1 vaccine too. Lol. Take care Joe

          • AutismDadd

            FalseAngel another Pharma minion

          • joe

            I think FallsAngel has answered your post to me in a comprehensible fashion.

          • FallsAngel

            Thanks, joe.

          • AutismDadd

            Is it 100% you would die from measles?

          • sabelmouse

            totally! i did, as did everybody i grew up with.

          • AutismDadd

            That’s shocking . May you all rest in peace when you actually die.

          • sabelmouse

            thank you !:)

          • AutismDadd

            So opinion is all joe has..

          • Mary S

            Joe, this still puzzles me, you have stated several times in these comments that you have a compromised immune system and are therefore are concerned that you will catch a vaccine preventable disease from an unvaccinated person. “AND my self is catching a life threatening disease like Measles”
            – How is that possible IF your have been vaccinated for them yourself?

          • Mike Stevens

            “Turns out all our kids have a genetic trait that is contraindicated to getting vaccines.”

            Oh, really?
            What would that be then?

          • nichicanilimonada

            And how does one acquire “a genetic trait that is contraindicated”?

          • Matt Hines

            Born with it.

          • nichicanilimonada

            I apologise for the grammar joke—as written, the sentence construction implied that the trait itself is contraindicated, rather than inborn. It was not my intention to be insensitive.

            However, I’d be interested to know what trait results in a contraindication for any specific vaccine or for vaccines in general. I’m not aware of any genetic conditions for which this would be true. I also understand that some parents whose children have certain inborn conditions, e.g. mitochondrial disorders, are under the mis-impression that vaccines are contraindicated when, in fact, vaccination is highly recommended to protect these children from the much higher risks presented by the vaccine-preventable diseases.

          • Matt Hines

            Well for one, all of us have auto immune issues. But as for the gene mutation, it’s the MTHFR gene. Also one had a very acute adverse reaction. Maybe you know more than the Dr who prescribed 3 girls in a family a lifetime medical exemption when 99% of Drs in ca won’t.

          • Mike Stevens

            “All of us have autoimmune issues”? Speak for yourself. Most autoimmune “issues” are not triggered by external factors, and in those that are, infections are the primary cause. Vaccine-triggered autoimmunity is pretty rare.

            The MTHFR gene, or polymorphisms of it, only affect around half the population, and in the vast majority of these the levels of enzyme are unaffected by the polymorphism, and levels of folate and homocysteine remain unaffected.
            https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/mthfr-gene-mutations-are-the-root-of-all-health-problems/

            “Maybe you know more than the Dr who prescribed 3 girls in a family a lifetime medical exemption when 99% of Drs in ca won’t.”
            Unfortunately it seems that some doctors in Ca (your “1%”) have jumped onto the “medical exemption” bandwagon, in an effort to make a quick buck from parents who wish to exempt their kids from the vaccine requirements when there is no real reason for a medical exemption.
            That’s unethical imo. And yes, as an infectious diseases specialist working as an NHS hospital consultant, I do think I know more about infections and vaccines than they do.

          • Matt Hines

            I never said the autoimmune diseases were triggered by the vaccine. You assumed that. I was answering your previous question. Having an autoimmune disease makes you a bad candidate for vaccines. As does having the MTHFR gene, especially when your homozygous for it. It doesn’t matter what you say. I saw my injured daughter change remarkably when we detoxed her for heavy metals. I’m talking all her baby teeth that had naturally fallen out start growing back in after two weeks. They had fallen out a year to a year and a half prior. The dark, dark circles under her eyes that she had forever vanishing. She was always tired, not active and not talking muchz she changed to a bundle of energy, funny, talkative and very active. There was more too. It all started happening at the same time about 2 weeks after starting to detoxing her. Coming to this decision is not something I took lightly. It was very hard for me. The more I read, and what I saw with my own eyes was enough for me. I’ll post a picture off the web that looks just like what she did. It shows your arrogance in your words when you don’t even know this MD. He’s actually a mainstream western medicine doctor. He’s very respected and one of the known best doctors in our area and he is in a very large metropolitan city. You have you’re reasons for your views and I have mine. My beef is mandating them. That decision should be up to the parents. It shouldn’t be a forced decision when your getting injected with anything unless of course for emergency medicine life saving measures when there is implied consent. Good day.

            It wouldn’t let me post the picture. I’ll try again later.

          • AutismDadd

            Mike Stevens is a plant , here to spread misinformation.

          • Matt Hines

            Tell me, how exactly do they make a quick buck. Other than just having a regular drs billed. You should know that you can’t make extra money by signing a script for a pt. Makes me wonder about your credentials.

          • Mike Stevens

            “Tell me, how exactly do they make a quick buck. Other than just having a regular drs visit billed. You should know that you can’t make extra money by signing a script for a pt. Makes me wonder about your credentials.”

            Well, you offer to fill out the medical exemption certificate.
            You charge money.
            It seems Dr Bob Sears charges $180, and he doesn’t even check whether there is a genuine reason… anything spurious will do, it seems.
            https://respectfulinsolence.com/2016/07/29/after-sb-277-online-medical-exemptions-to-school-vaccine-mandates-are-now-for-sale/

            So, sign one certificate a day, and pocket over $50k a year.
            Sounds like a very quick buck to me…

          • AutismDadd

            Surprising Mike won’t agree with a gene issue. Pharma has tried blaming the victims for decades.

          • AutismDadd

            Its fortunate your child lived. Your story is common in detail.

          • FallsAngel

            A representation? That’s not her?

          • Matt Hines

            No I won’t put my kids face on the internet but the physical appearance of the rash and intensity is best portrayed by this picture. Not so hard to understand.

          • FallsAngel

            Yes it is hard to understand. You put someone’s kid’s picture on the WWW.

          • Matt Hines

            Yes I put a picture up that has already been put all over the internet. Have fun trolling. You have nothing to offer to this apparently.

          • Mary S

            Simple, Seatbelts are mandatory because they serve the person wearing with NO threat of addition harm, they serve others who might be involved in an accident and they serve the Automobile insurance companies who will not have to pay out $ for greater injuries. Win Win. Not comparable! ..

            -Some, not all, Vaccines are failing provide immunization. Instead they provide testable antibodies but not immunity. Over time these diseases take their natural cycle and are reoccurring later in life in those that have been vaccinated. Now that infants are being vaccinated the time when immunity is most needed, during the years of reproduction for parents, the immunities are gone… just gone… If the childhood diseases, measles, mumps, rubella and some others are allow to occur naturally during the ages 1-7 years the immunity is for life. No reoccurrence of the same illness later when it will do much more harm to the patient and families, and that includes your elderly example, the potential grandparent with cancer.. now where are your rights.

          • joe

            Yes but if you allow children to have measles naturally they are still carriers and can pass it on to the the vulnerable people like myself and that would result in my death. Apart from that, why expose your child to what is a potentially deadly disease when it could be prevented from the outset by a simple vaccination

          • AutismDadd

            More double speak from a vac pusher

          • Cyn Burton

            It’s only double speak if it doesn’t affect you and your family. You actually think Joe and I probably deserve to die. Nature’s way of culling the herd. The height of self absorption. Incredibly self-centered and selfish.

          • AutismDadd

            And you like joe don’t get it.

          • Mary S

            Interested in This reply, specifically, “…have measles naturally they are still carriers and can pass it on to the the vulnerable people …” I seriously would to know if this is factual. I became immune naturally so this IS IMPORTANT to me personally. Can you provide and scientific back ground to the statement please? I have NEVER read or heard that and want to know. That is why I am writing in this conversation, to learn so please stop bashing people you disagree with.. it serves no one.. Looking forward to a link for specific way I can find evidence of the statement.

          • joe
          • Brian

            Mary, did you know that in a tiny percentage of auto accidents, seat belts cause mor harm to the person wearing them?

          • Mary S

            YES… fortunately tiny .. Benefit clearly outweighs the Risk

          • Brian

            The same as vaccines!

          • Richard Lawler

            Show me where you got that information. I hear all the time accidents and those did not have seat belts on got killed or hurt.Where those in the same accident who wear seat belts have minor injuries. Where do you get the information they cause more harm then good.

          • Matt Hines

            Well, I have no idea where you get your info. I respond to those accidents when I’m at work and seatbelts save lives. Plain and simple. They don’t cause added harm up to death.

          • Brian

            I agree. Seat belts save lives. That’s my point and people should always wear them. My point is, while seat belts prevent injury or death in the vast majority of accidents, there are rare occasions wear the seat belt can cause additional injury/harm.

            The point was to show that even though vaccine injuries have occurred on rare occasions, that’s not a good reason to avoid them.

          • Matt Hines

            I know your point but I do not agree as far as vaccines go. I had an injured child which forced me to read as much I can on the issue. Many more get injured than anyone knows. Whether it be allergies, neuron or even death. There is zero research out there comparing the health of vaccinated kids to unvaccinated kids. If you’re over 40 more than likely you are not immune anymore as well. Yet we don’t have massive outbreaks. When we do many already vaccinated become sick as well. They are now blaming this harsh flu season on the flu vaccine this year. Still very much practicing medicine when it comes to vaccines. For profit industry. My opinion.

          • Brian

            There’s really no faster way to prove your ignorance than to say “There is zero research out there… “.

            Scientists aren’t stupid. They’ve studies this for decades, and the results are consistent.

          • AutismDadd

            How lame. What scientists? Employed by whom? Do they support medical consensus and best practice? Are they government employees or receive funding from CDC or the Vaccine industry? What country, university or research foundation do they represent? Do they own vaccine patents?

          • Matt Hines

            You might think that but no. There has not been one peer reviewed study on the health of vaccinated kids vs unvaccinated kids. If you think I’m wrong, try and find one.

          • Brian

            Why just one? If I show you one, will you apologize and retract your comment?

            What if I show you ten, or twenty, peer-reviewed studies? Will you accept you were wrong, or will you move the goalposts and start an endless game of whack-a-mole? I am happy to provide you with academic research, but I’d prefer not to be wasting my time.

          • Matt Hines

            That’s what I thought.

          • Brian

            Huh?
            Answer the question- will you apologize and retract your comment when I show you the studies you previously said don’t exist?

          • Matt Hines

            I don’t know you nor have I said or done anything to grant an apology. If you had something you’d post it.

          • Brian

            I simply said I didn’t want to waste my time. If you are being honest you have absolutely nothing to be worried about.

            Answer the question- will you apologize and retract your comment when I show you the studies you previously said don’t exist?

          • Mary S

            Seems Brian has a rather large ego

          • Matt Hines

            Haha, no. I will not apologize to you keyboard tough guy, as I have no reason too. Put up or shut up.

          • Brian

            So you’d refuse to admit you’re wrong, even if shown proof?

            That means I’d be wasting my time. Thanks for admitting you aren’t an honest person.

            Also, you should probably go read some actual research, like Schmitz et al. (2011) “Vaccination Status and Health in Children and Adolescents”.

          • Matt Hines

            Man you really like to put words in people’s mouths. I said I wouldn’t apologize. Even if I weren’t correct, I am, it wouldn’t be something that warranted an apology. Really??!! Haha. That is a German not US study. I’d like to see a US study were they gave a damn to study vaccinated vs unvaccinated children. Results showing not only disease prevalence but also healthiness of each group even when it comes to allergies, sickness, neuro, intelligence levels, and more. No time to waste, let’s get started. Hasn’t been done and won’t be. It would prove that children that do not live in a third world country and have clean sanitized water systems are much healthier than vaccinated kids. This doesn’t sell vaccines.

          • Brian

            Lol! Just like I predicted!

            When proven wrong, you move the goalposts!

          • Matt Hines

            “You might think that but no. There has not been one peer reviewed US study on the health of vaccinated kids vs unvaccinated kids. If you think I’m wrong, try and find one.”

          • Brian

            Before you said that there never was any study at all, and now you’re moving the goalposts to say there hasn’t been a study in the USA. Do Germans not count?

            Regardless, there’s literally hundreds of studies. Here’s a few studies from the good ol’ US of A-

            PMID: 12182372
            PMID: 9040712
            PMID: 10526739

            Face it. The more you pretend that you’re smarter than scientists that have been studying these things for decades, the more foolish you look.

          • Mary S

            Interesting Selections: quotes from Abstracts:
            PubMed
            PMID: 12182372 –: Abstract not double blind, no comparision to unvaccinated children.
            BACKGROUND:
            A few previous studies have suggested that childhood vaccines, particularly whole cell pertussis vaccine, may increase the risk of asthma. We evaluated the suggested association between childhood vaccinations and risk of asthma.
            METHODS:
            Cohort study involving 167,240 children who were enrolled in 4 large health maintenance organizations during 1991 to 1997, with follow-up from birth until at least 18 months to a maximum of 6 years of age. Vaccinations were ascertained through computerized immunization tracking systems, and onset of asthma was identified through computerized data on medical care encounters and medication dispensings.
            CONCLUSION:
            There is no association between diphtheria, tetanus and whole cell pertussis vaccine, oral polio vaccine or measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the risk of asthma. The weak associations for Hib and hepatitis B vaccines seem to be at least partially accounted for by health care utilization or information bias.

            PMID: 9040712 – ABSTRACT Double Blind – Influenza immunization in MS patients is neither associated with an increased exacerbation rate in the postvaccination period nor a change in disease course over the subsequent 6 months.
            PMID: 10526739 -Abstract
            OBJECTIVE:
            We undertook this study to test whether Bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine preserves beta-cell function and increases the remission rate in children with new-onset type 1 diabetes.
            CONCLUSIONS:
            Vaccination with BCG at the time of onset of type 1 diabetes does not increase the remission rate or preserve beta-cell function.

          • Brian

            Yup. Just a few of the hundreds of studies that Matt pretends don’t exist.

          • Mary S

            Brian, did you not notice that none of the three Abstracts you selected pertain to any of the specifics that the Quote “Anti-vaxxers” are talking about as a generality are brain and nervous system damage. Two Abstracts are about using vaccinations with existing conditions (asthma and MS, multiple sclerosis) the other one is onset diabetes. These are not serving your point of view.

          • Brian

            Well, Matt said there were any studies about vaccination and “health”. If you want me to show you studies about “brain and nervous system damage”, then all you have to do is ask.

          • Mary S

            I am Asking, please do.

            Be specific. “…vaccinated vs unvaccinated children. Results showing not only disease prevalence but also healthiness of each group: noting allergies, sickness, neuro, intelligence levels…”, (neuro – such as autism, ADHD, learning disabilities) and overall health (sick visits to doctor) comparisons, long-term, that would generally be expected to review children to middle education such as 12-13 years of age.

            That is the quest. Note: to be a valid study it would need to be comparing children from like social economic groups with like sanitation systems. I will appreciate the opportunity to read the studies myself as I hope others would value this knowledge as well. It would be really helpful if the financing was not provided by the pharmaceutical business that developed the vaccine being studied but that is probably too much to ask since they are usually the only ones with enough money and vested interest to fund large long-term studies. Thank you in advance

          • Brian

            Well, if you want me to be specific, you’ll have to be specific too. What you’re asking for is contained in literally thousands of studies. I suggest you simply type in your topic of interest into Pubmed or Google Scholar, and you’ll get access to several studies in seconds.

            Regardless, here’s a handful of studies illustrating one of the reasons we know vaccines and autism are unrelated.

            -Taylor et al. (1999) studied 498 children in the UK showing no difference in autism rates or age at ASD development based on vaccination
            -Makela et al. (2001) studied 500,000 children in Finland showing no difference in autism rates or age at ASD development based on vaccination -Madsen et al. (2002) studied 500,000 children in Denmark showing no difference in autism rates or age at ASD development based on vaccination -Hviid et al. (2003) studied 450,000 children in Denmark showing no difference in autism based on thimerosal in vaccines
            -Verstraeten et al. (2003) studied 125,000 children in the U.S. showing no difference in autism and other disorders based on thimerosal in vaccines -Andrews et al. (2004) studied 100,000 children in the UK and found no difference in autism and several other disorders based on thimerosal in vaccines
            -DeStefano et al. (2004) studied 2,500 children in the U.S. showing no difference in autism rates based on vaccination
            -Smeeth et al. (2004) studied 5000 people in the UK and found no difference in autism and several other disorders based on vaccination
            -Honda et al. (2005) studied 300,000 people in Japan showing no difference in autism rates based on vaccination
            -Fombonne et al. (2006) studied 28,000 children in Canada showing no difference in autism rates and other developmental disorders based on vaccination
            -Richler et al. (2006) studied 300 people with autism in the U.S. and found no difference in regressive autism rates based on vaccination -Uchiyama et al. (2007) studied 900 people with autism in Japan and found no difference in regressive autism rates based on vaccination
            -Price et al. (2010) and DeStefano et al. (2013) studied 1000 children in the U.S. and found no difference in either classical or regressive autism rates, or other forms of ASD, based on thimerosal or other ingredients in vaccines
            -Kuwaik et al. (2014) studied autism rates among those who had older siblings with autism, showing no difference based on vaccination even with genetic predispositions to autism
            -Jain et al. (2015) replicated the study with 95,000 people and got the same result
            -Baxter et al. (2015) showed that, when using the same diagnosis criteria, the autism rate was the same 25 years ago as it is today
            -Gadad et al. (2015) showed no difference in autism rates in rhesus monkeys based on vaccination, and their brains were dissected just to make certain. Also, this study was funded by anti-vaccine groups
            -Taylor et al. (2014) performed a meta-analysis (better than double-blind studies!) with 1,250,000 people, showing no difference in autism rates based on vaccination
            -Zerbo et al. (2017) studied 200,000 in the USA showing no difference in autism rates based on influenza vaccination during the mothers’ pregnancy.

          • Mary S

            First, Thank you for your insults and generally nasty manner. You asked to be challenged to provide links to studies.
            -What you have provided is a direct copy paste from “Cource Hero” an on-line homework tutorial program for Biology 101. Without being one of their tutors or a registered user student of this site one cannot view the design or actual studies. However, with Google I still appreciate the resource and will use them.
            – From the brief summaries provided it looks like very good news regarding specifically the MRM vaccine and Autism.
            Link to the information you provided:
            https://www.coursehero.com/file/p2bti7/A-study-by-Gillberg-and-Heijbel-1998-examined-the-prevalence-of-autism-in/

            COURSE TITLE BIOL 101 TYPE Notes UPLOADED BY dlatham PAGES 46

            “This preview shows pages 6–8. Sign up to view the full content.
            Good day…

          • Brian

            I wasn’t previously familiar with this section from coursehero. I includes studies I’m not familiar with and doesn’t include many I provide. All the studies I listed I have been able to find online and have read in their entirety.

            I’m sorry that you think that responses to your requests are “nasty”.

          • Mary S

            It would be appropriate per your offer, to provide internet links to these studies. If you do it will certainly help, however I know retracing your steps would take some extra time. … This subject is so very important to the future of the worlds health it is too bad the methods of communications are turning into a battle ground with peoples lives at stake as in all wars… it would be so much better if the vaxxers vs anti-vaxxers could both communicate honestly with the ability to review studies without the narrow filters… I do have a prejudice toward honesty and it is hard to find when power and money are involved.
            BE WELL

          • joe

            Can you prove that unvaccinated kids are more healthy than vaccinated kids? I am waiting.

          • AutismDadd

            briandead won’t respond to me any more. He posts nonsense anyway.

          • AutismDadd

            Nice denial, deflection and disappearing act briandead

          • AutismDadd

            WHO cares?

          • Mike Stevens

            “Seatbelts are mandatory because they serve the person wearing with NO threat of addition harm”

            Nope. Seat belts can harm, and they even kill. In fact they kill more people each year than vaccines do.
            They don’t prevent injury or death either…tens of thousands of people die each year while wearing them.

            So to be true to your principles, I guess neither you nor your family (kids/grandkids) will wear one.

          • AutismDadd

            Yawn. Is it just me or do Mike’s posts produce mind numbing effects?

          • Stupid People Hater

            I hate them and don’t think that the “Law” should dictate to me that I “Have” to wear it while driving in my own private personally owned vehicle. My life, my decision. Just because the Federal Government dictated that my state would not get additional millions of dollars for state roads if they did not pass that law. It’s total bull shit and it’s all about the money, Not Lives!

          • joe

            Well don’t wear a seatbelt, no body is holding a gun to your head, see how you go when you are involved in an accident.

          • Suz

            Diphtheria can very likely kill a 2 month old baby but NOT the mother carrier or grandma who comes to visit.

          • Mary S

            My discussion does not include Diphtheria vaccinations. However I certainly will consider your comment as I study the anti-vaccination movement.

          • Tna Lled

            Mary, that is absolutely false about seatbelts. Just as you made the point of some vaccines failing to work, there are many accidents in which the individual wearing the seat belt died because they were cut in half due to wearing the belt. The difference being, if you choose to not wear a belt, you are only hurting yourself, you refuse to vaccinate, you put countless others at risk. With that said, the reward far out weights the risk in both situations. If your child comes in contact with one of those illnesses between 1-7, there is the chance they won’t make it to develop an immune system. If you’re ok with that, then that’s ignorant and selfish. The reason why society has flourished is because of vaccines. Before them, the average life span was 40, all dying from the same diseases you believe our children will develope immune systems too.

          • AutismDadd

            Yea and over population is great for the planet.

          • Zipper666

            Where do you get these stories? Even Fox Nudes would hesitate to make such a claim, especially “many accidents”.
            A seat belt cannot “cut [you] in half” – if the accident is at high speed so that the driving compartment is crushed or torn open you can suffer fatal injury but you will still be in your seat, behind the belt.
            Injuries CAN be suffered when the belt is deliberately routed under the arm for “freedom” and a crash will propel the body forward to suffer internal injuries from the incorrectly place belt.

          • Mary S

            Zipper666 Your typo is hilarious… “Even Fox Nudes would hesitate…” giggles ,, have to laugh occasionally while viewing these comments.. thank you for being human.

          • Blues

            That’s a pretty stupid argument. When you exit your car after having used your seatbelt, do you suffer from any serious side effects? Can you die in your sleep because you used your seatbelt? Wow, man, wake up! Have you ever thought that it may just be possible that you have a compromised immune system BECAUSE of vaccines? I’ve had measles, mumps, chicken pox and what not WITHOUT being vaccinated, and so has everybody else I know, and not a single one of us has died from any of those illnesses. In fact, having had them you exit them with a STRONGER, MORE ROBUST immune system.

          • AutismDadd

            joe isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer

          • Blues

            I’ve noticed…

          • joe

            You would not know what day it is.Are you related to Dudd or are you Dudd using another account?

          • AutismDadd

            We aren’t like you joe/ Mike Stevens

          • joe

            what a maroon

          • joe

            Mike Stevens? thanks, I will take that as a compliment.

          • Mary S

            There are statements from parents that after a bout with “childhood” diseases such as measles their children blossom intellectually suggesting greater cognitive abilities. I certainly know that struggle promotes mental strength…
            – It seems possible that our creator may have had a plan for human potential .

          • Brian

            “after a bout with “childhood” diseases such as measles their children blossom intellectually suggesting greater cognitive abilities.”

            So you’re not only anti-vaccine, but actually pro-disease!

          • Blues

            You are proof positive that vaccines also affects one’s logic. Please stay away from any debating societies, will ya?

          • Brian

            What’s wrong with my logic?

            Many of Mary’s comments were false information intended to vilify vaccination (anti-vaccine)
            Then she made a misleading claim intended to glorify infectious disease. By definition, that’s “pro-disease”.

          • Mary S

            Brian, your life training and experience has created your opinion,, my life training and experience has created mine. I came to this forum/discussion to learn and learn I have.

          • Brian

            It’s great that you’ve learned new things!

            Out of curiosity, what new things have you learned?

          • Mary S

            False interest… done with you.

          • Brian

            I’m sorry facts offend you.

          • Mary S

            Brian, even after 12 days… this comment from you: “Many of Mary’s comments were false information intended to vilify vaccination (anti-vaccine)
            Then she made a misleading claim intended to glorify infectious disease. By definition, that’s “pro-disease”. is so full of SH T… the misleading is being done by you.

          • Brian

            Mary S, in case you were unaware, your comments can be seen by everyone.
            If you want examples of false, anti-vaccine statements you’ve made, I’d be happy to point them out to you.

          • Mary S

            Make sure they are in context.. have fun.

          • Larry Flood

            your logic is bullshit. have you looked at the recent warning labels on the mmr vaccine.. even states this could cause autism

          • Acleron

            No it doesn’t, it is listed as an adverse event that may happen after vaccination. Take any point in childhood and autism may be diagnosed after that point, it is because autism is diagnosed in that period, vaccination or not.

          • AutismDadd

            Buh Wah Ha Ha METHANE ALERT oh MMR causes an adverse event called autism? Of course all we had to do was say Judge my child’s MMR caused his adverse event IE: AUTISM

          • Acleron

            Duddy boy continuing to show his incomprehension.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Show me the package insert that states autism is a side-effect of vaccines. A discontinued vaccine which lists it as an adverse event does not count.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fbfff6bdef04547faae43f0f44ae539c8dbb6651b241fcf1aaa3775e138f0893.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b13e56a0101d00cf97e4ff2324d32082e68cf298ec105d2f86fa10baedbad413.png

          • AutismDadd

            WRONG. A discontinued vaccine saying so is EVIDENCE. We all know autism was removed from inserts to quell the uproar and stifle evidence.

          • AutismDadd

            Your logic has a terrible aroma

          • Acleron

            Your only expertise is in the scatalogical, sad.

          • AutismDadd

            briandead is a master debater

          • Mary S

            LOL

          • Brian

            All of the people who died from those diseases aren’t around to tell anyone how great they were.

          • Blues

            So… I wouldn’t know if any of my friends or family, who has not been vaccinated, died from any of those illnesses?

          • Brian

            Probably not, if they died before you would have gotten to know them. It’s called survivorship bias.

          • bwf309

            WOW what a babble machine you are “survivorship bias?” And this is supposed to impress us enough to have toxic substances pumped into our bodies. LOL

          • Brian

            I’ve asked you this multiple times, and you refuse to answer:

            Can you name one toxic substance in vaccines that is toxic at the dosage achieved by routine vaccination?

            If you can’t, then no one cares about your anti-vaccine nonsense.

          • AutismDadd

            briandead won’t mention that 19 countries have vaccine injury compensation programs. Why would so many countries have them if vaccines have no issues. I guess Brian FAILED logic class. But somewhere he learned about misinformation, fear mongering, lying by omission and creating strawman arguments.

          • Larry Flood

            yes mercury .. .aluminum .. and many others .. these may not effect you an adult .. with one single dose.. but an infant? and these and other ingredients arent just eliminated by the body they can stay ..and build . whos to say the person getting the injection is or isnt allergic to something iin the vaccine… were you ever tested for allergies before having these things pushed into your blood stream .. you should do some research before you just folow the crowd .. like a sheep… look at the rates of autism .. adhd .. child hood cancers .. and many other things that keep exponentially growing as more and more vaccines are mandated .. is this all coincidence.. i hope your smarter than that …

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Compounds are not elements. Vaccines are not injected into the bloodstream.

          • AutismDadd

            Liar. If you scratch your arm what comes out? Its called the bloodstream troll

          • Brian

            Nope.
            Mercury and aluminum aren’t toxic in the quantities in routine vaccination. There’s more mercury in fish and aluminum in milk, but I don’t hear anyone saying we should ban milk because of “toxic ingredients”.

            And the zombie hoax of autism… Did you know that the unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so there’s obviously no connection? Several large-scale studies show this, but you don’t seem to ever have read the research. BAxter et al. (2014) even showed that the autism rate hasn’t even changed in decades. Autism just wen undiagnosed previously.

          • AutismDadd

            briandead spreading his cheeks and leaving a mound of his intelligence

          • Larry Flood

            if your so positive they are safe .. show me the tests where these companies proved their safety before putting them on the market

          • Brian

            Ever heard of clinical trials? Every single vaccine is required to go through them. They aren’t secret.

          • Larry Flood

            you seem to me to be a pharmaceutical troll

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Based on what?

          • Brian

            Larry Flood says ” you seem to me to be a pharmaceutical troll”

            …because I debunk false information on the internet?

          • joe

            And you are a pro-disease troll

          • joe

            We are all waiting for your reply to Brian’s question

          • AutismDadd

            We were waiting for the area to air out

          • joe

            bit difficult when you have a poop head

          • bwf309

            Oh God Brian. Babble of no factual value intended to impress and make someone feel guilty. Go nail yourself to a cross if you wish, but some of us choose to make our own choices about vaccines.

          • joe

            Between four and five hundred died from measles every year from measles just in the U.S.A alone before vaccination. And NO I have a compromised immune system due to my fight with Cancer. https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html

          • AutismDadd

            Cancer? And you don’t know vaccines are linked to cancer and an altered immune system fails to do its job, ie: attack cancer cells?

          • Zipper666

            OMG! anti-vaxxers will pull any argument out of their rear end. CANCER? Really, is that the newest claim?
            I guess chemotherapy is to be avoided as well, right?
            Your half baked nonsense is playing with people’s lives.

          • joe

            Do not take to much notice of the Dudd, he is here for entertainment purposes.

          • AutismDadd

            Wrong sock puppet. I’m here to fight for Vaccine Safety and transparency. Two things you oppose.

          • joe

            Sock puppet? prove it pea brain. And I am here to expose the lies you spread.

          • AutismDadd

            Well all you’ve exposed is your bias and ignorance. Please continue

          • joe

            I will expose your lies at every opportunity, liar.

          • AutismDadd

            why not try once to see how it goes?

          • AutismDadd

            pea brain? Why not poop head?

          • joe

            you prefer poop head? ok poop head

          • AutismDadd

            Are you a grade one teacher OR student?

          • joe

            You would not know the difference Pea brain. Going for breakfast, don’t get to happy I will be back to expose your lies.

          • AutismDadd

            So what shelter do you go to?

          • joe

            Just because you live in a shelter does not mean every one else does.

          • AutismDadd

            So Z666 isn’t up on ACTUAL research and instead relies on emotional reaction.

          • joe

            And where is your research?

          • AutismDadd

            And yours?

          • joe

            I asked first.

          • AutismDadd

            But didn’t supply first.

          • AutismDadd

            Its hardly a new claim. Shows you are without knowledge.

          • joe

            Total B.S.

          • AutismDadd

            Poor joe, in total denial. Aren’t you the former marine? Have Gulf War Syndrome? PTSD? Know any others with these or high rates of cancer in the military? Ever oppose a vaccine in the military? Even know you were a test subject?

          • joe

            There are people that live outside the U.S.A. Oh dear I forgot you would not know that. Pea brain

          • AutismDadd

            OK poopy face

          • Pat R

            LOL. Did you even read your own linked article? Between 4-500? Really? Here’s the actual stats on measles from the CDC ”

            Measles Cases

            From January 1 to January 27, 2018, 9 people from 4 states (Arkansas,
            Illinois, Indiana, and Texas) were reported to have measles.

            In 2017, 118 people from 15 states and the District of Columbia were
            reported to have measles. In 2016, 86 people from 19 states were
            reported to have measles. In 2015, 188 people from 24 states and the
            District of Columbia were reported to have measles. In 2014, the United
            States experienced a record number of measles cases, with 667 cases from
            27 states reported to CDC’s National Center for Immunization and
            Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD); this is the greatest number of cases since
            measles elimination was documented in the U.S. in 2000.

            https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html

          • joe

            You did not read my link did you? It states that BEFORE vaccination between 4 to 5 hundred died every year just in the U.S.A alone And your numbers confirm the benefits of vaccination THANK YOU for admitting vaccination works.

          • Mike Stevens

            …450 dead from measles each year prior to vaccination;
            …One dead in the last 10 years;–

            Thank you vaccines!

          • Larry Flood

            are you seriously pointing to the cdc for your answers… come on man .. really ??? show me the scientific proof .. not the bureaucratic bullshit.. do you even know who runs the cdc … and their backgrounds..???? you need to dig deeper my friend .. there is more out there than what the sheep are being sold…. yes SOLD!!!!!!!

          • AutismDadd

            And what caused you immune system to stop working and allow cancer to grow?

          • joe

            The reply would be too complicated for your tiny pea brain

          • AutismDadd

            Don’t want to admit it…of course.

          • joe

            Well it was not vaccination, in fact there is NO one that knows what causes this particular cancer to grow, and that includes you Pea Brain.

          • Acleron

            It is difficult to envisage how anybody as ignorant as you manages to function, does mommy still do up your shoelaces?

          • Stupid People Hater

            Not to mention the fact that if women would breast feed their babies would have all of the immunity’s that the mother had without having to get those wretched shots. But these days, women care more about themselves and their own personal freedoms than they do about doing what is best and right for their baby. Hence the new bottle fed generation.

          • AutismDadd

            The classic Seat Belt gambit.

          • joe

            CORRECT

        • FallsAngel

          Jacobson v Massachusetts, 1905.

          • Mary S

            Jacobson v Massachusetts, a
            1905 US Supreme Court decision, raised questions about the power of
            state government to protect the public’s health and the Constitution’s
            protection of personal liberty. We examined conceptions about state
            power and personal liberty in Jacobson and later cases that expanded, superseded, or even ignored those ideas.

            Public health and constitutional law have evolved to better protect both
            health and human rights. States’ sovereign power to make laws of all
            kinds has not changed in the past century. What has changed is the
            Court’s recognition of the importance of individual liberty and how it
            limits that power. Preserving the public’s health in the 21st century
            requires preserving respect for personal liberty.

            Source- Abstract : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1449224/

          • FallsAngel

            Jacobson has never been overturned and it’s been used to uphold other mandates such as Zucht v King.

          • Mary S

            Thank You, Agreed, as stated it supports “…recognition of the importance of individual liberty and how it limits that power.”

        • Cheri Casper

          Ut I bet you are against abortion, right? Decisions about one’s body is only applicable if it is something you agree with. Failure to vax your kid endangers chjldren who have fragile or compromised immune systems, but you never think about others. It is all about self absorbtion.

          • Mary S

            Cheri, way off track about my views.

      • sabelmouse

        The 50s/60s were pretty good actually. improved living conditions and so on. who died and what from?

        • joe

          Children died from measles and Polio, you have been told this many times.

          • sabelmouse

            like flies!

          • Matt Hines

            By you. Lol. So what. How old are you?

          • joe

            What has my age got to do with anything.

        • Mike Stevens

          “The 50s/60s were pretty good actually. improved living conditions and so on. who died and what from?”

          Well, let’s see shall we Sabel?
          Take a look at the charts below. They record the average and peak annual death rates from the diseases you think killed nobody. The last column shows the decline in the number of deaths following vaccine introduction.
          Enjoy*

          *You have shown us before how much you liked to laugh at deaths from disease.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba4629b4357de7ecaa37febba4222cc046500f0d6a2ec4944ce7fa8d9c44a46b.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1378066dda65553dc9b4efb6b929acd974ea5215831de85fc3314fea98604517.jpg

          • ciaparker2

            Weren’t we talking about the ’50s-’60s? Polio was eliminated by the vaccine by the late ’50s. I’ll give you that one. I think it was likely that diphtheria was controlled by the vaccine long before the ’50s, and tetanus too. Pertussis was no longer a dangerous disease by the ’50s, even without the vaccine. Measles, mumps, and rubella were not dangerous in children. It would be better to make sure that all girls got natural rubella before childbearing age. Also true that we really don’t know what would happen if many people stopped vaxxing for it. It wasn’t a problem before the ’40s, hadn’t even been identified, it’s probable that it was the mercury in medical products which turned it into a monster for unborn babies.

            Hib was not a problem before the DPT: it became a problem because of it. If we stopped giving the very dangerous, ineffective pertussis vaccine, it might go back to not being a problem now.

            When I was a child, there were no contagious diseases that anyone worried about. And that was before the MMR, Hib, Prevnar, varicella, hep-A, hep-B, Gardasil, meningococcal, rotavirus, and flu vaccines. We were happy, healthy, active, no one had autism (well, one or two in 10,000, but I had never heard of it, unlike now), we played, went to school, went camping, rode horseback, choir, scouts, music lessons, and NO ONE HAD GOTTEN ANY OF THE VACCINES for the diseases just listed, NO ONE I KNEW OR EVER HEARD OF had a severe or fatal case of any of them. I think that’s what Sabel meant.

      • bwf309

        I was there and bulls**t!

        • joe

          NO you were not there because if you WERE there, you certainly would not want to go back there

          • FallsAngel

            He’s a lying liar, Joe.

          • joe

            Yeah big time

          • FallsAngel

            Unless bwf was living on another planet, if he were alive in the 50s he certainly heard of polio epidemics. My husband had a cousin (note past tense) who died in the polio epidemic of 1949, the last big epidemic before the last biggest epidemic in 1952, as development of the vaccine was underway.

          • JoeFarmer

            Claiming there weren’t epidemics of Polio (& other VPDs) is like saying there was never segregation in the South.

            I really don’t get what they’re trying to accomplish beyond rather amateurish deflection. But they do it so often I wonder if it’s to convince themselves.

      • Elizabeth Alice Haywood

        “Measles deaths were virtually nonexistent prior to introduction of vaccine, which is now triggering outbreaks

        Not long after it was introduced, the first measles vaccine was actually found to manifest worse symptoms of measles in vaccinated patients than if they hadn’t gotten the vaccine at all. ”

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c9b1529091e9544f77d41514bdce512cbc246f3b66d07ccd52a06127a8545d1d.jpg

        Parents concerned about their vaccinated children potentially contracting measles from unvaccinated children may want to consider the fact that the bigger health threat is technically the vaccine, not the disease itself. Comparative data provided by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reveal that nobody has died from measles in more than 10 years, while at least 108 deaths reported in VAERS during the same time frame have been linked to measles vaccines.

        Many of our older readers probably remember a time when measles wasn’t viewed with the obscene level of paranoid hysterics being witnessed today. Like chickenpox, measles was a common childhood infection that, after running its typically mild course, imparted lifelong immunity in those who contracted it. The risk of serious complications or death from measles has always been overwhelmingly minimal, in other words, with previous generations viewing it as something of a rite of passage.

        Fast forward to today and all rationality and common sense has gone out the window on this issue. The media is reporting a few isolated cases of measles as if it were the black plague, calling for those who don’t vaccinate their children to be ostracized from their communities or even jailed for “putting others at unnecessary risk.” But where are the facts in all this unsubstantiated mania, which unfairly tags the unvaccinated as dangerous lepers?

        Once again, the media is discarding factual reporting in favor of mindless sensationalism, attributing an alleged measles resurgence — even this claim is specious — to the unvaccinated. Whether or not this claim is actually true pales in importance compared to the fact that measles really isn’t much of a threat in the first place. The measles vaccine, on the other hand, is a whole different story.

        “There have been no measles deaths reported in the U.S. since 2003,” the Associate Press reported based off statements made by Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

        Meanwhile, VAERS, which captures only a very small percentage of the actual number of injuries and deaths associated with measles vaccines, reports at least 108 deaths associated with measles vaccines since 2003. Of these, a shocking 96 deaths were reported in conjunction with MMR, which is now the preferred vaccine for measles immunization.
        Measles deaths were virtually nonexistent prior to introduction of vaccine, which is now triggering outbreaks

        Not long after it was introduced, the first measles vaccine was actually found to manifest worse symptoms of measles in vaccinated patients than if they hadn’t gotten the vaccine at all. The vaccine also suppressed the normal rash and fever associated with measles, obstructing the normal immune response and ultimately leading to future health problems for vaccinated individuals once they reached adulthood.

        “[W]hereas natural measles exposure generally left the person with reliable lifelong immunity, measles vaccines leave the individual with waning immunity,” adds IMCV. “This dynamic of waning immunity means we will probably see measles epidemics even in highly vaccinated populations.”
        Sources:

        http://www.globalresearch.ca/measles-vaccines-kill-more-people-than-measles-cdc-data-proves/5429736
        http://vaccineimpact.com
        http://www.healthsentinel.com
        http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org
        http://science.naturalnews.com

        http://www.globalresearch.ca/measles-vaccines-kill-more-people-than-measles-cdc-data-proves/5429736

      • Stupid People Hater

        The point is that, it’s not your decision to make. Everyone should have the right to determine and decide for themselves and their families weather or not they want that poison going into their child’s body. If you want to vaccinate that is your right. And what in the hell are you worrying about anyway if you’re vaccinated? You won’t get those diseases. So shut the fu*k up and let other people make their own choices.

        • joe

          So you have the right to drive a car whilst drunk?, thereby endangering the lives of other motorists. Through no fault of my own, my immune system is compromised which means if your child is not vaccinated and is carrying the measles virus then coughs on me I DIE, where is MY right to live. Where is the right of an infant that is too young to be vaccinated and your disease carrying child coughs on that infant resulting in his death, What about his rights. YOU don’t have the right to risk my life because of your stupidity.

          • Stupid People Hater

            Nobody said anything about driving while drunk. And if your immune system is compromised then you are not going to want to be around people anyway. Especially children. Everyone knows that they always have colds, runny noses, etc. And if you have already had the measles vaccination you should not have anything to worry about ass hat. It seems to me that you have forgotten that people have lived through thousands of years WITHOUT vaccinations. Vaccinations are a relatively NEW science, and one that I may add is a very dangerous one. You make your decisions and let everyone else make theirs. It is not up to you to dictate what happens in everyone elses lives. If you are sick stay at home away from other peoples illnesses.

          • joe

            You really are a “Stupid people hater” Yes in the “old days” parents had 8-10 kids and they were lucky if one or two survived due to death from measles and other vaccine preventable diseases, tell me ass hat, why do we no longer have smallpox? Do you know ass hat that before vaccination between 400 to 500 died each year from measles just in the U.S.A. alone?. Do you want to go back to those days? I was there and I can assure you, it was not nice.Stop spreading FUD.

          • Stupid People Hater

            Seriously dude you really have some controlling issues. My grandparents had 13 children, none vaccinated. The only one that died did so as a complication of childbirth. You are a paranoid self absorbed ass hat who thinks he has to control everyone elses lives when what they do does not concern you. Do you remember when people with a contagious terminal illness such as TB were locked up in asylums in order to protect the public health? Well they don’t do that anymore now do they? We also have people walking around out there working in restaurants and having sex with people who have no idea that they have AIDS. Now how fair is that I ask? Don’t talk to me about you being afraid of people who don’t get vaccinated until you freakin worry about all those fu*kers walking around with HIV. Serving you food with cuts on their fingers. Not washing their hands after they take a leak. Suck it up butter cup and leave everyone else alone. Until you want to lash out at these other issues.

          • joe

            Why don’t we have smallpox any more? still waiting. why don’t we have 400 per year dying from measles? still waiting. when your disease carrying child coughs on me , IT IS MY CONCERN. The topic here is vaccination NOT HIV. They do not lock up TB patients any more because we can treat it now ass hat

          • Stupid People Hater

            FUD??? First of all Don’t assume that everyone knows what your stupid acronyms mean. And yes, I truly am a “Stupid People Hater” it comes with years of experience from dealing with them…..

          • joe

            FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt)

          • Stupid People Hater

            I actually replied to this but for some reason it never posted. Joe, no one is even talking about driving while drunk. This does not even apply here. And since you know that your immune system is compromised you are smart enough to know that you don’t need to be around germ carrying individuals be they children or adults. Everyone knows that children always have a runny nose, cough, etc. But if you have been vaccinated why are you worried about someone coughing on you who has measles? You are vaccinated. You are a grown up individual who is smart enough to know to stay away from people while your immune system is compromised. Also the right of the infant lies with the mother who should be breast feeding her child since that is the only way they get immunities the God given way in life. If she does this the child will get all of her immunities and never has to worry about getting a shot in the first place. I’m tired of dealing with idiots who are so self absorbed, “like women who are more concerned with their own comforts than the welfare of their children” giving them who knows what in an infant formula made by a company who does not have your best interests at heart. People who think their way and their life is more important than others. Every action results in a reaction. And people need to mentally grow up and take responsibility for their actions or lack of actions. No one is risking your life man, if you are stupid enough to go out in public with all of the man made flu viruses, colds, TB, sexually transmitted diseases, etc. then you are the one showing Stupidity.

          • joe

            I have already replied

          • joe

            I have replied and I am waiting for my answers to my questions.

          • joe

            I have never read a bigger pile of gish gallop in my life. STILL WAITING FOR ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS.

          • Stupid People Hater

            Dang man, just how many different accounts do you have? Bored Now/aka/Demaris Forsythe and now joe? Dude if you would just read the post above instead of shouting in all caps, I answered your stupid ass questions.

          • joe

            Accusing me of having more than one account tells me that you really have a problem, you have no responsibility to your fellow man, you only think of yourself and have no consideration for anyone else, if you think vaccination is so dangerous, provide one link that shows anyone from dying as a result of vaccination.That is my question.

          • Stupid People Hater

            Again the point is that it is not up to you to Lord your opinion over others who don’t share your opinion. Everyone should be free to make the best decisions for their family based upon their own conscience. They have recently come out with new vaccinations for preventing certain things that have caused death in 13 year old girls. The new shingles vaccination actually causes shingles and a multitude of other stuff. If you think the government has your best interests at heart just look back at the tuskegee syphilis study when they had antibiotics to cure these men but they held it back in order to see just how horrible of a death they would endure as a cause from it. I’m done talking to you.

          • joe

            So no evidence, thought so.

          • Acleron

            It tells me that SPH probably does have multiple accounts.

          • joe

            AAHH Yes the old I do it so you must be doing it GOTCHA.

    • James B

      Idiot !

    • David Thaler

      Fine, fine. And if your kid dies after contracting measles from my kid who survives, you’re OK with that, right? Or maybe neither kid had to get sick because the big bad “poisonous” vaccine would have prevented it.

      • Stupid People Hater

        It’s called minding your own business. You mind yours and everyone else will mind theirs.

  • On the Mountain

    Bless you Mr President, for standing up for what’s Right!May God Keep you strong in the fight!

  • Appleton is #1

    Why can’t I smoke in restaurants?

    • Appleton is #1

      I should be able to CHOOSE.

      • Laura

        I am a smoker and I have zero issue not smoking in restraunts. To me it is like farting at the table. Rude. At home if everyone smokes then fine but inside a public restaurant it is just rude. Bars are a different story though. Getting drunk and smoking go hand in hand, lol

        • chrismalllory

          It should be up to the owner, not the government.

    • Fingal Carson

      Thank dope-smoking hippies.

    • Minnie van Goh

      Because it harms others, not just yourself….but either you actually don’t know that, or you don’t care. Either way, wrong.

      • chrismalllory

        And if a restaurant allows smoking you should be free to go some place else. Your wishes should not trump the rights of the property owner.

    • ImajWalker

      When they had the ‘smoking’ and non-smoking areas it was just fine.. but I guess that would make us happy so they had to get rid of that.
      I agree though… some places like Casinos etc still allow it.. Wonder HOW they get away with that? MONEY in some legislators pocket maybe?

  • Tina Whisnant Sinicki

    This is great news although I’m not personally anti-vaccine but, it’s a step in the right direction as I hear that Florida is looking to make the HPV vaccine mandatory. Now, an investigation into the research & testing procedures by the pharmaceutical companies-especially those vaccines that are ‘fast tracked’ needs to take place. AND there needs to be an investigation into the ‘relationship’ (i.e. Conflict of interest) between the CDC and the pharmaceutical companies. AND he needs to revise the whole thing with pharmaceutical companies not being liable for vaccine injuries- it’s a perfect business model for the pharmaceutical companies but, as it stands, they are not held accountable.

    • Mark Bell

      They are held accountable. They make the payments into the vaccine injury fund. If, say, one-in-a-million people are injured with vaccines, it’s reasonable that society compensate them.

      And we had nineteen cases of polio on the planet last year. We are this close to eliminating it.

      We did this with smallpox, but now well-off people in the rich countries are forgetting.

      • Mihai Conta

        You,full of shit

        • Mark Bell

          A vigorous, intellectual reply, for sure.

          Check around. Smallpox really has been eliminated from the planet Earth. While you’re wishing I am full of shit, my white labcoat people have saved tens of millions of people from that disease. Polio is just about to go. That’s what my team does, while the other side sells fear and sells supplements.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d4e89e6cb66c023fa4946e22edcf3fb046b4f918fdc840196b6f207eb7b754c.jpg

            Newsflash:They do not vaccinate for Small Pox. So it is pretty foolish to credit vaccination with eradicating it in this century.

            What about these other issues caused by injecting toxic metals, cancer causing chemicals complete with Polysorbate-80 to carry it over the blood brain barrier into tiny infants? Ever heard of anyone with one of these?

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            1)At what dosage are they linked to those?
            2)How does it compare to the dosages in vaccines?

      • Phydeux

        And that’s the BIG risk of this. People forget the horrors of children in an iron lung, so now they think it’s fashionable to be an anti-vaxxer and tell the authorities what to go do with themselves.

        For those who’ve forgotten what polio, an easily vaccinated disease, does to people, here’s a reminder of a children’s iron lung ward:

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bbabec083945903daf3925d99a8fc04affbde482049dd3c79e13883c37a5db76.jpg

        • Nichole Jane

          You are highly misinform. There were thousands of polio cases in India. Might I add vaccine-induced polio. You can thank the Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation for that. The iron lung LOL silly boy. The iron lung is what we call a ventilator today. Get over yourself and stop trying to scare people. Polio is asymptomatic in 95% of people and 4% it acts like a flu and less than 1% can become that scary paralytic iron lung polio. Excuse me those were the original statistics. But the CDC website went under renovation now it says 75% of people with polio will be asymptomatic 23% will have flu-like symptoms and less than 3% will have that scary paralytic polio. Oral polio is a live vaccine and it can cause polio itself. A man in Rhode Island was paid out Millions for catching polio from changing his daughter’s poopy diaper. Vaccines keeping these deadly so-called eradicated diseases alive is what the problem is. If you don’t understand or never picked up a book on epidemiology then of course she would not understand how microbial bacterial and viral infections take their courses. Smallpox was well on its way out way before the vaccine came about. And if you look up the history of the Salk vaccine for polio. There was three main scientist trying to make a vaccine and problems kept coming up. Problems like the vaccine actually causing the polio. Problems like the virus sv40 which was admitted by the government as oops accidentally getting into millions of doses of polio vaccines. Infecting millions of Americans with that cancer-causing virus. Sv40 look it up. Merck is the main manufacturer of childhood vaccinations. The latest lawsuit or charges excuse me not lawsuit brought on them where fraud charges for lying about the efficacy of the MMR vaccine. In fact Merck has been convicted multiple times of fraud. Including other pharmaceutical Giants. Do you remember Bayer dumping hiv-tainted hemophiliac drugs in other countries because they found out about it here in the United States and we’re no longer allowed to sell it or use it in the US. So they knowingly dumped it in other countries one of them being France period in France the government went after the pharmaceutical reps and put them in jail. But here in the United States they got a free pass. High officials in the CDC including the head of the CDC have worked for the big pharmaceutical companies and people who work and big Pharma go work for the CDC it’s a revolving door. It is a multi-billion if not trillion dollar a year industry. Do you really think that they have your best interest at heart, or want you to be well so they don’t profit anymore… LOL at the very least that is naive but really it’s just willful ignorance. And if you still go for this crap after researching and seeing all the corruption from the lobbyists working in Congress and the revolving door between the CDC FDA and big Pharma… and after picking up a book and studying the so-called science behind it … So very much flawed…

          • richardruscoe

            Thankyou for your knowledgeable comment. And I believe that was 98 million vaccines contained SV40. There is evidence that it wasn’t an accident. Sorry, labcoat, and full of shit, don’t read enough critical information. I’d like to mention the fluoride to them but I’m pretty sure that would be pushing it.

          • Elizabeth A Haywood

            50 years later the CDC admits the polio vaccine was tainted with a cancer causing agent, and “coincidentally” more than half of your family, friends and loved ones over 50 are battling cancer in some form or another (or have lost the battle by now)…… BUT, present day vaccines are not in any way, ahem, tainted. Even though there are massive recalls and loads of data regarding vaccine injury, permanent disabilities induced by vaccines and vaccine related deaths.

            FDA/CDC: It takes decades for us to admit to anything – well, at least until the statute of limitations runs out.

            http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/it-only-took-50-years-cdc-admits-polio-vaccine-tainted-with-cancer-causing-virus/

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        • Skepticalofskeptics

          That picture is from the Cutter incident. You are a clueless fool (or a very bad troll).

          “In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western
          USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of
          inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there
          were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination
          programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations
          revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family
          firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving
          200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.”

          • Phydeux

            My point wasn’t WHO CAUSED the polio.

            My point was to show the kind of suffering there was BECAUSE OF POLIO.

            Yes, the Cutter incident was tragic, but the image still illustrates the importance of vaccinations and the potential result of not getting them.

          • kfunk937

            Not to mention, the photo precedes the Cutter incident.

          • Mike Stevens

            It’s you who is the clueless fool.
            The picture is from the Rancho Los Amigos National Rehabilitation Center in Downey, California USA.
            http://www.polioassociation.org/pictures.html

            It predates the Cutter incident by 2 years.

        • Elizabeth A Haywood

          The Cutter disaster was completely unnecessary which is what Dr Offit will never tell you, as polio is/was a man made disease, from DDT which got into the milk supply or circulating in the air from crop spraying (as shown by researchers: Jim West, Ralph R. Scobey, M.D., and Morton S. Biskind, M.D.) and medical injections such as antibiotics and vaccines themselves. Yes, vaccines were and are a major cause of polio!
          “The vaccination programs are irrelevant to the decline of polio, while pesticides correlate perfectly with polio. The unfunded, ostracized theory of poison causality far exceeds all other theories in simplicity, exactitude, and directness regarding correlations within all data areas: dosage, physiology, etiology, epidemiology, economics, and politics.”–Jim West
          Salk vaccine was easily proven useless, cases went up after they introduced it and they haid the fact by calling it something else! Aseptic meningitis.
          and they knew it was useless:
          “Go to your medical library, and ask to see the United States Polio Surveillance Unit’s bulletins, from 1955 to 1970.
          They will be listed as “missing”.
          Every single medical library in USA, that someone checked out for me, and New Zealand (and possible other countries) has them listed as “missing”.
          There is only one place you can see them, as far as I know, and that is in the AMA library, and they are listed as having top security clearance requirements to see, according to someone who tried to access them.
          Why might this be? When he was alive, Dr Ratner had copies of them at his home. He gave me many of the years’ data I wanted. They clearly showed that from the inception of the SALK vaccine, to it’s discontinuation, the vaccine had MINUS efficacy and was actually causing more polio in the vaccinated than in the unvaccinated.
          Any studious person looking at Government stats in retrospect, would be able to easily see that the polical and media canonization of SALK and his vaccine was a mirage of duplicity upon duplicity.”——Hilary Butler
          The vaccine was a great racket to hide the effect of DDT, as can be deduced by the man who headed up the March of Dimes, Dr Kumm. During World War II he had served as civilian consultant to the Surgeon General of the U.S. Army in Italy, directing field studies for the use of DDT against malarial mosquitoes in the marshes near Rome and Naples!!
          And the fad for tonsillectomies made it worse, hence bulbar polio and iron lungs.
          so how can you prevent pesticide attack with a vaccine? They even went around spraying with DDT as they said it was spread by flies!!
          secondly, they knew it was toxic but went ahead and released it anyway!
          http://www.whale.to/a/cutter_incident.html
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        • Elizabeth A Haywood

          Notice how this Hollywood set did not bother to include any electrical cords for their fake iron lungs.

      • deniseldthomas

        That’s not the same as ‘accountable’. The pharmaceutical companies, vaccine manufacturers, physicians and nurses giving the injections, can not be sued even when they knowingly produce vaccines that are deadly. (It’s been proven that for the HPV vaccine they didn’t use a true placebo in testing, they used another vaccine!-What a crock?!) The vaccine court (which is a kangaroo court) does not prosecute the vaccine industry. It only compensates families who have the financial resources to go to court and spend a ton of money and many years defending themselves.

        • Phydeux

          They can’t be sued because the government is the one mandating they provide these vaccines. And the pharma companies who manufacture them do so according to government requirements. So it’s the government who takes accountability when something goes wrong. And what other way is there to compensate someone who has a rare and unfortunate misadventure with a vaccination? You can’t undo it, can’t go back in time, you can only help offset the cost of future treatment. And the best way to do that is by keeping a compensation fund for those rare individuals affected negatively.

          Remember, there are NO guarantees in life. Not vaccines, not airbags, not your mother’s love. The only certainty is death will come for you at some point.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

            Of course you can sue someone who knowingly manufactured deadly vaccines since that would be a manufacturing defect and it’s only design defects that are pre-empted by NVICP.

            This is for Denise L.D. Thomas but I can’t reply directly to them so…

      • comeonnow
  • courtney legault

    I hope this is true! Govt needs to stay out of people’s medical decisions! Vaccine herd immunity isn’t going to save anyone and forcing people to vaccinate their infants who could react is medical fascism!

  • CatoYounger

    Gee, lets just throw away the single biggest public health advance in human history. Damn conspiracy theorists. If any of you understood logic, math, or science you’d know that your ideas are not just wrong, they’re kooky wrong. If vaccines are given to almost everyone, then you will still have all the same health problems as any population of people would have – the vaccines didn’t cause them! They would still happen in the absence of vaccines. I personally am glad we no longer have TB sanitariums or Iron Lung wards. Already, some diseases thought extinct to start making a comeback. We have you anti-vaxxers to thank for that.

    • Mary S

      Oh man Cato, we have watched too many children and adults get sick, often die, shortly after vaccinations and the diseases continue to linger in our communities spreading from vaccinated children. WE KNOW that ALUMINUM and MERCURY damage the BRAIN, especially in children, yet they are adjuncts (look it up) in these vaccinations… why? it makes them cheaper to produce. Vaccinations are NOT fully tested or proven to work for safety of human health, especially the annual flu shot. Vaccinations reduce the bodies ability to fight disease, damages the immune system long-term. Statics show parallel increases in autism, ADAD, Alzheimer’s, Dementia, the list is long. Our pets are also being over vaccinated and injected with dangerous toxins as well. A small 5lb dog gets the same dosage as 100 lb dog and mandatory requirements are 2-3 year repeat again in most cities… excess kills.
      This ruling is just a step back to SANITY of years ago… I am in my 60’s strong, healthy vaccinated as suggested years ago, meaning polio and one or two, MMR vac. did not yet exist, I got the measles and my natural exposure immunity from my siblings prevented me from getting mumps and chicken pocks and these immunities have lasted a lifetime as titer testing proved later in life.
      Todays Vaccinations are NOT even proven to last a life time. Children who have healthily immune systems will recover quickly or not get sick at all when exposed to “childhood diseases”. Today our children are subjected to combined, in one shot, some 15 vaccinations (I have forgotten the # I believe it is higher) before age one and more again before school at 4 or 5 years. Now they want all college students to be vac’d before admission.. this must stopped. I am not a fan of our current President but he has a child he loves and he knows this must be corrected.

      • Skepticalofskeptics

        It’s adjuvants not adjuncts – but your points are still valid.

        • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

          No, they’re really not valid at all.

      • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

        Despite amazing to possess some intelligence, you are dangerously misinformed. Please find better sources.

    • Elizabeth A Haywood
      • Brian

        You’re right. There’s not one peer reviewed article. There are thousands.

        Anti vaxxers just have their heads in the sand.

    • Elizabeth A Haywood

      Cato-there is so much ignorance in your entire statement. Whoever tried to brainwash you into thinking they vaccinate against TB in the United States is completely wrong. If you think having a fever and a rash for 3 or 4 days is worse than a lifetime of seizures and brain injury caused by having aluminum, aborted fetal cells and cancerous substances injected into you, you are the problem, I hope you double up on everything!

      For the ones who actually employ any critical thinking skills at all-these toxic injections have one purpose–This is simply all depopulation. Clearly all the agents, the aluminum, mercury, aborted fetal cells, formaldehyde, squalene, polysorbate-80, fluoride, the soft metals, are all a a toxic brew targeted at the reproductive system and the nervous system. The target tissue of these agents reveal their purpose and intention.

      It is harsh to say this, but, it is very much the case that Natural Selection is using vaccination to remove the stupid and gullible gene from our population. The fact that parents do it to their own children greatly increases the effectiveness of the program.

      • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

        You continue to impress with your voluminous quantity of baseless nonsense, conspiracy theories, and pseudoscience.

      • ɹǝdɯoʇs ɥʇʎɯ

        “…Natural Selection is using vaccination to remove the stupid and gullible gene from our population.”

        Ah. So that’s why you don’t want to get vaccinated.

  • wilamb

    I’m so appreciative to President Trump for standing up to these issue. This is the people’s President and we are so fortunate to have him.

    • Mary S

      I too am grateful that he is standing up to this issue… He has a son he loves and that is who he is standing up for.

    • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

      He is anything *but* the people’s president. He cares about nothing but himself. He lost the popular vote by 3,000,000, and his approval has continued to drop since then. He is a complete and utter failure.

  • creditelectric

    hello polio

    • Pamela Samash

      Polio was disappearing before vaccines.

      • creditelectric

        What does that prove? Better sewerage management? Vigilant parents who made sure their kids were vaccinated? Never ever heard of anyone having a reaction to vaccination.
        It was found again at the local sewerage treatment plant in December 2017,I don’t know how you can claim that it has disappeared. We can be thankful that pathologists are being vigilant & open which is the nature of good scientists. Why did it re appear after an absence of many years?

      • Brian

        Just the opposite, in fact. In the USA, polio incidence was the highest it had ever been just before the vaccine came out, and then plummeted, permanently, soon afterward.

    • Elizabeth A Haywood
      • creditelectric

        Superstitious bunkum.

    • Elizabeth A Haywood

      13 Things You Didn’t Know About Polio
      1. In the 1800’s a popular wallpaper called Paris Green was infused with a potent pesticide. Some of the most toxic substances known to man: copper and arsenic or lead and arsenic.
      2. This pesticide worked by causing neurological damage in the bugs, causing organ failure.
      3. Polio consists of symptoms synonymous with neurological damage, causing organ failure.
      4. Heavy metal poisoning from lead, mercury and other similar heavy metals manifest lesions on neurological tissues, meaning the toxin destroys the nerve/communication pathways connecting the brain to the organs in the body.
      5. Polio victims present lesions on neurological tissue, that cause the organs to malfunction all around the body. (lungs, heart, nerves that control walking etc)
      6. Polio outbreaks hit throughout the summer, only during pesticide spraying times. (not the sunless and damp winter/spring seasons like other disease outbreaks)
      7. Polio had NO ability to spread from infected victims to the uninfected. Polio infected clusters of people in the exact same areas, suddenly and swiftly.
      8. Parents report finding their children paralyzed in and around apple orchards. One of the most heavily pesticide sprayed crops of the time (with lead arsenate or copper arsenate) were apple orchards.
      9. President Roosevelt became paralyzed over night while on his farm in the summer, which contained many crops, including apple orchards. He also swam the day prior in a bay that was heavily polluted by industrial agricultural run off.
      10. Dr. Ralph Scobey and Dr. Mortind Biskind testified in front of the U.S Congress in 1951 that the paralysis around the country known as polio was being caused by industrial poisons and that a virus theory was purposely fabricated by the chemical industry and the government to deflect litigation away from both parties.
      11. In 1956 the AMA (The American Medical Association) instructed each licensed medical doctor that they could no longer classify polio as polio, or their license to practice would be terminated. Any paralysis was now to be diagnosed as AFP (acute flaccid paralysis) MS, MD, Bell’s Palsy, cerebral palsy, ALS (Lou Gehrig’s Disease), Guillian-Barre etc etc. This was orchestrated purposely to make the public believe polio was eradicated by the polio vaccine campaign, but because the polio vaccine contained toxic ingredients directly linked to paralysis, polio cases (not identified as polio) were skyrocketing…but only in vaccinated areas.
      12. The first polio vaccine was worked on by Dr. Jonas Salk and human experiments using this vaccine were conducted purposely on orphans in government/church run institutions because they were vulnerable and didn’t require any parental consent signatures, as they had no parents. The vaccine was “declared safe” by “medicine” (as they always are) and that vaccine gave 40,000 orphans polio, permanently paralyzed hundreds and killed at least 10 children. All injuries and deaths under-reported of course by the same authorities who orchestrated the atrocity. This was called The Cutter Incident.
      13. The next “improved” polio vaccine, given to hundreds of millions, carried both the SV 40 cancer virus as well as the AIDS virus. Every step of the way, medicine declaring they know for sure, that this time, they have everything straightened out. Same story then, same story now.
      *For more information check out our Facebook group…
      The Truth Group
      https://www.facebook.com/groups/1802528433369203/

      • Brian

        Your conspiracy doesn’t make any logical sense… which I guess is why you beliwve it.

      • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian
      • Mike Stevens

        Polio is due to Paris green wallpaper?
        Wow. I guess they had a lot of that in those 3rd world villages.

      • Proponent

        Elizabeth Alice Haywood: “*For more information check out our Facebook group… The Truth Group”

        Let’s take a look..

        “The Truth About Vaccines
        Funeral Service & Cemetery in Asheville, North Carolina”

        Oh, my..

    • Elizabeth A Haywood

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      Children given Salk’s vaccine were more likely to be paralyzed in their arms, more likely to suffer severe and permanent paralysis, more likely to require breathing assistance in iron lungs, and more likely to die than children naturally infected with polio.7

      The so-called “Cutter Incident” led to the recall of Salk’s Cutter vaccine and the eventual replacement of the Salk IPV with the attenuated (weakened) live oral polio vaccine (OPV) developed by Albert Sabin, MD and introduced in 1963. (A modified inactivated Salk vaccine was re-introduced in the 1990s after the only cases of polio occurring in the U.S. were vaccine strain polio cases because live OPV can cause vaccine strain polio in the recipient or a close contact of a recently vaccinated person shedding live vaccine strain polio virus in body fluids.)8

      But the fact that some improperly inactivated lots of the original polio vaccine paralyzed and killed American children was concealed from the public for a long time.

      In their book Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History, Suzanne Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk write, “You may be wondering how this information was concealed from the public for nearly fifty years. Congressman Percy Priest ordered and chaired a full investigation of the vaccine controversy.”)9 According to them, Congressman Priest, who represented the 6th District of Tennessee, admitted in 1956 that,

      … in the previous year (1955) many responsible persons had felt that the public should be spared the ordeal of ‘knowledge about controversy.’ If word ever got out that the Public Health Service had actually done something damaging to the health of the American people, the consequences would b terrible… We felt that no lasting good could come to science or the public if the Public Health Services were discredited.”9

      Two key points to note here. First, the problem with the Cutter-produced vaccine should have come as a surprise to the scientists and public health officials who were familiar with the development of the Salk IPV. According to Dr. Humphries and Bystrianyk:

      The Salk invention was an injectable, supposedly formaldehyde-inactivated version of poliovirus vaccine. There were serious problems with the viral inactivation process that were known by insiders from the outset of the vaccine’s development.9

      Unfortunately, whenever scientists involved in the vaccine’s development raised concerns that poliovirus had not been fully killed, they were “rapidly subdued.”9

      As a result of ignoring the warnings by highly qualified scientists who repeatedly and publicly explained why and how the inactivation process was flawed from the beginning, the vaccine virus needlessly infected, paralyzed, and killed children and their household contacts.9

      Secondly, Cutter Laboratories was not the only manufacturer of the the Salk IPV. Wyeth Laboratories also produced a defective Salk vaccine that caused paralysis. Other pharmaceutical companies are believed to have done so, as well. But only Cutter’s vaccine was recalled. This means that, potentially, tens of millions of doses of improperly inactivated “live” Salk vaccine were sold and injected into children in the U.S. and around the world until the “inactivated” Salk vaccine was replaced by the live oral Sabin vaccine in the early-1960s.

      This may help explain, at least partially, why the cases of polio in the U.S. increased by 50% from 1957 to 1958, and by 80% between 1958 and 1959.10 According to Bernard Greenberg, PhD, head of the Department of Biostatistics at the University of North Carolina School of Public Health:

      In five New England states cases of polio roughly doubled after polio vaccine was introduced. Nevertheless in the midst of the polio panic of the 1950s, with pressure to find a magic bullet, statistics were manipulated by health authorities to give the quite the opposite impression.10

      Keep in mind that these dramatic increases in polio following the introduction of the Salk IPV occurred shortly after the U.S. government had already significantly relaxed its guidelines for diagnosing polio. In 1954, the government redefined polio. I wrote about this other little detail of history that has been widely overlooked in my article “Polio Wasn’t Vanquished, It Was Redefined.”11 Dr. Greenberg explained this classic example of government sleight of hand…

      https://idsent.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/the-salk-polio-vaccine-tragedy/

      • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/submissions/ Sudanese LH Gardening Rake

        Then you’l have no problem citing that so we can all see the quote in situ….right?

  • Pamela Samash

    I’ve been praying for this for years. God bless President Trump!

    • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

      If there was any proof that God does not exist, it is the rise to power of someone as dangerously stupid as donald trump.

  • Elizabeth A Haywood

    Thank God Parents won’t be forced to sterilize, kill and disable their children by the Pharamaceutical Lobbyists and the Eugenists who want to kill off all the other races except their own and who unfortunately own the banks, the Lamestream Media and Big Pharma.

    We were heading in a terrible direction, with 50 million Americans suffering from Autoimmune Diseases, 30 million suffering from deadly food allergies, 1 in 20 suffering from seizures, cancer, Alzheimer’s Disease and Neurological disorders caused by the injected poisons skyrocketing to affect over HALF of America’s Children. These poisons caused disorders our Grandparents who lived before the vaccine program began had NEVER EVEN HEARD OF-now who among us does not know anyone with cancer, autoimmune diseases, epilepsy, a deadly food allergy or ADHD that is forcing people to completely drain their bank accounts and paying it all to Big Pharma and the Rockefeller Controlled Medical Industry to try to keep their loved ones alive? It was a crime what those psychopaths were will to do to the children of this country, making it the country with THE HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY RATE and the SICKEST children in the industrialized WORLD!!!

    THANK GOD SOMEONE IS GOING TO GO TO BAT TO GET THEM TO STOP POISONING OUR FAMILIES AND LOVED ONES.!!

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    • FallsAngel

      The black helicopters will soon arrive.

    • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

      Do you have any stats on asthma rates from 1950s or before? What about seizure rate? Neurological disability rate? How about ADHD rate? Autism rate? Oh yes, we knew little about autism back than and nothing about ADHD so we just kicked those kids out of school. We sent the severely disabled to institutions. We ignored anyone with a learning disability and they flunked out. Most kids who had seizures just died young as there were no meds. Premies died because we could not save them. Nowadays, premies mostly survive but many live with seizures and cognitive disabilities, lending to those stats.

      You are ignorant of both science and history.

  • Mark Bell

    T has done so much harm. But he is often surprisingly ineffective. This is based in part on his broad ignorance.

    He is ignorant that the Supreme Court upheld required vaccination about 100 years ago. And as a consequence our society completely eliminated smallpox.

    But now, look. People have forgotten the fear of infectious disease.

    There were nineteen cases of polio last year. On the planet Earth.

    And now we have forgotten the fear of polio.

    • ImajWalker

      ALL THE DISEASES were MAN MADE created for EUGENICS
      Do your research… yes even AIDS
      Seems you can’t trash Trump enough… thank GOD people have woken up
      and the only ones LEFT are the ignorant and brainwashed
      I hope they come around soon.. the Chemtrails have their brains fogged!

      US Government admits spreading sexual diseases in the population
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUtgvaFpFN0

      • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian
        • Ron Roy

          No it’s a selfie. Don’t you even recognize yourself?

          • shay simmons

            Says the “troofer.”

          • Ron Roy

            Aw. shady can’t come up with a logical reply.

          • shay simmons

            Pointing out that you never met a conspiracy you didn’t embrace is a logical reply, Ron.

            How are the Illuminutti doing these days? Are they still ordering the US Navy to murder sentient dolphins?

          • Ron Roy

            That’s Illuminati and even George Washington warned us about the Illuminati:
            George Washington letters warning about the dangerous Illuminati
            “I have heard much of the nefarious, and dangerous plan, and doctrines of the Illuminati” – George Washington – 1798
            The original letters can be seen on the Library of Congress website (search for illuminati)

          • shay simmons

            “That’s Illuminati. ”

            You’re right. The Nutti are those who believe in them.

          • Ron Roy

            GEORGE WASHINGTON’S WARNING TO AMERICA:

            “It
            was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati,
            and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the
            contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am. The
            idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges
            of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to
            propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles
            of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation). That Individuals
            of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to
            found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had
            these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their
            Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.” (George Washington, shortly before he died, read John Robison’s book Proofs of a Conspiracy and
            immediately expressed his belief to the preacher who had sent it to
            him, that the designs of the Illuminati were infecting our country. Letter to Reverend G. W. Snyder, Writings of George Washington, p 518-519.)By any other name:“Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the
            best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as
            ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to
            build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one
            world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud
            of it.”” – David Rockefeller, from his book “Memoirs”.

          • Proponent

            George Washington?

            Sure, let’s take a look..

            “The following year, George Washington, as commander-in-chief of the Continental Army, ordered mandatory inoculation against smallpox for any soldier who had not gained prior immunity against the disease through infection. The procedure in that era was known as variolation, intentionally exposing someone to a mild form of the smallpox virus (Jenner would not develop the smallpox vaccine until 1796). For the British Army in the North American colonies, inoculation was voluntary.

            As a result of Washington’s orders, the Continental Army was the
            first in the world with an organized program to prevent smallpox. Some historians have suggested that if smallpox inoculation had been performed earlier, the smallpox outbreak among Continental soldiers in Quebec could have been avoided—speeding up the conclusion of the Revolutionary War and potentially allowing for the addition of some or all of the British colony of Canada to the United States.”

            (Source: The History of Vaccines | “U.S. Military and Vaccine History” )

            If interested, see also: RealClearScience | “How George Washington Used Vaccines to Help Win the Revolutionary War” )

          • Ron Roy

            The real history of the smallpox vaccine:

            Today’s CDC doesn’t seem to want to give us real information,
            surprise, surprise, on the positive effects of vaccinations, if there
            are any. But studies for the very early days are available when people
            still acted with character. Before the inception of the CDC
            in 1946. And they discover the first study by Alfred Wallace published
            in 1889 between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals for the first
            Small-pox vaccine entitled, Vaccination: Proved Useless & Dangerous.

            The study’s conclusions based on forty-five years of registration statistics concluded the following (p 4):

            – That during the forty-five years of the Registration
            of deaths and their causes, Small-pox mortality has very slightly
            diminished, while an exceedingly severe Small-pox epidemic occurred
            within the last twelve years of the period.

            – That there is no evidence to show that the slight decrease of Small-pox mortality is due to vaccination.

            – That the severity of Small-pox as a disease has not been mitigated by vaccination.

            – That several inoculable diseases have increased to an alarming extent coincidently with enforced vaccination.

            The first two claims were proved from the Registrar
            General’s Reports from 1838 to 1882. The results were indisputable,
            presented in figures and graphs for the entire period, so that data
            could not be manipulated.

            The author noted that during this time period, a decline
            in deaths from Diarrhea and Typhus was six times greater than the
            decline in deaths from Small-pox due “to more efficient sanitation,
            greater personal attention to the law of health, and probably also to
            more rational methods of treatment.”[1]

          • bubbiesbub

            smallpox caused birth defects.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            HEY, you fucking moron, figure out the difference between mortality and morbidity. When you do, alert the media, as a miracle will surely have occurred. You are as dumb a fucking ass as anyone has ever seen.

          • Ron Roy

            Speaking of DUMB. Demented Forsythe how much are the drug companies paying you? They certainly are not getting their moneys worth.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            So you don’t know the definition of “morbidity?” I suspected as much. I make fun of fools like you for free.

          • shay simmons

            Didn’t read the link, did you?

          • JoeFarmer

            Rhetorical question if I’ve ever seen one.

          • shay simmons
          • SciGuy

            Like candy from a baby.

          • Bored Now

            Even…George Washington?! Wooooooooooooow!

            Seriously. The reverence some Americans have for their Founding Fathers is kind of mystifying to those of us up north.

            (Props to shay for the historical Illuminati context)

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Ummm, brilliant.

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/foreignpolicyeconomicsforum/ JerseyJeff78

        Not much of a student of biology, I see….

      • Proponent

        I applaud your use of negative space.. as it serves to highlight and underscore your ignorance.

      • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

        Holy shlt! Please don’t breed! Jfc!

      • Bored Now

        Are you a real person? I have trouble imagining how you function in society.

        • Stupid People Hater

          My grandparents had 13 children, none vaccinated. The only one that died did so as a complication of childbirth. You people are paranoid self absorbed ass hats who thinks they have a right to control everyone elses lives when what they do does not concern you. Do you remember when people with a contagious terminal illness such as TB were locked up in asylums in order to protect the public health? Well they don’t do that anymore now do they? We also have people walking around out there working in restaurants and having sex with people who have no idea that they have AIDS. Now how fair is that I ask? Don’t talk to me about you being afraid of people who don’t get vaccinated until you freakin worry about all those fu*kers walking around with HIV. Serving you food with cuts on their fingers. Not washing their hands after they take a leak. Suck it up butter cup and leave everyone else alone. Until you want to lash out at these other issues.

          • Bored Now

            This is sort of what I mean. How do you shop for groceries without breaking into irrational rhetoric non-sequitur-mania? Is everyone where you live too polite to say anything? Or are there pockets of society which simply accept this?

          • Stupid People Hater

            We are all dealing with the same issues. Some people realize the issues, some deny that it’s real and some can not even come to grips that it’s even actually a thing. Regardless we are all still going through the same issues. Some of us see behind the facade and see the underlying motives. We are the ones who have a harder time sleeping at night because we are trying to figure out ways to wake others up to the true story. I worry about the ones who refuse to believe until it is upon them.

          • Bored Now

            Again, you provide an excellent example of what I’m talking about. What I envision is a normal human situation for you, like eating at a restaurant would go something like this:

            Waiter: What side would you like with that?
            SPH: Do you remember when people with a contagious terminal illness such as TB were locked up in asylums in order to protect the public health?
            Waiter: Uh we have fries, baked potato and a house salad. You can have a Caesar or sweet potato fries for an extra $1.00
            SPH:We are all dealing with the same issues. Some people realize the issues, some deny that it’s real and some can not even come to grips that it’s even actually a thing. Regardless we are all still going through the same issues.
            Waiter: So what…fries then?
            SPH:Ronald McDonald is a capitalist stooge!!!

          • Stupid People Hater

            LMAO! You’re an idiot!

          • Bored Now

            So what would you say when the waiter asks you what you want as your side? If you wouldn’t respond with something like: “Do you remember when people with a contagious terminal illness such as TB were locked up in asylums in order to protect the public health?”

            Then you actually have the ability to listen to the question/topic and respond in a relevant fashion. In which case you might consider applying that skill here.

          • Stupid People Hater

            I hear guys with a little penis feel like they have to get the last word, so I’m gonna let you have little bit! Hahahaha

          • Bored Now

            I hear guys with a little penis feel like they have to get the last word, so I’m gonna let you have little bit!

            Wow! So we have a “If you keep doing X a random person on the internet is going to think Y of you!”, an admission of phallic-orientated self-validation and to top it all off a “Despite all appearances I’m actually letting you do this”.

            That’s a lot of insecurity to put on display in a single sentence m’friend. I applaud your candor.

          • Stupid People Hater

            See I knew you couldn’t resist, Lmao

          • Bored Now

            Why wouldn’t anyone take the opportunity to demonstrate your insecurity and/or ignorance?

            Pro-tip: Claiming “You couldn’t resist X” implies there some reason not to do X. All you’ve offered so far is that if I reply you’ll respond by fantasizing about a part of my anatomy.

            I undestand that, to you there’s a threat in there somewhere. I’m just not sure why.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Nope. You are. Do you support my “right” to drive drunk if I choose? To smoke wherever and whenever I want? Get fucked. You don’t have a “right” to put others at risk for diseases. You can home-school your kids.

          • Stupid People Hater

            There are already “Laws” on the books that say you can’t drive drunk, and you can’t smoke wherever you want. I’m sure that no one gives a f*ck if or how you get f*cked unless you are spreading HIV around knowingly, then you would most likely go to prison for killing people. You should keep your sick ass at home and worry about your own problems and allow everyone else to handle their own problems. They should not be forced to have poison injected into their children because you are afraid of something that you have already been vaccinated for jack ass.

          • Acleron

            The compassion and empathy shines like a flashlight through black glass.

          • Stupid People Hater

            Where is your compassion and empathy on people who choose not to be shot up with who knows what?

          • Acleron

            I have great compassion for people who believe your nonsense and choose to increase the risk of dangerous disease and especially for the children of antivaxxers who have no choice. In all the recent outbreaks of measles, the unvaccinated have been infected predominantly leading to about 40% being hospitalised, about 1 in 1000 to 1 in 2000 dying, some being maimed for life, all survivors having reduced immune function for up to three years and risking further death through SSPE. So where is your compassion when you advocate for these events?

            BTW, we do know what goes into vaccines and nothing is toxic at the dose given.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            “Who knows what?” You never took a chemistry class you could pass, did you? It shows. There isn’t a single ingredient in a vaccine that is harmful in the amount used. Stop being such a weak tit.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            There are already laws in every state requiring vaccination for school attendance, ass-wipe. In 3 states, PBEs are not acceptable and those who don’t vaccinate will have to home-school their kids. You and others like you are going to see your states impose similar restrictions because of your ignorance. You don’t have unlimited rights. You don’t seem to grasp the comparison.

          • Stupid People Hater

            Hey Demaris Forsythe I think you forgot to log out of your “other” account before you posted….. You can go back to the Bored Now account anytime you are ready shit wad, Lmao!

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Oh, yeah, altruism is just dripping out of every one of your pores.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Nobody cares about your anecdote, Stupid. My grandmother had triplets. She was an upper middle class woman, married to a minister and living in a nice house in suburban Philadelphia. Their house had indoor plumbing, and the family was well-fed. When their triplets were born healthy, they were thrilled. At a year of age, the triplets became ill and two died. The third was left mentally impaired from the high fever they all suffered. You can shove your idiocy right up your privileged ass.

          • Stupid People Hater

            Well so happy she was so well to do. See where that got her? I only wish I had a privileged ass, then maybe I could sit home on it all day like you do instead of working. Your stupid “story” has nothing to do with what I was even talking about. No mention of vaccination or not. Maybe you can just kiss my ass Demaris because you sure as hell got nothing better to do.

          • Demaris Forsythe

            Read your own post, dummy. You posted an anecdote. You seem to be under the misapprehension that yours means more than mine. It does not. Just because you claim that your grandparents had 13 kids they didn’t have vaccinated and were lucky that none of them suffered serious complications from VPDs, you imagine that is meaningful statistically. It is not. For ever story like yours there are stories like mine. I know you need to have pictures to follow a thought, but I’m out of crayons just now. Ask your mommy for help. You do not have a right to put others at risk for diseases that can and do kill and disable. It’s a fact.

          • Stupid People Hater

            It just dawned on me that you must have been the one mentally impaired, so sorry man.

      • Stupid People Hater

        I firmly believe this is a fact. I believe that the government creates these diseases and uses them upon their own citizens in order to figure out how to use it on the enemy. We would be fools to think otherwise.

        • Demaris Forsythe

          You “firmly believe?” Based on what, you clown?

      • Demaris Forsythe

        What an idiot you are.

  • Miljana Jevtic

    Trump is the best!!! Big Pharma, bound to Trump.

    • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

      Fck dumpf. He’s a global embarrassment and weapons-grade stupid.

  • ImajWalker

    You weren’t BORN to be SLAVES.
    Bill Gates even suggests denying healthcare to people over 70 in his plan to
    DEPOPULATE the World…
    Please RESEARCH further and WAKE UP!
    Bill Gates wants to depopulate using Vaccines
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQXvekHejLc

    • Mark Bell

      But Gates does not say that.

  • ImajWalker

    Bayer Exposed HIV Contaminated Vaccine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeMYl_UH8Mo

  • http://www.desireerover.nl Desiree Rover

    Let’s hope there is not another sick judge blowing off this initiative…

  • Mark Bell

    From a friend of mine. Turns out the report is fake. So the anti-vax folks will have to keep wishing that T would back them up.

    IF this article accurately depicted the situation on children’s vaccinations, this is where I would be extremely vocal AGAINST any move to protect anti-vaxxers. The first thing I did was go directly to the HHS website and from there , to this new Division. It rapidly became clear that snippets were misused to indicate that anti-vaxxers were going to “win their fight”. Not only does this Conscience and Religious Freedom Division NOT deal with children’s vaccinations AT ALL, I then searched the entire HHS site for anything about validating anti-vaxxer’s totally unfounded convictions. What I found was the complete opposite . HHS is adamant that children must be vaccinated, for all the reasons we already know. I am aware of Trump’s waffling on thks issue . I researched that also. The most current pieces I found on his stance was from a year ago. In every instance, Trump’s words were twisted and said to indicate that he would be moving to make accommodations for the antis. While he is indeed disturbingly ignorant on this topic , his only stance actually taken was that perhaps the vaccinations could be spread out a bit. He did stupidly draw a correlation between autism and vaccinations, but I was unable to discern how many times he may have actually drawn that connection because as I continued to read it became clear that many places were reporting one instance but attributing it to different talks . More telling, I think, were reports of his assertion that recommendations for vaccines would be based on science rather than opinion. Still, it bears a close watching for a few reasons. First, while the President has no actual say-so about vaccines or their scheduling, any waffling could sway public opinion. Second, it is always possible that language in HHS directives could either be hidden from plain sight (akin to “you can keep your doctors) or be vague enough for anti-vaxxers to use to wriggle out of mandatory vaccination laws like the ones Mississippi and California have enacted. (Maybe there are other states too, I just happen to know about those two.)
    In summary, the article above is merely a propaganda piece to get the anti-vaxxers riled up and on the move again. It might be kind of fun to watch when they try to use it only to learn that it is only intended to not for (for instance) a hospital run by nuns to perform abortions or help with assisted suicides!
    Maybe the First Lady could be the standard bearer for promoting all children being vaccinated!! I wonder if it would have a more positive effect than the “Just Say No” campaign??

  • Phydeux

    Oh you STUPID STUPID FOOLS!

    Why do you think no one dies of Polio anymore? Because of mandatory vaccination policies.
    Why was Polio vaccine made mandatory? Because it WORKS.
    There have been no indigenous cases of Polio in the US since 1979.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10f18b813bf8c7ac450909b515d6c62a1d64b4711b3419f0a76721922ff30b08.jpg

    And if you stop requiring vaccinations, people will get lazy or decide they don’t need it, and suddenly America loses it’s collective herd immunity and people start getting those diseases again. If you don’t believe that’s a risk, look at measles rates in California going up, same with other childhood diseases we’d all but eradicated.

    If you want to strip off your body armor and march through no-man’s-land on a battlefield, that’s your right. But don’t set your children up to be defenseless to diseases that kill.

    • Mark Bell

      And nineteen cases anywhere on the planet, last year.

      India has eradicated the disease – and I’ll tell ya what, they didn’t do it though fancy sewer systems, which are not that common in the countryside. But vaccination is.

    • Elizabeth A Haywood

      Why do you think 1 in 2 Americans will die of cancer in their lifetime? Why do you think CANCER has become the leading killer of children under 18? In today’s World, your children will have a higher chance of getting Cancer than getting married or having a child.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2dbfd0e2eadb1b1bbd2441c082de3792f7be4424919772d1e71e8f0584faf7c4.jpg

      One of the most prominent vaccine scientists in the history of the vaccine industry — a Merck scientist — made a recording where he openly admits that vaccines given to 80 million Americans were contaminated with leukemia and cancer viruses.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QiSV_lrDQ

      In response, his colleagues (who are also recorded here) break out into laughter and seem to think it’s hilarious. They then suggest that because these vaccines are first tested in Russia, they will help the U.S. win the Olympics because the Russian athletes will all be “loaded down with tumors.” (Thus, they knew these vaccines caused cancer in humans.)

      • FallsAngel

        Do provide a cite for this cancer death rate.

        • Jack Sprat

          Who needs cites when ya all got memes

      • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

        Wow. Just. Wow. First, let’s see citations for your claims, and then consider that more people are dying from different cancers because they aren’t dying significantly sooner from diseases we can now treat or prevent.

  • Amy

    Vaccinate your children.

    • Elizabeth A Haywood

      I sure hope you do!

      As for the smart parents out there–This is simply all depopulation. Clearly all the agents, the aluminum, mercury, aborted fetal cells, formaldehyde, squalene, polysorbate-80, fluoride, the soft metals, are all a a toxic brew targeted at the reproductive system and the nervous system. The target tissue of these agents reveal their purpose and intention.

      It is harsh to say this, but, it is very much the case that Natural Selection is using vaccination to remove the stupid and gullible gene from our population. The fact that parents do it to their own children greatly increases the effectiveness of the program.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3fe678fda02076c328802dc6814abeb0a862deaae7666d3935cef82b99b39d3f.jpg

      • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

        You really need better sources for your information. Just being honest.

  • Skepticalofskeptics

    Cue online pHARMa trolls in 3, 2, 1…..

    • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

      Oh, you mean doctors and scientists with advanced degrees who actually know what they’re talking about? Cool!

      • AutismDadd

        You mean who know what they are lying about.

        • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

          Time to renew the cranial tinfoil, dadd.

          • AutismDadd

            Time for you to get new material

        • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

          Why would we lie? There is nothing to be gained from lying in this situation.

          • AutismDadd

            Not even $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?

          • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

            Explain where this money is coming from, and how I get mine.

          • AutismDadd

            I can only guess it involves tourism

    • AutismDadd

      Yep there’s FSMpastrami and his minionisms

  • dr tony cellini

    This is total FAKE NEWS. The epitome of controlled opposition. No one wishes it were true more than I, trust me, but it’s not. If you actually trace down their “source” paragraph and actually read it you’ll see this entire phony thread is being extrapolated by from that one paragraph. None of their conclusions drawn from it has any basis in fact. We should have seen the red flag at the outset when the name Tim Bolen comes up. And the other knuckledraggers who write for his site. Big on brainless editorializing, conclusions, and name calling , short on actual research and provable fact. We say- All hat, no cowboy. The giveaway is that they are not intelligent or articulate enough to be holding forth on the topics they’re addressing. Controlled opposition– in this case, the extreme left posing as Trump supporters in an attempt to show how cretinesque/quixotic and autistic this side really is. Look at the geniuses below, who actually bought it. Shows you the IQ of the average speedreading sheepster…

  • Pilgrim

    With autism numbers now 1 child in 36, this is terrific news! A few days of an illness, with proper care and rest, will build the immune system in a natural way, giving lifetime immunity to chicken pox, measles, mumps, etc. With fresh air, exercise, and a plant-based diet, a person can develop a strong immune system that will be an aid when the body gets a virus or bacterial infection. Common sense and care are the answers, not some crazy injections with aluminum adjuvants that hyper stimulate the immune system causing a myriad of injury to the body and mind. Where there is risk, there must be choice.

    • Brian

      Vaccine don’t cause autism. The unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so it’s obvious the two aren’t related.

    • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

      You are ridiculously uninformed.

      • Pilgrim

        Del Bigtree recently went to Mississippi to speak to legislators regarding the religious exemption vaccines. I think you might find this presentation interesting. The statistics given for his talk are from the CDC and HSS I read on the topic of vaccines daily, so I may have a different conclusion than you, but I am informed. Blessings to you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAP_k4YD9pA

        • Brian

          And now we see why you are misinformed.

          Del Bigtree is a crackpot.

          A magic eight ball is a more reliable source.

          • Chris Garvey

            Ad hominem argument.

          • Brian

            Would you like me to explain how Bigtree is a crackpot and an unreliable source of information?

        • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

          Del Bigtree is a clueless shill, and promoter of baseless pseudoscience for Wakefraud. Don’t confuse informed with misinformed. Keep in mind that statistics without the foundational background to understand them are easily misinterpreted.

          • Pilgrim

            My last comment to you. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is an environmental lawyer and can and has read hundreds of scientific research documents that are available regarding vaccines. His career has been dependent on his competency in successfully understanding science. Del Bigtree is a medical journalist who has also done extensive research and has read the available research. Neither Del Bigtree nor Robert F. Kennedy Jr. are beholden to pharmaceutical companies or any governmental health agencies, so your slur of calling Bigtree a shill is unwarranted. Suzanne Humphries MD, a board-certified nephrologist, and Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, an osteopathic medical doctor–also a board certified doctor in three medical specialties, are spokespeople on the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Both of these doctors have done thousands of hours of research and have many videos available on youtube helping lay people understand vaccines. The government shapes its policies and gets their data from the companies who make the vaccines, and this is problematic. There are a few excellent docu-series available on youtube called, Vaccines Revealed, where many doctors and health professionals interviewed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHWeJ0f_o3A&t=163s Blowing smoke is not a credible argument.

          • Brian

            Wow! you included several quacks and scam artists in one post!

            I always laugh when you say these crackpots have done “thousands of hours of research”, when they haven’t managed to get any of their “research” past peer review. Anyone can make youtube videos.

      • Chris Garvey

        Ad hominem.

        • Brian

          Nope.

    • FallsAngel

      Common sense isn’t very common, as you have just demonstrated. Cute bumper sticker talk,too.

      • Chris Garvey

        Ad hominem – attacking the arguer instead of the argument.

        • FallsAngel

          The autism rate is not 1 in 36 unless you are counting a lot of people on the spectrum as well.

          Chickenpox is usually about a week of being contagious. Yes, one usually (but not always) gets lifetime immunity. About 1/3 also get shingles later on, as the virus never leaves the body. Shingles can be excruciatingly painful and can drive one to suicide. There were about 100 deaths annually in the US before the vaccine; about half of those were in adults who got it when their kids got it.

          Measles is more than a few days of illness. It was called “the two week measles” for a reason. “Proper care” lol, blame the caregiver if the child has complications. 30% of measles patients have complications up to and including death both at the time of illness and much later due to SSPE, permanent hearing and vision loss, permanent loss of intellectual capacity due to encephalitis. Yes, you get permanent immunity. You can also get the vaccine, and avoid all the other.

          Mumps leaves you contagious to others for at least five days after the swelling starts. It can cause sterility in adolescent and older males.

          Etc: I don’t know what you’re talking about.
          Source: CDC

          With fresh air, exercise, and a plant-based diet, a person can develop a
          strong immune system that will be an aid when the body gets a virus or
          bacterial infection.

          None of the above will stimulate your immune system to develop one antibody. There is little evidence that a plant-based diet is “healthier”.

    • Chris Garvey

      Vaccines Autism link
      Here in NY there are “only” 17 vaccines required for school registration.
      NJ, with its high autism, requires 30 doses of vaccines.
      Alabama, which Walter Zahorodny [A NJ health official being interviewed on WNYC] cites as low in autism, requires only 10 doses.
      Correlation?
      Perhaps the state-to-state autism variation is not due to the measurement differences?

      Apr. 02 2012 11:09 AM
      http://www.wnyc.org/story/197065-autism-rates-rise-new-jersey/
      Walter Zahorodny, assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey in Newark, discusses the reasons why New Jersey’s autism rate is one of the highest in the country, according to a report released last week by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Zahorodny was the lead researcher on the New Jersey portion of the study.
      ————————
      And a few more minutes of looking turned up this correlation:
      “But thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with thousands of Amish children in rural Lancaster: They have never been vaccinated. And they don’t have autism. “We have a fairly large practice. We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we’ve taken care of over the years, and I don’t think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines,” said Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst’s medical director who founded the practice in 1973.”
      http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2005/12/07/The-Age-of-Autism-A-pretty-big-secret/UPI-68291133982531/
      —————————
      If vaccines work so well, why would you worry that your vaccinated kids would catch the diseases you vaccinated them against?
      Don’t the vaccines make them safe?

      • Brian

        The unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so it’s obvious the two aren’t related.

  • Mary S

    Excellent documentary with discussion on both sides of this debate.
    “The Truth About Vaccines”
    You must register, they do not over use your email. The viewing is 7 episodes the first & 7th are 2 hours long the others are a little over an hour each… This knowledge may help us all find common ground and find a way to protect our citizens rights and maintain disease control.

    https://go.thetruthaboutvaccines.com/?a_aid=1619624&a_bid=ae3563aa

    • Mark Bell

      Yeah. About that. They’re pretty anti-vax. That’s the side that is presented to advantage.

      • Elizabeth A Haywood

        We hope you continue to vax, if you so desire. As a population control measure, you wiping out your family line cuts down on the issues our kids will have with overpopulation. So it would be AWESOME if you ignore all of the information and continue to get all of the vaccines! This info is for parents who actually don’t want their kids to get seizures, be sterilized, or die from cancer.

        Move along, move along, nothing to see here Mark…..

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6bb811ef7b6cb16436531f11b2f9f0a2b5c04df87d0070bb252afad2aa0d47ec.jpg

        • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

          Lmfao! That’s great. Haven’t laughed so hard in days!

      • Mary S

        Mark,, I have viewed only the first 2 hours so far. I do agree that most of these medical professionals want change to the vaccination protocol but they are NOT anti-vax or against immunization. They are against what they are seeing in their patient populations that was not evident years ago. They see healthy children become sick, they see toxic short-term vaccinations being mandatory without educated truth or informed consent.
        I am against the – “go to jail” status that is more and more becoming AMERICAN medicine. I would accept my grandchildren catching an annoying case of measles any time over ADHD or Autism for life.

        • Mary S

          I do not know who you are and you do not know me… but I wish you and your family Love, Joy Peace and most of all wellness.

        • FallsAngel

          What are you talking about with this “go to jail”nonsense? No US state jails people for not vaccinating.

          Your grandchildren could die or lose their vision, hearing and/or mental capacity from measles.

        • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

          Every single person in that series is rabidly antivax and makes money off of the products and videos they sell you in lieu of you getting vaccinated. Some of them are lying about the science.

    • http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/ FSMPastapharian

      There aren’t two sides to this “debate.” It’s science vs. bullsht.

    • https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/a-provaxer-watched-vaxxed/ Kathy

      I saw the whole thing and blogged the lies and mistruths of each episode, one post at a time. Here is episode #1

      https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/the-truth-about-vaccines-episode-1-top-ten-lies-debunked/

      Here is my post about the “experts” who spoke

      https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2017/04/19/truth-about-vaccines-who-are-the-experts/

      You can find the rest in my index.

  • Elizabeth A Haywood
    • Elizabeth A Haywood

      The Cutter disaster was completely unnecessary which is what Dr Offit will never tell you, as polio is/was a man made disease, from DDT which got into the milk supply or circulating in the air from crop spraying (as shown by researchers: Jim West, Ralph R. Scobey, M.D., and Morton S. Biskind, M.D.) and medical injections such as antibiotics and vaccines themselves. Yes, vaccines were and are a major cause of polio!
      “The vaccination programs are irrelevant to the decline of polio, while pesticides correlate perfectly with polio. The unfunded, ostracized theory of poison causality far exceeds all other theories in simplicity, exactitude, and directness regarding correlations within all data areas: dosage, physiology, etiology, epidemiology, economics, and politics.”–Jim West
      Salk vaccine was easily proven useless, cases went up after they introduced it and they haid the fact by calling it something else! Aseptic meningitis.
      and they knew it was useless:
      “Go to your medical library, and ask to see the United States Polio Surveillance Unit’s bulletins, from 1955 to 1970.
      They will be listed as “missing”.
      Every single medical library in USA, that someone checked out for me, and New Zealand (and possible other countries) has them listed as “missing”.
      There is only one place you can see them, as far as I know, and that is in the AMA library, and they are listed as having top security clearance requirements to see, according to someone who tried to access them.
      Why might this be? When he was alive, Dr Ratner had copies of them at his home. He gave me many of the years’ data I wanted. They clearly showed that from the inception of the SALK vaccine, to it’s discontinuation, the vaccine had MINUS efficacy and was actually causing more polio in the vaccinated than in the unvaccinated.
      Any studious person looking at Government stats in retrospect, would be able to easily see that the polical and media canonization of SALK and his vaccine was a mirage of duplicity upon duplicity.”——Hilary Butler
      The vaccine was a great racket to hide the effect of DDT, as can be deduced by the man who headed up the March of Dimes, Dr Kumm. During World War II he had served as civilian consultant to the Surgeon General of the U.S. Army in Italy, directing field studies for the use of DDT against malarial mosquitoes in the marshes near Rome and Naples!!
      And the fad for tonsillectomies made it worse, hence bulbar polio and iron lungs.
      so how can you prevent pesticide attack with a vaccine? They even went around spraying with DDT as they said it was spread by flies!!
      secondly, they knew it was toxic but went ahead and released it anyway!
      http://www.whale.to/a/cutter_incident.html

      • shay simmons

        Polio pre-dates DDT.

      • Mike Stevens

        Whale, huh?
        Scopies law disqualifies your ignorant rant.

        • FallsAngel

          But the reptilian overlords said. . .

    • Brian

      Except that this photograph was taken three years before the Cutter incident, so you’re obviously lying… again.

  • Elizabeth A Haywood

    80-100 Million Polio Vaccines contaminated with cancer-is it any surprise 1 in 2 Americans will get cancer in their lifetime? Is it any surprise that Cancer is the #1 Killer of children under the age of 18?

    Depopulation at its finest. It’s a great way to weed the stupid and gullible gene out of our population-and especially effective that parents are brainwashed into doing it to their own childrn!!

    Vaccines Can Cause the Very Disease They’re Meant to Prevent, and Worse

    For years, researchers suggested that millions of vials of polio vaccine, contaminated with SV40, infected individuals between 1953 and 1963 and caused human tumors, and by 1999, molecular evidence of SV40 infections were showing up in children born after 1982. Some experts now suggest the virus may have remained in the polio vaccine until as late as 1999. Still, the FDA and health authorities turned a blind eye.

    In addition, just like Gardasil may well increase your risk of cervical cancer rather than reduce it, the live polio vaccine has also been found to cause polio. And, in rare instances the virus in the vaccine has even been known to mutate into a much deadlier version. As reported by MSN News in 2009, genetic analysis has proven such mutated viruses have caused at least seven separate outbreaks in Nigeria. According to the CDC the last case of wild polio in the US—meaning polio caused naturally and not due to the live polio vaccine—occurred in 1979. From 1980 through 1999, there were NO wild polio cases in the US.

    Instead we had 144 cases of vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) caused by live oral polio vaccine. Polio outbreaks in Haiti and the Dominican Republic in 2002 were also traced back to a strain of oral polio vaccine (OPV) that mutated back to virulence.

    According to a report by Neil Z. Miller of the Global Vaccine Institute, the live polio virus from the vaccine can remain in your throat for one to two weeks and in your feces for up to two months. So not only is the vaccine recipient at risk, but he or she can potentially spread the disease to others. In 1999, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommended that the United States replace the live-virus vaccine with an inactivated “killed” virus vaccine, which is what remains in use today.

    However, the inactivated polio virus vaccine has not been without its share of serious side effects either.

    Rotavirus Vaccine Contaminated with Pig Virus Last year, the US FDA suspended the rotavirus vaccine Rotarix after an independent lab discovered it was contaminated with “a substantial amount” of DNA from the porcine circovirus. In pigs, this virus causes poor growth, weight loss, weakness, enlarged lymph nodes, skin rashes, difficulty breathing, jaundice, stomach ulcers, and sudden death.

    – See more at: http://vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/02/18/60-lab-studies-now-confirm-cancer-link-to-a-vaccine-you-probably-had-as-a-child/#sthash.H4RkNbgd.dpuf

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    • shay simmons

      Can you offer a plau