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Historic Chemtrails Lawsuit Filed In Canada

Chemtrails lawsuit filed in Canada

An historic lawsuit has been filed in Canada in an effort to expose and halt the practise of chemtrails being sprayed into the atmosphere. 

The suit claims that the Canadian and US governments are conducting a geoengineering program that aims to spray toxic substances and particles into the atmosphere – endangering the lives of millions of citizens.

Geoengineeringwatch.org reports:

For over a year GeoengineeringWatch.org has been communicating with and forwarding data to Canadian attorneys (in addition to the US team of attorneys we are working with) in the effort to get legal action in motion.

This effort has now reached fruition, Geoengineering Watch wishes to express our most sincere gratitude to the attorneys in Canada (and the US attorneys) for their diligent and ongoing work in this most critical battle. Excerpts from the Canadian legal filing are below.

CLAIM

Nature of the Proceeding:

1. This is a mass-tort and environmental Proposed Class Proceeding in respect of the spraying into the atmosphere of toxic substances and particulates by the Defendant that is dangerous to human health, destructive to the environment, and has caused meaningful economic damages.

A Declaration that the aerial discharge of coal fly ash and/or other contaminants contravenes the Canadian Environmental Protection Act and appurtenant Regulations;

A Declaration that the aerial discharge of coal fly ash and/or other contaminants contravenes the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms;

c. An interlocutory and a final mandatory order directing that the Defendant comply with the Canadian Environmental Protection Act and appurtenant Regulations;

An interlocutory and a final mandatory order directing that the Defendant comply with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms;

An interlocutory and a final mandatory Order that the Defendant immediately cease and desist the ongoing aerial discharge of coal fly ash and/or other contaminants or substances;

Facts:

On various dates, the Plaintiff observed that certain aircraft discharged trails comprising of white particulate like matter (“Aerial Discharge”), and which Aerial Discharge would persist and often span across the horizon and across the length of the sky.

The Aerial Discharges slowly dissipated, formed a thin, hazy film across the sky, and would obfuscate the sun’s rays.

The Aerial Discharges dissipate across ranges of altitudes, including lower altitudes. Thus, the Aerial Discharges dissipate in the lower altitudes which include the air that the Plaintiff, his family and the potential members of the Class breath.

The Plaintiff pleads that the Aerial Discharges are comprised of minute particles that are toxic and/or are easily absorbed into the body and the environment, and are thus dangerous when absorbed into the body or the environment.

The Plaintiff pleads that the Defendant, and/or her agent’s or instrumentalities perform the Aerial Discharges over Canadian air space.

The Plaintiff further pleads that the Defendant knows or ought to know that the Aerial Discharges are dangerous.

Negligence

11. The Plaintiff relies on his pleadings above.

12. The Plaintiff pleads that the Defendant has a duty to not perform actions that are dangerous to the Plaintiff and proposed Members of the Class. The Plaintiff reiterates his pleadings that the Defendant engaged in the performance of the Aerial Discharges, the Aerial Discharges are dangerous, and that the Defendant knew or ought to have known that the Aerial Discharges are dangerous.

The Defendant has breached her duties to the Plaintiff and the proposed Class by engaging in the performance of the Aerial Discharges.

The Plaintiff further pleads that the Defendant’s actions have caused meaningful damages to the Plaintiff and the proposed Class Members. The damages include, inter alia, serious injury and, in some cases, death;
emotional and psychological trauma; non-pecuniary damages; pecuniary damages; and loss of income.

Nuisance and Trespass

The Plaintiff relies on his pleadings above.
The Plaintiff reiterates his pleadings that the Aerial Discharges are performed by the Defendant in Canadian air space.

The Plaintiff also reiterates his pleadings that the Aerial Discharges dissipate into the lower atmosphere.

As a result, the Plaintiff pleads that the Aerial Discharges permeate and saturate the air breathed-in by the Plaintiff and potential Class Members, and thus, cause serious health problems and injuries.

Further, the Plaintiff pleads that the Aerial Discharges also infect, saturate and damage the environment, public property and private property.

Additionally, the Plaintiff pleads that the Aerial Discharges interfere and impede with the quiet use and enjoyment of the property of the Plaintiff and the potential Class Members.

The Plaintiff pleads that as a result of the foregoing, the Plaintiff and potential Class Members are entitled to the relief sought in paragraph 4 herein.

The Plaintiff proposes that this action be tried in the City of Toronto.

The efforts toward legal action in the US are also pressing forward as rapidly as possible, we hope to have initiation of the US filing underway in the next few weeks.

Support for the non profit “Stop Geoengineering Legal Defense Fund” is critical in order to keep the legal efforts moving forward. Our legal efforts are not affiliated with any other groups, organizations, or websites.

Though the forward momentum of the legal efforts are extremely important and valuable to the cause of exposing and halting climate engineering, it is imperative for activists in the field to understand and remember that the front line grassroots awareness raising efforts are still critically important, now more than ever. Exposure of the legal effort needs to be circulated as widely as possible.

This will assist with alerting activists and the public to the ongoing court proceedings which will hopefully help with producing mass public attendance at such proceedings. Reaching a critical mass of awareness on the geoengineering issue is the great imperative of our time, all are needed in this effort.

Waking the still sleeping masses to the ongoing atmospheric aerosol assault MUST BE our TOP PRIORITY, please, help us in this all important battle to sound the alarm.

  • http://www.IssuesOutline.org/ markyoung12

    Thank you. God Bless this class action. I’ve recorded the chemtrailing for the past several years. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm1_Ewa-aQeNpwKlqSTLs1mNG292Q3KwX

    • Neil Penn

      That is just the X-Band radar, you moron.

    • William

      Thank you for combining all the ignorant chemtard nonsense into one video full of fail. I appreciate it.

      • Per Härdin

        Well Done William! How does it feels like to be remembered as a sheeple in the human record of evolution in a not so distant future!

        • Jeroen van Baardwijk

          How does it feel to be remembered as an out-of-touch-with-reality conspiracy nutter in the record of evolution in a not so distant future?
          Hell, how does it feel to be known as an out-of-touch-with-reality conspiracy nutter today?

          • iamli3

            record of evolution -.o?
            don’t you mean records of history?….

            also quick note , the data indicates we have less than 9 years of life support left on this planet if we don’t drastically change our course of action most important of which is to stop the ongoing global aerosol geoengineering experiments….

            if we don’t do that then there wont be any records of evolution or history or any of that shit left to be remembered cause everything will be dead…..

          • Troll Hunter

            Did you bother to read any of that OVERWHELMING proof that you are an absolutely blind government paid troll? It’s all right there. Great job Valchrist, you conspiracy nutter, putting so much undeniable proof at his feet.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Another fine case of a conspiracy nutter not being able to see the difference between a theory and a fact. Contrary to your conspiracy nutter beliefs, I’m not getting paid anything by anyone for posting here, I’m just an intelligent guy who points out the countless flaws in your paranoid, delusional theories.

            Would be nice though if the US government would transfer a bit of that military budget to my bank account. I could use the money.

        • William

          Remembered as a “sheeple” by those who I’ll remember as pathetic paranoid losers who refuse to learn basic science?
          Fine by me!

        • William

          I don’t know…I’m sure you will let me know. You believe in chemtrails because you trust OTHER ignorant losers.

  • Ryan Elson

    May we see the actual court stamped forms? Which court, what file number.

  • Tony

    The court case is T-431-16. A copy of the court stamped claim is here:
    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Claim%20-%20T-431-16.pdf

    • Neil Penn

      As a Commonwealth nation, the defendant’s legal title would be “Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith”.

      Anonymous “Tony” you have committed a legal fraud.

      • Realist

        What’s your dog in this fight Neil? You have posted lies on every comment…

  • Tony

    And (as indicated in the claim) it is filed in federal court which has jurisdiction in actions against the crown.

    • Neil Penn

      It has been drafted but cannot be lodged without court testable evidence. There is no evidence presented in support of the claim so cannot be lodged. I hope Wigington tries to lodge and is prosecuted for attempting to lodge a frivolous claim.

  • Beejaym

    Fortunately some of us didn’t sleep through high school chemistry and understand little things like water vapor, dew points and dust particles.

    • RealeyesRealizeReallies

      Hm. Sounds to me like you did sleep and still are. Explain to me and show me how vapor persists. Please do oh wise one. Get your likely fat ass off your seat and actually try to duplicate the evidence that has been presented for years. Step into a deep freeze, set that mutha to -45 and get in there and show us how vapor persists even for a couple minutes. If and when you do maybe you’ll have some credibility. Till then you have none.

      • Beejaym

        You really have no clue how ice crystals, air currents and dust particles work, do you?

        • RealeyesRealizeReallies

          Well enough to know the difference and recognize the irregularities. Why ask the question? Take a bottle of what ever particles you like with you and show us. Replicate what is obvious to you to be a very regular set of circumstances that are filmed around the world daily and create for us a persistent vapor trail. It’s gotta last at least couple of minutes if you want any credibility.. Go ahead, if you succeed you will have unravelled the mystery of the persistent contrail. You’ll be famous. So?? I’ll be waiting.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Ah yes, the typical conspiracy nutter approach: rather than making claims and providing the evidence proving them right, they make claims and then demand that people prove them wrong. Unfortunately for you, that’s not how it works. If you want to accuse the government of some massive conspiracy, it’s up to you to prove it.

            BTW, you can’t duplicate persistent vapor trails in a freezer. Temperature is just one of the factors involved, other factors include weather patterns, air currents, and air pressure. I don’t know of any regular deep freeze that can replicate all involved atmospheric conditions.

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            Ah yes, the typical ignorant contributor to homicidal genocide. Do you really hate your loved ones that much? An apologist that would run with the flock straight over the edge of the abyss. Don’t worry, we know your not alone but you are a minority these days. Evidence is there guess you just don’t know how to read.
            Oh yea, you can duplicate this so called natural effect if it’s natural as you say. It’s called using a micro climate. So go ahead and show us. Take a fan in with you as well if you must. I am still waiting.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Since you seem to believe you have all the answers, answer this question: why would the government (or whoever) want to spray chemicals from 30,000 feet to commit genocide?

            First, spraying chemicals from high altitude for that purpose would be extremely inefficient and expensive; if you want to commit genocide, there are far more efficient ways to do it.

            Second, genocide would be counter productive, because if the ruling elite would wipe out the population, they wouldn’t have people left to rule over and work for them.

            Third, the ruling elite would kill themselves in the process, as they eat the same food, drink the same water, and breathe the same air as the plebs.

            As for your claim that “the evidence is there”: where is it, then? You conspiracy nutters keep claiming there’s evidence, but you consistently fail to show it. The only “evidence” your kind kinda sorta produces are links to other conspiracy websites and YouTube videos by other conspiracy nutters.

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            Do you believe it to be a simple linear equation? Only one purpose? No. Read the decades of related patented materials. Don’t bother with the “it’s just a patent”. Patents are filed with intended purpose.
            What do you consider to be “High Altitude”? Troposphere or Stratosphere. Both are accessible with current tech. David Keith would disagree with you and believes it would be very efficient and inexpensive considering.
            You think they would all drop over night? What are you? A conspiracy nutter?
            You believe there have been no significant accomplishments in medical industry and that care is equal for all? No way to filter blood? No way to access high grade organic food or specialists?
            And finally, do you need me to wipe your ass too? Globally we have had Scientists, Pilots, Air Force staff, Politicians, Congressional and Presidential papers, NASA and the list goes on have all come out over the decades. Decades worth of pictures, video, independent lab tests and the list goes on. People around the world taking notice as countries that were not affected by geoengineering are now. Australia and New Zealand being 2 I have noted in the past couple of years. Go visit Geoengineeringwatch.org.
            Have yourself a blissfully ignorant day you nutter you. 🙂

          • iamli3

            dude’s an obvious shill bro (or troll) , just dismiss their dismissal point to evidence and make sure it’s known they’re a shill , im pretty sure that would be easier for other people reading this to realize the description going on here , as opposed to actually taking what a shill says seriously and trying to rebut it……

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Go visit Geoengineeringwatch. Riiiiight. As always with conspiracy nutters, they think links to other conspiracy nutter websites qualify as ‘evidence.’ You seem oblivious to the stupidity of that, so let me create a scenario following your method, in such a way that even you can understand.

            I post on a website that you are a rapist, a child molester, and a child murderer. Someone else posts the same story on an other website. When you then ask for proof for those accusations, I simply point to the other person’s website. Because, hey, it’s posted there as well, so it must be true!

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            You are an obvious troll. Not a very good one so I hope they doc your pay on this fail but very obviously by your comments did not even look at the site filled with material on this subject. I’m ok with that and I’m ok with the blind and willing as well. Enjoy.

          • iamli3

            not only does he not even bother to look at any links provided to him , but he then hilariously continued to claim they were all conspiracy websites , when the links i provided were from scientific research organizations , i even pasted the mission statement from one of them in my reply for everyone here to see , that the only conspiracy nut-job here is himself

            he’s an internet forum shill though , the lowest grade of shill , he’s already getting paid so little that if his paymasters doced it , he would be doing this shilling work for free :l ….

            however , a silver lining i see in all of this , is that we’re winning , information revelation is starting to win back over information suppression , and the lack of munitions for arguments for the shills such as the one we’re replying to here is proof of that , so keep up the good fight my brother…..

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            I appreciate your comments and humanity. Cheers my friend.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Actually, I did follow those links. And then I entered the various website names in Google, in combination with words like ‘quack,’ ‘hoax,’ and ‘conspiracy.’ Unfortunately for you, those websites aren’t the sites of real scientific ‘research organisations’ but conspiracy nutter websites. And fancy mission statements are just that: fancy mission statements. The crap people like Carnicom publish only proves that they’re paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutters.

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies
          • Nomad7

            I think the correct pronunciation is TardSchtick

          • iamli3

            woah ok clam down there ms crazy conspiracy theorist , not every site in the world is out to get you by fabricating things about the reality of the history of geoengineering we have on this planet that you’re paid to deny

            http://www.weathermodification.org/
            https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130314141014.htm
            http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/8/9375
            and for lots more links
            http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents-2/

            bitch i told you to take your pick i got more…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Do you seriously believe that Tin Foil Hat sites like, say, geoengineeringwatch.com, become reliable sources if you just post links to it often enough? That’s not going to work; the sky is blue, and even if you post a million links to conspiracy websites that claim the sky is purple, it’s still blue.

            I do indeed deny your idiotic claims about ‘chemtrails’ because there’s no evidence whatsoever for that conspiracy. There’s a huge difference between chemicals ending up in the atmosphere as a side effect of something else (like air traffic), and the government (or whatever other organistation) deliberately spraying chemicals to mind-control us, wipe us out, or whatever othger version of the chemtrails hoax you believe in.

            And contrary to your paranoid beliefs, I’m not getting paid anything by anyone for trying to educate you. Would be nice though if I’d get paid for it, I could use the money. 🙂

          • iamli3

            congratulations on calling this
            l
            v
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            About MDPI

            MDPI (Multidisciplinary Digital Publishing Institute) is an academic open-access publisher with headquarters in Basel, Switzerland. Additional offices are located in Beijing and Wuhan (China) as well as in Barcelona (Spain). MDPI publishes 150 diverse peer-reviewed, scientific, open access, electronic journals, including Molecules (launched in 1996; Impact Factor 2.416), the International Journal of Molecular Sciences (launched in 2000; Impact Factor 2.862), Sensors (launched in 2001; Impact Factor 2.245), Marine Drugs (launched in 2003; Impact Factor 2.853), Energies (launched in 2008; Impact Factor 2.072), the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health (launched in 2004; Impact Factor 2.063), Viruses (launched in 2009; Impact Factor 3.353), Remote Sensing (launched in 2009; Impact Factor 3.180), Toxins (launched in 2009; Impact Factor 2.938) and Nutrients (launched in 2009; Impact Factor 3.270). Our publishing activities are supported by more than 9,900 active scientists and academic editors on our journals’ international editorial boards, including several Nobelists. More than 187,500 individual authors have already published with MDPI. MDPI.com receives more than 4.2 million monthly webpage views.

            http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/8/9375

            Abstract

            The widespread, intentional and increasingly frequent chemical emplacement in the troposphere has gone unidentified and unremarked in the scientific literature for years. The author presents evidence that toxic coal combustion fly ash is the most likely aerosolized particulate sprayed by tanker-jets for geoengineering, weather-modification and climate-modification purposes and describes some of the multifold consequences on public health. Two methods are employed: (1) Comparison of 8 elements analyzed in rainwater, leached from aerosolized particulates, with corresponding elements leached into water from coal fly ash in published laboratory experiments, and (2) Comparison of 14 elements analyzed in dust collected outdoors on a high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filter with corresponding elements analyzed in un-leached coal fly ash material. The results show: (1) the assemblage of elements in rainwater and in the corresponding experimental leachate are essentially identical. At a 99% confidence interval, they have identical means (T-test) and identical variances (F-test); and (2) the assemblage of elements in the HEPA dust and in the corresponding average un-leached coal fly ash are likewise essentially identical. The consequences on public health are profound, including exposure to a variety of toxic heavy metals, radioactive elements, and neurologically-implicated chemically mobile aluminum released by body moisture in situ after inhalation or through transdermal induction.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            an idiotic paranoid conspiracy , that takes some serious stupid….

            i purposefully linked to geowatch again so you would take the bait of trying to discredit all the links i provided by trying to claim it isn’t a credible source (which it is anyways)

            so yeah in by doing so you’ve also claimed that this highly reputable scientific journal publication site , isn’t , it’s not possible to even pretend to come back with credibility after making a statement like that , you’re over it’s done , you’ll never convince anyone of your pay master’s lies , you should just stop…..

            but you wont cause shills always have the last comment , it’s what is visible at the end of a conversation so that’s where you’ll get the most views for what you’re getting paid to lie about…..

            also it would help to make it a slight challenge to identify shills if you weren’t all so equally stupid and predictable in conversation cues……but why do i bother telling you that , you don’t think , so it’s not like you could do anything with that information anyways , and then the game gets boring for me….

          • Nemesis du Avocat

            There is no place like home, there is no place like home, there is no place like home,,,,oh me oh my,,
            do not pay any attention to that man behind the curtain. …
            Hillary loves you

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Tough luck for $Hillary then, because the feeling isn’t mutual. $Hillary is just a paid shill for BigCorp, just as the conspiracy nutters here are paid shills for Alex Jones.

          • iamli3

            ……SSHHHYYYTTTTT I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY WHERE A SHILL MADE A GOOD POINT LOL , but don’t despair , we’re taking the fear mongering industry of the alex johns types to task as well whenever they try to make some fallacious claims like with the yellowstone volcano scare making another rounds recently….

          • Gary Olds

            Alex Jones. Hes controlled opposition. You couldnt even get his name right, pfft.

          • iamli3

            i know lots of people claim that , but it doesn’t always have to be the false dichotomy of truther or disinfo agent , that’s just another exploitable divide and conquer opportunity to think like that , where as from what i’ve seen it’s more likely to be the case that with cases like alex jones , they can be interested in some truths about things , but also be interested in their own ideals or culture of finances , so exposing truths about things sometimes isn’t their sole motivation….

            and no off the cuff random generic hand gestures with no context is 1 not proof of anything and 2 such an easy attention grabbing tool for semi self aware people to use…..

          • jackie

            great stuff…thank you for trying. this is religion to these gnostics who are so proud of their so caled inside info. they have invested their entire lives into it. you cant win with logic.. but maybe when they see that google ads are just not payinng the bills they will find meaning elsewhere and do something productive.

          • Gary Olds

            Well dont you know so much about conspiracy theorist! Sounds to me like you have been around the traps eh?

          • Troll Hunter

            Propaganda paid for by the Feds. Have you really not realized that vapor and dust do not contain poisons and toxins without somebody putting it there. Blind boot licking troll.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Indeed, vapor can only contain poisons and toxins if someone puts it in there. That’s why no intelligent person on the planet takes your kind seriously: the Tin Foil Hat crowd CLAIMS the government (or the Jews, or the Zionists, or the Illuminati, or the Reptilians, or whoever, depending on your preferred version of the conspiracy lunacy) put it there, but they consistently fail to PROVE it.

          • iamli3

            http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/water-tests/
            https://chemtrailsplanet.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/evidence-of-coal-fly-ash-toxic-chemical-geoengineering-in-the-troposphere-consequences-for-public-health.pdf
            how many times i gotta link you this simple hard evidence that completely refutes everything you’ve ever said on this thread before you stop ignoring it and you’ll go away?….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            How many times do I have to point out to you that links to other conspiracy nutter websites don’t exactly qualify as ‘proof’ of anything? So far, you and your other aliases haven’t provided a single shred of proof for these alleged ‘chemtrails.’ All you do is point to other conspiracy websites, and link to documents that, upon closer examination, don’t prove anything. And thanks to that approach, conspiracy nutters have lost and all credibility they ever might have had.

          • iamli3

            >links scientific research document proving the issue
            >claims the document doesn’t , for no reason

            holy shit you actually are functionally retarded aren’t you? linking pdf =/= linking website , nor is something being hosted on a particular website grounds to dismiss it , every reply you make just sounds like the desperate gasps of a fish out of water…..or in this case a shill without an argument that can distract me from dispelling your attempts at disinfo…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            If the website in question is a science-denying conspiracy nutter website (like this one), then there’s every reason to dismiss any post or document on that website as unreliable information.

            BTW, I’ve done a little bit of research into that Herndon guy. Your kind has the habit of posting false information, and guess what: Herndon is known conspiracy nutter, and that paper has been debunked and retracted because of the numerous flaws in it. So much for your ‘proof.’

            Get educated at:
            https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/09/05/flawed-chemtrails-paper-by-herndon-retracted/
            http://www.webcitation.org/6bJmeEVNp
            http://www.webcitation.org/6bJmrHIsi
            http://www.webcitation.org/6bJmeq2ui

          • iamli3

            very good! see you are capable of having a real discussion when you have some ammunition to use in your shilling position at least

            indeed that paper i linked was redacted , this got you to play that next move you did , of actually providing evidence to refute the other person’s claims

            now that you’ve shown you are capable of doing that and adhering to an academic/intellectual standard for your thought process or whatever , now let’s see that if you can’t find a refutation or redaction of these reports

            http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/108/12/2173.pdf
            http://www.arizonaskywatch.com/charts/our%20charts/index.html
            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987704000222

            which are just a few of the many that can be easily found even through their own references , will you give up the shill vial and admit that there is an undeniable global toxic heavy metal contamination that can only result from the process of mining the raw materials , refining them into nano particulates , and dispersing them as aerosols in the atmosphere by jet tankers , which are major components of the ongoing global geoengineering experiments?…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Article on Current Science: written by Marvin Herndon, who already managed to lose his credibility thanks to his conspiracy lunacy.
            Arizona Skywatch: conspiracy website, and thus no reliable source of information, as pointed out numerous times already
            Sciencedirect: only an abstract of a scientific paper, no access to the full paper so no ‘proof’ for you ‘chemtrails’ there either, and in your case a case of standard copy-and-paste work as this stuff is way over your head. To make it even worse (for you and your kind), the late Mark Purdey’s views are embraced by the conspiracy nutters but not accepted by the scientific community because of his shoddy way of conducting research.

            And now, if you will excuse me, I’ll just go sit back and see how long it will take you to reach the end of the standard conspiracy nutters phase of ‘Flood Opponents With Links To Articles That Really Don’t Prove Our Conspiracy Theories In The Hope That Our Opponents Will Give Up Because They Unlike Us Actually Have A Life And Have More Interesting Things To Do Than Just Keep Debunking Our Pseudo-Evidence.’

          • iamli3

            1 pathetic attempt at character assassination cause you can’t refute the evidence
            2 another pathetic attempt at character assassination cause you can’t refute the evidence , only this time the character assassination isn’t even relevant to the evidence presented , so it’s even more pathetic and funny

            “All our samples were tested in Arizona Department of Environmental
            Quality approved laboratories, using the long-established ICP scan
            method of analyzing metals (EPA Method 200.7), that is the Determination of Metals and Trace Elements in Water and Wastes by Inductively Coupled
            Plasma-Atomic Spectrometry,”

            it’s not mine or their fault if nobody else wants to admit to the toxic contamination proved by their lab tests , but until you can refute it the evidence still stands….

            3 http://www.wnho.net/BariumPoisoningStudy.pdf you fÜcking little bitch do i seriously need to search every report who’s name i give when you can’t immediately click on the full pdf from the links i provide? you incompetent child shill FÜCK IM BOTH PISSED AND LAUGHING AT THE SAME TIME XD

            im gonna have to start treating you accordingly like the retard you are which you got from those vaccines that i proved to you cause autism that i never heard you respond thanking me for enlightening you on that matter eh?…..

          • Troll Hunter

            Have another hit…

          • davidrlindsay

            Well that’s it. Must be legit. I see the word science in there.

          • iamli3

            brilliant rebuttal…..

          • Koko Loewen

            So, that works for you and your opinion but it just does not work for logical, methodical thinkers. I notice you deny the scientific evidence by your own admission when you point out “those” websites aren’t real. Obviously you are not smart enough to think outside the box. I’m done with you because my time is more valuable.

          • davidrlindsay

            Outside the box is fine, it’s the outside reality thing that we take issue with.

          • iamli3

            …..who’s “we” you’re referring to here?….

          • http://www.9cloudsebookmarketingandpromotions.com Alexa Brosen

            Keep drinking the kool-aid whackjob.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Ah yes, insults. The standard practice of conspiracy nutters when they realise they’ve been cornered. And your kind still don’t understand why no sane, intelligent person likes you?

          • Gary Olds

            You have done nothing but insult, Amazing how you can see others but carnt see yourself lol.

          • Nomad7

            See my comment to him above

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            I have proven various conspiracy nutters here wrong over and over again. Don’t whine about insults; your kind use insults as a standard tactic to try and shut up intelligent, educated people who don’t buy your bullshit theories, so don’t be surprised when people start returning the favour.

          • Gary Olds

            You have not produced a shred of anything other than running off at the mouth. The topic as you like to deviate from it is contrails v chemtrails.https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4bf60fbdfa1517c39133d55750c4a4df15b61022e4b84be888ef53ca97167f8e.jpg

            As you can read it is impossible for modern plane to produce them. Even when they could it was at altitudes over 60,000feet and even then the weather conditions had to be ideal, Which is almost never. So you red headed cock sucker (if thats you or your real name) your done. Your little band of dick wads can eat me also. Your debunked.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            LOL. Another case of a conspiracy nutter who actually believes that he can prove he’s right by pointing to content on other science-denying conspiracy websites. As for deviating from the original subject: that was to be expected, it’s standard conspiracy nutter practice to deviate from the initial topic when they find out they’ve once again been cornered.

          • Nomad7

            Aren’t you the crabby little she-queen! “Nutters?” Can’t you disagree without coming across as a frustrated spinster?

            You want scientific proof Joroen DinkleWhacker? Do you have the capacity to read documents and analyses published by real adults from the scientific and military communities? Do you know how to “read between the lines?” Are you familiar with DEWs, RF and scalar wave weapons or do you only accept what you hear from the mainstream media?

            While the “purpose” of the chemtrails is most likely not to poison the population, there are at least 6 to 10 different technologies at work – which can be integrated with the dispersal of particles at altitude – nano or otherwise.

            Now Miss Crabby, before you untwist your panties and even attempt to respond, I suggest you look at the USAF’s 1996 paper entitled “Owning the Weather by 2025: Weather as a Force Multiplier.” FYI – while only weather is directly discussed in that paper, if you understand resultant RF/Wave combinations which result in scalar fields, then you may want to google “Malech 1976 Patent” and then use that little noggin of yours to imagine what the powers that be could be up to when Malech’s tech (in use since the 1950s) is combined with AIMs – Artificial Ionospheric Mirrors.

            And BTW – while you are at it – look up Project Popeye. While the rather provincial belief that they are “poisoning the population” is a bit off, what they are up to is far more nefarious than what the average person can grasp since they aren’t familiar with the plethora of technologies which have been integrated for geoengineering, psyops, scalar field generation, etc.

            Lets see if you just comment on here in an attempt to buttress your emasculated ego by acting so condescending to people, or if you have the capability to actually read, think, process and make decisions on your own. I am just waiting for you to respond that the USAF PDF is quackery.

            You are just as naive and incorrect as the plaintiffs who think that it is poison which is being released, but at least they have the sense to recognize that the purpose(s) for such activities are indeed detrimental to everyone’s health.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            And here we have another fine example of a hiding-behind-anonimity conspiracy nutter who resorts to insults. Come back when you’re an adult and can write your own responses, rather than copying and pasting the text provided by your employer Alex Jones.

          • Nomad7

            Nope punk. I don’t know anything about Alex Jones. I gave you the title of a PDF put out by the USAF in 1996 which explains how the atmosphere can be manipulated and weather used as a force modifier. No cut and paste at all.

            You asked for scientific proof – I gave it to you. With statements by more than half a dozen PhD’s and scientists – the same people who developed the technology.

            Insults? I came on this thread looking to see what other people felt and saw an ignorant little lady-man abusing people – and let’s face it, you refuse to even look at the USAF PDF because you shoot off yr mouth without any educational background.

            Now go write another science fiction book you foolish little child. You obviously had few friends as a youth and now we now why yr wife was so effin sick of you. She made a good choice dumping you loser.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            A document about how something CAN be done is not proof that it GETS done. I can write a document about how I can track you down and slit your throat, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually going to happen.

            So far, every single bit of ‘proof’ you and other conspiracy nutters have provided has turned out to not prove anything. So no, you once again haven’t provided any scientific proof for anything, other than for the fact that you’re a paranoid, delusional idiot who can’t think for himself, has no education and only a very low IQ, hides behind anonimity like the coward that he is, resorts to insults and personal attacks when people don’t buy his paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories, and can’t even spell properly.

          • Nomad7

            Referring to you as “Lady-man” was not meant to be insulting. I truly am sorry. In this age of political correctness, I was simply applying the most suitable gender-identification label to the little Euro-monkey I was attempting to engage in a rationale conversation, thus the moniker “Lady-man.”

            “Insults,” Lady-man? You use the same abusive vocabulary with everyone one here, ranging from “Conspiracy-nutter” to “Extremist Lady-man” offender. Did thy mother mate with a monkey Lady-man? Was she a Primate-Nutter-Butter-lover? Is you uber-toothy and laughable appearance the reason you harbor so much anger for the world, the reason your wife left you?

            You stated I have a low IQ. You are correct. It is very low, I struggle with English, have no upper-level education, and am confounded by the possibility at even attempting to read anything above the level of the childish gibberish you write and refer to as literature.

            You are an “author?” LOL. Comedian maybe, but “author” you’re not. I bet your wife’s family breathed a sigh of relief when she dumped your arse and moved on to greener pastures. You are proof that God does indeed either have a sense of humor or makes an occasional mistake during the forging of “hominid” output such as yourself.

            In any case, Euro-monkey – attempting to enter a rational discourse with you is a fruitless endeavor, even though a primate such as yourself probably adores bananas – as your mum certainly did.

          • iamli3

            hey now , i had few friends as a youth and still in my young adulthood , that’s not a nice thing to make fun of people for…

            make fun of him not having any friends now due to his obvious employment as a shill….

          • iamli3

            he doesn’t have the mental capacity , i linked him a document signed by a head md at GSK that was reporting on children getting autism from vacancies they were given , he responded saying to point to the page that said this cause he didn’t think i could , then i ctrl+f’ed the pages and told him it’s called using ctrl+f , then he claimed that the document only says the word autism and doesn’t prove that the vaccines caused it , when that’s literally what the introduction to the over 1k page report says it is

            he is so much of a bleeding die hard shill that he can’t even read an introduction to a document explaining what it is or how to use ctrl+f to find the information

            you can see it all in the comments on this thread , this just happened yesterday , and im starting to seriously worry now just how brain damaged this guy is…..

          • davidrlindsay

            Shill, once that word appears, I ignore everything else you have to say.

          • iamli3

            because everyone knows shills don’t exist…..oh wait that’s right everyone who’s self aware does in fact know shills exist , and we know that the only people who are outspoken about shills not existing are the shills themselves , hmmmmmm makes me wonder…….

          • Gary Olds

            Carnt make your point so go to the insults, Chemtrails are reported world wide not in one small area, Countries the world over are in class actions over geo engineering. So the people of the world are all conspiracy nutters to? You are fast becoming a minority.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Chemtrails can’t be reported, as they don’t exist. Or more precisely, they don’t exist in the real world, only in the paranoid, delusional minds of conspiracy nutters, who don’t either don’t understand what contrails are, or perhaps do understand but get paid by Alex Jones to parrot his insane conspiracy theories. As much as you’ll hate it, the vast majority of the world’s population doesn’t believe your bullshit theories. You don’t become a majority just by claiming you are one. You conspiracy nutters never have been a majority, you never will be; you’re just a tiny fringe group, and that’s what you’ll remain.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Of course David Keith would disagree with me. David Keith disagrees with everyone who doesn’t share his pseudo-scientific bullshit and Tin Foil Hat beliefs.

          • Koko Loewen

            If it is evidence you want, all you need to do is visit one of the many web sites and there is more than enough forensic evidence for reasonable doubt. Anyone who has any intelligence knows why the spraying is happening. Solar Radiation Management, Weather Modification, Cooling to slow down the melt of the ice cap or are you not familiar with those facts either. I agree that wiping out of the general populations would leave the elite doing their own dirty work and they would soon tire of it. The elite are not eating the same garbage as the masses and they believe they never will. You, Jeroen, are the nut case since you probably are posting to see what reaction you will get.

          • Mollie Norris

            Jeroen isn’t a nutcase; I’m sure he’s very well paid for supporting this genocidal depopulation program. He’s an antisocial psychopath; a Zionazi satanist; an adversary of life on the planet.
            How do these pathological liars explain the fact that there are no chemtrails observed (by satellite or ground-based observers) over China and Russia. Intelligent water vapor molecules that detect national borders?

          • Nomad7

            You nailed some of it – check out Owningthe Weather by 2025 – USAF and then Google Malech 1976 Patent. Artificial Ionospheric Mirrors can be used to strengthen and spread scalar fields from intersecting radars – if you read malech’s 1976 Patent brief it is obvious what else this can be used for

          • Jay

            Suck it! You fcukn robot! Is that a randomly generate name or what? Anyone with a mug like that wouldn’t even share it so you can’t be human.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            No, that’s not a randomly generated name. Unlike you and your kind, I post under my own name. Unlike the coward that you and most of your kind are, I don’t hide between an alias and a default avatar. What are you hiding? Afraid that people will recognise you as that guy who lives down the street in that house with the ‘A Registered Sex Offender Lives Here’ sign in the front yard?

          • james Vescio

            stick you head back in the sand man!

          • Nemesis du Avocat

            You nailed it with “inefficient and expensive “

          • Gary Olds

            Theres a good sheep, Just stay asleep. Every things fine no need to worry. The conditions for vapor trails are rare, So explain the trails clearly visible every day?

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/contrail-edu/science.php

            Warning: article written by scientific organisation. For conspiracy nutters, exposure to science may result in vomiting, hysterical reactions, as well as vitriolic responses that in comparison make Tourette syndrome look like perfectly normal behaviour. Conspiracy nutters who show any of these symptoms are advised to seek immediate psychiatric help.

          • Forest Priest

            The only thing besides tests that they spray and that is done very rarely is for cloud seeding causing the condesation aka clouds to condense into water and rain in drought ridden areas. There are no chemtrails. Especially not from ever major commercial airliner! Liberalism, it’s a form of brain disease and mental retardation.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            ‘Liberalism’ has nothing to do with it. In fact, my own extensive research has shown that there’s an almost 100% overlap between conspiracy nutters and right wing extremists. And on sites like this, it’s really just a waste of time and energy to point out all the flaws in conspiracy theories, because most people here are just mindless sheep on Alex Jones’ payroll; the only thing they contribute to the world is their entertainment value.

          • davidrlindsay

            So, the evil bastards doing this, are willing to take themselves and their families out, in order to get the rest of us?

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            Let me say it this way. If you know what your looking for or what is happening you have an advantage do you not? There are treatments such as blood filtering, and those with the know have regular access to nutrient dense natural food and of course there is avoidance when necessary.

          • Koko Loewen

            I don’t know how you can create persistent contrails in the the upper atmosphere when the factors involved must be ideal for that to happen and what are the odds? Perfect temperature, perfect relative humidity, perfect wind,air currents and pressure. Those planes fly all over the grid their trails provide but all without missing out on the perfect set of circumstances and without causing those passengers from barfing throughout the rigorous ups and downs and criss cross manoeuvres .

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            There’s not one perfect set of conditions required for formation of contrails. If you’d bother to look up, you’d notice that some contrails disappear almost instantly, others last for days and spread out, and everything in between. You really should have paid intention in science class.

          • Will Malven

            I know it’s probably entertainment for you, but you do know that you are arguing science and facts with religious zealots whose opinions are based on what they BELIEVE, not science.

            Such belief is proof to all logic and reason.

            If it wasn’t such a devastating reflection of the pathetic state of our educational system, it would be hilarious.

            Good luck!

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            I’m very well aware of the fact that these idiots ignore (and even hate) science and logic, and I’m aware of the fact that nothing in the world can change their minds. I must say that I do derive an almost satanic pleasure from cornering them by using science and logic, and then watch them as they desperately and in vain try to wurm themselves out of that corner. 🙂

          • Nomad7

            You aren’t using science and logic. You are simply belittling people. If you are referring to high school science, you definitely are an impressive little lass. If you are referring to now-declassified publications, or buried pdf’s from government agencies – you certainly aren’t at the top of any IQ scale for mammals who can walk in an upright position.

            You come across as a self-impressed mommy’s boy.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Quite a statement, coming from someone who hides behind anonimity and habitually uses insults to try and shut up people who don’t buy his delusions. So, tell me, what are you hiding? Criminal record as sex offender? Tax evasion? You are aware that you have to pay income tax over that money Alex Jones pays you every month to be his shill, right?

          • Nomad7

            Read my response(s) to Joreon above with directions to USAF publications and patents. This is science, but the problem is that most of it is classified and unless you know where to search for it in the public realm, it isn’t so easy to find.

          • iamli3

            if i link you science papers will you look at and accept them?….

          • Gary Olds

            BULLSHIT!

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Yes, I know, in your world it’s called bullshit. Us intelligent, educated people call it science.

          • Nomad7

            Other contrails last for days? Links please.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk
          • Distressed7

            Always the “nutter” approach. Please dude…Your scam is old…kinda like your fears…the air currents would have to be coming from like 15 directions in many cases. Highly unlikely. What do you fear anyway? That your crook government poisons people? They poisoned us in Nam? For a quick fix and a government contract scum will rationalize anything. The same government denied Agent Orange dioxins were responsible for cancer after cancer replicating itself in soldier after soldier in far too many above average numbers. Yes, not too mention the people we were trying to set free from the evil empire. No dude boy, your crowd is too crummy to let off the hook, based on proven criminality. Chemtrails are not natural.

          • Laura Lee Mistycah

            Question Mr Jeroen Troll Miester, how do you account for the “con trails” and the “grids” they make over areas that are NOT in any commercial air traffic patterns?

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Define ‘commercial air traffic patterns.’

          • Nomad7

            Vectoring towards and away from airport(s) versus symmetrical intersecting grid patterns (checkerboards) over large expanses of visible sky.

          • davidrlindsay

            Thank you for saving me the bother.

          • margsview

            BTW, why would a judge in Colorado, court order the removal of her daughter, simply because she mentioned ‘chemtrails’ at her daughter’s school…..
            No other allegations have ever been made against this mother and she has a spotless record.

            So many things have been done without consult or explanation to the very people. left in most cases, ‘to pay for the messes, left’. We all have had enough and ask that the degree of unaccountable spending on ‘projects’ classified –stop!…And exposure of all be done…regularly–or maybe we start suing for those that do or authorize be held financially and totally accountable…

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            I’m not familiar with any case of a Colorado judge (or any other judge anywhere in the world, for that matter) ordering a child removed from his/her parents after one of said parents mentioning some paranoid, delusional conspiracy theory. Without the court documents, I can’t comment on it.

          • margsview

            I agree, seemed too beyond the norm.
            Prior to 2008, I would never have thought the 1%, could dare expose themselves, or the degree of their extreme psycho-greed…..I mean, even the IMF has begged hedge fund owners to deleverage their estimated 823 trillion in o/s derivative contracts, globally, to no avail. But given, that these owners were carelessly offered ‘preferred creditor’ status if any bank defaulted, is it any wonder they feel enabled and empowered to do as they please….with no legal repercussions?

          • Forest Priest

            Apparently you forgot about the jet engine exhaust that’s blowing out at what 1200 degrees?

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            Perhaps you forgot over 70% of the air passing through goes un-combusted.

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            Perhaps you forgot over 70% of the air passing through goes un-combusted.

        • Beejaym

          So an argument is that they’re dumping toxic waste into the airways? Really? What mathematical sense does that make?

          Not that we’re dealing with this type of plane, but as an example:

          A 747-400 Freighter can hold 124 tons of cargo. The cost to fully fuel up a 474 is about $145,000. That’s about $1,000 per ton of cargo.

          A large sized dump truck can hold 10 tons of cargo. The cost to fill a 75 gallon tank is about $225. The cost per ton for the truck is $22.50. For the same amount a 747 can hold, that comes to $281.25.

          So you’re logic is that “they” would rather spend 40 times the cost of getting rid of toxic waste in the less-than-discreet method of a plane, than simply packing it in a dump truck and finding an abandoned mine?

        • Distressed7

          Oh…I do…and they do not come from jet turbine areas of the wings. If they did, the De-icers would not be working.

          • Mollie Norris

            You only get flack when you’re over the target; there’s no better confirmation (other than the lab analyses and photos of sprayer nozzles, etc) of the deception sold by trolls here.

        • Gary Olds

          You obviously dont have a clue, The conditions for vapor trails are a rare occurrence. Do some research!

      • http://officialkratomforum.com/ Kim Jerue

        you tell em, “old wise one” haha fat ass up off the couch I love you

    • tom

      Whether they are chemtrails or contrails may not really matter. That is the tactic to keep the infighting alive. The real fact is our sky is being robbed from us almost daily here in southern Oregon. It starts out some what blue and then hundreds of these chem/contrails turn the entire sky gray or a sick looking grey blue. I forget what it’s like to see real dark blue skies like it was years ago. How is it that commercial or even military aircraft are allowed to take that away from us. It’s a depressing color. So chemtrail or contrail doesn’t matter. The reality is what we see on almost a daily basis. This crap is over us all day and it is ugly. What I can’t understand is why you can’t at least see this point of view.

    • Paul Sanders

      Are you being payed to be here to spread the propaganda?

    • Paul Sanders

      Why ais it the so called contrails aka chemtrails (High altitude aerosal dispersol program) that spread out and cause a haze for days are coming from planes not following flight paths? Where are these planes going? And why do the planes following the flight path have contrails that disapate not far behind the plane?

    • shutit

      Sounds like you did, contrails cannot last for 20 hours and spread out over miles of area sideways, they dissipate much more rapidly than chemtrails do, if you knew how contrails worked, you’d understand that the disturbance created is temperature and liquid/vapor based, when a contrail dissipates it’s temperature goes back to the norm as surrounding air brings it’s temperature back to that of the surrounding air fairly quickly, at which point it is no longer visible, as it is no different than the air around it at that point.

      You need to look at a chemtrail and watch it throughout the day, it will last the entire day, it will widen by a massive amount as it spreads while slowly descending, please mister science, explain to me how some condensation expands massively and overpowers the temperature of surrounding air? Seeing as that is the only possible way they could last that long if they were condensation, tell me how condensation isn’t affected by the air around it, and tell me how it expands massively?

    • Jeroen Deva Geetesh

      It is not about high school chemistry. It is about opening your eyes and seeing that at some days flight patterns aren’t even near what they are almost all other days in the year. Not only are the routes very different, on these days I can sometimes see 3 or 4 planes in the sky at the same time. Never happens on the days that flight patterns are normal. Then, these days start out nice and sunny, then the many chemtrails form a pattern and then slowly come down, making ever wider stripes in the air, and by the afternoon it is all cloudy.

      Chemtrails are not contrails!

      All you need to do to see it is to stop THINKING about it and just. LOOK. For many people that are so stuck in their minds and beliefs this is difficult. And, let me admit, I have doubted it for many months. Could not belief that this (although not that often) is happening also in Holland. It makes no sense, seems insane. But once you OPEN YOUR EYES you cannot deny it anymore. Who knows why, but chemtrails, sadly enough, are a reality.
      The best explanations I know are:
      1. Trying to reduce the effects of climate change (it does get cloudy and gets colder for a while after the spraying)
      2. Geoengineering practice for warfare: if you can change the weather, you have power over your enemy.

      Whatever the reason. It happens without the public being informed. And probably with tax payers money on top of it…

      Think about it. Some governments dump toxic waste in drinking water (fluoride), why is it so hard to believe that they dump other toxic waste (coal fly ash) from planes. Both are damaging to health. Both happen.

    • thetrixieman

      I know Jeroen from elsewhere. His family is invested in the medical industry and he is a total shill lol. He often disrupts positive social endeavors.

      His arguments are a total shame, because he is totally lame. He says it is unwise to spray chemtrails because they don’t insta-kill, but his arguments are full of total lies. McDonald’s is genocide and poisons everybody but it doesn’t insta-kill either, so his arguments are INVALID.

      Also, he looks like a shill, a paid Faux News reporter or something.

      Scientifically speaking, they sprayed chemtrails over my home one day, no doubt they were retailiating for me posting some facts about flouride that day. Except the chemtrails were a steady stream for one mile, then there was a 500 ft gap, then it began to stream again. This implies that there was an on-off switch and deliberate release of chemtrails! Temperatures don’t suddenly gap in the sky forming magic ice exhaust trails that suddenly gap in patches!

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        You know me from elsewhere? That’s odd, because I’ve never heard of you before—and as far as I know, nobody in what’s left of the family tree has ties to the medical industry, save for that one highly intelligent niece who went to medical school and now serves her community as a General Practitioner. So, tell me, who else in the family tree has ties to the medical industry?

        But we should really believe that the government (or the Illuminati, or the Zionists, or whoever, depending on which version of the chemtrails conspiracy theory you subscribe to) sent a plane 30,000 ft up in the air just to spray your house because you posted some science-denying, paranoid and delusional conspiracy fairy tale?

        Anyway, thanks for calling me a shill. In your paranoid, delusional, out-of-touch-with-reality world, a shill is anyone who prefers science, logic, and hard evidence over idiotic, science-denying conspiracy theories that aren’t backed by any evidence whatsoever, so I’ll consider the title of ‘shill’ a badge of honour. 🙂

        • thetrixieman

          A shill is any internet fag who trusts the gov. Seriously stop talking, you’re lame and boring with bloated paragraphs. The planes weren’t 30,000 ft high, you moron, some planes are only 1000 ft high where I live. Ur a fag and a bloated fatass writer lol. You aint got no argument you just call me delusional over and over like an angry queer. FYI I like science and logic more than you do faggot.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            And here we go again: the standard tactic of paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutters of hurling insults at their opponents, once they’ve found they got cornered by science and logic, and then desperately try to get out of that corner. Your poor grammar and spelling proves once again the massive overlap between conspiracy nutters and people with low intelligence. Heck, I dare even say that ‘conspiracy nutters’ is actually a subset of the ‘people with low IQ’ population group.

            So, tell me, why are you hiding between an alias and a standard avatar? What are you so afraid of that you don’t dare reveal your real name and your face? Afraid that people will recognise you as that guy who lives down the street in that house with the ‘A Registered Sex Offender Lives Here’ sign in the front yard, perhaps? Don’t want the tax collector to find out about your monthly paycheck from Alex Jones?

            BTW, you still haven’t told me where you allegedly know me from, and who in my family allegedly has ties to the medical industry. I reckon it’s just more proof that you’re just making things up—but that’s to be expected from someone who believes in out-of-touch-with-reality conspiracy theories.

          • iamli3

            And here we go again: the standard tactic of shills: to ignore the evidence presented and pretend they’re still right in a desperate shilling attempt to convince others of what they’re being paid to convince them of

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFCS_OdDsJw
            i even linked you a video of a plane flying at low altitude like that guy says maybe only 1000ft dumping it’s toxic payload over a densely populated city….

            inb4 no response to this evidence and more shilling comments away….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            That’s indeed one of the standard tactics of conspiracy nutters (both the paid and unpaid shills for Alex Jones): ignore the evidence presented that proves them wrong, and pretend they’re still right in a desperate shilling attempt to convince others of what they’re being paid to convince them of.

          • iamli3

            oh neat you ignored the evidence in my post that proves you wrong , according to you that makes you a conspiracy nutter , and i have little interest in communicating with stupid people , or shills such as yourself , though i will continue to denounce any bs (bad science) you post here….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            As always, your post didn’t contain evidence for anything other than the fact that you’re a science–denying, paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter and a paid shill for Alex Jones.

          • iamli3

            >provides irrefutable video evidence
            >claims provided no evidence
            hhahahahahah man you’re a funny guy for a shill 😀 …..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            As always, your ‘evidence’ doesn’t prove anything, other than the fact that you’re a science-denying, paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter, desperately grasping at straws as every single bit of ‘proof’ you provide gets shot down.
            What you see in that video are simply aerodynamic contrails. Get educated at http://contrailscience.com/hybrid-contrails-a-new-classification/

          • iamli3

            http://contrailscience.com/about/
            “I’m not a scientist, or a meteorologist”

            and neither are you mr shity shill , my evidence still stands unrefuted , now get your crazy pseudo scientific contrail conspiracy junk out of my face you lunatic…..

          • thetrixieman

            My IQ is higher than yours. The subset of anal retentives and people who care about spelling is high. So you are a prat.

    • popeye2009

      Beejaym you really need to dig deeper and read up on Geo-engineering, climate engineering, weather modification and high altitude aerosol spraying. Its even listed in the Smithsonian. Over 100 jet fuel patents with these special ingredients included that leave a white spray turning into wide long clouds and I’ve seen a few jets that only create contrails at the same time.

    • Gary Olds

      Here it is you fucking trolls!

  • Neil Penn

    I know for a fact that this claim has been drafted (you morons paid for that) but it has NOT been lodged and CANNOT be lodged without evidence which is suitable to convince a magistrate that a claim worthy of testing in the courts can be lodged.

    No evidence has ever surfaced and this is the fourth such endeavour since 2008 that has failed to be lodged. The failure to lodge the claim conclusively proves the absence of evidence for the claim.

    • SanitariumDweller

      There has been samples recovered in many differents cities across north America, and they were found to contain poisonous heavy metals like Barium, Aluminum, Lead, and many others… These particles before falling are radioactively charged by the Sun, the health hazards are endless, and this practice of Governments allowing for this to happen is monstrously Evil, and whoever is responsible should be poisoned and left to die!!!

      • William

        And where is the evidence that the trails in the sky are the source of any of the things you mentioned? Oh yeah…no such evidence exists.

  • Riley Elf

    More moronic posturing. I wonder if they’ll try to milk the gullible for even more money?

  • Steve

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Bruce Nmezi

    I’d reply with a snarky comment but it would probably go over your head. Like the chemtrails that don’t exist.

    Do you know what cumulus clouds actually are? CHEMPUFFS!

    • aphoenix444

      Oh and the zig zag lines in the sky left by planes that linger for hours and spread are simply products of our imagination, right?

      Do you have eyes? If so, do you bother to open them? Are you capable of using your powers of observation to see something that is obviously very not normal going on? Perhaps it is willful blindness.

  • Jeroen van Baardwijk

    We all know how this is going to end, right? For a court to order a halt to the spraying of ‘chemtrails,’ the court will need to see evidence that it’s actually happening. However, as these ‘chemtrails’ only exist in the delusional minds of conspiracy nutters, they cannot be sprayed, therefore the practice of spraying ‘chemtrails’ doesn’t exist, therefore the court can’t put an end to it, leaving the court with no other option than to dismiss the case. After that, the conspiracy nutters will again whine about all this being ‘a cover-up’ by the government and the court, whose judges are of course all on the payroll of the CIA/NSA/Mossad/Jews/Bankers/Illuminati/Reptilians/Whoever.

    • Brenda

      fuck you! just look up for fucks sake you moron!

    • iamli3

      bro we all know you’re being a shill here , but it’s about time the shills stop this shit and realize your life has already been made forfeit by these experiments , go ahead and get a blood test from a reputable firm for nano sized particles and post us the results of the test (we already have hundreds of state certified lab tests from around the globe proving a global off the charts level of toxic heavy metal contamination , but you don’t care about that , but maybe you’ll care about your own blood) , i mc.fucken dare you…..

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        Am I a shill? Yes, I’m a shill—for science, logic, and reason. If you want me to believe this ‘chemtrails’ bullshit is true, then you’ll have to provide solid, irrefutable evidence for it. Claims by paranoid, out-of-touch-with-reality conspiracy nutters don’t qualify as evidence, claims from alleged ‘experts’ who don’t back their claims with solid evidence don’t qualify either.
        Show me the documents proving that the government has some Big Secret Plan to spray us all with chemicals to control us. Show me the contracts between the government and the producers of those chemicals that prove the government regularly places huge orders for those chemicals. Show me the evidence that the trucks leaving those chemical plants contain ‘chemtrails’ to be delivered to the government. Show me the written orders for pilots to spray chemicals from high altitude, and include plane registration numbers and flight plans.
        Rather than suggesting I get my blood tested, you should prove that those ‘chemtrails’ are real. And while you’re at it, post proof for those ‘hundreds of state certified lab tests from around the globe.’

        • iamli3

          http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/lab-tests-2/
          http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/water-tests/
          this site is us based , there’s other people in other parts of the world that have done this as well..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Once again, the only ‘proof’ comes in the form of links to other conspiracy nutter websites. Shouldn’t you add links to Alex Jones’ YouTube channel as well?

          • iamli3

            congratulations on calling this
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            http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/

            Abstract

            The
            widespread, intentional and increasingly frequent chemical emplacement
            in the troposphere has gone unidentified and unremarked in the
            scientific literature for years. The author presents evidence that toxic
            coal combustion fly ash is the most likely aerosolized particulate
            sprayed by tanker-jets for geoengineering, weather-modification and
            climate-modification purposes and describes some of the multifold
            consequences on public health. Two methods are employed: (1) Comparison
            of 8 elements analyzed in rainwater, leached from aerosolized
            particulates, with corresponding elements leached into water from coal
            fly ash in published laboratory experiments, and (2) Comparison of 14
            elements analyzed in dust collected outdoors on a high-efficiency
            particulate air (HEPA) filter with corresponding elements analyzed in
            un-leached coal fly ash material. The results show: (1) the assemblage
            of elements in rainwater and in the corresponding experimental leachate
            are essentially identical. At a 99% confidence interval, they have
            identical means (T-test) and identical variances (F-test); and (2) the
            assemblage of elements in the HEPA dust and in the corresponding average
            un-leached coal fly ash are likewise essentially identical. The
            consequences on public health are profound, including exposure to a
            variety of toxic heavy metals, radioactive elements, and
            neurologically-implicated chemically mobile aluminum released by body
            moisture in situ after inhalation or through transdermal induction.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            an idiotic paranoid conspiracy , that takes some serious stupid….

            i
            purposefully linked to geowatch again so you would take the bait of
            trying to discredit all the links i provided by trying to claim it isn’t
            a credible source (which it is anyways)

            so yeah in by doing so
            you’ve also claimed that this highly reputable scientific journal
            publication site , isn’t , it’s not possible to even pretend to come
            back with credibility after making a statement like that , you’re over
            it’s done , you’ll never convince anyone of your pay master’s lies , you
            should just stop…..

            but you wont cause shills always have the
            last comment , it’s what is visible at the end of a conversation so
            that’s where you’ll get the most views for what you’re getting paid to
            lie about…..

            also it would help to make it a slight challenge to
            identify shills if you weren’t all so equally stupid and predictable in
            conversation cues……but why do i bother telling you that , you don’t
            think , so it’s not like you could do anything with that information
            anyways , and then the game gets boring for me….

          • Renee LaChapelle

            Eh, Alex Jones was the first to blow the whistle on a host of things and now he is proving to be correct on most of them such as 9/11 False Flag. If the gov’t will kill 3000, we need to ask ourselves what won’t they do to gain their evil agenda, NWO, Agenda 21. Chemtrails are not the only form of eugenics being used: vaccines which cause autism, GMO’s in the food supply, fluoride, lead, radiation in the water supply, Big Pharma, always claiming the cure is coming but pushing band aids which cause people to become sicker. So far as who will do The Elite’s dirty work? Robots. They don’t need people anymore. We are not only witnessing a takeover but it is a technocracy takeover. I could go on. I don’t have proof of Chemtrails and the harmful effects but I don’t trust the government as they work in secrecy all the while spying on us.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Alex Jones isn’t a whistleblower, he’s one of the world’s biggest conspiracy nutters. None of his claims have ever been proven, the only thing Jones has proven is that he’s paranoid, delusional, and completely out of touch with reality.
            So, tell me, how much does Alex Jones pay you to be his shill and repeat all those not-backed-by-any-evidence claims?

          • Renee LaChapelle

            How dare you call me such, Jeroen. I don’t get paid one single dime from Alex Jones or anyone. The only satisfaction I get is in getting out the truth in hopes of waking a few people up to the tyranny and treason. We are losing America. I cannot put it anymore blunter. And, to note: Many of Joneses claims from 20 years ago are coming to fruition so you might want to take heed and hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Why shouldn’t I call you a paid shill for Alex Jones? I get called a paid shill for BigPharma (and BigCorp, and the government, and every other organisation you hate) all the time by your kind for pointing out the flaws and the science denial in your claims, and asking questions you don’t want to answer because the answer wouldn’t match your paranoid, delusional fantasies.

            You’re not ‘getting the truth’ out. Truth is based on facts and evidence; claims that have been debunked countless times already don’t become ‘truth’ if you just repeat them often enough. For example, you claim that vaccines cause autism, yet numerous scientific studies and meta studies, together involving over 10 million (!) children, have failed to find even a single bit of evidence for it. Yet despite all this scientific research, your kind keeps insisting that vaccines cause autism, while at the same time failing to provide the evidence for it.

          • iamli3

            if that’s the case about the ‘science of vaccines’ , then how did that itallian court rule that vaccines caused autism? could it be…..that you’re a lying shill? i think so…..

            also wrong , no one has ever called you a shill for “pointing out the flaws and the science denial in your claims,” , you’re exposed for being a shill when you deny the reality of the scientific facts being presented , such as the lab tests i linked you , how’s refuting that going btw?…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            You mean that decision by some provincial court that based its entire decision on Andrew Wakefield’s fraudulent ‘research’? You are aware that said court was later overruled by a higher court because there was and is in fact not a shred of scientific evidence linking autism to vaccines? Or is that a piece of information you prefer to ignore because it doesn’t match your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theory?

            http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/italian-mmr-autism-decision-overturned/

          • iamli3

            was not aware of the later overruling , tried to look up info , the only english site talking about this i could readily find is the blog you linked , so im unable to look into the court details themselves….

            so going by what the other blogs and news sites are saying about the case , it appears that this court ruling was based on an expert witness who gave testimony based off of andrew’s report , whatever it may be (i was unable to find it despite all the searching and link jumping im doing) , in where some of it’s points like those us court cases , were based off of testimony rather than scientific evidence , due diligence is always done when you can character assassinate the opposition eh?…..

            but as i was researching , i came across this nifty little document….

            =ok first im gonna try posting this without the link here=

            oh and would you look at that , autism is listed several times as conditions people got from being injected with toxic poisons and viruses , who would have figured?….

            the evidence on matters like these aren’t hard to find , for anyone who wants to look , but again to be clear for anyone else reading these shills im responding to here aren’t interested in looking up evidence , only in trying to distract other people from it , cause that’s what they’re being paid to do….

            so come on then mr lying shill , can you refute a report paper signed by dr. felix allerando md , a head at glaxosmithcline , that vaccines cause autism?

            of the lab tests i linked that prove the global toxic fallout from the ongoing global geoengineeing experiments? still waiting on that one but you keep ignoring it……and i think we all know why that is…….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Standard tactic: keep throwing documents that don’t prove your claims at people who don’t buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories, in the hope that they’ll give up because they have more important things to do.
            Unfortunately for you, that 1000+ page document doesn’t say vaccines cause autism. In fact, dozens of studies, involving over 10 million children in total, have not found any evidence for any link between vaccines and autism.
            You may want to learn the difference between causation and correlation. You may also want to actually read that document yourself and start getting your information from reliable sources, rather than blindly copying and pasting links from conspiracy websites, and/or links that your employer Alex Jones tells you to post.
            And while you’re at it, you may also want to learn what autism really is…

          • iamli3

            standard tactic: ignoring reality when it doesn’t suit your narrative

            the documents clearly state subjects (the children) got autism when they were vaccinated (injected with toxins and viruses)

            it’s not a third party document , it’s signed by your employer’s power structure ally gsk

            i have been diagnosed with autism btw….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            It can’t say children got autism from vaccination, because science has already proven over and over again that there’s no link between the two. But feel free to tell me on which page it says otherwise—although I doubt you can, because you’re just copying and pasting claims from this and/or other conspiracy nutter websites.

          • iamli3

            no , you can’t say children got autism from vaccinations because you’re paid to convince others that that’s not the case , where as in reality the causal mechanisms have been proven extensively for anyone who wants to look up the information , such as myself , who also found this document catching the evil doers red handed for this

            page 24 , 626 , 632 , 756 , and 992 , it’s called ctrl + F btw…..
            also , in between these over a thousand pages of lists , are all the other horrible conditions these autism sticks have been giving the current forced vaccine raised generation…..

            but the public perception on this matter is rather old , everyone already knows most of this , no sense retreading it here when we’re supposed to be talking about geoengineering….

            but hey whatever your job description says right?

            no matter for me since every single post you make is actually helping people wake up more , not less , by seeing how obvious of a shill you are…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            I realise this will be difficult to understand for someone like you who is not hindered by any intelligence, but the fact that you are a paid shill for Alex Jones doesn’t mean everyone is a paid shill. I can tell you again that I’m not getting paid by anyone to shoot holes in your pathetic, paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutters, but you’re so paranoid and delusional that you won’t believe it anyway. After all, as a paid shill for Alex Jones, you’re getting paid to only believe what that idiot tells you.

          • iamli3

            “I realise this will be difficult to understand for someone like you who is not hindered by any intelligence,”…….
            i th…ink you’re the one that has a hindered intelligence here , just what?….

            anyways i could easily flag your comment there since it’s nothing but a pile a personal attacks , trying again with the character assassination? can’t you shills come up with anything new or interesting?…..

            er but anyways , im not going to flag it cause again your comments are doing more for the cause of waking people up than trying to keep them deceived

            every response you make where you don’t refute the evidence i presented only compounds on that fact , so by all means keep shilling away….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            LOL. Even understanding the most simple questions is obviously too difficult for you. I asked you to tell me on which page it says that vaccines cause autism, I didn’t ask for a list of pages on which the word ‘autism’ occurs. The mere mentioning of the word ‘autism’ doesn’t even come close to being ‘proof’ (which doesn’t exist anyway, as science has already determined there’s no link between vaccines and autism).

          • iamli3

            oh uh you made 2 separate replies to my previous comment there? ok then…

            oh no i understood your question perfectly , my mistake was thinking you were able to read , clearly that is not the case , for if you read the introduction on the document you would see it is a report listing all the adverse effects of the vaccines that they did safety tests for , and among the thousands upon thousands of other horrible effects , autism is one of them listed on those page numbers i gave…..

            ….im reluctant for wanting to even tell your shilling self to bugger off now , im started to get worried about how mentally retarded you may actually be , how many vaccines have you yourself suffered through?….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            I looked at that page about lab tests. Observation #1: It’s posted on a conspiracy nutter website. Observation #2 is a quote from that page: ‘A second series of lab tests has now confirmed high levels of barium and aluminum in snow Dickie thinks fell through chemtrails. So far, he says, there is no other explanation for the high-levels of each chemical compound in city soils.’ In other words, the guy admits he doesn’t KNOW the cause, he only has a theory.

          • iamli3

            here’s another document that proves the source
            https://chemtrailsplanet.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/evidence-of-coal-fly-ash-toxic-chemical-geoengineering-in-the-troposphere-consequences-for-public-health.pdf
            more later , im losing power right now , but the rain water tests prove the source
            http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/water-tests/

            anything else you’d like to try and shill away today?….

          • iamli3
          • Nomad7
          • iamli3

            is that made by the same person? is that his personal blog or something? i know that’s something shills can sometimes have…..

          • Mollie Norris

            Don’t feed the trolls.

          • Nomad7
          • Nomad7

            No wonder your wife divorced you, miserable little man.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Actually, I divorced her. Once again, the conspiracy nutters can’t get their facts straight.

            So, tell me, why are you hiding behind anonimity? Afraid people will recognise you as the guy who lives down the street in that house with the ‘A Registered Sex Offender Lives Here’ sign in the front yard? Hiding your monthly pay by Alex Jones from the IRS?

          • JLS

            I beg to disagree, Alex figured out that he could make a lot of money selling this to the gullible, his bank account now has over 7 figures in it, he was just a flat broke radio commentator when he started.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Well, he needs the money. Paying dozens, if not hundreds, of his shills to help spread his paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories must really add up over time.

          • JLS

            If i earned as much money as Alex, why would i ever tell the truth?

        • Pete Mack

          I remember very clearly what contrails looked like when I was a kid. Never did they span the horizon, they dissipated almost instantly. When did the laws of physics change to support your arguements?

        • davidrlindsay

          And don’t tell us it’s not possible for one of you nutters to fly a plane, a balloon, etc, manned or unmanned through one and gather a sample to prove their BS. Wonder why that hasn’t happened? They would have their undeniable proof, which is why you won’t see it done. F’ing idiots. See how easy it is to shoot down your lunacy?

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            I’m still waiting for the conspiracy nutters to actually do that, but apparently they’re too lazy for that, and prefer to just keep posting the same bullshit over and over again. But hey, they’re getting paid by Alex Jones to do that, if they stop it would mean the end of that generous monthly paycheck.

          • iamli3

            actually that’s not even necessary , as i figured out yesterday

            we’re not the only ones claiming something positive here , you are as well ,
            but you are also lacking the same kind of evidence to prove you shilling
            position as you are demanding of us

            so in actuality we don’t have to prove a thing to your shill claim that the aerosol trails being sprayed by the jet tankers are contrails until you actually gets that ridiculous evidence for yourself to prove that it is….

            in the mean time we can keep sharing all the other evidence we have on this geoengineering matter……

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Those white lines in the sky are contrails. If you want to claim they’re ‘chemtrails’ and that the government (or whoever) is spraying chemicals, it’s up to you to prove it. The fact that decades after this ‘chemtrails’ nonsense started, you still haven’t proven any of it, speaks volumes. So far, every single bit of ‘evidence’ you’ve come up (and repeated ad infinitum) has been debunked.
            Must be a pretty good paycheck from Alex Jones you get every month, if you keep repeating the same bullshit even when you get proven wrong over and over again.

          • iamli3

            “Those white lines in the sky are contrails.”

            prove it
            you have yet to prove this , because you can’t , i’ve already proven that they’re intentionally dispersed aerosol trails from the contamination of the toxic fallout from them in different ways , and by proven i mean with hard evidence not bad arguments which is all you have presented , it will be funny to see you try though…..

            >every single bit of ‘evidence’ you’ve come up (and repeated ad infinitum) has been debunked.

            LORLFORLFORLMROROLOLLULUZLZ , BY YOU JUST DECLARING THAT TO BE THE CASE FOR NO REASON RIGHT?! fÜck me that’s funny…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Gawd, you really are too stupid to understanding anything other than the instructions from your employer Alex Jones, aren’t you? If you want to accuse the government of shady practices, it’s up to you to prove it (which you so far have failed to do), not for other to prove you wrong.
            Let me apply your standard conspiracy nutter tactic to something that will undoubtedly hit close to home for you, so that perhaps you will come to see the light. You are a rapist, a child molester, and a child murderer. Prove me wrong.

          • iamli3

            >asks to prove case
            >get’s called more names
            fÜck that’s funny!….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            My case has already been proven—by that pesky little thing called SCIENCE. So, when’s that proof coming that you’re not a rapist, a child molester, and a child murderer? Because, you know, you seem rather in favour of the ‘guilty until proven innocent’ approach.

          • iamli3

            EEEEnope the site you linked to was a blog by some shity person who’s not even a scientist , and you’re a shity shill , and im still laughing my ass off at your persistent display of shilling XD ….

          • iamli3

            actually that’s not even necessary , as i figured out yesterday

            we’re not the only ones claiming something positive here , jeroen is as well , but he is also lacking the same kind of evidence to prove his shilling position as he is demanding of us

            so in actuality we don’t have to prove a thing to his claim that the aerosol trails being sprayed by the jet tankers are contrails until he actually gets that ridiculous evidence for himself to prove that it is….

            in the mean time we can keep sharing all the other evidence we have on this geoengineering matter……

          • Katheryn Kerr

            So your saying that there havent been any such type of “samples” gathered as to support this accusation? That is where you are woefully ignorant. Research much?

          • David

            Oh, do show me where it’s been done. Something so easy to prove unequivocally and yet it remains in the realm of nutjobs.

        • JLS

          Jeroen, my dad used to say when you argue with a nut, its hard to tell the sane person from the peanut gallery.

      • Mollie Norris

        Hel’s already sold his soul; nothing more to lose.

    • jackie

      haha… love it .rothchilds..trilateral commission…dick cheney…

      • Mollie Norris

        Committee of 300; owners of the East India Trading Company who spread opium addiction across Asia and Europe.

    • Troll Hunter

      And the water isn’t toxic, the food supply is cancerous. Heroin epidemic flown in from Afghanistan. It’s population reduction, part of the future. It’s always conspiracy nuts if your not parroting CNN . Keep your eyes closed tight sir, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        The drug trade has nothing to do with some ‘secret agenda’ or ‘New World Order’ or anything similar. The drug trade is at its core just a matter of business and economics. You may want to look up information about ‘the law of supply and demand.’

        • iamli3

          business and monetary economics are the problem here , there is no infinite growth on a finite planet , and sustainable growth is an oxymoron…..

        • englishvinal

          I believe that “Jeroen” is a paid to post TROLL…
          nobody is that unaware.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            You’re mistaking me for that paranoid, delusional ‘iamli3’ character and his many aliases, who is clearly a paid shill for Alex Jones. Heck, I started ignoring him because nothing intelligent came out of him, and suddenly I get comments from conspiracy idiots I haven’t encountered before, which leads me to believe that you, englishvinal, and almost everyone else here, are all one and the same person. You certainly match the profile.

          • and

            Stop it , your embarrassing us intelligent folk .

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            ROTFLMAO. First you spent weeks flooding this page with comments filled with hate and paranoid delusion, whilst cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘iamli3’ and a default avatar. Yesterday morning I noticed you hadn’t replied at all, which suggested you had finally realised I was not going to buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories.

            But then you created a new account, again cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘and’ this time, and sent out about ten replies. You really must be desperate for attention.

          • iamli3

            i would be embarrassed too if i wasn’t having such a great time milking this shill for lulz XD…..

          • Rick Tufts

            I agree.

        • and

          Thats just cognitive dissonance bro .
          hows afghan herion make it out of a war zone durig the war on terror ?
          Shoes ? Diapers ?

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            ROTFL. First you spent weeks flooding this page with comments filled with hate and paranoid delusion, whilst cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘iamli3’ and a default avatar. Yesterday morning I noticed you hadn’t replied at all, which suggested you had finally realised I was not going to buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories.

            But then you created a new account, again cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘and’ this time, and sent out about ten replies. You really must be desperate for attention.

    • Johnny Jones

      Heres a link to a web site that does weather modification other wise known as cloud seating. As for your obtuse opinions about “nutters”, just shove that foot of yours a little futher in your mouth. And then after you check out the web site I sent you, you can take your foot out of your mouth and pull your head out of the sand. CIA/ mossad ect? Ha ha

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        So, tell me, exactly how much does Alex Jones pay you every month to spread his paranoid, delusional conspiracy fantasies and insult people who, unlike you and your kind, are smart enough to see through that bullshit and point out all the flaws in those paranoid fantasies?

        • Nomad7

          Cut and paste people, nothing to see here – just a little Euro-monkey ranting because his wife walked out on him.

          http://jeroenvanbaardwijk.com/

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Carry on, people, nothing to see here, just a cowardly-hiding-behind-anonimity, paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter who hides his identity because he doesn’t want you to find out he’s been convicted for multiple counts of child rape—including his own kids.

          • Gary Olds

            Had your arse handed to ya and carnt take it, Well boo hoo .You obviously never got the beating you deserved, Must be because your father liked to put his hands in your pants and share you around with his mates,daddies little boy, Carnt call it rape in your case because you like it!

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            I suspect a massive case of projection here. I take it you now defend your habit of raping children by claiming you’re a victim yourself? Must have really sucked that the court didn’t agree with you and sent you off to prison anyway, huh? Let me guess, you now actually need to be a paid shill for Alex Jones because you need to money to pay compensation to your victims? Guess getting a real job was too difficult for you.

          • englishvinal

            TROLL….. earning his 30 pieces of silver.

          • and

            Pathetic , sad to read your fear .

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            You’re so funny. First you spent weeks flooding this page with comments filled with hate and paranoid delusion, whilst cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘iamli3’ and a default avatar. Yesterday morning I noticed you hadn’t replied at all, which suggested you had finally realised I was not going to buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories.

            But then you created a new account, again cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘and’ this time, and sent out about ten replies. You really must be desperate for attention.

          • iamli3

            fear -.o? but this shill is trying to convince everyone that there’s nothing wrong , we’re the ones saying there’s something we should be concerned about…..

          • iamli3

            ok now that’s just funny too hahah XD ….

          • Katheryn Kerr

            OUCH!!! I hope he has insurance because thoes third degree burns are going to hurt for a while!!

          • iamli3

            <3

          • Dunk Ster

            wow…child rape huh? YOU are the one saying these evil things. so its obviously you who thinks these things…these are dark disgusting thoughts that are running through YOUR mind. yet you come on here slagging others off for their beliefs and make out others to be ‘sick’… You wanna check yourself in pal before the kids get hurt! Jeroen Van Kiddyfiddler

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Ah, another cowardly-anonymous hater who believes that insulting people is a mature way of having a discussion. I can only wonder what you have to hide…
            You may want to read all the vitriol that has come my way from that paranoid, delusional Alex Jones shill who cowardly hides behind the alias ‘iamli3.’ Then again, you probably know exactly what he’s been vomiting, because I suspect that you’re on and the same guy; you appear to use a whole bunch of aliases here.

          • iamli3

            oh noes , mean words spoken over the internets , tumbler help me! :c…..

            also maybe if you stopped acting like a retarded power structure creepy child raping shill , people wouldn’t be making so much fun of you for it LOL…..

          • englishvinal

            Boo! TROLL.

          • iamli3

            lol this is great you’ve made like a dozen comments one after another in every reply chain calling him out for being a troll/shill , my work has paid off XD ….

          • englishvinal

            TROLL…. ignore Judas’s…. they get PAID to “post balancing information”.

          • and

            Funny how the paid shills always go with pedophilia , seems like a case of mirroring for the masters

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Funny. First you spent weeks flooding this page with comments filled with hate and paranoid delusion, whilst cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘iamli3’ and a default avatar. Yesterday morning I noticed you hadn’t replied at all, which suggested you had finally realised I was not going to buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories.

            But then you created a new account, again cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘and’ this time, and sent out about ten replies. You really must be desperate for attention.

        • Psalm72:8 is Canada’s foundat

          You’re one of those sick fucks willing to destroy yourself and your family to collaborate with the system! I forget the name of that mental illness, but it is in the text books. Yes chemtrails are real, and you sir seem to be one of the few people left in this world not convinced of that. The whole establishment is free falling, it isn’t working and you are still selling out to it???

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            I never cease to be amazed by the delusional belief of conspiracy nutters that they are a majority, rather than a tiny fringe group whose only contribution to the world is their entertainment value. I’m still waiting, together with the rest of the intelligent part of the population, for the hard, irrefutable evidence for these imaginary ‘chemtrails,’ so far all I get are links to other conspiracy websites and links to documents that don’t prove anything either. The only thing conspiracy nutters have managed to prove, is that they’re paranoid, delusional, out of touch with reality morons.

          • Katheryn Kerr

            See there you go again, calling names, very professional!! Touched a nerve huh? I believe you are scared, and its okay to be scared. Yes, the very thought of the implications that this “chemtrail conspiracy” theory would mean, is like something out of a horror movie. And i think you are REALLY having a hard time admitting this.

            Yes, this is terrifying to even imagine that not just our own government, but governing types of entities across the globe are involved in. Its more than scary!!!

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Oddly enough, I don’t hear you about your fellow conspiracy nutters hurling insults whenever someone disagrees with them. Judging by their behaviour, I pretty much have to throw insults back because the only way to get through the thick skulls and the empty space within the skulls of conspiracy nutters is to lower myself to their level.
            But no, I’m not scared of the implications of this ‘chemtrails’ stuff, because there’s after decades of your conspiracy nutters rambling on about it, you still haven’t been able to actually prove it. No reason to be afraid of something that doesn’t even exist.

          • iamli3

            wrong , we laughed at it when others called you names in response to you shilling , cause we’re making fun of how shitty your shilling attempts here are , so please keep it up it’s become the highlights of my mornings of recent to see a retard consistently make a fool of himself in a public forum and get laughed at for it 😀 ……

          • Katheryn Kerr

            Real quick, i re-read your first post (and by the way, you launched the first insults) you said……”However, as these ‘chemtrails’ only exist in the delusional minds of conspiracy nutters, they cannot be sprayed, therefore the practice of spraying ‘chemtrails’ doesn’t exist” ……what did you mean when you said ‘they cannot be sprayed’?

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            The fact that you can’t understand the phrase ‘they cannot be sprayed’ speaks volumes about your lack of intelligence. Surely you’ll be able to find a six-year-old in your neighbourhood who will be able to explain it to you.

          • englishvinal

            Nasty name calling TROLL… trying to get people all worked up.

          • amable

            i guess this responds intendt looks forward to be that of an “enligthened mind” the one that knows that nothing real can be threathened so nothing unreal exist(i am trying to citate what in course in miracles is being shown about LIFE versus life so to say) Hope this helps… 😉

          • iamli3

            dude , i have no idea what you’re saying….

          • englishvinal

            TROLL… paid to insult and discredit facts. “nutter” is such a trite term.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Paid to insult and discredit facts? Sorry, nope, you’re once again mistaking me for your alter-ego ‘iamli3.’

          • and

            How bout curiosity ?
            Like your fluoride eh?

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            You’re hilarious. First you spent weeks flooding this page with comments filled with hate and paranoid delusion, whilst cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘iamli3’ and a default avatar. Yesterday morning I noticed you hadn’t replied at all, which suggested you had finally realised I was not going to buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories.

            But then you created a new account, again cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘and’ this time, and sent out about ten replies. You really must be desperate for attention.

          • and

            A majority would mean you had a little support , no?
            So , your the minority and proud .
            solid reasoning

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            So funny. First you spent weeks flooding this page with comments filled with hate and paranoid delusion, whilst cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘iamli3’ and a default avatar. Yesterday morning I noticed you hadn’t replied at all, which suggested you had finally realised I was not going to buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories.

            But then you created a new account, again cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘and’ this time, and sent out about ten replies. You really must be desperate for attention.

            The absence of the majority who don’t buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories is easily explained: all us intelligent folk realise you’re just a paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter who doesn’t have a life, but while most of us just laugh at you and your kind and then ignore you, I stick around for the entertainment. Your desperate and futile attempts to talk yourself out of the corner I keep talking you into, are quite entertaining.

          • Carpe Noctem

            You are about as willfully ignorant as they come. This topic has been covered extensively by both mainstream media and alternative , although much earlier by the latter, thereby proving a so called “theory” correct, again.
            Just for fun, how about you go and look up
            -United States Patent and Trademark Office: patent#1892132 Atomizing Attachment For Airplane Engine Exhausts.
            or
            patent#3899144 August 12,1975 – Powder Contrail Generation
            or
            patent#4362271 December 7, 1982 – Procedure for the Artificial Modification of Atmospheric Precipitation as well as Compounds With a Dimethyl Sulfoxide base for use in carrying out said procedure.
            Theres over 200 of the like from 1930s to 2005.

            Or you could check out the Department of Energy Tropospheric Aerosol Program.
            Environmental Sciences Division. ER-74.
            That is, unless of course, those entities are just full of ole conspiracy nutters in your opinion.?
            This sh!t exists. Whether you like it or not. Now do your research, and shut the fLIck up.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Hilariously funny, really, being called ‘wilfully ignorant’ by a paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter, a member of a population group that has turned ignorance into a lifestyle… 🙂

            But anyway, chemtrails don’t exist—go do your research.

          • Carpe Noctem

            I presented you with the research, fool. Your ignorance is astounding. You are officially beyond help. I give you concrete evidence and you mock it. Go lay down in front of a bus. You reduce the average intelligence quotient of the planet by existing.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            And here we go again, standard paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter tactic: cowardly hide behind an alias, cowardly hide behind a standard avatar, and insult people you disagree with. And you morons still want to maintain that you’re morally and intellectually superior? Nothing of what you posted proves that these alleged ‘chemtrails’ exist. Which is understandable, because ‘chemtrails’ do indeed only exist in the delusional minds of paranoid conspiracy nutters.
            BTW, I have an IQ of 132, which puts me in the intellectual top 2% of the world. So, really, if you want to improve the average IQ of the world population, you’re the one that should remove himself/herself from the planet. And while you’re at it, go for maximum effect and take all the other paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutters with you.

          • iamli3

            people will often participate in any cult like behavior (such as being hired as a shill) for the most minuscule promise of financial and emotional stability and comfort , it will lead to the downfall of what little social and technological progress our modern societies have accomplished if we can’t can’t put a stop to it by convincing those such as jeroen here of a better way of living life…..

        • HenkeHell

          Cloud seeding have as much in common with chemtrails as aspirin have with heroin.

        • Katheryn Kerr

          Are you denying that there are weather modification companies out there?

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Weather modification is one thing. Allegedly spraying ‘chemtrails’ to control or wipe out the population (or whatever your specific version of the ‘chemtrails’ conspiracy claims) is something completely different. Nice try though, trying to move from the latter subject to the former to prevent having to admit this whole ‘chemtrails’ stuff is just paranoid, delusional bullshit that’s not supported by any evidence.

          • iamli3

            you literally can’t have 1 without the other , because the later is the result of the former , but being the paid shill you are you’re going to continue to try to instill that cognitive dissonance in anyone you can for your paycheck and pension….

          • englishvinal

            How much do your employers pay you .. TROLL?

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Due to absence of any employers, I’m not getting paid by any employers. The fact that you are getting paid by Alex Jones to spread his fake stories (and under various aliases) doesn’t mean everyone is getting paid. People like me simply rely on science, evidence, and logical thinking.

          • and

            Well , ignorance such as your leads to unemployment ,, who knew .

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Hilariously funny. First you spent weeks flooding this page with comments filled with hate and paranoid delusion, whilst cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘iamli3’ and a default avatar. Yesterday morning I noticed you hadn’t replied at all, which suggested you had finally realised I was not going to buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories.

            But then you created a new account, again cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘and’ this time, and sent out about ten replies. You really must be desperate for attention.

          • and

            Logic fail .
            one asks for proof , ignores proof when presented .
            poor loser

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Hilariously funny. First you spent weeks flooding this page with comments filled with hate and paranoid delusion, whilst cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘iamli3’ and a default avatar. Yesterday morning I noticed you hadn’t replied at all, which suggested you had finally realised I was not going to buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories.

            But then you created a new account, again cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘and’ this time, and sent out about ten replies. You really must be desperate for attention.

            Quite funny too, to see how paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutters like you first demand from intelligent, educated people that they prove your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories wrong, then ignore that proof when presented, and then accuse those same intelligent, educated people of copying your behaviour.

          • iamli3

            logic fail , but narrative success , remember people that’s all the shills have to push on other people at this point , the most crucial thing we can do is to keep calling them out on it when we see it , which isn’t always as obvious and easy to do as it is with this jeroen shill here lol…..

        • englishvinal

          TROLL~! Ignore forthwith.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Quite funny to see how, in typical right-wing-extremist, paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter fashion, you first tell people to ignore me, and then continue to post replies to my comments. You really are desperate for attention, aren’t you? I mean, you’re even using multiple aliases to post here.
            What happened in your childhood? Did mummy and daddy not give you enough attention? Are you desperate because you’re so ugly you’re condemned to life as a single? That would at least explain why you’re cowardly hiding behind a fake name and a default avatar.

    • Rachel Rivait

      One can see plainly something odd happening. Why is it that some days the sky is clear then gets criss crossed with white which then turrns to a haze covering the whole sky. Then the next day, same weather, temperature and other conditions and….nothing. The jets are still flying, why is there no haze?

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        Those planes fly at an altitude of around 30,000 feet. Whether contrails form and remain visible depends on the atmospheric conditions up there, not on the atmospheric conditions on ground level.

        • Gary Olds

          You just shot yourself in the foot! lol Contrails are not possible under 63,000 feet hahaha not to mention the conditions still have to be perfect and that the engines themselves you say cause contrails is bogus, The science is there. Blood knob!

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Interesting. Jet engines used to make contrails, but they suddenly stopped because a conspiracy website says jet engines can’t make contrails. How sloppy of all those engineers to forget to tell those engines they can’t make contrails.

          • englishvinal

            TROLL…. and first class liar… you are boring Jeroen.

          • Bob Solo

            LMAO. This is made by that Russ Tanner guy who claims to be able to smell 13 different types of “chemtrail” 5 minutes after he sees a contrail in the sky.

            Surely you’re not that gullible?

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Of course Gary Olds is that gullible; he is, after all, a conspiracy nutter. Gullibility is one of the non-negotiable job requirements for their kind.

        • Gary Olds

          hahaha your so full of shit im amazed you can move at all, You have nothing ! You bullshit is exposed and you along with it. Your remaining here is mute. for you to continue to lie here proves your a payed shill. Worthless trash.Im done with you blood knob time to go find more of your kind trolling the web. Its been fun for me anyway, Dont let the door hit you on the way out!

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Yay, more projection behaviour. You and your kind are the ones who get their bullshit exposed over and over again. That’s why your paranoid, delusional kind habitually uses insults and personal attacks to shut up the opposition—because you can’t handle the truth. Well, that, and because you do after all have to do your job as a paid shill for Alex Jones. If you’d suddenly start preferring facts over conspiracy fiction, that generous monthly paycheck would disappear, and then you might suddenly find yourself forced to go find an honest job.

          • Gary Olds

            hahahaha blood knob your a hoot! You lose, I even added some of your science too….hahahhaha!!!!!!!

          • englishvinal

            Jeroen is a TROLL for the political agenda…. paid to post disinformation in an irritating nasty way.

    • JLS

      Well said Jeroen, one just needs to look at the bank accounts of people like Alex Jones, and those making a living off of the paranoia.

      • iamli3

        i guarantee you it’s A LOT smaller than the bank accounts of ratheon and gsk and the like :l ….

        • englishvinal

          Touche’

    • Katheryn Kerr

      WHERE IS YOUR DATA TO BACK UP YOUR MOUTHPIECE??

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        I’ve been asking conspiracy nutters that same question for years. I’m still waiting for an answer. BTW, get your keyboard cleaned, your Caps Lock key appears to be stuck.

        • iamli3

          it’s also hilarious to see you continuing to monitor this thread to reply to any new post speaking out about the geoengineering to try to shill the public discourse away from that , and every comment you make is as if you’re pretending the dozens of comments we’ve exchanged in this very thread where i’ve linked you about a dozen hard pieces of evidence that you can’t refute (the coal fly ash paper was a trick as i explained in my other reply) never happened , every single comment you make exposes your agenda more and more it’s great , for me , cause i don’t even have to engage what you’re saying anymore i can just point to all your posts and your shill intent is beyond obvious…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            MWUHAHAHAHAHA! You still haven’t proven anything other than the fact that you’re a paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter and a paid shill for Alex Jones. Every single bit of ‘proof’ you’ve linked to has been proven false. And no, you posting the link to the coal fly ash paper wasn’t a trick, it’s one of the many links you conspiracy nutters keep using over and over again; you just don’t want to admit you were wrong.

          • iamli3

            eeenope again my evidence still stands , the only evidence you were able to directly refute was that coal fly ash paper , and again that was a trap to get you to adhere to a proper standard of discussion , to prove your obvious shilling attempts all the more

            but since you’re legitimately to retarded to understand that , i’ll just point out that i already made a comment a couple weeks ago on here to you linking the original post of that paper on the mdpi site which clearly states above the paper that it was redacted , among with many other links to verifiable sources of data , which you never responded to cause you figured that would be the best way to make sure nobody else sees that evidence either….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Sure, the link to that specific document was just a trap. I guess that’s why you continue to use it in futile attempts to convince people your pathetic fantasies are truth, despite every said document (and every other bit of ‘proof’ you’ve provided) having been proven false.

          • iamli3

            provide 1 post where i linked to that doc doing so after i linked it to you again and you did the research on it….oh wait you can’t cause you’re a butt hurt little retarded shill 😀 ….

          • englishvinal

            Jerone is a TROLL… and he is baiting you all…. blow him off.

        • englishvinal

          TROLL…. ignore.

    • graham321

      Do you walk around looking down looking at the ground? Have a look at the sky next time you are out, those are NOT contrails, they are chemtrails. There are pics of the insides of the planes that are doing the spraying on the internet, there are no seats in there, so it is not passenger jets doing this, it is military converted planes that are doing it. There are videos on YouTube with the pilots who are doing this who are talking about it, it’s all evidence. You might not like Alex Jones, but he is right on this one.

      • iamli3

        you must be new here , this jeroen character is a total shill , just take a look at the comment history here , my interactions with him prove it for all to see….

        • graham321

          I am new to this one, but have met the likes of him almost everywhere, they make me sick because they are either NOT from this planet, in which case i wish they’d just F off back home, or else they are stupid, and no-one is that stupid? Or maybe they just like being obtuse and are paid to do what it is that they are doing.

          • iamli3

            the later is very much the case here , as einstein said
            there are 2 things that are infinite

            the universe
            and human stupidity

            and im not sure about the universe……

            but im still getting a good laugh out of his shilling attempts so it’s all good 😀 ….

          • Katheryn Kerr

            I love Einstein quotes. Man if he was around today to see us now!!! Tsk…tsk. So this ‘Shill-be’ fella, you think he is really on their payroll? Lol. Idk. Im new to this whole shill n troll stuff.

          • iamli3

            if einstein were alive today he would probably shoot himself in the head cause he would recognize that would be a better way to die than continuing to see where our current species is headed….ahhahah how morbid that humor….

            but yes jeroen character is display many well trodden shilling behaviors here and i have no doubt in my mind he is legitimately part of the psychological operation to counter intelligence the public awareness of this issue , these tactics are nothing new and their use by power structures of previous societies has been very well documented , i gtg right now though but i could provide all kinds of stuff to look into if you’d like…..

          • Bob Solo

            The shill / troll stuff is thrown out by paranoid, gullible people who have nothing to back up their argument rather than accusing the likes of the 98% of people who aren’t stupid enough to believe in “chemtrails” shills.

            All it does is indicate defeat and a total lack of evidence.

          • iamli3

            if i link you the irrefutable scientific evidence proving the case right here and now will you stfu and admit to your shilling?….

            well actually i already know the answer to that , you’ll never admit to the shilling , but you will stfu like the other shill did , wont even respond to the comment i left him linking to the evidence , cause that’s what you shill’s real goal is here , to try and keep as many eyes away from the evidence as possible

            so what say you mr another shity shill on this thread?….

          • Gary Olds
          • iamli3

            both we and they know that some of the larger organizations that has stakes in this game have admitted to the geoengineering reality in one form or another , but these paid shills we’re dealing with here are tasked with trying to keep others from being aware of it for as long as they possibly can….

          • Gary Olds

            Game over dick wad hahahahahaha

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        Yeah, yeah, I know, your kind has been going on about contrails allegedly being ‘chemtrails’ for decades. Oddly enough, every single bit of ‘proof’ you’ve provided so far has been debunked. Here’s a link that explains what those tanks in aircraft are for.

        https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-chemtrail-plane-interior-ballast-barrels.t661/

    • Mira

      how misinformed you are! Ignorance is bliss as they say….

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        Ignorance is bliss, indeed. Conspiracy nutters like Alex Jones make millions by taking advantage of the ignorance of their shills.

    • englishvinal

      You don’t LOOK at the skies? IF you don’t then you should… and when you do then YOU can call what you see up there whatever you want…
      Legitimate flights do NOT lay down trails that are dense and thick, the exhaust from normal airliners dissipate like steam in cool air.. But the trails, that these literally hundreds of planes crisscrossing each other’s paths like a checkerboard, spread horizontally and blend together eventually creating a haze that blocks the sun.. and the sky.

      How OLD are you Jeroen?… You look as if you are in your 40’s.. surely you can recall CLEAR skies day after day in the summertime? Then explain to me and the readers.. “WHERE did they go”?

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        1: You may want to do some research on contrails. How visible they are and how long they last depend on atmospheric conditions. Depending on those, they may disappear almost instantly or last for days and gradually spread out, and everything in between.
        2. When I was a kid, there were already contrails. There were just fewer of them because air traffic has increased significantly since those days. More jet aircraft up there –> more contrails.

        • iamli3

          1 , you may want to stop ignoring evidence that contradicts your claims , lest more random people come here to this public forum and make fun of you for being a retard shill

          the pilot that speaks first in this panel has more experience and credibility than the other pilot’s blog you link to there
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOEJTzo1Cnk

          so not only does your link to this blog clearly not refute anything , but now i’ve actually provided the testimony which clearly refutes the blog you link to hahaha…..

          2 , everything else i’ve linked that proves that

          “that vaccines cause autism
          https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

          and that there’s a global contamination from the toxic fallout of the ongoing global geoengineering experiments
          http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/108/12/2173.pdf
          http://www.arizonaskywatch.com/charts/our%20charts/index.html
          http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987704000222
          http://hubpages.com/politics/Multiple-Official-Sources-Confirm-Chemtrails-Geoengineering-Are-Real-Research-Is-Ongoing

          and an instance of the main method of this geoengineering – stratospheric aerosol injection from jet tankers
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFCS_OdDsJw

          3 i already instantly knew when i saw this english guy’s bunch of comments that you would claim he and i are the same person without evidence , and in contrary to the part where the only thing that guy is saying to you is that you’re a troll/shill , which is something i’ve already done in every one of my comments on all our reply chains , so to make more replies to those comments that already had been replied to like that is unnecessary redundancy which i am against so lol no that isn’t something i would do , you “paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter” shill you…..

          now how bout admitting to the validity of the evidence already yeh?…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            ‘unnecessary redundancy which i am against’ <– Which is why you keep repeating the same insults and keep posting the same links to the same fake 'evidence' over and over again, and keep creating new aliases to make it seem as if you're not the only here who is a paranoid, delusional conspiracy idiot. Must have pissed you off bigtime that I saw right through that. Thanks for showing the world you're really desperate for attention, saves me the work of doing it for you.

            And hey, thanks for posting the same links over and over again, despite all that 'evidence' having been proven false already. It does an excellent job of confirming that paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutters like you have this insane belief that if you repeat conspiracy fiction often enough, it will somehow magically become truth. It also does an excellent job of showing the rest of the world that you're a paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter whose sole contribution to the world is his entertainment value.

            Now, how about you finally admit your 'evidence' doesn't prove anything other than the fact that you're a paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter and a paid shill/troll for Alex Jones? It's obvious that you suffer from severe mental illnesses, and you definitely need treatment for that, but the first step to treatment and possible cure is to accept that you suffer from severe mental illnesses.

          • iamli3

            siiiiigh can you shills try and be at least a little slightly less predictable when you make your responses?

            like again i already knew as i was typing out my previous comment the things you were going to take from it and respond with , and i had made my response to that before posting it , so effectively i was ahead of you on today’s reply which took away some of the fun of it being my morning highlight again :/ ….

            on a plus side though , geowatch has just introduced the us legal team http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineeringwatch-org-introduces-the-us-anti-geoengineering-legal-team/?inf_contact_key=b156058532700d848228b77963ed378bf00ed21eb9fc76f92825cd44b0be157c

            sweet so their lawsuit mustn’t be far behind , can you see the writing on the wall yet mr shill? we’re coming for you…..

            ….oh right! that’s how you force someone to stop hiding behind language , you have to demand they qualify their statements , thus revealing they were lying the whole time and have no idea what they were even talking about….

            well by all means go ahead and explain exactly how “all that ‘evidence’ having been proven false already”

            you can’t , cause you never did , but i wanna see you admit it c’mon make my day again c: …..

            ……hey wait a second! i had new evidence posted in my previous comments yesterday! LOL HOW CAN YOU CLAIM YOU PROVED FALSE NEW EVIDENCE THAT WAS NEVER EVEN LOOKED AT?! FUCKING ROFL MAN YOU’RE TOO GOOD XD …..

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOEJTzo1Cnk

            that’s a new piece of evidence i linked to , can’t wait to hear you ignore it again while claiming to have already debunked it lol!….

            and the rest again , oh oh yeah about what i already knew about your response , yeah here’s the difference since you couldn’t tell , these repeat linkings are necessary as they satisfy the dual fold purpose of giving people credible data on this matter while also dispelling disinfo agents like yourself…..

            “that vaccines cause autism
            https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

            and that there’s a global contamination from the toxic fallout of the ongoing global geoengineering experiments
            http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/108/12/2173.pdf
            http://www.arizonaskywatch.com/charts/our%20charts/index.html
            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987704000222
            http://hubpages.com/politics/Multiple-Official-Sources-Confirm-Chemtrails-Geoengineering-Are-Real-Research-Is-Ongoing

            and an instance of the main method of this geoengineering – stratospheric aerosol injection from jet tankers
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFCS_OdDsJw

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Standard Conspiracy Nutter Method:

            Step 1: Paranoid, delusional, science-denying conspiracy nutter posts hilariously funny and totally absurd conspiracy theory
            Step 2: Intelligent, science-oriented people ask for evidence that supports the theory
            Step 3: Paranoid, delusional, science-denying conspiracy nutter posts links to pages, videos and documents with alleged ‘proof’
            Step 3: Paranoid, delusional, science-denying conspiracy nutter watches in horror as ‘proof’ gets debunked by intelligent, science-oriented people
            Step 4: Paranoid, delusional, science-denying conspiracy nutter ignores debunking of ‘proof,’ starts insulting opponents
            Step 5: Paranoid, delusional, science-denying conspiracy nutter returns to step 2. Repeat cycle ad infinitum, or at least until intelligent, science-denying people decide the paranoid, delusional, science-denying conspiracy nutter is no longer entertaining but has become boring with his endless repeats of the same bullshit, and leave because unlike the paranoid, delusional, science-denying conspiracy nutter, they actually have a life.

            Quite funny therefore, being told by paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter that I’m ‘predictable in your responses.’

          • iamli3

            bloody hell shills are worse than feminism aren’t you? how many times can you use the same meaningless buzz words in a single post XD ?….

            also did you miss the part where i pointed out that you’ve ignored new evidence several times now? honestly who do you think you’re fooling when you make a claim that it ‘got debunked by intelligent, science-oriented people’ when everyone can see you haven’t even acknowledged the new evidence?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOEJTzo1Cnk

            let alone actually disproved any of the other hard evidence i’ve been linking to

            “that vaccines cause autism
            https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

            and that there’s a global contamination from the toxic fallout of the ongoing global geoengineering experiments
            http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/108/12/2173.pdf
            http://www.arizonaskywatch.com/charts/our%20charts/index.html
            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987704000222
            http://hubpages.com/politics/Multiple-Official-Sources-Confirm-Chemtrails-Geoengineering-Are-Real-Research-Is-Ongoing

            and an instance of the main method of this geoengineering – stratospheric aerosol injection from jet tankers
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFCS_OdDsJw

            also , this helpful little graph explains what a refutation actually is , since you continue to claim that is what you’ve done when you clearly haven’t , perhaps you don’t actually know how this works….
            http://english102-tamuc-barnes.wikispaces.com/file/view/Argument_Pyramid.jpg/112461215/Argument_Pyramid.jpg

            so far i’ve seen you refute only 1 piece of evidence which was a paper i linked to that was redacted that i used to get you to prove that you are in fact physically capable of making a refutation to an argument

            now whether that was intentional or by accident remains to be seen , but what is obvious is that the rest of the time you’ve been posting nothing but ad-homs to all this evidence i am perpetually presenting so long as they remain proof to my points that you have ignored…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnn…..

          • iamli3

            oh good , finally admitting to the validity of the evidence then since “Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnn…..” isn’t a rebuttal?…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Another fine case of a paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter seeing things that aren’t there. But then, seeing things that aren’t there is of course what conspiracy nuttery is all about.
            You haven’t posted any evidence, so there’s no validity of evidence to admit to. Your obsessive and compulsive repetitiveness is just getting boring.
            And so: Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnn…..

          • iamli3

            “You haven’t posted any evidence,”
            O___________O ……………………………………….

            holy ssssshit i must be fucking crazy if that’s the case……
            hold on let me check…..

            links to scientific reports , industry and government documents , discussion panels of many different experts scientists political figures ect giving testimony about the evidences provided?….

            yup that’s all still there , HO K PHEW for a moment there i thought i might have made a huge mistake , but i haven’t , you’re still just a lying shill that consistently brings a smile to my face c: , cause you just can’t make this shit up if you’re a normal rational thinking person , only a paid shill could come up with things like that to say XD ………

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            More name calling, more denial of the fact that your ‘evidence’ has already been proven false, here and elsewhere on the Internet. Thanks for proving that you are a paid shill for Alex Jones, because no sane, intelligent person could make up that shit you keep posting here.
            BTW, you forgot to include your usual copy-and-paste links to your fake ‘evidence.’ Better not let Alex Jones find out about that, or he might cut your pay for that.

          • iamli3

            >your ‘evidence’ has already been proven false, here

            no , it hasn’t , this is what you have to do to prove something false
            http://english102-tamuc-barnes.wikispaces.com/file/view/Argument_Pyramid.jpg/112461215/Argument_Pyramid.jpg
            you have not done that…..cause you’re a shill…..jeez it’s like i need to keep reminding myself that you’re a shill otherwise i might forget and start taking you seriously and then start having a mental melt down at how retarded everything you say logically is lel…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnn…..

          • iamli3

            hmmmmmmm hey mr shill , i wonder , if you know about this new report that came out a week ago , in which it states

            “Essentially mankind has again caused a massive build up of fossil
            fuel carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and Mother Earth has already
            started to respond with the predicted massive Arctic methane blow out
            (since 2010) which will lead to an Earth engulfing firestorm in 5 to 8
            years. ”

            http://arctic-news.blogspot.ca/2016/05/wildfire-danger-increasing.html

            what say you about that?….

          • iamli3

            ….oh , my reply isn’t here? i was sure i posted it though , did it get erased? or am i just not able to see it on this page? all that time waiting for your reply , oh well , i’ll just try again

            mmmmmm hey mr shill , i wonder if you know about this recent report and what you think about it……..

            “Essentially mankind has again caused a massive build up of fossil
            fuel carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and Mother Earth has already
            started to respond with the predicted massive Arctic methane blow out
            (since 2010) which will lead to an Earth engulfing firestorm in 5 to 8
            years.”

            http://arctic-news.blogspot.ca/2016/05/wildfire-danger-increasing.html

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Note 1: Not relevant to your paranoid, delusional ‘chemtrails’ conspiracy.
            Note 2. See Note 1.

            Interestingly, though, a bit of research has shown that both the claim about that firestorm and it’s author Malcolm Light suffer from major credibility issues.

          • iamli3

            i know it’s not relevant to the previous discussion (even though it factually is) cause im changing the topic , i know you were chosen for the shill job cause you’re slow , but do try to keep up :l ….

            im not interested what you or others personally think about the people involved with writing and publishing those reports , i want to know what you think about the report itself…..

    • and

      Dont really look up often eh ?

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        LOL. First you spent weeks flooding this page with comments filled with hate and paranoid delusion, whilst cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘iamli3’ and a default avatar. Yesterday morning I noticed you hadn’t replied at all, which suggested you had finally realised I was not going to buy your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories.
        But then you created a new account, again cowardly hiding behind the alias ‘and’ this time, and sent out about ten replies. You really must be desperate for attention.

        • and

          Types of paranoia and delusion yet mirrors onto me the identity of his nemesis.
          disregarding the weeks because of psychosis, and snort of laughter as the mirrors appear for the attention.
          Lulz to lame shill , youll catch no flies with that tripe .

          • iamli3

            i don’t know what’s more hilarious to me

            the part where he made all those replies 1 hour before seeing a follow up comment by me explaining how i was waiting for response from him for a comment i had made a few days ago that appeared to have gone missing (but i see now that it is in the reply chain so idk why it wasn’t showing for us before)

            or the part where he thinks it takes a few days to create a new account to post comments with on here XD

            you’ve already seen i’ve been all over the place with this shill in this thread , but at this point im beginning to wonder if this is part of his act or if he is just legitimately psychotic like you say

            like maybe to the point where he even believes everything he’s saying & shilling for himself , and nothing we can say or do here will even get him to entertain the notion that what he’s saying might not be entirely correct…..

            like you saw i repeat linked him hard evidence proving the case , he came up with an excuse to not like the evidence or the people who published it , and that’s it , has yet to refute or acknowledge the various pieces of evidence , a total ideologue

            like it wouldn’t even matter to him if the united states gov just issues a press release saying ‘btw we’re totally engineering the climate all over the world and have been for decades’ , he would throw the same labels on it and pretend that he isn’t some total fucking retard….

            and i know this for a fact cause i have linked him us sennet documents discussing their geoengineering operations and that’s exactly what he did!……

    • Rick Tufts

      Clearly you are an idiot sir. or simply a troll.

      • Jeroen van Baardwijk

        Nope, just intelligent and educated. Which, admittedly, are traits which are completely alien to conspiracy nutters.

  • richardruscoe

    Bee, and Jer should know what the nano sized particles of aluminum, they are being forced to breathe, do to the nerves, or synapse, of our brains. I bet the fluoride, gmo, or vaccinations, don’t worry these guys either. Google, Dr. Blaylock. The evidence that wins in court. But maybe these guys are smarter than all those silly judges. The actual footage of these tanks in planes, or the testimony given by persons of position, endangering themselves, so we might know the truth, will not likely lighten up these two dim bulbs.

    • Jeroen van Baardwijk

      Is fluoride toxic? Like many other chemicals, yes, if the dose is large enough, and even then it depends on how it’s bonded to other elements, but the amounts you are actually exposed to are so low that they don’t pose a threat. And no, I’m not worried about GMO or vaccines either, but are great accomplishments of that stuff your kind hates so much. You know: SCIENCE.

      I’ve also Googled your beloved Dr. Blaylock. The man is a science-denying idiot who exploits the vulnerable by selling them non-working ‘medication.’ The guy shouldn’t be on the Internet, he should be in prison. Or locked up in a mental institution.

      I’ve seen the photos of tanks in planes. Either they show one large tank or a number of smaller ones. I’ve also seen the evidence proving the conspiracy nutters wrong. Those planes with just one large tank turned out to be planes used to fight forest fires. The ones with numerous smaller tanks are test planes, the tanks are there to add weight, because it’s a bit too dangerous to test new planes with a full load of actually living passengers on board.

      I’ve also seen those testimonies given by ‘people of position,’ and I’ve noticed they’re all very good at two things: they’re very good at making claims, and they’re very good at failing to back those claims with solid evidence. That doesn’t make them experts, that makes them attention whores.

      BTW, while I can’t speak for the intelligence of others, this ‘dim bulb’ is in fact smarter than most judges (and most other people), and I have the Mensa membership to prove it. Membership is only open to people whose IQ puts them in the world’s top 2%.

      • iamli3

        so you gonna get your blood tested? because “You know. SCIENCE.”? everything else you’ve stated here are just claims with no sources , aka not science , so let’s see some yeh?….

        • Jeroen van Baardwijk

          No, I’m not going to get my blood tested, because I see no reason why I should waste my time and money trying to disprove your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories. If you want to claim that the chemtrails conspiracy is real, it’s up to you to prove it. And before you start posting your “proof”: no, links to conspiracy nutter websites and YouTube videos by conspiracy nutters do not qualify as “proof”. Evidence is what would get the government convicted in court if someone would sue the government for spraying those alleged ‘chemtrails’ and present said evidence.

          • iamli3

            http://holmestead.ca/chemtrails/soilradar.html
            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987704000222
            http://carnicominstitute.org/wp/
            http://holmestead.ca/chemtrails/soiltest.html
            http://www.rense.com/general79/chemm.htm
            http://www.jonesreport.com/article/01_08/080108_chemtrails.html

            take your pick , i got more , oh wait that’s right you wont cause you’re a shill and your mission statement is denial at all costs , it’s not worth it man , appeal to your sense of reason……..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Your kind will never learn, will you? As always, when asked for evidence, you don’t provide actual evidence, but come up with links to other conspiracy nutter websites. I take it you also have some links to YouTube videos by Alex Jones that you use as ‘proof’?
            I must say though that it’s hilarious to be accused of having no sense of reason by people who themselves have no sense of reason, lack intelligence, and deny science because it doesn’t fit their paranoid delusional theories. For such a sad figure, you’re quite funny.

          • iamli3

            the Mission Statement from just 1 of the sites i linked here

            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            The purpose for which the corporation is organized is to conduct scientific, educational, environmental and health research for the public welfare. This corporation shall also provide educational, scientific, legal, and media support for citizens at national and international levels and within local communities, either individually or collectively, with respect to education, environmental, and health issues that affect the general welfare.

            Carnicom Institute is a 2014 and 2015 voting member of the National Health Freedom Congress. Carnicom Institute is a previous member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The Institute is currently a member of the Society for Science and the Public and the American Chemical Society.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            the only conspiracy nut-job here is you mr shity shill , trying to claim that anything you’re being paid to shill against is a conspiracy theory , if yourself was cloned and saw what you’re trying to argue here your clone would say ‘fuck off mate’ for how unsane you’re acting , all for a little bit of money , tell me do you feel good when you do this? be honest now…if you’re still capable of being honest with yourself that is…if not oh wow , im actually taking pity on you now……..

          • tom

            Again Jeroen, Please look up and ask yourself what is it that I see? Chemtrail or contrail. Both appear to be taking away the natural beauty of clear blue skies. If they are contrails so be it. But they are still taking away from people, by the millions, the right to have blue skies which are natural to the earth and give us a sense of happiness. The dark blue skies are becoming a thing of the past here in southern Oregon. It always ends up being ugly sick gray. Do you feel it is right for something of that magnitude to be taken away from people? I watch this happen almost daily now no matter what time of year. I saddens me that this is the new normal. It also saddens me that humans do this to each other and then fight about the right to do it for profit or maybe even worse. Please think about others. We are not imagining this as it is clearly visible and is taking away quality of life. I live here as do thousands of people because of it’s environment or at least what it used to be. The sky does not belong to commercial aircraft or any other entity that leaves this in the sky. It is getting worse all the time. Have a heart! Entire days on a regular basis look like this sick gray and it is definitely from aircraft as can be visually observed. That alone is enough for this whole thing to be an alarming issue.

          • Mollie Norris

            Don’t confuse evil with ignorance.

          • iamli3

            who says ignorance isn’t evil? but yes valid point….

          • Renee LaChapelle

            I don’t suppose, Jeroen that you believe in The Climate Change Scheme as well. You sound like the type to go along to get along with a government so corrupt we are practically Communist China. What of all the doctors and scientists suddenly dropping dead because they are working on the cures for cancer? I suppose the gov’t has nothing to do with that either. I suppose they didn’t have Justice Scalia removed because he stood in the way of New World Order Agenda 21. I suppose Obamatrade, TPP is truly “Free” Trade and won’t murder our sovereignty. I suppose importing the known enemy, Islamist is for the good of the people. I suppose trying to disarm responsible gun owners so we cannot fight the tyranny is a good thing. And, I suppose the country is not bankrupted living on printed money and borrowed time. Like stated, I don’t have proof of Chemtrails and their harmful effects but I DON’T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT AND NOR SHOULD YOU.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Yaaaaawn… More debunked-rather-than-proven conspiracy nutter claims, with a heap of Islamophobia on top of it.
            FYI: I don’t get along with the government at all. In fact, they hate me because as a journalist, I have the habit of posting their own documents and case files, pointing out the flaws and holes in them, and then asking to explain that. That’s why your kind (paranoid, delusional, conspiracy nutters) hate me as well: because I keep pointing out all the flaws in your reasoning, and then asking you to explain them.

          • iamli3

            sooo how goes the refuting of the lab tests i linked you? oooh that’s right i forgot you’re a shill and shills only disinform they don’t engage in constructive conversation…..

          • iamli3

            who knows what the person behind that particular account actually believes in (aside from destroying humanity that is) , but you must be aware that anything they would tell you here is to be disregarded because they are paid shills who’s sole objective is to disinform others to keep them from finding out certain truths….
            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/the-15-rules-of-internet-disinformation.html

          • Troll Hunter

            Conspiracy facts are not “theories” no matter how much your paycheck is. You straight FBI or you working for one of the contracted web security firms?

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            A fact is a fact when it’s proven with hard, irrefutible evidence. Conspiracies aren’t backed by any such evidence, therefore conspiracy theories are just that: theories—not facts. No matter how much Alex Jones pays you to be his shill, theories only become facts when they’ve been proven.

            So, out of sheer curiosity, exactly how much does Alex Jones pay you every month to parrot him?

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            http://www.snopes.com/netherlands-bans-united-states/
            For those who may be unaware. Jerry bear here likes to write fiction and has a sordid history of trouble making online. His credibility is questionable as is his journalistic capability. Where was your proof on the posted article? Propaganda spews from you like hypocrisy from a politician.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oh my gosh, this is hilarious! I have my integrity questioned by a conspiracy nutter! Yes, a conspiracy nutter, the type of person who will first post insane conspiracy theories without providing any evidence, when asked for said evidence will link to other articles making the same unsubstantiated claims and calling it ‘proof’ (because apparently, unproven conspiracy theories can become proven facts just by repeating them over and over again), usually demanding that other people proof them wrong, and then eventually turning to personal attacks when they find themselves cornered by science and logic.

            And if that’s not bad enough, they’re such intelligent, trustworthy people that they almost always (as is the case here) hide behind an alias and some generic avatar, rather than putting up their real name and a their own portrait.

            As for my ‘history of trouble making online,’ well, if you consider asking critical questions and using science and logic to ‘trouble making’ then yes, I’m a trouble maker. More specifically, I cause trouble for paranoid, delusional people who post conspiracy theories and fail to prove them.

            You mention I’m a fiction author, and apparently you believe that’s a bad thing (quite surprising, actually, since you conspiracy nutters don’t do anything else than writing fictional stories). But you know why me being a fiction author is actually a good thing? Because when you bring up a specific topic in a story, you’ll have to deal with several characters who all have their own views and opinions, which means that in order to properly write that part of the story, you have to examine the various viewpoints. That’s why your kind will never become fiction authors (outside your pet conspiracy theories): because your black-and-white worldview gets in the way.

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            Hit a nerve there butter cup. Good. You have nothing.

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            Hit a nerve with you there jerry bear. Poor little guy! LOL.

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Nope, not hitting a nerve, just again pointing out all the flaws in your ‘reasoning.’ So, tell me, why are you hiding behind an alias and a photo of the sky? What are you so afraid of, that you don’t dare to reveal your name and portrait? Makes me wonder what else you’re hiding…

          • RealeyesRealizeReallies

            oh you got me… I’m an eight legged sasquatch from Uranus! lol.

          • iamli3

            his level of deception tactics are to low for fbi , he’s clearly a lackey for a smaller pr firm….

          • Mollie Norris

            Criminal disinfo agents who support genocidal practices that violate the Nuremberg Treaty don’t acknowledge facts.

          • iamli3

            but you and other decent humans do , so that’s why i chose to respond to these shilling comments….

  • Valchrist

    My grandma told me about a chemical test in her town when she was a kid. I managed to find a newspaper article re-print describing the incident.

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19800514&id=KXwxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=baQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=954,898475&hl=en

    As a result, I’ve done research in to the subject, and found everything from Veteran Affairs payments, to state-funded follow-up studies on the released pathogens, which, according to the report spread worldwide, mutated and became potentially harmful to humans.

    Here’s what I’ve compiled.

    The first thing that is important to say, is that chem-trails and con-trails are not the same thing. Con-trails are made by jet-turbines. Now that that’s out of the way…

    The events:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_LAC

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_112

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAD

    The most direct evidence of historic chemtrails is how the US Veteran Affairs, and the Canadian Department of National Defence have historical records of similar projects.

    http://data2.archives.ca/e/e443/e011063033.pdf

    The 85 year old US Department of Veteran Affairs offers benefits for one of it’s chemtrail programs.

    http://www.benefits.va.gov/COMPENSATION/claims-postservice-exposures-project_112_shad.asp

    http://data2.archives.ca/e/e443/e011063033.pdf

    It also happened in the UK. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/nov/02/freedomofinformation.politics

    Now that they have genetic decoding and advanced satellite imaging, it only makes sense to hold new operations, especially after 9/11. Bush made a big deal about terrorists using food-borne and water-borne disease vectors. Why not airborne? They would at least consider airborne testing again, as they had in the past.

    Just a conspiracy people say… Despite massive amounts of historical evidence.

    A conspiracy that has spread a bacterium which has literally infected the entire world, and unexpectedly mutated from

    a benign form to one which causes illness.

    http://iom.nationalacademies.org/~/media/Files/Report%20Files/2007/Long-Term-Health-Effects-of-Participation-in-Project-SHAD-Shipboard-Hazard-and-Defense/BACILLUSGLOBIGII.pdf

    Quote: Submitted to Dr. William Page, Program Officer, Advisory Panel for the Study of Long-term Health Effects of Participation in Project SHAD (Shipboard Hazard and Defense), Institute of Medicine, the National Academies.

    This report is subject to the copyright and reproduction arrangements defined in Contract No. IOM-2794-04-001 of the National Academies.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/15/us/secret-army-chemical-tests-did-not-harm-health-report-says.html

    (The claim of not doing harm is contradicted by above medical report)

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/weapon-secret-testing/

    The newspapers of the day wrote about it

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19800514&id=KXwxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=baQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=954,898475&hl=en

    Some respected national bodies have suggested an atmospheric aerosol spray in the last few years, and has been discussed in American political circles early in the George Bush era as a method to counter global warming. (I can’t actually find evidence, of American politicians speaking anything of the sort, but saw it on the news 12 years ago…)

    https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/publications/2009/geoengineering-climate/

    I only dug for this information because of my grandmother’s first hand account from when she was a child in a Canadian city which was a testing ground. (once again) https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19800514&id=KXwxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=baQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=954,898475&hl=en

    • shutit

      Notice how none of the people who deny will say anything to you, they see you actually produce evidence so they’ll only vaguely insult you at the most, saying something like “I know science unlike you” without disproving you in any way, keep it up

      What no one wants to deny it when one person shows proof? where are all the sheeple?

    • Troll Hunter

      It’s old news that the FBI has an entire division of Internet propaganda posters. Always arguing on the side of corrupt out of control government. Attacking Alex jones in a debate about toxic substances in our air water and food, is an obvious FBI or CIA desperate attempt to dissuade any “nutters” We ignore their comments entirely rather than argue anymore. All of it is becoming public knowledge. SHTF soon.

  • Davoud Tohidy

    URGENT Message:The evidence within my lawsuit http://www.geoengineeringlawsuit.ca has definitely made a big impact in prevention of a possible false flag nuclear attack on US or Canadian soil and a worldwide false flag Ebola pandemic.

    There is a high possibility that some criminals are trying to destroy the evidence within my lawsuit. Then they can have the opportunity for a false flag nuclear attack on US soil or even Canadian soil, a false flag Ebola or other global pandemic and so on. Please note that the http://www.geoengineeringlawsuit.ca lawsuit is the HISTORICAL lawsuit in Canada NOT any other lawsuit!

    I need you Ottawans / Canadians to please URGENTLY file a request under the access to information act for the details of my lawsuit and get the documents and release it to the public ASAP. The more people request the details and release it to the public the less is the chance of any false flag disaster! The reason I cannot release more information than what I have already released on my website is that I am not sure what information I can release without being penalized by law.

    Print the following details about “geoengineeringlawsuit dot ca” lawsuit and take it along with the application of the information request to the Ontario Court of Justice at the address below.
    http://www.geoengineeringlawsuit.ca/pdfs/Geoengineeringlawsuitdotca.pdf

    How to make a Freedom of Information request
    https://www.ontario.ca/page/how-make-freedom-information-request

    I filed a criminal lawsuit via private prosecution in 2014 in regards to Chemtrails, Geoengineering, global warming fraud, HAARP, animal die offs, a possible global false flag Ebola outbreak, A possible false flag nuclear attack on US or even may be Canadian soil, a plot for creating a one world government (NWO), depopulation agenda via chemtrails, geoengineering, Aspartame, vaccines and GMO with the “Ontario Court of Justice” (CRIMINAL) in Ottawa file#: 14-13157 (14 in the file number refers to the year 2014) at Ottawa courthouse on 161 Elgin Street, Ontario. See the googlemap below (when you enter the court, pass the security and turn right. When you look at the front there is an intake office at the corner and another one to its left which is The Ontario Court of Justice intake office.

    https://www.google.ca/maps/place/161+Elgin+St,+Ottawa,+ON+K2P/@45.4207629,-75.6937323,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x4cce05aa1424b90b:0x3b9d3bc2874046f1

    I filed an appeal (Mandamus Application) from the order of the Justice of the peace (Ontario Court of Justice / Justices of the peaces office) at the Superior Court of Justice (CRIMINAL) which is located on the 4th or 5th floor of the above mentioned building on September 9, 2014. First Trial at the superior court (CRIMINAL) in Ottawa, ON was on Sep 15, 2014 and second one in Ottawa, ON was on Nov 10, 2014 and my lawsuit was dismissed.
    Although this lawsuit was dismissed however it has made a big impact in prevention of any global disaster!

    • Jeroen van Baardwijk

      ROTFLMAO. You really expect people to believe that your conspiracy website prevented a nuclear attack and an ebola pandemic? Alex Jones must love you for that. Hey, if you’re lucky he’ll even increase your pay for being his shill.

  • Lorraine Bergman

    Coal fly ash and “other contaminants? I was not aware that our aircraft used coal fired burners to fly, hmmmm, must be a bitch to shovel coal in at that altitude. Wonder what the “other contaminants” were, maybe poop and pee particulates…..this site is most attractive to those who believe that the guvment is out to kill them all, slowly, inexplicably, along with all the guvment’s relatives and friends who can’t afford to save themselves. But it is VERY frightening how many unpublished, uneducated nutbars there are out there, and how easy the internet has made it for them to put out this type of brain pollution.

    • Troll Hunter

      Aluminum sulfate is about the deadliest. Messing up the soil and food supply.

  • Julie Rafuse

    This is awesome

  • Mark Meyers
  • Mark Meyers
  • http://curmudgeonreport.com/ bGreenInnes

    Lawsuit looks quite premature – no actual evidence of claims is given in the link. Is there specific evidence in background documents? None were mentioned in submissions. I doubt that general statements about fly ash being a useful geoengineering tool would constitute admissible evidence that such has actually occurred over some specific location in Canada on specific date(s), notwithstanding possible observations of unusual flight patterns.

    The problem with going ahead is that the court will use this as strong reason to disallow future attempts, especially by threatening to award costs to the defendants. You won’t believe how much bureaucracies can spend in legal fees very very quickly. To avoid such a chilling effect, I strongly suggest dropping the case until such time as verifiable evidence is amassed.

    I base my comments on a defeat suffered by a fluoridation activist in Hamilton a few years ago and comments made by a very annoyed judge.

    • iamli3

      we have many lab tests proving that this stuff is coming down in our rain , what more solid evidence could possibly be required?
      and what link are you talking about in the post exactly? i only see it link to the geowatch site , not to any specific evidence…..

  • Will Malven

    LOL!!! Who needs science when you have a good conspiracy to believe in.

  • http://bitterbrainiac.blogspot.com/ cheetah88

    i hope the actual lawsuit is spelled better and uses punctuation properly, or the judge will never take it seriously.

  • iamli3

    wait is shilling still happening in this post too? come on guys i thought i already took care of all that for you a couple weeks ago , go back and read those comment and stop letting the shills bury it in newer repeat shilling comments………

  • jackie
  • jackie
  • Tim

    Finally!!! People are waking up!

  • http://sparkster.hubpages.com/ Marc Hubs

    There are many publicly available military documents which show that they have been using weather modification techniques since at least the 1960’s and yes, some of those documents confirm that they have used chemtrails (although they don’t use the term chemtrails to describe them) so yes, chemtrails do exist.

  • UncleB

    Aluminum hydroxide? Causes Alzheimer’s? We have an alzheimers epidemic in Canada. We also have a Autistic epidemic and it is being forcefully suppressed by U.S. News agencies? Dumbing Down of Americans is quite apparent, even now the Lead Poisoning fo Flint Michigan U.S.A. now almost fully suppressed? Children there damaged for life, retarded, suffer learning and temperament disabilities for life, and no compensation? cannot even sue for supporting compensation? Is this the Evil Empire? Nobody convicted after these years ? Nobody coupable ? Canadian Water testing Systems would have detected and prevented this immediately, before damage was done? Socialist Democracies like Canada are a much safer place to live.

  • om·i·nous

    I can hear them now….”What Chemtrails?” it’s a conspiracy.

  • vic button

    I suppose it helps to also understand the complete manipulation of the population in other ways as well and our complete brainwashing from birth.

  • JLS

    Any proof this lawsuit exits? I have to laugh, in the 14 years I have heard all about chemtrails, and yet no documented proof of any all all falling from the sky, not one single scientist. not one lap expert, not one person taking and recording air samples.

    Scientists are on board with climate change, they are in it for the money so may skeptics say, yet not one will hang his hat on chemtrails, have you ever wondered why?

    Show us a copy of these court documents, or did it disappear like the evidence of chemtrails?

    • iamli3

      HOLY LUNA 14 YEARS?!? man you must be the worst human ever at being an informed individual then! cause it literally only takes me 2 seconds to find this stuff….
      https://chemtrailsplanet.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/evidence-of-coal-fly-ash-toxic-chemical-geoengineering-in-the-troposphere-consequences-for-public-health.pdf
      http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/water-tests/

    • Jeroen van Baardwijk

      LOL. Standard conspiracy nutter tactic again: post links to alleged ‘evidence’ in comment to person #1, get alleged ‘evidence’ proven false by person #1, post same links to alleged ‘evidence’ in comment to person #2. Rinse and repeat. He/she tried it with me as well.

      I looked at that page about lab tests. Observation #1: It’s posted on a conspiracy nutter website. Observation #2 is a quote from that page: ‘A second series of lab tests has now confirmed high levels of barium and aluminum in snow Dickie thinks fell through chemtrails. So far, he says, there is no other explanation for the high-levels of each chemical compound in city soils.’ In other words, the guy admits he doesn’t KNOW the cause, he only has a theory.

      About the ‘Coal Fly Ash’ paper: Herndon is a known conspiracy nutter, and that paper has been debunked and retracted because of the numerous flaws in it.

      But yeah, I can understand people like the cowardly-anonymous ‘iamli3’ found ‘this stuff’ in just two seconds: they’re just two links of that long list of links conspiracy nutters have and use every time they run into someone who sees through their paranoid, delusional, conspiracy fantasies.

      • iamli3

        ouch , a little butt hurt that i tricked you with that coal fly ash paper eh?….

        at least you were nice enough to admit this time that those are indeed just 2 links of the mountains of credible hard data there is that proves the ongoing global geoengineering experiments , like the many others i linked to you that you have still yet to refute……

        • Jeroen van Baardwijk

          The only proof provided by those links you keep posting (and repeating) is that you’re a paranoid, delusional conspiracy nutter. It’s amazing, really, how you consistently ignore the fact that every single bit of ‘evidence’ you’ve provided got shot down.

          • iamli3

            mmm i’ll actually chalk this comment up to a miss in communication

            take another look , i responded to your reply in our reply chain where i gave those links the day before , your reply did nothing to ‘shot down’ the actual evidence as i explain in the full reply…..

  • Gary Olds
    • Jeroen van Baardwijk

      Another fine case of a conspiracy nutter believing that videos on an other conspiracy nutter website qualify as ‘proof’ of their petty theories. Does your kind seriously believe that fiction will become fact if you just repeat it often enough? Or do just keep repeating it because Alex Jones keeps paying you to repeat it?

      • Gary Olds

        It is before the US congress blood knob, You and your israeli mates can go now ,No conspiracy theory here, JUST THE FACTS hahahahahahah….BBBBLLLOOODDDDDD KKKNNNNNOOOOOBBB.! Go tell ya talmudic mates their time is coming.

      • iamli3

        wow you must really be desperate for your shill paycheck if you’re still trying to shill on here even after already being demonstrably proven wrong by myself and everyone else is now calling you out for the shill you are…..

        also hey what’s the matter? i was a little disappointed when i didn’t see a new re from you this morning , did the brain damage from the vaccines fully get to you now?…..

        • Jeroen van Baardwijk

          LOL. Science-oriented, fact-oriented, evidence-oriented, highly developed analytical skills, IQ of 132, formal education in both science and law. Yeah, those vaccine shots I got as a kid really caused some serious brain damage. 🙂

          • iamli3

            im aghast at how you can unironically make these claims about yourself given the history of your conversations on this single thread alone….

            you are so obviously provably not everything you just claimed to be here , you’re literally just throwing any amount of language you can to gain some headway in public perception here

            im finding this prime personal example of dealing with the workings of a shill to be so very fascinating , every strategy you come up with and tactic you use in response to the environment here is also teaching me how your breed operates so i can better detect and handle future encounters , of which there will be many im sure as the power structure desperately tried to hold on to it’s position of power as the biosphere continues to free all into total collapse……..

            oh and , so you’re admitting finally that vaccines cause autism then yes?….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Yes, my kind (the intelligent, educated part of the population) do have a standard way of operating. We read your silly conspiracy theories, we have a good laugh about them, then we ask you to prove your claims, then we laugh even more as you work down your standard list of links to alleged ‘proof’ and we shoot holes in every single one of them, then we laugh even more when you start hurling insults because you can’t handle the truth. And after that we end up ROTFLOAO when you move on to the next person and everything starts all over again.

            And no, I’m not admitting that vaccines cause autism, as numerous scientific research projects into the matter (involving over 10 million children in total) have consistently not found any link between the two.

          • iamli3

            LLLALAWWWLWLWAWLAWL YOU’RE REALLY GONNA RE-TRY FOR THIS AFTER I ALREADY PROVED IT TO YOU???

            man shills must get off to having a bad time , sick , kinda like me 😀

            https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

            admission from the vaccine corporation themselves that the vaccines cause autism , cut and dry , no bullshit , no hiding it , no refuting it…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            ROTFLMAO. Typical conspiracy nutter behaviour: they post alleged ‘proof,’ said ‘proof’ gets shown false, and then they post the same ‘proof’ again. And you obviously still haven’t learned the difference between causation and correlation.
            BTW, since you didn’t provide the answer the previous time I asked: where in that 1000+ page document does it say that vaccines cause autism? The mere mention of the word ‘autism’ doesn’t qualify as proof of anything.

          • iamli3

            i already told you , but it appears the vaccines damaged your brain to heavily for you to remember or even understand , so i guess i’ll have to spell out each individual word slowly so the retarded man child shill can understand it like the rest of us functional human beings can….

            this is a document from gsk , a vaccine company , it’s a report on their safety tests for some of their vaccines , the following over 1,000 pages of tables are listing all the different adverse effects the children they injected these toxins with contracted as a result of that , among the numerous degenerative conditions listed , autism is reported several times in it

            do you understand now? you fÜcking retard?…..

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Insult upon insult upon insult, because you can’t handle it when people don’t agree with your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories. Insult upon insult upon insult, because you can’t handle it when people ask critical questions, rather than become the docile sheep you conspiracy nutters want us to become. It’s obvious who the retard is here. Come back once you’ve learned the art of civilised discussion.
            BTW, you still haven’t answered my question where in that document in can find the conclusion ‘vaccines cause autism.’ I wonder why… (although I suspect it has something to do with you not having read the document yourself but just doing the copy-and-paste job Alex Jones is paying you to do, and your overwhelming lack of intelligence making it impossible for you to understand the contents of said document; heck, you can’t even understand a simple question).

          • iamli3

            the part where they were injected with vaccines and developed autism as a result , as the report clearly shows happened many times , holy shit i have to bring some friends to laugh at this level of brain damage im dealing with here , how are you even able to use that computer?……or you could just be shilling some more , that’s always a possibility too….

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            Glad to see you’re finally realising you’re suffering from brain damage. Now get professional help.

          • iamli3

            oh nice , you stopped talking about the evidence that proves you wrong ,
            effectively admitting to the validity of it since you have done nothing to refute it beyond simply attempting to pretend you don’t understand how it proves your shilling narrative to be the total bs (bad science) it is

            so for convenience sake i’ll just repost some of the irrefutable hard evidence you tried to dismiss but can’t disprove

            that vaccines cause autism
            https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

            and that there’s a global contamination from the toxic fallout of the ongoing global geoengineering experiments
            http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/108/12/2173.pdf
            http://www.arizonaskywatch.com/charts/our%20charts/index.html
            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987704000222
            http://hubpages.com/politics/Multiple-Official-Sources-Confirm-Chemtrails-Geoengineering-Are-Real-Research-Is-Ongoing

            and an instance of the main method of this geoengineering – stratospheric aerosol injection from jet tankers
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFCS_OdDsJw

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            No, I stopped because there’s no point in continuing with it. Your only contribution has been your entertainment value; watching conspiracy nutters desperately trying to save face when they’ve been exposed as paranoid, delusional idiots and paid shills for Alex Jones is quite amusing.
            However, that entertainment value has been reduced to zero since you entered your perpetual cycle of [provide links to alleged evidence for your paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories] –> [have alleged evidence exposed as fake evidence, proving you wrong] –> [hurl insults and deny you’ve been proven wrong] –> [again provide same links to alleged evidence] –> repeat ad infinitum.
            Initially your paranoia and desperation were quite entertaining, but by now you’ve become just plain boring. And unlike you, I actually have a life; unlike you, I’m not spending every waking minute of my life serving as a paid shill for Alex Jones.
            BTW: contrary to what you believe, your conspiracy fiction doesn’t magically become proven fact if you just keep posting your fake ‘evidence’ over and over again. The sky is blue, and no matter how often you repeat ‘the sky is purple,’ it will still be blue and not magically turn purple.

          • iamli3

            hah , funny you should try that Freudian slip with sky is blue remark there , since in many areas in the world the sky is now mostly a silver haze due to what’s coming out of the backs of these jet tankers , even that much you admit yourself , so you’re self contradictions and blatant lies to save face for your shilling narrative here are only serving to obliterate it even more….

            wrong again and always wrong that nothing , i repeat (for those who are slow) , nothing , you have said or linked to here has disproved any of those pieces of irrefutable evidence i’ve linked to there , and anyone can read the comment history on this thread to verify that for themselves…..

            you can keep declaring your shill narrative to being the one true path or whatever , but the evidence speaks for itself , in fact here let me keep linking these pieces of irrefutable evidence to see how many times you’ll keep trying to ignore them which will expose your shilling here all the more 😀

            “that vaccines cause autism
            https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

            and that there’s a global contamination from the toxic fallout of the ongoing global geoengineering experiments
            http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/108/12/2173.pdf
            http://www.arizonaskywatch.com/charts/our%20charts/index.html
            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987704000222
            http://hubpages.com/politics/Multiple-Official-Sources-Confirm-Chemtrails-Geoengineering-Are-Real-Research-Is-Ongoing

            and an instance of the main method of this geoengineering – stratospheric aerosol injection from jet tankers
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFCS_OdDsJw

          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            More insults, same already debunked fake ‘proof.’ Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnn….

          • iamli3

            lol “more insults”? where do you see any insults in my previous comment?

            and yes thank you please keep responding to evidence and declaring it to being already debunked when it has not , i wouldn’t be able to expose your shilling psychological operation here without you doing that….

            “that vaccines cause autism
            https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

            and that there’s a global contamination from the toxic fallout of the ongoing global geoengineering experiments
            http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/108/12/2173.pdf
            http://www.arizonaskywatch.com/charts/our%20charts/index.html
            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987704000222
            http://hubpages.com/politics/Multiple-Official-Sources-Confirm-Chemtrails-Geoengineering-Are-Real-Research-Is-Ongoing

            and an instance of the main method of this geoengineering – stratospheric aerosol injection from jet tankers
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFCS_OdDsJw

  • E Mitchell

    As blind and brainwashed and/or just busy working for his master, the dark lord/government/israel. as Jeroen van Baardwijk is, he is right about how it will end. This is possibly another controlled opposition move to get us to back off. Give up. Who knows? Not me. I do know this though this lawsuit is garbage. First it must be proven that the chemtrails are real. Of course they are but because it is a conspiracy it is being denied. They think we are all stupid and let’s face facts here we have been buying their bullshit for centuries. They are 100 steps ahead. Anyway…..What the lawsuit should be is demanding a real investigation, independent research and data to find out what they are and what is in them. That is why I think this lawsuit is for their purpose of us letting it go. “See, we tried. Nothing we can do now”. This suit is totally ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain would realize that you cannot prove serious injury/health issues without PROOF! This lawsuit is going to happen but it is fake. Just a script. Like everything else. PS- All you Alex Jones watchers…..might want to re-think that one. He is bought and paid for. Shaking my head. Dig deeper. Much much deeper.

    • iamli3

      wrong , all the evidence to prove the things you talk about here are already known and publicly available , i’ve even linked some of it in this thread….

      • E Mitchell

        You do not understand what I am saying and that is okay. I KNOW there is evidence. Obviously. That was not my point. Take care iamli3.

        • iamli3

          well then what were you saying? cause this

          “First it must be proven that the chemtrails are real. Of course they are but because it is a conspiracy it is being denied”

          seems pretty straight forward to me , it’s denied until the evidence is presented in a court of law where it can’t be denied so long as the game is played right…..

          • E Mitchell

            I am sorry sir/madam but I cannot teach you evidence law here. Again take care. Nice to see people with eyes open. Kudos.

          • iamli3

            you don’t have to , wiki explained to me what that meant in 5 seconds

            “The law of evidence
            encompasses the rules and legal principles that govern the proof of
            facts in a legal proceeding. These rules determine what evidence must or
            must not be considered by the trier of fact
            in reaching its decision and, sometimes, the weight that may be given
            to that evidence. The law of evidence is also concerned with the quantum
            (amount), quality, and type of proof needed to prevail in litigation.”

            which again , i would say there is mountains of all different kinds of evidence that can be accepted under this criteria , so what’s the problem you’re seeing here?….

          • E Mitchell

            Ohey ehll kid. Wiki…..today’s self deluded genius go to guide. Don’t know it? Google it and then regurgitate your 5 seconds of “knowledge”. Shaking my head. Go to law school and we can debate your wisdom. Sheesh. This is my last reply. I wish you love and truth.

          • iamli3

            for crying out loud man we’re not trying to discern the secrets of the universe here , we’re having an internet discussion about geoengineering that you stated you had a problem with that i requested clarification for , but fine whatever….

  • Katheryn Kerr

    Just wanted to post a top documentary on this issue at hand. It may have already been posted. Its called What in The World Are They Spraying
    YouTube link
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA

    • Jeroen van Baardwijk

      Unsurprisingly, this one has been debunked as well. It’s amazing, really, how conspiracy nutters accuse the government, the scientific community and pretty much everyone else of spreading false information, yet at the same time do exactly what they accuse others of doing.

      Video debunked: http://contrailscience.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying/

      • iamli3

        your crazy run by a self proclaimed non-scientist/meteorologist conspiracy nutter blog there only references itself and any external references it uses are dead , unsurprisingly , the mentally handicapped shill is full of shit yet again lol….

        • Jeroen van Baardwijk

          If you found that the external links on that page don’t work, you may want to check your Internet connection and your browser settings. I checked, the links work just fine.

          • iamli3
          • Jeroen van Baardwijk

            That link doesn’t even appear in the article. Then again, you also see conspiracies where there are none, so I guess it’s just a small step from there to start seeing hyperlinks that aren’t there. Quite funny, BTW, to see conspiracy nutters accusing debunkers of ‘not linking to any science data’ when they themselves don’t provide scientific data to back their claims.

          • iamli3

            holy luna you are legitimately retarded aren’t you? like functionally not able to understand patterns of thought on the same level normal humans are able to eh?…

            that link was a source link on this page of the blog

            http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/

            which was used as a source link for the blog you linked to
            http://contrailscience.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying/

            meaning there’s no source at all for the propaganda in that blog…..

            kind of why i said
            “your run by a self proclaimed non-scientist/meteorologist crazy
            conspiracy nutter blog there only references itself and any external
            references it uses are dead , unsurprisingly , the mentally handicapped
            shill is full of shit yet again lol….”

          • iamli3

            i’ve also linked you the full documents cause you were to stupid to find them yourself when i linked to directly to it , but you have yet to respond to that comment , i wonder why hmmmmmmm :l …………..

      • iamli3

        oh lel , the pilot that speaks first in this panel has more experience and credibility than the other pilot’s blog you link to there
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOEJTzo1Cnk

        so not only does your link to this blog clearly not refute anything , but now i’ve actually provided the testimony which clearly refutes the blog you link to hahaha…..

    • iamli3

      this was not already posted on here but thanks for doing so , i’ve gotten most of my info about geoengineering from geowatch though so i never felt the need to watch any of these other docs that are covering the same thing just maybe not as well

      so i wonder to ask what you think is the best presentation there is that deals with this topic? i know of 1 or 2 presentations by dane wigington that cover most of the important stuff , you know of any better presentations/documentaries?….

  • Jeroen van Baardwijk

    Let me know when you’ve learned the difference between climate control and the alleged-but-still-unproven controlling/exterminating the population through deliberate (as well a expensive and inefficient) spraying of ‘chemtrails.’

  • Iak Leachim

    Well, well, well . . . the arguments are still a-raging . . . ‘in an age of lies, the truth appears radical’, I think we all know that one and really there is only one answer and that is to walk around the rocks. Rock climbing may be fun for some but for most of us it’s a pain in the posterior, so . . . as Buddha would have said – be like water, and find your way around the rocks – for water has always been stronger. Mr.Jeroen van Baardwijk appears to be one of those ‘rocks’ so treat him with some kindness and a certain respect because people are allowed to disagree with each other. Mud-slinging on the other hand may be all you want to do here, but it’s just, a bit silly and a bit too infantile for the early 21st century, don’t you think?

    Don’t worry about judges, or other so-called ‘officials’. They’re just a little stupid and slow on the uptake.(see my definition of ‘stupid’ below). One could feel sorry for them. Be mindful who you talk to and persuade gently or at least introduce people to the ideas of things. Don’t hit them over the head. It’s not very inspiring. Be inspiring and get them to do ‘the work’; that is, tickle their curiosity and provide minimal info so that they may begin to look. Remember, nobody is ‘bad’ . . . just misguided (or: stupid, in the sense of being ignorant to certain accessible facts), and uptight (afraid to explore because it may change their lives for something less certain). Lastly,… there are ‘The Socio-Psychopaths’, and they definitely deserve more of our attention, but without kindness, you cannot achieve the change or understanding you want them to become aware of. Frankly, none of them have the power you are all giving to them. As for Mr Jones: well he’s one of a kind, speaking the truth as he sees it, but we would do well not to imitate his style because only Alex can present things in this way. The rest of us just come across lame. Find your own way to change the minds of those you consider ignorant, foolish, misguided. Write very long blogs . . . spread the word. Aim for the positive presentation of what you know and do not counter or engage in vitriol, online or anywhere else. Speak openly, frankly and honestly to all who would listen and don’t worry about those who wish to denigrate your opinion or otherwise attempt to put you down. Don’t play the put-down game because the subject gets lost and it’s all so pointless. Stick to the facts you come across. As far as Chemtrails go: show them the photos. Show them the unmarked white planes, get the info across, but above all: ignore the rocks because they will hurt your head and only serve as a distraction . . .

    I have observed in the UK how they vary the patterns, because they know we know. There used be a lot of grid-like features. Now, I call them ‘Kisses-in-the-sky’, they randomly cross each other, still in a kind of ‘planned way’, and you can see several at once of you look. I’ve also noticed that flying alongside a contrail has become a favourite, just to obfuscate the issue. People don’t look, so they don’t see. Then there is the random ‘switching off and on’ trick, so that from out of a cloud let’s say, a plane emerges very high, always very high up, and then begins the run across the sky. a little while later it will literally switch off the trail. These are observable events if you choose to be very careful in your observations. The distinction between con and chem is being fudged to fool us, I’m quite sure of this. On other occasions they will just revert to full-blown trailing, usually very early on a clear Sunday morning. Always a Sunday. Why? Well it’s obvious isn’t it? No prizes for the right answer.

    • iamli3

      oh yeah , i know about all the different tactics of psychological manipulation and subversion , if i really wanted to i could convince someone of anything , im not an asshole or a liar however , so i give people the facts straight and call out bs (bad science) when i see it….

      im gonna guess cause people are generally more free on sundays to be able to do things like look up at the sky?….

  • amable

    Sad to see the monologe comments developed affter this well founded and formed inform of the state of things regarding the matter of the aerial warfare pursuited towards life on planet earth, may peace prevail on gaia! Thanks

  • sammy

    “Jeroen van Baardwijk” is clearly a paid shill. How does he find the time to sit at home all day replying to every comment with his vitriol and determination to insult all truthers? Oh thats right, becuase that’s what he’s PAID to do…

  • Pissemeoff

    Jeroen You fool! You are a paid pee on a puppet a complete and utter MORON who has sold himself out for a fucking dollar! You are the epitome of ignorance. So Shut your fat trap and go breathe your chem trails and hope and pray you get Cancer and the bone crushing one. Remember this conversation on your death bed when you yelp in pain!.. I hate ignorant ass wipes and you fit the bill.

  • cara mia

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